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China Censoring Flickr

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the you-get-no-flicks dept.

Censorship 218

An anonymous reader writes "It would appear that the Chinese government is currently censoring all photos on the site Flickr. A notice has been posted in a Flickr help forum about this, but the service currently doesn't have a fix for this. It would appear that China has turned on their Golden Shield Project to censor the site. 'Jain Hua Li, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, said he hadn't heard of Flickr until told about it in a conversation with a Chronicle reporter, and then suggested that the blocking may be because Chinese authorities are trying to protect children from racy images. Lucie Morillon, the U.S. representative for Reporters Without Borders, a French group that promotes free expression, said that the Beijing government often censors Web sites under the guise of protecting children or national security. She called the blocking of Flickr "one more blow against the free flow of information online by Chinese authorities" and added that it is particularly lamentable in light of promises by China to loosen restrictions before the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.' Thomas Hawk has a well-considered opinion to offer on this issue."

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Come on China, (4, Funny)

Apple Acolyte (517892) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453181)

Stop giving dictatorial US law and policy makers new ideas!

Re:Come on China, (1, Insightful)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453229)

Do you really believe that our leaders have not thought of this already?

Re:Come on China, (4, Insightful)

Vicissidude (878310) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453551)

Not only have US leaders thought of this, but they've already tried putting it into practice. Does no one remember the Communications Decency Act [wikipedia.org] which passed into law and was eventually shot down by the Supreme Court? Every couple of years there's something new that they want to ban from adults due to "for the children" arguments.

Re:Come on China, (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453791)

Yeah, because banning pornographers from advertising to children is *totally* the same as China's suppression of all political or anti-Communist speech. Totally.

Re:Come on China, (4, Insightful)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453853)

An amendment to CDA banned all discussion of abortion on the Internet. Remember that they first came for the Communists because everybody hated Communists. Hopefully somebody will speak up when they come for you.

Re:Come on China, (4, Informative)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453591)

I notice the moronic mods are out in force.

I actually thought the first post was quite funny but I suppose anyone suggesting that the US govt might like to censor anything is offensive to some people. The reality is that the US goverment and certain states in particular have a long history of censorship.

As usual, wikipedia has a pretty decent page on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Uni ted_States [wikipedia.org]

I am not saying that the US is as bad as China, but no government is above trying to censor things they dont aggree with for any number of reasons.

Re:Come on China, (1, Insightful)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454103)

You know, while I support your currently "semi"-balanced approach, you will not be able to maintain this "neutrality" of yours.

Why doesn't anyone talk about how the CHINESE government, who is actually killing people for censorship, should be stopped ? Where is the left's support for the people of China ?

Please show me, for once, that you are capable of actually thinking about something bad without blaming it on Bush or the American government ?

Re:Come on China, (1)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454265)

The problem is that until China start invading other countries it is quite hard to justify doing anything, especially when you consider that they have nuclear weapons.

I suppose we could strike first with our nuclear weapons but it is a bit hard to justify doing this using the argument of helping the Chinese people. There are a great many injustices in the world but for the most part we can do nothing about them. I try and avoid buying Chinese produce but this is bloody difficult nowadays being that the seem to make everything.

The reality is that the any effective, long term solution has to come from the people of China.

Re:Come on China, (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#19455003)

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."

Hackers For Freedom? (-1, Troll)

MarkPNeyer (729607) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453187)

Is there a group somewhere consisting of people who know computers using their skills to attack computer systems run by oppressive regimes and shut down their ability to do this sort of thing? If not, somebody who knows more than I do ought to start one. I'd love to use what little skill I've got to try to break into computer systems run by thugs and shut them down.

you first.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453231)

A nice public execution by a firing squad should do you nice for sabotage.

steps to take (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453261)

learn oppressive regimes language..

then you can actually understand the enemy..

then get all of the oppresive governments IP address's to their sensitive networks..

scan for days and weeks, with compromised machines from other oppresive regimes..

get all the holes you can find on that regime, exploit them respectively..

study all covert operations that regime is part of that might harm our country, copy all data as evidence for yourself. then delete all of their data off their box.

sell this information to your own oppressive regime

profit for humanity!!!

DING DONG THE WITCH ETC! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453267)

BREAKING NEWS -- Socialite and celebrity Paris Hilton has been found dead in her Los Angeles County jail cell, apparently of suicide, the AP has learned. Details to follow.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_re_us/pa ris.hilton.dead;_ylt=Aq8W_o1ix733AK2ZgX0URD9vzwcF7 18

Now THIS trully deserves a slashdot story.

Re:DING DONG THE WITCH ETC! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453341)

BREAKING NEWS -- Socialite and celebrity Anonymous Coward has been found dead in his mother's basement, apparently of terminal stupidity, the AP has learned. Details to follow.
http://goatse.cz/ [goatse.cz]

God have mercy if slashdot posts a story about Paris Hilton. Real or made up.

Re:DING DONG THE WITCH ETC! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19454171)

God! FINALLY something other than more of that Paris Hilton bullshit in the news!

Re:DING DONG THE WITCH ETC! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19454341)

From your mouth to God's ear.

Re:Hackers For Freedom? (1)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453357)

Is there a group somewhere consisting of people who know computers using their skills to attack computer systems run by oppressive regimes and shut down their ability to do this sort of thing?

China has a group of hackers that do nothing but make viruses, spyware, to try and infiltrate and sabotauge foreign computers.

Re:Hackers For Freedom? (2, Interesting)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453641)

China has a group of hackers that do nothing but make viruses, spyware, to try and infiltrate and sabotauge foreign computers.

In the real world, or just in Command and Conquer Generals?

I thought that most spyware originated in the US where you could sell marketing data you gathered for the greatest returns.

Re:Hackers For Freedom? (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453887)

Actually, both the US and China are producing "hacker militias". Code Red, for example, was sanctioned by the Chinese government.

Re:Hackers For Freedom? (1)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454097)

Do you actually have any information on where I can read more about this? I just tried a search and all I found was an article saying it originated in the Phillipines.

Re:Hackers For Freedom? (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454237)

I read it in a Scientific American article. I can't find the militia stuff in the article(it might have been in one of the boxes to the side, which are apparently not published online) but I think this is the article [sciam.com] .

Re:Hackers For Freedom? (1)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454365)

Thanks for the article, it made interesting reading.

But it does only speculate as to Chinese involvement in the Code Red worm. I got the impression from hacking incidents over the spyplane that the people participating on both sides were just silly little script kiddies (on both sides). I would hope that any US or Chinese government hacker could find better things to do than deface some random websites.

It is also interesting that at the bottom of the article they have a note saying that the first version of the story pointed a finger at a respected security company for helping in the worms creation. The fact that they suggested this than had to correct the article goes some way to robbing it of any credibilty it might have once had in suggesting a Chinese link.

GO CHINA!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453203)

GO CHINA!!!
GO BUSH!!!

Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (4, Insightful)

illumnatLA (820383) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453221)

Censorship under the guise of protecting our children or national security. Thank god that stuff only happens in China and not here in the United States...
Oh... er...
...nevermind

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (2, Insightful)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453281)

Bad mouth a corporation and you can get hit with a SLAPP lawsuit.

That's how it's done in America: they don't use guns. They use lawyers.

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453869)

Example please?

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (1)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454875)

There are obvious things the media can't say or people can't say about the President for instance.

Sites like MySpace and LiveJournal have been pressured to take down various profiles and users because they have iffy content or they have a name SIMILAR to a person listed on the sex offender registry. The FCC regularly limits what can be said on television and radio.

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454995)

There are obvious things the media can't say or people can't say about the President for instance.

Example?

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (1)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 7 years ago | (#19455115)

Well if i say them i get the secret service at my door... why don't you try some things and see what happens.

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (1)

phoomp (1098855) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454983)

Try gambling online sometime.

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (1)

manifoldronin (827401) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453915)

Think you are cute, do you? Well, frankly, I'm sick and tired of how people like you so quickly - no later than the fucking first post?! - hijack this thread to "how bad it is here in the US". I'd be glad to join you on Bush-bashing over there [slashdot.org] , but this one is about China, OK?

Re:Thank God that wouldn't happen in the US (1)

Israfels (730298) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454647)

"Censorship under the guise of protecting our children or national security. Thank god that stuff only happens in China and not here in the United States...
Oh... er...
...nevermind
"

I agree, I can't believe America is filtering Flickr under the guise of protecting our children or national security...
Oh... er...
...nevermind....
WE DON'T!

In fact we probably produce and host most of the filthiest stuff you can find on the internet.

Not News (3, Informative)

tarogue (84626) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453225)

China censors the internet. It's what they do. How about an article of what China is *not* censoring?

Re:Not News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19454413)

All I got was:

"- - the internet. It's what - -. - - - - - - China is *not* censoring"

Re:Not News (1)

tdknox (138401) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454909)

Since I'm currently sitting in Beijing, I can tell you that the Internet censorship is very hit-or-miss here. Some websites go right through that I am surprised about, while others (including Wikipedia) just give you a bizarre CSS error page when you try to load them.

I am extremely careful what sites I try to go to while I am here.

The great Firewall (1)

fohat (168135) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453227)

China: Turning off one website at a time until there is no more internet. Problem is, that could take a while...

Quick everyone make flickr clones! Oh wait...

Why not censor by tags then? (1)

habbi (991628) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453883)

hey, it's a joke. laugh.

Any confirmation? (1)

evanknight (1070332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453237)

It doesn't look like any official body in China has confirmed taking action here, and the article doesn't mention it either. Anyone find anything?

Re:Any confirmation? (2, Informative)

icydog (923695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454367)

Yes, I first started noticing this at the end of last week (around Wednesday or Thursday). Flickr photos worked fine up until then; now all images (JPGs?) from flickr domains are blocked, even the logos, icons, buttons, and such that are part of the site layout. I'm in Shanghai.

Flickr (0)

56ker (566853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453265)

Seems the Flick(e)r of free speech in China is slowly being extinguished by the authoritarian approach of the regime.

Olympics will be exempt (4, Insightful)

r00t (33219) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453293)

That area of the country, for the time period of the games, will be treated differently. It'll look great. You'll be able to sit in your hotel room and view all the stuff you want. (pro-Tibetian Falon Gong porn, whatever...)

The rest of the country? No.

A month later? No.

BTW, don't check your business email or log in to the corporate VPN from China. You know the story: "all your trade secrets are blong to us".

Re:Olympics will be exempt (1)

nlitement (1098451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453585)

You forgot about Hong Kong, you insensitive clod!

Re:Olympics will be exempt (1)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453667)

BTW, don't check your business email or log in to the corporate VPN from China. You know the story: "all your trade secrets are blong to us".

Uh, isn't this what encryption is for? (God help you if your company doesn't encrypt it's VPN)

Re:Olympics will be exempt (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454867)

That area of the country, for the time period of the games, will be treated differently. It'll look great. You'll be able to sit in your hotel room and view all the stuff you want. (pro-Tibetian Falon Gong porn, whatever...)
I wouldn't bank on it. Falun Gong weren't allowed near the Chinese New Year celebrations even here in London, so I bet they'll be well out of sight in Beijing.

Doesn't surprise me... (0)

daddyrief (910385) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453299)

Such is the nature of censorship. It starts on a general level (like blocking results of certain search queries on google/yahoo) and then starts to leach outwards... to include entire sites that could have possible pictures or words that goes against state-distributed morals/ideas.

I love their 'think of the children' reasoning also. I think I've heard that one before, somewhere else...

So let me get this straight (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453339)

You guys want us to buy all the stuff you make, and you don't want to allow your people access to the ideas we make.

How much longer are you going to let this authoritarian bullshit go on? Do you realize how powerful China could become if it embraced concepts like "the free exchange of ideas"? You guys could be mining helium on the Moon, then building interplanetary transportation and communication networks with the Europeans and the Africans (if they can also get their act together in the next few decades), while we Americans are visiting the Creation Museum in Kentucky and arguing about whether or not to allow gays to get married to each other.

Let go of your artificial attempts to control your society. They'll do fine. Let things evolve.

China (or India) could leave America in the dust in the first half of this century, if they want to.

How much longer? (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453839)

How much longer will we ( the world ) continue to ignore their own moral issues with China in return for cheap goods? A long long long time.

A fix? (2, Funny)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453349)

Umm nothing is broken, its Chinas right to block whatever they feel is right.

Techincally if fickr circumvents this, they are violating China's wishes, and could be sued charged with treason and extradited.

Re:A fix? (2, Funny)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453397)

Your legal knowledge is astounding.

Re:A fix? (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453423)

No offence but who gives a fuck about violating the "wishes" of human rights violators.

Also, how do you sue, charge with treason and extradite a website?

Re:A fix? (1)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453685)

No offence but who gives a fuck about violating the "wishes" of human rights violators.

Do you feel the same way about the US government. They also violate peoples human rights. The two most current examples are Gauntanamo Bay and the rendition torture express flights being operated by the CIA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_renditi on [wikipedia.org]

Re:A fix? (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453723)

Yes I do. What was your point?

Re:A fix? (1)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453795)

Curiousity.

Sue a website? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453817)

No, you sue / charge the owners/operators. Much as you would do with a corporation that has overstepped its boundaries.

Now, i agree its hard to get somone transferred out of the country to face charges, but it DOES happen on occasion, and it doesnt mean they cant at least try, even if the request is denied.

there is something greater in importance (1, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453477)

than the wishes of a bunch of technocrats in beijing

namely, it is the wishes of the average chinese person

your words are basically "shut up and respect the guy in charge"

no, fuck you. the guy in charge needs to respect the guy on the street. in china, he does not do this. that's wrong

that's not wrong according to western values, that's wrong period, according to all human values

it's called democracy, and it is the right and provenance of every single soul on this planet

do you understand? or are you still some sort of sycophant of the big man with the gun?

Re:there is something greater in importance (1, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453537)

your words are basically "shut up and respect the guy in charge"
Yes, evil China. In the west, we never let the guy in charge decide, we always look for what the average person wants. There will never be a war that isn't supported by a vast majority... Err...

that's not wrong according to western values, that's wrong period, according to all human values
According to western human values. The human rights of the UN are very strongly western values. When they were drafted, few non-western countries had a say.

it's called democracy, and it is the right and provenance of every single soul on this planet
According to which universal truth?

Hold the flamethrower for a second. I don't say tyranny is great. However, this blind love with "democracy" is not productive, either. It blinds you to better alternatives that might emerge, for example.

better alternatives? (-1, Flamebait)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453625)

name one. otherwise, stand up and stand behind democracy

if you can articulate something better than democracy, you have a valid point. but if you criticize democracy without a better option, you're some sort deluded asshole

furthermore, what is the point on adding a western veneer to the concept of the rights of an individual? fuck this moral relativity, either EVERY human being has basic rights, or not

is there some magic wall at the rio grande or the straights of bosporus or the rock of gibraltar? you cross them and POOF, people have less value? is this what you believe?

your pov seems to have no intellectual or moral continuity

however, i don't think you are necessarily evil, just stupid

put a little thought into your words, and you'll wind up agreeing with me

but playing the contrarian just for the sake of being the contrarian is retarded

Re:better alternatives? (1)

Jackmn (895532) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453833)

furthermore, what is the point on adding a western veneer to the concept of the rights of an individual? fuck this moral relativity, either EVERY human being has basic rights, or not
Rights are a fabrication created in the interest of making life more pleasant, not a universal truth.

you cross them and POOF, people have less value? is this what you believe?
Nothing has inherent value. Value must have context - valuable to whom? Many people feel that human life is precious, and for them human life has value. Many people don't, and for them human life does not. Some may feel that one group of people is more valuable than another - and for them that assertion is correct.

The universe doesn't care who lives and who dies. It doesn't care if people are miserable or happy. It doesn't carry any preference for one action an individual may take over another. Morals entirely come down to what individuals feel is right and wrong. There is no logical basis for moral absolutism.

Re:better alternatives? (1)

insignificant_wrangl (1060444) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453903)

umm... America isn't actually a democracy. Its a republic. I don't think there's a truly democratic nation in the first world. So, there's one alternative: elect officials to represent the people. Those officials have access to a wide variety of information and use that information to make decisions which they believe benefit the majority of the people. If they happen to think that censoring a mass media outlet is the best thing, then they are within their power. If the people disagree, then they can choose new leaders the next time around.

To recap, I don't think you are stupid, just oversimplifying. To try and frame complex cultural matrices in "either your with us or against us" kinds of terms doesn't pay sufficient attention to the underlying complexity. Continuity can be great. Its also a hobgoblin for...

Every person has equal value. And while you and I might agree that a basic human right should be freedom of expression and access to information, not everyone does. It is their right, unfortunately, to decide that some information and expression is detrimental to society, that it is devoid of value. Its our right to bitch and moan about it, hopefully some of those elected officials will take notice and pressure other elected officials to confront China's officials. Maybe.

Re:there is something greater in importance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453773)

We should, of course, keep an open mind, but the concept of democracy(by which I mean rule through consensus, consensus obtained by open debate) is, in my opinion, a pretty awesome one. It's not neutral, it's not universal, but I think it can be successfully argued that it's a pretty good idea.

We shouldn't let the fact that western countries(not just the U.S.) behave in assholish and imperialist ways in the name of democracy blind us to that, either. We should lose faith in those western countries, rather than in the idea of democracy itself, unless what disappoints us results directly from a flaw in democracy itself. (Of course, we could also start to question the effectiveness of the western, modern, heavily wealth-based, "implementation" of democracy.)

Re:there is something greater in importance (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453895)

Every war starts out supported by a vast majority. It isn't until about two years in that the protests start. It's like that with every war, from Vietnam to WWII.

Re:there is something greater in importance (1)

brainhum (869270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454227)

The UN Human Rights Declaration (UDHR) may be Western biased, but that's what we've got, even if it is somewhat toothless. As a reference point, it's better than nothing.

I see the merit in your point on democracy, yet I'd choose American style democracy over any flavour of monarchy from the Middle East on any day of the week (and I'm not American).

Is China 'Evil'? I don't know, but it does seem to be run by a bunch of assholes, IMHO. The Basic Law in Hong Kong is a joke. The Chinese government routinely tortures and imprisons people for their beliefs [guardian.co.uk] . Corruption is a way of life. Censorship is way over the top. Last year there was that video of Chinese army soldiers shooting Tibetan refugees in Nepal [smh.com.au] .

I recognize that I may be biased since the bastards tried to poison us the other month [fda.gov] .

Re:there is something greater in importance (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453805)

Ummm, the chinese have a *right* to live however they want as a independent society ( until they try to force it onto other countries, or become a danger to the rest of the world ). As do we. Dont forget that there are people on this planet that thing democracy is just as wrong as we might think of theirs..

Who wins when there is a disagreement? Who get to make the decision of what is the 'right' way to live and the 'wrong' way? ( ill give you a hint, its not you )

Re:there is something greater in importance (5, Insightful)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453925)

Ummm, the chinese have a *right* to live however they want

Exactly. The individual Chinese have every right to live however they want, until they try to force their preferences onto others, or make threats against them. If some (or all) of them don't want to be censored, they have every right not to be.

Re:A fix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453571)

Did you know that posting ignorant legal opinions to Slashdot carries the death penalty in Sealand?

If you don't like the Chinese Government... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453383)

... Don't watch the Olympics. Let the media carrying the Olympics know that you're boycotting them, and will try to get others to join the cause vs. Chinese censorship. Try to avoid purchasing goods made in China, or from companies with close relationships with China. Otherwise, they'll continue to do what they want with all the money the West sends them...

Re:If you don't like the Chinese Government... (1)

dkf (304284) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453565)

Try to avoid purchasing goods made in China, or from companies with close relationships with China.
They still exist?

Re:If you don't like the Chinese Government... (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453691)

Yes, however at this point it'd require a 40% tariff to get more variety in, and publicly shredding any economist's letter that comes in.

Re:If you don't like the Chinese Government... (1)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453969)

Economics, the only science where ethics and morality are thrown out the window.

I believe the word you were looking for was "politics". Economic science is predicated on ethical behavior, although I will admit that it -- like all other forms of science -- is essentially amoral (though not immoral -- it simply leaves morality up to the individual participants).

Your war on economics is badly misguided.

Re:If you don't like the Chinese Government... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453769)

yeah as if people running around in circles for various amounts of time, jumping about a bit, throwing stuff about, tempting drowning, running through streets for a few hours whilst being following by motorbikes etc is by any definition a thrilling spectacle that is worth anybody's time in the first place.

the paralympics pisses me off more though. why is it ok to watch a one legged man trying to run, yet if we had a chess tournament for the mentally handicapped it would either be banned or have no spectators. double standards.

Re:If you don't like the Chinese Government... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453849)

Debatable. The Moscow Olympic boycott didn't quite work out for Carter. On the other hand, it would have been nice to see more absences during Speer's 1936 Olympic Opening Ceremony turned Nazi Party Rally.

Perhaps the better thing to do is to attend the games, but during the medal or closing ceremonies carry a Free All Political Prisoner! sign. Similar to the two runners doing the Black Power salute [wikipedia.org] during the 68 games.

Re:If you don't like the Chinese Government... (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453913)

Of course, you failed to mention that they got kicked out of the Olympic Village and the Olympics higherups threatened the USA(and Australia, who harbored the second-place winner evil for supporting their protest) with ostracision from the Olympics if they didn't kick them from their teams.

In China, you censor, but in Soviet Russia... (1)

feedmetrolls (1108119) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454051)

Sor senses you!

Re:If you don't like the Chinese Government... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19454207)

Try to avoid purchasing goods made in China

One problem. Last time I checked, E-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g is made in China.

Real censorship in China, violence and guns (0, Flamebait)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453413)

But don't forget. Amerika is evil, not China.

China ... is just peachy. As is "we have the right to nuke you all to hell" Iran. "We use chemical rockets, but we don't have WMD's" Saddam, and a few others.

Don't forget, it's Bush who is evil. Not China, not Kim Jong Il, not Ahmadinejad and his islamic cleric band, and not "I like to gas non-arabs" Saddam. Those are excellent, moral human beings. And let's not forget Assad, Saudi Arabia, the palestinians, the pakistani's, and quite a few other, very moral, human beings.

Obviously someone who provides religious justification for mass slaughter is a moral cleric, who just "has different values" from us (islamic values, something like 9/11 ?), and we should respect that [telegraph.co.uk] .

Re:Real censorship in China, violence and guns (-1, Flamebait)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453483)

Nice Trollfood but Bush *is* evil in more ways than China. China is openly monitoring their people and openly blocking shit they don't like. That's just one downside to living in that country.

Bush, OTOH, does all the illegal domestic spying under false pretenses and behind a shroud of secrecy.

The only thing China is guilty of publicly ignoring their constitution. Bush hates the Constitution but pretends to be fighting for it all while eroding our civil liberties behind our backs.

Re:Real censorship in China, violence and guns (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454061)

Your point basically comes down to : my allegations about bush are a conspiracy theory, so they must be right !

But the real situation is much less spectacular (obviously). Bush, and the American public, actually listen to your self-important dribble, and give you a "mission". The mere fact that you accuse your government is something Hong Kong would kill, or at least imprison you.

So please, join the real world. You'll find it to be a much more logical place than that scary illogical hole you occupy right now.

Re:Real censorship in China, violence and guns (1)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453503)

I would tell you that the world is large enough for several evils, but that wouldn't do your point justice, which... well, if you had a point, it wouldn't do it justice.

Re:Real censorship in China, violence and guns (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453861)

His point is: "We're better than Hitler, so we're okay!"

Not Surprised (2, Funny)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453441)

Since Yahoo learned what "Roll over" means in all the Chinese dialects, and how to say "Yes, sir" as well.

I've yet to know if they know what human rights means.

Shorter list (5, Funny)

aztektum (170569) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453533)

Let's compile one of things China won't censor and save time

Re:Shorter list (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453669)

Money, and any of those "free trade" agreements put forth that end up taking jobs.

The Reason is Obvious (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453557)

A couple of days ago was the anniversary of the Tianenmen Square Massacre. Several major sites were carrying a story about a Flickr album depicting the event. No doubt the Chinese Communist Party censors picked up on it and decided to block.

Good for the goose? (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453593)

I guess the Chinese Communists are simply instituting Flickr's own policies.

Any News is Good News (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453631)

In light of the upcoming Olympics, I see news like this as neither good nor bad. Unless China has something quite sneaky up it's sleave, like some super-duper set of human rights and freedoms they will grant to their citizens for the duration of The Games, I imagine many of these issues will come to light with so many different sets of eyes and ears visiting.

The viewpoints and opinions that the spectators and athletes take back to their respective countries seem like they could do more to change Chinese policy than any news article or government sanction/tariff/international law.

Re:Any News is Good News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453697)

$10 says the Internet censors will be disabled for the few weeks surrounding the Olympics.

Re:Any News is Good News (1)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454449)

Because that strategy worked so well during the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin? No, instead the Chinese regime will relax its restrictions just enough for the duration of the games to get media to focus on other things than Chinas human rights violations. Thanks to the wests appeasement policy we are quelching all possibility of change to the better in China.

This is ridiculous... (1)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453715)

No matter how many sites China will block, people are gonna find one way or another exercise freedom of expression online, so they might as well censor the whole of the internet. Fucking lunatics.

what chinese see googling for "Tiananmen Square" (1)

so sue mee (660717) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453747)

Re:what chinese see googling for "Tiananmen Square (1)

aprilsound (412645) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454659)

What Americans see Googling for "Dallas TX" [google.com] . It's totally a cover-up of the Kennedy assassination.

When you Google 'Whitehouse' you don't get pages about how the British burned it down in the War of 1812, so it must be a cover up since the British supported the war on terror.

For most Chinese internet users, the tourism aspects of the square and the nearby Forbidden City are probably more significant than a 1989 protest, which is the only reason westerners have ever heard of it.

Re:what chinese see googling for "Tiananmen Square (1)

keithjr (1091829) | more than 7 years ago | (#19455075)

If other internet references to Tiananmen Square were more applicable to Chinese users, we would at least a different ordering of images in the search results. 18 pages turning into 3 pages by a change of locality is a bit too drastic of a difference to pass off, considering it is all coming from the same internet...right...? oh...

We are the ones blame (1)

m4g02 (541882) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453767)

Is a shame Occident is supporting and sponsoring an oppressive regime, we are the ones that are doing business with them betraying ourselves, freedom, democracy and our occidental roots and values. We are the ones blame, not China; they just found is easy to play with us using their own rules because now days Occident only cares about saving some bucks.

I wonder what happened to Occident, great promises of freedom and equality are fading away in our old and corrupt society.

OK, Fess Up (1)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 7 years ago | (#19453923)

Which one of you upload the picture of the tank man [wikipedia.org] onto Flickr? Boy, that must have been an embarrassing moment for the party and they don't like to be reminded of it. That and pictures of shooting hundreds and thousands of college students demanding what is promised to them in their constitution.

Why bother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19453955)

Seriously, why doesn't China just ditch the internet and create a nation-wide intranet like Cuba? Then they can be as abusive and controlling as they want without being bothered by nosy Americans.

Using Censorship against them (3, Interesting)

BillGatesLoveChild (1046184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454211)

Seems if you want something not to be pirated in China, how about adding extras like the Dalai Lama, Falon Gong or Tiananmen Square? Software makers, be sure to feature a Falon Gong extra in the tutorials. Movie makers: How about a cameo by the Dalai Lama in the next Pirates of the Caribbean movie? Google Maps: when you zoom in on Tiananmen, show perspective mapped photos of what really happened.

Seriously: I have a friend who just got back from a visit in China. He said the Communist Party is very scared about losing its grip on society. They've very, very worried about losing control. Something you haven't heard in the mainstream media: Chinese, particularly the poorer ones, are really sick of the rich getting richer. When the Chinese Government wants to build a road, they pick a poor area, flatten it and kick the poor locals out. Increasingly, people are getting sick of it and the government is worried: This is why they're banning things left, right and center: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/2275.asp [indiadaily.com] http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/PEK165285 .htm [alertnet.org] http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/world/asia/21cnd -china.html?ex=1337400000&en=578ee101ec63e955&ei=5 090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss [nytimes.com]

I'm a definite threat! (1)

jmvbxx (1074458) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454267)

I can tell you, as a user of Flickr despite the yahoo account requirement, that I am threat to communism and the People's movement!

LOL

/go ahead, check for my username and you will see what I mean ;)

Let them censor it! (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454357)

I'm all for the Chinese government doing more and more repressive crap because it will encourage the Chinese people to work around it, and when they do, the entire world will benefit from Chinese innovation (an oxymoron, I know). Better web proxies and anonymizers will benefit Americans as more and more lawsuits get thrown around by the MAFIAA and other corrupt factions of Corporate America.

We may not know what the CIA is up to, but the press outlets are always happy to dig up dirt on foreign nations. There is much we can learn from them.

Re:Let them censor it! (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454941)

Well, you do raise a point... The world in general, not just USA, seem to become more Chinese by the day, while China becomes more western. I guess in the end we'll meet on some icky middle ground. :-( Unfortunately, defending liberties is often no noble cause either, which can make it a scary topic for a democratic party to touch. Who wish to defend freedom of speech, if the speech came from a paedophile? Which European politician wish to raise a debate on outlawing hate speech laws in Europe? These rights have already been eroded in many civilized countries today. They weren't always, but they now is. What part of today's liberties will erode tomorrow?

Not sure what's worse... (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#19454739)

... These things or that the Olympic Comittee allowed China to host the Olympic games, with all the shittiness in the background. Not just censorship alone, but with their civil rights in general. Money talks as usual... :-(
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