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Vacation Photos That Inform Instead of Bore

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the that-pool-looks-awesome dept.

The Internet 129

A News.com story discusses the increasing trend towards adding metadata to casually created content. Their discussion centers around vacation photos taken with increasingly sophisticated cameras, and uploaded to ever more feature-rich websites. These photos, taken on a whim by snap-happy tourists, become invaluable for people wanting to follow in their footsteps. "It's the odd juxtapositions of randomly plotted photos that may be the most surprising--and useful--to travelers with more obscure interests. For example, fans of graffiti can search the word, 'graffiti,' and 'New York City' at Flickr.com/map, and pull up photos of freshly painted tags, all plotted with pushpins on a clickable Yahoo map. A search for 'Dumbo Brooklyn graffiti,' for example, finds some 99 photos, including the infamous 'Neck Face' tag, spray-painted on a brick warehouse at Jay and Front Streets in Brooklyn. Try finding that in a guidebook."

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Goatse! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19460965)

4 in a row? [goatse.cz]

Re:Goatse! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19460993)

That better not be a vacation photo...

Re:Goatse! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461015)

do you sit here at slashdot all day and night, with no life, no girlfriend, no job, jerking off, clicking that refresh button every second just to see if you can get a first post to show goatse? you must really get some extreme personal gratitude for yourself with every first post..

Well, that depends (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461073)

Do you sit here at slashdot all day and night, with no life, no girlfriend, no job, jerking off, clicking that refresh button every second just to see if you can complain about each and every troll? You must really have no sense of humour.

Re:Well, that depends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461391)

Do you sit here at slashdot all day and night, with no life, no girlfriend, no job, jerking off, clicking that refresh button every second just to see if you can complain about each and every person complaining about each and every troll? You must really have no life.

Re:Goatse! (2, Funny)

utopianfiat (774016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462295)

I mean, doesn't everyone? No? Just me?
Damn, do I feel pathetic.

Cool (1)

jrwr00 (1035020) | more than 7 years ago | (#19460979)

Cant you do that with Google street (when they get it all up and going) i can see this as more updated, but with Google street you can see "more"

Re:Cool (5, Informative)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461021)

I'm not known for liking Microsoft, but check Photosynth:

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129 [ted.com]

Re:Cool (1)

Utopia (149375) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461051)

Impressive.
I would love have my photos in new photo browser like that one.

Re:Cool (3, Interesting)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461529)

I don't have the bandwidth to look at the video, but this program offers some different ways of browsing photos(as opposed to the ACDSee alikes):

http://www.windsorinterfaces.com/photomesa-downloa d.shtml [windsorinterfaces.com]

(Windows+.Net)

Re:Cool (1)

Utopia (149375) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461809)

Nice! Thanks for the link.

Re:Cool (2, Interesting)

SubliminalVortex (942332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461125)

Did you catch the part about them 'embedding' the "Fake" ad? If you did, well, bully for you, if you didn't, well, I'm onto your game. :)

Re:Cool (3, Insightful)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461319)

I'm not known for liking Microsoft, but check Photosynth:

Don't worry, we won't eat you alive even if you liked Microsoft. It's a damn company.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461415)

Don't worry, we won't eat you alive even if you liked Microsoft.

Oh yes we will! Unless your chair-throwing skills are at a level to keep us at bay.

Re:Cool (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461813)

He's right, of course. We'll have the civility to kill you before we eat you.

Re:Cool (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463317)

Fear me for I am the Linux Cannibal. :)

Re:Cool (2, Interesting)

tiluki (74844) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463755)

The "LiveLabs Preview" - i.e. actual application to try out - is actually here: http://labs.live.com/photosynth/ [live.com]

Strangely enough, works only in a Windows browser...

Of course based on actual research into "Photo-tourism" by Noah Snavely et al. (note his supervisor is Richard Szeliski, explaining the M$ connection:-)

Got to hand it to them, this only backs up what some people have said for a while about taking Computer Vision research and throwing a proper development teams at it (c.f. Boujou). Result: one cool product.

Actually... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461087)

http://phototour.cs.washington.edu/ [washington.edu]

Captcha: micros

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461277)

"Cant you do that with Google street (when they get it all up and going)"

Google Street only works with areas you can drive the Google camera van through. I've been using Panoramio to check out potential travel areas in parts of the world that the Google van will never reach, thanks to photographers who caught views from trails and beaches and the foot path directly in front of a monument away from the road.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461645)

Maybe, but you still wouldn't get my photos of horse turds of rural Ontario!

Neck Face (3, Informative)

magicchex (898936) | more than 7 years ago | (#19460983)

I had to search for "Neck Face" specifically to find it, as the suggested search terms brought up 700+ photos, not the 99 claimed.

The Face Neck tag can be found here [flickr.com] .

Re:Neck Face (4, Insightful)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461029)

This is the problem i've had with meta-tagging. Someone uses a tag, and then 500 other people abuse it the second day, and it exponentially compounds so that it's hard to find things again.

Re:Neck Face (2, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461615)

Manual tagging is useless, mainly because most people won't bother at all but also due to spamming, trolling, incompleteness, etc. That's one reason the "semantic web" will never happen.

Automated tagging, on the other hand, is coming along nicely. Time and location stamping are pretty obvious (and very helpful), but I think within just a few years the software to automatically, accurately retrieve photos of specific people and places will be common as well. Leaving all your photos in a big directory with names like IMG00427.JPG might not be such a problem after all.

Re:Neck Face (1)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461735)

There is at least one decent solution to the problem of collaborative image tagging:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8246463 980976635143

Re:Neck Face (2, Insightful)

Eivind (15695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462713)

Tagging doesn't need to be perfect to be useful. There are infact lots of tourist-photos of grafitti in new-york tagged with "grafitti", so if you're looking for them, it's possible and indeed simple to find them. True enough there's also a million photos *NOT* tagged with "grafitti", but nevertheless with grafitti in the motive or even *as* the motive.

Claiming that manual tagging is useless because it's incomplete and inconsistent is like claiming that Google-search is useless because it is based on page-content, meta-information and linking, all of which is incomplete and inconsistent. That fails to be the case.

Re:Neck Face (-1, Troll)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461045)

What I'd like to find is !NeckFace. Google me a place that hasn't been at least partially fucked up by NY influence. NYC is the asshole of the USA, and if terrorists had to bomb something, I'm glad it was there.

Floyd R. Turbo,

American

Try finding that in a guidebook. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19460985)

Try finding that in a guidebook.

Why? Oh yeah, right -- I always go on vacation to NYC just to see the... graffiti.

tagging (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461009)

Tags only work when they're properly weighted against the content of the media.
For example, Slashdot edits out various tags claiming abuse and trolls yet tags have not proven themselves to be effective for Slashdot. Now if Slashdot saw that "dupe" was only entered once but "science" or "exoplanets" were entered 10 times then the dupe tag would be easily ignored while the tags added by more responsible participants come to the fore.
Unfortunately Slashdot refuses to acknowledge its paying user base (and ad clicking user base) as adults or peers and the editors must spend a greater amount of time editing nonsensical stuff rather than actually editing submissions like the egregious "Io barfs LOL" one from Zonk.

Re:tagging (2, Insightful)

pimpimpim (811140) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462885)

Apart from the cheap Zonk bashing, good point. The current tags for this article are 'internet' and 'technology', which I would say covers about 25-50% of all slashdot articles. Also, using such tags makes them overlap with the already existing category system, so one of them is redundant.

The way the tags are now they are no good in retrieving the article, as they are not specific enough. 'photo, tagging, metadata' would be a better way then.

The way the tags were before they were also no good in retrieving the article, but at least they would resemble a sort of mini summary and poll. For example, if I would see the tags: 'evil, notevil' on an article I would immediately see that it was a point of dicussion, and therefore likely an interesting read.

I say, please slashdot, make up your mind and think of a better thing you want us to do with your tags than the current useless goal. Also, some trust in your userbase would be nice, you trust us when it comes to submitting the content, and commenting on the content, why not when tagging the content?

Glorifying Vandalism (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461039)

I looked up "Selfish disregard for neighborhoods and private property" and came up with those grafitti images. Tagging is the equivalent of a dog pissing on a hydrant but with less creativity.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461163)

I used to know a guy who had a six foot high concrete wall around two sides of his property, he had a busy street right in front of his house. One morning he came out and found nearly the entire wall had been spray painted with an anti-war mural. It was technically an act of vandalism and selfish disregard for private property but he said he actually liked it more than a solid white wall and thought it was pretty cool artwork. He wanted to keep it but the city eventually forced him to have it removed after a lot of people complained about a few parts they considered "obscene".

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (3, Insightful)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461307)

Okay, and for every story that you can dredge up where someone was happy with having their property "artistically vandalized" I can probably find at least ten where the opposite was true. If the people involved with putting up that mural really wanted to get their message out, and the guy really had no problem with it, then there would have been no harm in asking for PERMISSION first.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (2, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461389)

I understand where you're coming from man.. and in places where the council can force you to clean it up, at your cost, it's definitely wrong, but the thing is, when you build a wall facing a public place, it's not completely your wall anymore. It's a public wall. Personally, I think that if the public is free to do what they want with your wall (say, if the council wants to paint it) then you shouldn't be forced to repaint it at your expense if a minority of the public does what the majority don't like with it. Then there's the guys who jump fences and paint on houses and shit. That's just juvenile.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0, Troll)

orangepeel (114557) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461403)

when you build a wall facing a public place, it's not completely your wall anymore. It's a public wall.

So let me get this straight: the next time you park your car on a public street, you're ok with me coming along and spray-painting it?

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461479)

Wall != car. I didn't invent the fuckin' law man.. I'm just telling you the way it is.

Glorifying Anecdotal Evidence. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461491)

"Wall != car. I didn't invent the fuckin' law man.. I'm just telling you the way it is."

Invent it? You haven't even posted a link to the law.

Re:Glorifying Anecdotal Evidence. (-1, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461521)

Do your own research.

Everywhere is different.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (1)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462009)

I'm not aware of a single jurisdiction in the USA that agrees with you. Moreover, I'm similarly not aware of any such laws in the UK or Australia. Can you provide a single example of a jurisdiction where a wall you erect on private property, facing the public way, is fair game for graffiti?

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462585)

I think you got his post backwards. He's saying that in the case mentioned, the town basically annexed the guy's wall by telling him what had to be on it. In that case, he believes the town should've been responsible for the cost of the repainting rather than the guy who no longer owns what was formerly his wall.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461563)

You and the Giulianis of the world are wrecking everything soulful and creative and finely articulate about the human experience. FYI: Most New Yorkers fuckin' hate Giuliani. And no less do we hate people like you.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (2, Insightful)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461797)

There are some 6 million New Yorkers. Once you get beyond things like "are human" and "speak English", most don't mean crap.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461919)

Eight million and change, actually. And I'm not sure what to make of your strangely xenophobic comments suggesting that the only Americans who matter are the ones who speak English.

In case you have any doubt, Giuliani is widely loathed even among native-born, English-speaking New Yorkers. Every year he used to show up at the Met to present Domingo or whoever with an award, and every year he'd be booed to filth by the audience, I mean a minute or more of jeers and catcalls. Listen to us and learn from our mistake—your hero is a Putin in miniature, a nasty little troll who provokes confrontations to suit his petty desire for attention. Oh, and he cracks down on street art.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19462237)

I believe GP was simply pointing out that, other than being human and speaking English, one cannot really say that "most" New Yorkers have anything in common, including a hatred of their former mayor. Nothing xenophobic there; just ordinary logic.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (1)

Myopic (18616) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461361)

a lot of people complained about a few parts they considered "obscene".

Oh, yeah, I think I saw that. Was it the one with Bush and Blair anally raping Saddam standing on one foot with jumper cables clipped to his balls? And Bush is holding some WMD behind his back with his right hand, while handing cash to Halliburton with his left, and Halliburton is dancing on the graves of weeping Iraqi mothers? And Bush has piles of dog shit falling out of his mouth? I don't see what was so obscene about it.

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0, Offtopic)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461313)

I got THIS [google.com]

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461589)

So... Since the Frosty Piss post makes direct reference to the post above it, which was "on tpoic", how is Frosty's "offtopic"?

Re:Glorifying Vandalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19462105)

The post above it (and, indeed, the main article) refers to searches on flickr.com, not Google... *shrug*

Privacy (3, Insightful)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461041)

About ten years ago I read a sci-fi story about a private investigator who had one ace up her sleeve.. She aggregated and mined vacation photos from the web using facial recognition software to track people when they were otherwise off the map. The plot line revolved around tracking someone who appeared in the background in something like two out of several million web-posted photos.

Not a terribly good story, but kinda interesting all the same. The author pointed out that with the number of recording devices constantly on the increase, and the impulse people have to 'share' their photos on the web, it would not require a big brother type scenario to see personal privacy become a thing of the past... even if you take hardcore measures to hide.

Oh, and the suggested google search to find 'neck face' returns a lot more than 99 photos.

Regards.

Re:Privacy (1)

SubliminalVortex (942332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461109)

"...even if you take hardcore measures to hide." From what I've seen, most of those who go 'hardcore' aren't really taking measure to hide online. However, they do seem to make a good wage.

Re:Privacy (1)

Strilanc (1077197) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461251)

To me, "hardcore" includes altering your appearance so you don't get spotted at random.

Re:Privacy (3, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462103)

Not a terribly good story, but kinda interesting all the same. The author pointed out that with the number of recording devices constantly on the increase, and the impulse people have to 'share' their photos on the web, it would not require a big brother type scenario to see personal privacy become a thing of the past... even if you take hardcore measures to hide.
I have three words for you: Groucho Marx glasses. Solved.

Re:Privacy (1)

eggstasy (458692) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463465)

You may have been joking, but wearing a mask in public is illegal in many jurisdictions. There is no escape, Big Brother demands that you be easily identifiable and carry your papers with you at all times :)

Re:Privacy (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463925)

You may have been joking, but wearing a mask in public is illegal in many jurisdictions. There is no escape, Big Brother demands that you be easily identifiable and carry your papers with you at all times :)
Then I guess it's a question of how good these algorithms are. Could properly applied facial prosthetics throw it off, trick the sensors? Or would the kind of makeup that would throw off the computer be impractical for long-term use in public areas, i.e. make you look weird to human observers?

I suppose the only option left is to just hack the eyes of every observer and put the Laughing Man logo over your face...oh wait, am I confusing real life and anime again? Drat.

What was the story? (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462513)

I just read "The Green Leopard Plague" by Walter Jon Williams (c) 2003.

Similar use of public photos to track the past of someone. Not "vacation" photos, so maybe unrelated or an inspiration for a later story... actually, sounds a lot the same - "she", "otherwise off the map", "recognition software"...

See if you remember the author/story, if it was really "ten" years ago. Maybe it was only 3 or 4 years ago, or maybe it is a "Todd Goldman" moment...

Camera with LCD keyboard (2, Interesting)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461067)

What would be nice is if a high-end camera had a basic Palm-like OS where the user could use the preview screen as a touch screen with a virtual keyboard. That way when you're taking pictures metadata could be added on the fly. While I'm dreaming built-in wifi would be nice :)

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (2, Informative)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461139)

"What would be nice is if a high-end camera had a basic Palm-like OS where the user could use the preview screen as a touch screen with a virtual keyboard. That way when you're taking pictures metadata could be added on the fly. While I'm dreaming built-in wifi would be nice :)"

My Treo 700p does something like that. You can put captions on the photo, draw doodles on it, and even record voice notes and attach to the photo. The problem is actually finding the time to do it. I took a lot of photos at Disneyland recently but it was always a quick snap then I had to put it in my pocket and move on. Still, though, I thought that'd be great for shopping.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

markom (220743) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461209)

Wouldn't it be much cooler to have voice recognition software on the camera? That way you can spend more time enjoying the content you are photographing, instead of spending minutes and minutes inserting tags using 2" touch screen. With voice software, you'd just say "nice photo of blonde girl in front of some grafitti". Camera would then convert that into appropriate tags. Etc.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461221)

That's what I'm saying, the Treo lets you do that. The problem is finding the time. It's easier to just go through them all at the end of the day, usually.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462175)

My camera has a virtual keyboard on the screen and I don't use it for the same reason - time. Who wants to document 1000 photos while they are still experiencing their holiday, better to wait until you get home and sort out the 100 photos that are worth keeping.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (2, Informative)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461409)

Reliable voice recognition is probably a little too much to ask from a camera, but why not simply record an audio clip with the description, and then run voice recognition on it on the PC?

My Panasonic FZ-5 (which is already what, 2 generations old?) has this feature, you simply turn it on in the menu and then after each shot you can record up to around 5 seconds of comments. The camera stores the comment in a separate mov file with the image thumbnail for video. Rip out the audio with mplayer, run voice recognition on it with some kind of console tool, and store the result in the image EXIF comment field, separate text file, or database. I think I found my next perl project ;-)

There are a few (unique to the method) problems with this, though. Most cameras, including the FZ-5, would be using a built-in microphone, which is probably facing the direction of the subject, not the person making the comment. It's also often very noisy, in urban environments this could be traffic or gunfights, even out in the country strong wind could interfere with the quality. Bad sound quality == poor recognition accuracy. And of course it might not be possible or appropriate to say the comment out loud, like "a slutty chick with huge boobs I met at Joe's party" when she's posing for the shot right in front of you.

There are some general problems too, of course, like what exactly to comment on besides the subject. Anyway, some cameras already have GPS units built in, and others support external ones. IMO adding geographical data is the easiest thing to do technologically, and while it's not the complete solution, it helps a great deal.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463111)

in urban environments this could be traffic or gunfights
Yeah, this happens all the time when I'm on vacation.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19462501)

Some dSLR's do have wifi- for saving photos on the fly to a little hard drive cube.
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-WFT-E1-Wireless-Transm itter-Digital/dp/B00080OQUM [amazon.com]

The photos queue up on the local memory (and flash?) and get sent off to the destination as soon as possible. I don't imagine it would take a rocket scientist to modify that.

You'd think you could define a general tag for all of the photos you're taking (eg 'wedding') and go back and tag them additionally later.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461255)

Many cameras have the option to record an audio note associated with an image. It's not ideal, but it's at least a quick way to save some information before you forget it. I also end up taking a number of context photos to help me out later; for example, at the zoo, take a picture of the sign that gives you information about the animal, or a photo of the street signs near an interesting building. I don't plan to include these images in the album but they help remind me where I was and what I was doing.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (3, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461377)

What would be nice is a nice point and shoot digital that was affordable, had decent lenses and did n ot take a week to take a photo.

I use digital SLR cameras, when I press the shutter, it takes that photo within 2-20 milliseconds. That exact moment you were trying to capture was captured successfully. All point and shoots piss me off as they delay from .25 to almost 1 second to take the damned photo, that exact moment is long gone. That fricking sucks when you know what you are doing to take a good photo.

I like the portability of a point and shoot. When I'm off riding on the recumbent I hate having a SLR on my neck and would love a nice point an shoot, but I want one that take a photo the exact millisecond I press the shutter (if it's on) I want decent glass lenses that dont give either purple fringing (Like all Olympus digitals) or out of focus at the edge (like all Kodak digitals) or bizzare focus decisions. (Like all current Canon digitals Point and shoots. Earlier canon like the A20 were incredible)

Get rid of movie mode, audio, GPS, Loran, Cellphone, video playback, mp3, or Video games and give me a digital point and shoot camera that does not suck.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461579)

Is that 20 milliseconds with autofocus(I really have no idea...)?

My Nikon Coolpix 5700 takes a picture pretty quick once it has decided what it is taking the picture of. The first several Coolpix cameras were among the first good consumer level digital cameras. The later ones are a lot more point and shoot(so no manual aperture or shutter control), but they seem pretty decent(and you can usually put it into a mode that works ok for the light you have).

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461855)

Is that 20 milliseconds with autofocus(I really have no idea...)?

Definitely not. It's 20 msec from shutter depress to actuation.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (2, Informative)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461687)

I guess a lot depends on whether the "point and shoot" camera you're looking for is one which is not SLR based or one which fits in a shirt pocket.

If it's the former, you might want to have a look at the Panasonic FZ- cameras [dpreview.com] . They're still somewhat smaller than most SLRs, and they don't suck. The shutter lag is around 0.009 or 0.07 seconds [dpreview.com] , assuming you don't want the camera to perform any fancy auto focus or IS. The larger number includes the time it takes to actually display the image on the LCD. The Leica lens is pretty good too, the end results aren't too bad compared to a 50mm prime lens on a 350D [dpreview.com] . The image noise at high ISOs still sucks compared to any DSLR of course, but there's simply no way to fit a large sensor in a compact camera.

If the FZ50, or even the FZ8 is too large, there's still the TZ3 and whole bunch of even smaller cameras. As far as I can tell, they all have similar shutter lag, but they aren't directly compared to SLRs in terms of image quality, and I can't comment on them myself.

No, I'm not in any way related to dpreview (or Amazon), but as I've mentioned in a post somewhere above, I do have an FZ-5 and I'm quite happy with it.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461963)

I bought a Canon PowerShot A20 a long time ago (6-8 years?) anyway even at 2 megapixel with the highest settings I still love the quality. Plus it has optical zoom, (can't stand digital zoom). Even though it's old and 5-6+ megapixel cameras are out I just haven't found a need to upgrade. I'm still happy with 1600x1200 images that are crisp. Some newer cameras I've checked out with 6 megapixels when compared look grainy and just horrible. Almost like you took 35mm, printed and scanned at high res. Might have just been the camera I was comparing it to. But anyway, rant over. Just wanted to agree the A20 kicks ass.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

Eivind (15695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462703)

Bootup-time tend to be horrible too. Sometimes you want to take a picture *now* -- not 15 seconds from now when the camera finished booting. (ok, so that is sligthly exxagerating)

Particularily annoying in a small point-and-shoot camera because those are precisely the ones you bring to places where you *don't* want to spend a lot of time and effort taking photos.

My DSLR can take the first photo 0.2 seconds after you flick the thumb-switch for "on", which is essentially instant, you don't manage to put it to your face and compose a picture quicker than that anyway. The trigger-delay is 0.05s which is *almost* low enough to be completely unnoticeable. 0.01s would be ideal, but I'm guessing flipping up the mirror takes longer than that.

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (2, Interesting)

Deadstick (535032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461495)

How about an adapter cable that would let you text in your metadata from your cellphone?

rj

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461523)

Wishing I had an IPhone too...

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19462061)

I wish the damn point and shoots had an up/sideways sensor so I don't spend 10 minutes rotating pictures every time I download them

Re:Camera with LCD keyboard (1)

Ben174 (853174) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463101)

... and GPS.

Interesting, but useful? (1)

SubliminalVortex (942332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461081)

It's an interesting concept for people who are going on vacation. But imagine all the noise it would generate. Imagine, I could note all the toilets I had to clean! (...and you'd know if I did a good job when you visted them on vacation.) As long as the filtering is good, it sounds like an interesting idea. Myself, I don't like to go out and do much unless I can see it's actually worth the time. Perhaps some of the pictures (and no, not of intoxicated women) might be influential as to where one might choose their next vacation spot.

Imagine (1)

dubonbacon (866462) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461169)

GPS Data + compass information embedded in photos worldwide

Re:Imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461229)

you can attach a gps to Nikon D1's and D2's cameras already and location is saved in the exif data!

Before you get too excited... (4, Informative)

djupedal (584558) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461275)

"Try finding that in a guidebook."

The 'Lonely Planet' book series made all the difference when I first came to Asia...even inside China, 15 ~ years back. I'm sure metadata will be huge, someday. But it follows on the heals of other terrific resources that have already 'been there, done that' and will continue for quite some time I am sure.

I learned how to get the local Chinese police to help move me to my next destination - If you were caught inside the frontier, they were ordered to return you to the last city you visited. The trick was to tell them your next city instead of the last one - they would load you up and happily take you on to your next destination. Courtesy Lonely Planet - try finding that kind of help w/Flcker :)

Re:Before you get too excited... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19461429)

Here are my personal observations from spending 1 month in China back in 1997.

The thing I remember most from my trip to China is the bodycount. I've never seen so many corpses lying around on the streets anywhere as I did on an early morning busride from Qufu to Jinan. I saw the remains of over 30 (we stopped counting at 30.. there were more) fatal vehicle accidents which ranged from cars and trucks hitting each other, pedestrians, bicyclists, immovable objects, and a donkey in one case. It was explained to me that the drivers in that particular area (province?) feel they conserve gas by driving without their headlights on at night (which I observed). I also noted in this area there generally weren't street lights.

A train ride from Qufu to Xi'an was also noteworthy in that our train apparently struck someone. The train came to a stop with the body right outside the train car behind mine. I watched in amazement as about 6 Chinese officials (I'm calling them officials because they appeared to be wearing uniforms) got off the train and stood around the body kicking/prodding it. They eventually (after about 5 minutes) dragged it onto the middle of the set of train tracks alongside ours, got back on our train and we continued on our (less-merry) way.

A taxi ride to get to a train station in Tsingdao resulted in police action against our taxi driver. While enroute, our taxi driver was waved to the side of the road by what appeared to be a police or military officer. The officer-type walked over to our cab and started arguing with the taxi driver. The driver pointed back at us. The cop-type person reached up and pulled the taxi sign off our driver's roof and started walking away. Our driver got out and went walking after the officer, at which point the officer turned around, drew his firearm (some kind of short-stock ak47 looking machinegun thing) and pointed it at the driver. My friend and I exited the cab and went running for the train station which was in view down the street.

I admit that most of these impressions I was left with were formed through a haze of not being remotely able to speak/parse/understand the Chinese language, but I'm certainly of the impression that actions speak louder than words. I have a slew of pictures and other impressions, but these are definitely the strongest. Its been 10 years since then and I remember the whole of the trip as if it were yesterday. While you would be hard-pressed to convince me to return, I am glad I went.

Re:Before you get too excited... (3, Informative)

djupedal (584558) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461503)

"While you would be hard-pressed to convince me to return, I am glad I went."

Reminds me of the one visit I paid to Compton, southern Calif, back in....1978? Except I wasn't the least bit glad I went.

That person the train hit was most likely a suicide. Those uniforms were soldiers, assigned to ride the trains in case of trouble. Today, there are regular police, however, looking for baggage thieves, pickpockets, swindlers running cons, etc.

Same as in Japan, except in Japan you are expected to not pull this kind of stunt either during rush hour, or on a busy line so as to cause the least trouble to the fewest commuters. They used to publish monthly listings of the best places to jump onto the tracks... I think in the last 5 years, I've seen less than 1/2 dozen bodies...mostly people from the country crossing busy streets or riding bicycles out in traffic.

Those decade old photos should be up on Google/Picasso, as an example. China has changed in so many ways in just the last ten years...of course, many things have not, but to see the cities grow can be interesting, I think :)

Re:Before you get too excited... (1)

Wabbit Wabbit (828630) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462423)

Those decade old photos should be up on Google/Picasso, as an example. China has changed in so many ways in just the last ten years...of course, many things have not, but to see the cities grow can be interesting, I think :)

Seconded. I would love to see these.

Re:Before you get too excited... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19463279)

The cop-type person reached up and pulled the taxi sign off our driver's roof and started walking away.
Uh... perhaps the policeman had noticed that your 'cab driver' was, in fact, driving a regular car (not a licensed taxi) with a fake taxi sign on the top of it? If you'd continued to your destination, the next item on your list of chilling tales would have been the taxi driver trying to charge you triple-fare and pulling out a gun/knife/whatever on you when you refused to pay.

That policeman probably saved you a fair bit of hassle.

Re:Before you get too excited... (1)

kklein (900361) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463413)

Heheh, it was the same in 1999, when I backpacked China for a month. But I've been back a few times, and it's really changing fast. The food is still incredible and cheap, but a lot of the crummy things are getting less and less crummy. Take another look!

Umm, I used it to inform but in a different way... (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461353)

I normally vacation on Hilton Head Island in SC. Been going there pretty much yearly since I was 9. Now that I'm married I have a timeshare on the island for the same week that I have been going my whole life.

This year we attempted to trade the timeshare (which used to be cake with RCI) but found that our choices (we wanted to go to Montana) were limited and RCI was being difficult. Because we traded out we weren't able to get back to our usual location in Hilton Head so we settled on nearby Edisto Beach, SC.

I have never been to Edisto Beach and knew nothing of it other than it's location on a map and what a few websites said about it. I immediately went to Flickr, searched for Edisto Beach [flickr.com] and scrolled through the results. After finding someone who I felt might want to answer some questions for me, I fired off a message and asked for some suggestions.

Now, while I could have done something like that years ago via various Internet communication mediums, photo-sharing sites have really stepped up the process IMHO. While I don't personally use Flickr (I won't pay to host my photos, I'm happy to host them myself [lazylightning.org] ) for my photos, I do enjoy the service that they provide for others to do so.

...or inform **and** bore (3, Insightful)

VidEdit (703021) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461357)

...being informative and being boring are not mutually exclusive. There is no reason vacation photos can't do **both**.

different sorts of vacations (1)

ssrs396 (988442) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461431)

For a long time I have been having trouble finding photos and facts on the good backpacking spots in Afghanistan. Maybe this will help.

Re:different sorts of vacations (1)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463209)

I'm sure it will in time but in the meantime I'd suggest you might be better off taking some time to visit a few mosques, any in Bradford, Birmingham or Leeds ought to do.

They have a wide range of travel tips for Afghanistan and will probably be able to arrange local guides for you and a short orientation to educate you on dealing with the local hazards. You may find it best to be based in Pakistan and travel over in company with some of the, colourful, local caravans which regulary travel in and out of the country.

Facebook is a contributor (2, Insightful)

daddyrief (910385) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461463)

I have a Facebook account, and I'd say at least 3/4 of the pictures uploaded by people I know have each person in a picture tagged, and about half of all pictures have a Description tag filled out. It makes sense, though, seeing as how hundreds upon hundreds of pictures can accumulate. It makes searching later much more convenient.

Is slashdot becoming Flickr fan ? (1)

karvind (833059) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461533)

Is it me or there are way many too many stories about Flickr recently (including the censorship)? Can I have my Google stories back please. Thanks.

Been there, done that (4, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461549)

Any open system of that allows open submission of audience created data will, as soon as it becomes popular enough, be abused by commercial interests. Planning a trip to Cancun, most hits will be fly by night vacation offers. Planning a trip to the Philippines, most ads will soon be targeted to the exotic sex tourist. The signal to noise ratio, even with rated content, quickly becomes overwhelming.

The only way that metadata can become useful is if there is little commercial interest and the normal urge for mere annoyance is purposefully squelched.

The biggest problem (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461697)

The biggest problem with Metadata is that nobody wants to take the time to enter the data. The programs are there. It can be done, but nobody wants to spend as much time managing the metadata as they do doing the things that the pictures are depicting. Maybe if you had a camera with built in GPS, you could know where every picture was taken. But then again, you'd probably want some of that info stripped before it was uploaded to flickr and others, because you don't want everyone knowing exactly where every picture was taken.

Re:The biggest problem (1)

Riktov (632) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463049)

And because tagging is such a time-consuming process, Flickr lets people batch tag all uploaded images at once -- which just makes things WORSE. If I search for "F-15", 75% percent of the pictures don't even have an F-15 in them because they were batch uploaded by someone who applied the tag of every item depicted in any of the photos, resulting in every photo having the same 20 tags, 18 of which are incorrect for that photo.

Re:The biggest problem (1)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 7 years ago | (#19463221)

Yeah, this is really annoying. People often call all their holiday photo something like "London" "Holiday" and the spend most of the holiday outside London so any searchs just turn up a load of irrelevant stuff.

Goatse Geomapped, Finally! (4, Funny)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 7 years ago | (#19461743)

Finally I can geomap Goatse pictures to make for a more efficient search.

Check it out [flickr.com] .

This technology is great!

mod parent funny (2, Informative)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462491)

its actually quite hilarious, check out the link - there's no actual goatse buried in there anywhere - people making goatse cookies, painting goatse references on things, bumper stickers, etc

Re:mod parent funny (1)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462727)

I noticed that, too. And frankly, I'm glad. I'd much rather see random goatse-tagged photos than actual... well... you know. *shudder*

oh, oops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19462191)

'graffiti,' and 'New York City'

Oh snap, I've been tagging my photos "urban art" and "NYC". I guess this whole tagging phenomenon ISN'T THAT GREAT, eh?

Please Be Careful With This (1)

padlocked.swings (1113899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462397)

I would like to suggest that we be careful with this type of feature. The more information that we make available about ourselves on any network service or device means that much more data that people whom we don't want anything to do with can get at that data.

I will use the old fashioned ways of photos and vacations, thank you.

From the playgrounds of Winchester, I am . . .

padlocked.swings

Catholics (1)

BrianRagle (1016523) | more than 7 years ago | (#19462807)

Okay, maybe I need new contact lenses or maybe I have had one too many Alaskan Ambers, but did ANYONE else read the headline as "Vatican Photos That Inform Instead of Bore" and clicked immediately to see what new mischief Pope Benny has been up to? Anyone?
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