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Apple Confirms No (Default) ZFS In Leopard

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the zf-never dept.

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javipas writes "Despite recent rumors about the possible inclusion of ZFS as the filesystem of choice for MacOS X 10.5 'Leopard', an Apple executive has denied this possibility. Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS has as much as said 'ZFS is not happening ... Croll declined to comment on statements made last week by Sun Chief Executive Jonathan Schwartz, who said the use of ZFS would be announced at the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco. Upon further questioning, Croll would only confirm that Apple had never said ZFS would be a part of Leopard. A representative with Sun did not have any immediate comment.' Users of the future operating system will have to keep working with HFS+, a filesystem that is almost ten years old now." Update: 06/12 19:57 GMT by KD : An Apple spokesman contacted InformationWeek with a correction, which they ran as a comment on their original story: What Apple meant to say was, "ZFS would be available as a limited option, but not as the default file system."

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Haven't you learned anything Sun? (4, Funny)

dthirteen (307585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479129)

Nobody scoops Steve Jobs...

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (5, Interesting)

Raindance (680694) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479169)

I agree.

Jonathan *had* to know he might get burned for spilling the beans before Steve. Jobs has a track record of being harsh, almost vindictive in his dealings with companies which betray his trust.

Exhibit A [insanely-great.com] : Samsung runs their mouth about being selected to supply software to drive the next-gen iPod Nano. Apple turns around and drops them.

Exhibit B [geek.com] : ATI runs their mouth about some specs for new macs before Macworld. Apple removes ATI boards from their computers and refuses to offer them as a build-to-order.

Simply put, don't try to scoop The Steve.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479237)

Kinda sounds like a pouting little bitch.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479295)

Just like any Mac user.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (1, Flamebait)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479715)

Wow, the fanboi zealots are out in full swing today modding down anything that's anti-mac eh?

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479779)

No, they're modding down posts that are clearly nothing more than contentless flamebait. But you just keep on fightin' the good fight against "the man".

learn this, bitch (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479919)

..or a cocksucking beanbag jew making propeller-hat comments sipping Pepsi-through-straw from his hatholder -sidings.

everyone is a pouting bitch, starting with _you_.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (1)

Black-Man (198831) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479659)

Just makes the doubters of him as CEO material all the more relevant. He should of known better.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479923)

Ok. I am German. But even I do know that it should be "have" instead of "of". Where do you come from?

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19480015)

You are correct, even for a german (no offense I'm 1/4 german)...

'should of' happens to sounds like 'should've'... so unless you've seen it written down you might never know the correct spelling.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19480155)

This is a fairly common Amerikkkan mistake. I used to make it all the time. In speech, we generally contract "should have" to "should've," which sounds like "should of."

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (5, Interesting)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479703)

ATI runs their mouth about some specs for new macs before Macworld. Apple removes ATI boards from their computers and refuses to offer them as a build-to-order.

Which really underscores the stupidity of Steve's arrogance. I'm sure ATI wanted that contract, it was a nice contract, but Apple is NOTHING in the great scheme of the PC market. And there aren't that many major players in the high-end graphic chip game. Why play the prima donna, when he might have to deal with them in the future?

Considering ATI's drivers... (2, Insightful)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480013)

...for Linux bite the bag, and at least NVidia's and Intel's are worth using, this is a blessing in disguise for all those who intend to use Linux with their MacIntels. No big loss.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (1)

fizzup (788545) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480049)

Which really underscores the stupidity of Steve's arrogance. I'm sure ATI wanted that contract, it was a nice contract, but Apple is NOTHING in the great scheme of the PC market. And there aren't that many major players in the high-end graphic chip game. Why play the prima donna, when he might have to deal with them in the future?

If you want suppliers to behave in a certain way, you have to squish their nuts when they don't. I'm sure ATI wanted the deal, but thought that Apple was small enough to push around. Turns out, nope.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (5, Interesting)

TheWizardTim (599546) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479287)

When I worked for Apple, at 6am ATI let slip that they were making cards for The PowerMac and "something else". That "something else" was the cube. My boss got a call about 5 minutes later from Steve telling us to remove all references to ATI on all web pages, in 17 languages, by 9am.

Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun? (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479825)

In a parallel announcement, Apple announced that Leopard would be delayed by an additional two months. While the immediate cause is presumed to be the ordered removal of ZFS from Leopard, insiders claim that the root cause was "a hissy fit."

Wow, 10 years old?! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479137)

Too bad NTFS is almost 15, and I heard FAT stopped counting (because of a technical limitation).

Re:Wow, 10 years old?! (2, Insightful)

bark (582535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479333)

but seriously, what does age have anything to do with the suitability of the os? Linux has used ext2fs for a long time, and only in the last 4 or 5 years migrated to ext3fs.

Certain filesystems have been around forever, gaining incremental improvements with the years.

Re:Wow, 10 years old?! (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479781)

I'm with you on that too - UFS has been around forever as well, only seeing incremental updates from Sun and BSD - adding stuff like journaling and support for larger drives. Why go with a whole new fs?

Re:Wow, 10 years old?! (1)

Crazy Taco (1083423) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480039)

And ext3 actually is just ext2 with journaling. Hence the reason the Linux command for formatting a partition with ext2 is "mk2fs", and ext3 is "mk2fs -j".

Problems with old file systems (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479445)

FAT stopped counting after a stroke. FAT can still write down a number, but can no longer verbalize them.

Old file systems also have other problem. They are always repeating themselves and losing things, they get cranky all the time, and telling stories that go nowhere instead of simply reading and writing. And they start to get this weird smell.

Mac OS X Leopard (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479155)

Apple has beaten the world's most popular desktop operating system and the world's most popular Unixalike to the punch with multi-platform support. At Monday's WWDC07 Apple, Inc. CEO Steve Jobs revealed that, when Leopard ships, it will install and run on every one of its supported architectures from one DVD without bothering the user. And the more featured your system is, the more features Leopard will automatically enable.

For example, a user can use the same DVD to install Mac OS X on a dual 533 MHz Power Mac G4, a 32-bit Core Solo Mac mini, a 64-bit Power Mac G5 Quad, and a 64-bit Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro. It even goes so far as to allow 64-bit apps without a 32-bit binary to run in 32-bit mode transparently, which is unprecedented thus far.

Windows, on the other hand, requires a different 32- or 64-bit version for each of its six flavors. So once you decide you want, say, Windows Professional Enterprise, you need to make sure it comes with 64-bit support. Otherwise, you'll be stuck booting your chip in 32-bit mode. Apps must be written and released for 32- or 64-bit and can't run otherwise. This limits users of older systems with Pentium III processors, for example, from running a 64-bit version of a popular game.

Linux eats dust in the race for 64-bit desktopedness too. With Ubuntu 7.05, the latest stable release, things have gotten simpler but still don't stack up to Leopard. So while you can download one version of Ubuntu for both 32- and 64-bit x86, if you want to run 32-bit programs on a 64-bit system you have to download a compatibility layer, check library dependencies, and compile it yourself. 64-bit programs won't work on a 32-bit arch, simply returning an error code and quitting.

That only counts for Intel and AMD, however. Other architectures supported by Linux, which number in the dozens and include 68k, ARM, Power, and SPARC among others, are one-at-a-time installs only and don't have any compatibility between 32- and 64-bit versions. So a user wanting to install on a 32-bit SPARC system from Sun will have to go out and purchase another completely different disc for installation on a 64-bit UltraSPARC system even tho both processors use the same instruction set.

At most, when counting Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server as two different "versions" of the operating system, you still have only to choose one and are then done with it. Each installs on all four architectures seamlessly and silently.

Windows comes to a total of twelves versions: 32- and 64-bit for each six editions. The number jumps to twenty-four when you consider that you must also choose whether to buy the retail or upgrade versions. This is simply too much work for most people whether they're doing personal use or IT.

Linux does little better, as above with the old download/compile scheme for legacy support. The kicker is that most other distributions of Linux don't even do that well. A user with Fedora Core 7 will still need to hunt down a different ISO for each and every nuance of processor, a real shame since Linux developers sit and scratch their heads over why Linux is still not ready for the desktop.

Come October, Mac OS X will serve everyone with one price, one version, one install: one vision of simple 64-bit desktop goodness.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

u-bend (1095729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479221)

My friend, my friend, though I agree with much of what you say, do you not realize that ./ will now tear you to shreds as a rabid Mac "advertisement-in-a-post" fanboi? What? You're posting anonymously, you say? Oh, carry on, and don't look back at the carnage you left here...
;)

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

sprag (38460) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479251)

64-bit apps on 32 bit cpus? Got a source for that? Sounds a bit far-fetched since it would basically mean a pile of emulation that'd make the app slow as molasses.

As far as Fedora 7 goes, I had a single rescue CD I installed from and then everything else just comes in as needed from the net. No "hunting down a different ISO for each and every nuance of processor". I haven't had to compile anything (including getting MP3s, DVDs and other non-free things working).

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479383)

I agree it's doubtful and would have an impact on performance. In fact, I believe I saw the source for this statement, and interpreted it the same way (with some skepticism) at first. The skepticism was eventually rewarded, and I figured out it wasn't meant to be read this way...

However, it seems that if 64 bit operations were implemented as calls to a global table, the cost wouldn't be unreasonably high. It would certainly be slower than code actually tuned for 32-bit CPUs, and it would also have some impact on the performance on 64-bit code running on 64-bit CPUs.

Again, unlikely. Just barely possible, though.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479515)

The source for the 64-bit and 32-bit integration, whatever its extent, is probably the keynote itself: http://apple.com/quicktime/qtv/keynote/ [apple.com]

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

kanweg (771128) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479907)

As I understand it, you should distinguish between hardware and software. Macs (i.e. hardware) are shipping for several years now capable of 64 bit. However, 64 bit has twice as much byte requirements, so it isn't always more efficient. Leopard will be capable of running both 64 bit apps and 32 bit apps at the same time.

So, this has nothing to do with running apps on 32 bit hardware. There's plenty 64 bit Mac hardware out there.

Bert

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

smartin (942) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479255)

Linux does little better, as above with the old download/compile scheme for legacy support. The kicker is that most other distributions of Linux don't even do that well. A user with Fedora Core 7 will still need to hunt down a different ISO for each and every nuance of processor, a real shame since Linux developers sit and scratch their heads over why Linux is still not ready for the desktop.

For each nuance of processor? hmm, 32 vs 64 bit not really what i would call a nuance.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479261)

Nigger, please! I'm a recent Mac convert who loves my machine, but come one. Leopard has a VERY, VERY limited number of hardware configurations that it has to support. When you stack up the hardware supported by Leopard and compare it to that supported by Windows and Linux it's not even close. So yeah, Leopard might handle the jump from 32-bit to 64-bit software/hardware better than Windows and Linux, but if you opt for Leopard you have to buy Apple hardware and you'll have a very, very limited set of hardware upgrade options down the road.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479275)

> Mac OS X will serve everyone with one price, one version, one install: one vision of simple 64-bit desktop goodness

Microsoft could take some tips from Apple to make their OS more global. First they should declare Windows will no longer on Dells, HPs, eMachines, SONYs, Toshibas and several hundred other vendors. It will only run on Microsoft's branded machines that will have nice features but cost a little more than they used to.
That should make it easier to make Windows compatible with as many machines as Apple.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479323)

I can agree on your point to a degree because of the different ways the OS is distributed, but from all accounts people have been managing to get OSX installed on Dells, Toshiba's, tablets and even those UMPC's for a while now.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479439)

With custom, unsupported drivers.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

cHiphead (17854) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480143)

Last time I checked the majority of the drivers I install on Windows come back as 'unsigned' with a big ugly warning message.

Unsupported drivers is not a good excuse, WORKING drivers is what matters.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479895)

Microsoft could take some tips from Apple to make their OS more global.

Good idea - let's go after the business model which holds 5% market share and try to be more like them... Honestly, hate or love Microsoft, their model's worked for them so far. Apple might be nibbling at their heels, but there's certain price barriers that Apple just doesn't understand. I can drop $500 and get a pretty kick-ass Windows box. I think $500 gets me an iPhone.

But my post will never see the light of day as I'll be seen as anti-Apple and Pro-Microsoft which isn't the case. I run Linux on my laptop and despise Microsoft, but like it or not they are a dominant force in the desktop OS.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (1)

Sketch (2817) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479329)

Linux does little better, as above with the old download/compile scheme for legacy support. The kicker is that most other distributions of Linux don't even do that well. A user with Fedora Core 7 will still need to hunt down a different ISO for each and every nuance of processor
I like how a "different architecture" is now a "nuance of a processor".

By the way, there are only 3 versions of Fedora. i386, x86_64, and PPC. So Leopard only has Fedora beat by 1 edition.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (5, Insightful)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479407)

It even goes so far as to allow 64-bit apps without a 32-bit binary to run in 32-bit mode transparently, which is unprecedented thus far.

Almost as unprecedented as a Mac zealot making hilariously inaccurate technical claims because they simply don't understand what they're talking about, but don't see that a justification for keeping their mouths shut.

Come October, Mac OS X will serve everyone with one price, one version, one install: one vision of simple 64-bit desktop goodness.

I made a deal with a hitman. If I ever fall in love with a company to that extent he's going to come round and shoot me in the face. I find it a more palatable option than allowing myself to become a PR spewing corporate cocksucker.

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479527)

I made a deal with a hitman. If I ever fall in love with a company to that extent he's going to come round and shoot me in the face. I find it a more palatable option than allowing myself to become a PR spewing corporate cocksucker.

What do you think you're doing by posting on Slashdot?

Re:Mac OS X Leopard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479519)

Come October, Mac OS X will serve everyone with one price, one version, one install: one vision of simple 64-bit desktop goodness.

Ein volk, ein reich, ein OSX?

Ooookaaaay... (5, Insightful)

gentlemen_loser (817960) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479197)

"Users of the future operating system will have to keep working with HFS+, a filesystem that is almost ten years old now."

Yes, because a file system is something that should definitely be re-designed every two years or so. You know, just to stay "current"...

Re:Ooookaaaay... (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479227)

Oh, come on. It's Zonk. Of course the comment at the end of the story is painfully stupid.

He'll eventually die from trying to upgrade to a more modern metabolism instead of this crappy carbon/oxygen system, a system MUCH older than HFS+.

Re:Ooookaaaay... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479401)

Oh, come on. It's Zonk. Of course the comment at the end of the story is painfully stupid.

Too bad it was javipas that wrote that and not Zonk, otherwise your rant might have meant something. I find it very sad that someone who's been here for so long still can't figure out which parts of the summary are user-submitted and which parts are editorial commentary.

Re:Ooookaaaay... (4, Funny)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479435)

You have a point. I guess I'm just used to assuming that the thing at the end which makes no sense comes from Zonk. :)

Re:Ooookaaaay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479473)

Touche

Re:Ooookaaaay... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479371)

Yes, because a file system is something that should definitely be re-designed every two years or so. You know, just to stay "current"...

Is there any doubt that ZFS would provide superior functionality as compared to HFS+?

Are there any drawbacks to using ZFS as a replacement for HFS+?

Re:Ooookaaaay... (1)

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Re:Ooookaaaay... (1)

rhavenn (97211) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479565)

Are there any drawbacks to using ZFS as a replacement for HFS+?
Yeap. It's new. It hasn't been fully tested and may or may not cause instability. In addition, for most people it isn't going to help them or offer them anything new.

The large movie houses, animation studios and ad agencies might want this, but that's about it.

Re:Ooookaaaay... (1)

kithrup (778358) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479669)

The advantages of ZFS are the built-in volume management (or "volume-like management," depending on your perspective), and the data integrity.

The disadvantage is... the data integrity. Every byte of data gets checksummed. This is going to affect performance -- HFS+ will normally write large chunks of data with as little copying as possible, and there are non-standard ways to get no copying (other than to/from the disk). ZFS doesn't have that; the data are always examined. And this slows things down. Sun doesn't have so much of a problem with this, as their machines have enough CPUs, and enough bus, to effectively dedicate a CPU to the filesystem. Macs, not so much.

Don't get me wrong... ZFS is really cool, and I'd love to see it on Mac OS X. But it's not a panacaea.

Sun is shipping it (2, Insightful)

Nicolas MONNET (4727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479819)

Sun is shipping it for use in "enterprise" setups.

Their core business is very expensive hardware and software for demanding users: banks and the likes.

If you've gotta give the benefit of the doubt to someone in this area, it's gotta be Sun.

Re:Ooookaaaay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479585)

Is there any doubt that ZFS would provide superior functionality as compared to HFS+?

Nope.

Are there any drawbacks to using ZFS as a replacement for HFS+?

Umm ... not working yet, perhaps? *tongue-in-cheek

The priceless thing about this announcement is having all the Macheads that went "Leopard will be so hip, full of advanced filesystem goodness - all you other lusers will have to play catch-up" now rationalize why ZFS was not a good choice for Leopard anyway. Myself, I'd say this is beginning to feel like WinFS, only in an Apple-twisted kind of way where the hype is carried by the fan-base rumor-mill instead of the official company line. Uh, and Sun's Schwartz, although I'm not sure whether that one is counted in the fan-base population or not. *grin

Re:Ooookaaaay... (2, Insightful)

Scudsucker (17617) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479663)

The priceless thing about this announcement is having all the Macheads that went "Leopard will be so hip, full of advanced filesystem goodness - all you other lusers will have to play catch-up" now rationalize why ZFS was not a good choice for Leopard anyway.

Which Macheads, exactly.

Re:Ooookaaaay... (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479879)

Yes, I have doubts. Not long term doubts, though, just short term doubts.

Re:Ooookaaaay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479745)

Not only does it need to remain "current", the filesystem needs to be tricked out with all the latest styles. "d00d! My filesystem has these wicked ground effects every time it finds a detached inode! You gotta see this!"

Yeah. So? (0, Redundant)

iknownuttin (1099999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479205)

Users of the future operating system will have to keep working with HFS+, a filesystem that is almost ten years old now.

Is that a problem? I would think the fs would be pretty damned solid by now.

Re:Yeah. So? (2, Insightful)

linefeed0 (550967) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479909)

You'd think so. You'd be wrong. Ever seen an "invalid sibling link"? I did, oh, in 1996, with the original HFS. Also this past year on a Tiger server. I suspect there was something wrong with the RAID controller, but a filesystem that relies on b-trees really should be able to at least try to repair them. HFS+ has good company, though. XFS from SGI (on Linux) has tons of stupid bugs, omissions, and corner cases; NTFS certainly has its share of "fun"; and I haven't used reiserfs enough to really know how stable it is. I do like JFS, though, even though it's not the fastest in the world.

Senior Director of Product Marketing (5, Funny)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479233)

Why do reporters insist on interviewing marketing goons to uncover tech specs? This guy probably thought the reporter was asking if Leopard was going to include Zurich Financial Services.

Re:Senior Director of Product Marketing (1)

AndyboyH (837116) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479359)

I used all my mod points this morning, but I'd have modded you up :)

Re:Senior Director of Product Marketing (0, Troll)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480079)

Probably because those are the people who have all the extra time to talk to them. The engineers are busy trying to get the OS on the shelves.

Thou shalt not leak apple secrets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479245)

My guess is that ZFS was in Leopard but they removed it to punish Sun for the leak.

Leopard is like vista, all the good has been cut (1)

Asshat_Nazi (946431) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479247)

anyhoo, on with the trolling!!

I submit David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist
And I have the proof

How can one explain the phenomenal global success of one of this country's least talented individuals? There are only three ways.

* Mr. Hasselhoff actually is talented, but this goes unnoticed in his own country.
* Mr. Hasselhoff has sold his soul to Satan in return for global success.
* David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist.

I vote for the latter -- and perhaps, after seeing the facts involved, the rest of the world will agree.

The Facts First, the obvious. Add a little beard and a couple of horns -- David Hasselhoff looks like the Devil, doesn't he? And the letters in his name can be rearranged to spell fad of devil's hash.

What does this mean? Well, Baywatch is David's fad. David is the devil. The Hash is what makes Knight Rider popular in Amsterdam.

(I was actually hoping to make the letters in his name spell out he is of the devil, which would be possible if his middle name was "Ethesis," which it might be. I'm sure his publicist would hide such a middle name if it were true.)

Second -- and most importantly -- David Hasselhoff and his television series were foretold in the Bible. Biblical scholars worldwide may quibble over interpretations, but they all agree on this. For a few telling examples let's skip to the end of the Bible. If any book of the Bible will tell us who the AntiChrist is, it's the Revelation of Saint John, which basically describes the AntiChrist and the Armageddon He causes. I'll just give you the verse, and the current theological interpretation of that verse.

Who is the Beast?
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns The Beast, of course, is David Hasselhoff. The Heads are His separate television incarnations. Young and the Restless, Revenge of the Cheerleaders, Knight Rider, Terror at London Bridge, Ring of the Musketeers, Baywatch and Baywatch Nights. The ten horns represent His musical releases: Crazy For You, David, David Hasselhoff, Do You Love Me?, Du, Everybody Sunshine, I Believe, Looking For Freedom, Night Lover and Night Rockers. Not only does Mitch The Lifeguard literally "rise out of the sea" on Baywatch, but David's musical career has mostly occurred in Europe, a metaphoric rise to fame from across the sea. Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Of course, this is a reference to his third head: Knight of the Phoenix, the first episode of Knight Rider. In this episode, "Michael Long, a policeman, is shot and left for dead. The shot is deflected by a plate in his head, but ruins his face. He is saved and his face reconstructed. He is reluctant, but agrees to use K.I.T.T. to help the Foundation for Law and Government fight criminals who are 'beyond the reach of the law'. " Knight Rider has been shown in 82 countries. Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. The following blasphemies are actual quotes from David Hasselhoff -- I read these while he was 42 years old.
"I'm good-looking, and I make a lot of money."

"There are many dying children out there whose last wish is to meet me."

"I'm six foot four, an all-American guy, and handsome and talented as well!"

"Before long, I'll have my own channel -- I'll be like Barney."

"(Baywatch) is responsible for a lot of world peace." which the Hoff said at the Bollywood Oscars. Don't believe me? Read the original article!

And here's a blasphemy that came from David's recent (Feb 2004) visit to the Berlin Wall museum. I couldn't have made something this great up by myself. He was upset that the museum didn't spend more time devoted to his personal role in the fall of Communism. You can read more about it here, if you don't believe me.

The Second Beast: Television
Rev 13:11-13And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

The Second Beast, with it's dual antennae, is obviously the Television -- merely a pawn in Hasselhoff's underworldly regime. His stereo speaker (the dragon's voice) spews forth the blasphemy of Baywatch until He has caused all people of the earth to worship and watch Baywatch and Baywatch Nights. How well has he done? Baywatch is now seen by about one billion viewers in 140 countries -- the most watched series ever.

You probably never knew this, but the entire historical purpose of television has been to attract a worldwide audience for the eventual syndication of Baywatch. And how does it accomplish this global distribution? Via satellite - from heaven to the Earth.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. How does television work? By giving life unto Hasselhoff's image. I'm pretty sure the second part hasn't happened yet.

Lifeguards: Denizens of the Underworld

These biblical revelations will show that the lifeguards on Baywatch are foretold as servants of the Devil. (Need I say who that is again?)
Rev 20:11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them

Rev 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them...
Doesn't this sound like an exact description of what the lifeguards on Baywatch do? They sit on their big white wooden throne, and watch out over the sea -- waiting for a dying person to get cast up. Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek to find death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

One word: CPR
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, Sounds like a lifeguard, eh? Standing on the beach reading a paperback?

Rev 17:3-5 ...and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

and if that wasn't enough, try Ezekiel 23:17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

The fabled "Whore of Babylon." Well, people have been calling Hollywood "Babylon" since long before I was making web pages. And of all the women in Hollywood, whose wedding night video is the most popular? Hmmm.... Did someone say "Barb Wire?"
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more Do you know any merchants who invested heavily in the acting career of this "whore of Babylon?" I've seen that "VIP" show of hers, and I'd be weeping if I had spent money on the merchandising rights.
Rev. 18:21 ... a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea,...

Speaking of lifeguards chucking rocks at innocent people, listen to this excerpt from a recent lawsuit against his Hasselness: "while Plaintiff was in the audience of the Rosie O'Donnell Show, Defendandt DAVID HASSELHOFF came on stage and threw a stack of cards depicting himself into the audience, striking Plaintiff in the eye. . . [he] should have known that throwing cards into an audience could cause injury to the audience."
Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. He stands to lose money in this lawsuit -- or maybe even all those dainty and goodly things he bought.

The Number of the Beast
The Bible shows us another way to prove a person is the AntiChrist, namely through numerology. Rev 13:18 says: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

That's a bit cryptic, to be sure. One score is twenty, so threescore is 60, the number of the beast is 666.

Now, the way biblical scholars and numerologists usually convert the names of men into their numbers is through a simple numerical code. Let's assign the 26 letters of the alphabet the numbers 1 through 26. It looks like this:

a 1 i 9 q 17 y 25

b 2 j 10 r 18 z 26

c 3 k 11 s 19

d 4 l 12 t 20

e 5 m 13 u 21

f 6 n 14 v 22

g 7 o 15 w 23

h 8 p 16 x 24

Now, we take the letters from Mr. Hasselhoff's name, assign numbers to them, and calculate his number.

D A V I D H A S S E L H O F F

4 1 22 9 4 8 1 19 19 5 12 8 15 6 6

Now, since thirteen is such a fitting number for evil, let's multiply the first 13 numbers together. The total (65,874,124,800) is approximately 6.6 billion. Tack on the remaining 6's from the end of his name, and you've got yourself the mark of the beast.

Another tactic you could use would be to add the letters in "David" (I think you should get 40) and the letters in Hasselhoff (99) and then multiply them together. 40 x 99 = 3960. Now, 3960 is 660 x 6. And of course, 660 plus 6 is -- again -- the mark of the beast.

Not enough proof for you? Well, let's see what else the winning combination of the Bible and numerology have in store for David.....

As he explains it in his interview, David Hasselhoff first decided to act at the age of 7 when he saw a local production of Rumplestiltskin. His acting debut was in Peter Pan. Knight Rider ended its run in 1986, when Hasselhoff was 32. Baywatch debuted in 1989, when Hasselhoff was 35. His first televised role was as Snapper Foster on the Young and the Restless at the age of 19. If we look at the 37th chapter of the 19th book of the Bible (Psalms) -- at verses 32 and 35, we notice an interesting phenomenon. Take a look:

32. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
35. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.

Viewers of Baywatch may have thought they were watching the good leader Mitch Buchannon -- whose main job as head lifeguard is to watch over the righteous babes at the beach, and save them. According to the Bible, he is really trying to slay them. But can we be sure that the show in question is actually Baywatch? Well, count the number of letters in Rumplestiltskin and Peter Pan. 15 and 8, right? Now look at those bible verses again. Find the 15th word of verse 35 - and the 8th word from the end of verse 32. Put them together. 35. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree. 32. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.

In internet years--- (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479253)

it's positively ancient, but it's not as old as ext2/ext3.

Better switch to something new before parts start rotting and falling off.

*BSD's ufs is how old? I wouldn't trust that if my life depended on it.

Retribution (4, Interesting)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479277)

I'm not saying this is retailatory... But this wouldn't be the first time Apple has gone out of it's way to punish partners for making preemptive announcements about Apples products. One may recall not too many years ago ATI making a show about Apple using their video cards just before another WWDC (maybe it was Macworld, I forget). Apple proceeded to spend the night pulling ATI's cards from their ready to ship Macs. In keynote the following morning Steve Jobs announced (surely with ATI execs in the front row) that nVidia was their premier partner for Mac video. It has been said that it was 6 monts before ATI execs could get even an executive secretary on the phone.

Re:Retribution (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479529)

It sounds retaliatory. Seriously, Apple doesn't like things to be pre-announced and I'm sure that they had a contingency in place just in case of such things.

Re:Retribution (4, Insightful)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479727)

For the sake of argument, how would it have sounded different if Apple just had never planned on shipping ZFS as the defualt file system?

Re:Retribution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479823)

There's an article here [zdnet.com] . I believe the shipped Macs still went with ATI, but they removed all references to ATI from the keynote and exhibit hall and gave ATI the cold shoulder for a while.

Re:Retribution (3, Insightful)

Bassman59 (519820) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479851)

I'm not saying this is retailatory... But this wouldn't be the first time Apple has gone out of it's way to punish partners for making preemptive announcements about Apples products. One may recall not too many years ago ATI making a show about Apple using their video cards just before another WWDC (maybe it was Macworld, I forget). Apple proceeded to spend the night pulling ATI's cards from their ready to ship Macs.

This really doesn't make any sense. Why would Apple have had tens of thousands of nVidia cards, something that otherwise they wouldn't be using, just sitting around?

Re:Retribution (3, Insightful)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479943)

I'm not saying this is retailatory... But this wouldn't be the first time Apple has gone out of it's way to punish partners for making preemptive announcements about Apples products. One may recall not too many years ago ATI making a show about Apple using their video cards just before another WWDC (maybe it was Macworld, I forget). Apple proceeded to spend the night pulling ATI's cards from their ready to ship Macs. In keynote the following morning Steve Jobs announced (surely with ATI execs in the front row) that nVidia was their premier partner for Mac video. It has been said that it was 6 monts before ATI execs could get even an executive secretary on the phone.

If this is simply retaliatory and not a readiness issue, then Apple is seriously undermining its own products in favor of PR. The truth of the matter is that it doesn't much matter if Samsung coded solutions for Apple or someone else did it, and it didn't particularly matter if ATI made the video cards or Nvidia, these companies can be switched out rather interchangeably. However, ZFS is a giant step forward in file systems and has loads more features than anything else, ripping it out just because they "spilled the beans" would be babyish and hostile. Any logical mind would reason that this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison of retaliation as there's no similar vendor. It's most likely a readiness issue.

Err...no he didn't. (5, Insightful)

mccalli (323026) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479289)

The TFA says:

"Croll declined to comment on statements made last week by Sun Chief Executive Jonathan Schwartz, who said the use of ZFS would be announced at the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco. Upon further questioning, Croll would only confirm that Apple had never said ZFS would be a part of Leopard."

That reads like "would neither confirm nor deny to our reporter" to me, not "has denied".

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Err...yes he did (1)

IronyChef (518287) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479729)

TFA first says:

During an interview with InformationWeek, Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS, said, "ZFS is not happening," when asked whether Sun's Zettabyte File System would be in Leopard.

The followup you quoted regards Croll not choosing to explain Schwartz' contradictory claim (hence the "retaliation" speculation.)

Re:Err...no he didn't. (3, Informative)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479831)

From the article:

During an interview with InformationWeek, Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS, said, "ZFS is not happening," when asked whether Sun's Zettabyte File System would be in Leopard. Instead, Leopard would use Apple's current hierarchical file system, called HFS+. The Apple file system was first introduced in 1998 in Mac OS 8.0.


What he declined to comment on was the comment made by the Sun executive, but he did comment on ZFS itself.

What the cat said (2, Informative)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479291)

"Upon further questioning, Croll would only confirm that Apple had never said ZFS would be a part of Leopard."

Obviously they haven't said anything about ZFS being included, but that doesn't imply they aren't including it. Sun might just have said something they weren't supposed to, or ZFS might just have been considered for inclusion. Who knows...

ZFS looks great but. (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479301)

It is really better for servers than a Workstation. It uses a lot of CPU power and adds features that no Workstation is likely to need for a while. It would be ideal for a NAS so maybe we will see it as an option on storage product from Apple.

Re:ZFS looks great but. (1)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479599)

And what are you doing with your 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo? What's more important - 2% of your dual core CPU, or 100% of your normally non-redundant data?

Re:ZFS looks great but. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479977)

On a laptop on battery power I'd rather it lasts longer than take the redundancy. Particularly since with something as prone to being stolen as a new shiny laptop only an idiot doesn't back up their data elsewhere anyway.

Re:ZFS looks great but. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479637)

There are several features that make ZFS useful in workstations as well as servers. ZFS has a lot to offer. Personally, after having a Mac for a while and then selling it, I'm waiting for ZFS before I buy another. That's how important ZFS on the Mac is to me.

For another opinion, see: http://mtrr.org/blog/?p=83 [mtrr.org]
Or you can Google for other reasons that ZFS is useful in workstations. It's not just for servers.

For one thing, the near free snapshot capability is extremely useful. Admittedly, in laptops with just one drive, you lose the benefits of what ZFS can do with multiple drives.

I'd also like to see a comparison between HFS+ and ZFS within Macs. I bet the CPU hit would be reasonable.

Re:ZFS looks great but. (2, Insightful)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480069)

I won't argue benefits, but I'd like to point out the FreeBSD 7-current implementation uses a lot of RAM. Apple doesn't ship enough RAM in their products as it is. I don't see this working well out of the box on desktops. Now, we might see it in OS X server and it may be in the client, but not pushed. Regardless, a serious RAM upgrade is needed. I think Sun even recommends at least 1GB of RAM to use ZFS on Solaris.

The other issue people aren't thinking about is making older Mac apps work on the new file system. Not all Mac apps work on UFS which is an option in OS X. Apple might have to wait on this until more people run on intel Macs.

reminds me of something (-1, Flamebait)

escay (923320) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479309)

can't help but draw a parallel here between Leopard dropping ZFS and Vista dropping WinFS, and see how the fanbois respond.

No matter what happened... (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479397)

"hurrah, bravo, genius..."

Re:reminds me of something (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479427)

Hmm yes. I can see the parallels. In one case, Microsoft started development on WinFS and then dropped it. In the other case, Apple NEVER intended to use ZFS, and still don't. No wait, what are the parallels again?

Re:reminds me of something (1)

monomania (595068) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479609)

...Leopard dropping ZFS ...

Why do you assume Leopard ever had ZFS?

Re:reminds me of something (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479771)

It was in (though I don't know if it was usable) several developer seeds. Also it looks like ZFS related tools are included with Leopard.

Re:reminds me of something (3, Informative)

Crazy Taco (1083423) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480151)

It was in the Leapord beta. I think that's a fairly good reason to make that assumption.

Re:reminds me of something (2, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479891)

On the one hand, MS was telling everyone for years about their new filesystem named WinFS. Actually if you consider the capabilities of WinFS and not just the name, MS promised that type of technology in Cairo over 10 years ago. On the other, Apple never said it was experimenting with ZFS much less that it was going to use it. A Sun exec said Apple would use it in Leopard based on the fact that Apple entered into an agreement to use ZFS. My viewpoint is that although Apple got rights to use it, that doesn't mean that they were going to base Leopard on it. I'm sure they experiment with all sorts of software including filesystems. Maybe in the future, Apple might replace HFS+ with ZFS but not right now.

What's wrong with HFS+? (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479319)

Fat32 isn't exactly young, it's used in many places. NTFS has been around for years. Ext2 likewise. They all work acceptably in the arenas they are designed for.

Leopard is like vista, all the good has been cut (1)

Asshat_Nazi_v2.0 (989409) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479367)

I submit David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist
And I have the proof

How can one explain the phenomenal global success of one of this country's least talented individuals? There are only three ways.

* Mr. Hasselhoff actually is talented, but this goes unnoticed in his own country.
* Mr. Hasselhoff has sold his soul to Satan in return for global success.
* David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist.

I vote for the latter -- and perhaps, after seeing the facts involved, the rest of the world will agree.

The Facts First, the obvious. Add a little beard and a couple of horns -- David Hasselhoff looks like the Devil, doesn't he? And the letters in his name can be rearranged to spell fad of devil's hash.

What does this mean? Well, Baywatch is David's fad. David is the devil. The Hash is what makes Knight Rider popular in Amsterdam.

(I was actually hoping to make the letters in his name spell out he is of the devil, which would be possible if his middle name was "Ethesis," which it might be. I'm sure his publicist would hide such a middle name if it were true.)

Second -- and most importantly -- David Hasselhoff and his television series were foretold in the Bible. Biblical scholars worldwide may quibble over interpretations, but they all agree on this. For a few telling examples let's skip to the end of the Bible. If any book of the Bible will tell us who the AntiChrist is, it's the Revelation of Saint John, which basically describes the AntiChrist and the Armageddon He causes. I'll just give you the verse, and the current theological interpretation of that verse.

Who is the Beast?
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns The Beast, of course, is David Hasselhoff. The Heads are His separate television incarnations. Young and the Restless, Revenge of the Cheerleaders, Knight Rider, Terror at London Bridge, Ring of the Musketeers, Baywatch and Baywatch Nights. The ten horns represent His musical releases: Crazy For You, David, David Hasselhoff, Do You Love Me?, Du, Everybody Sunshine, I Believe, Looking For Freedom, Night Lover and Night Rockers. Not only does Mitch The Lifeguard literally "rise out of the sea" on Baywatch, but David's musical career has mostly occurred in Europe, a metaphoric rise to fame from across the sea. Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Of course, this is a reference to his third head: Knight of the Phoenix, the first episode of Knight Rider. In this episode, "Michael Long, a policeman, is shot and left for dead. The shot is deflected by a plate in his head, but ruins his face. He is saved and his face reconstructed. He is reluctant, but agrees to use K.I.T.T. to help the Foundation for Law and Government fight criminals who are 'beyond the reach of the law'. " Knight Rider has been shown in 82 countries. Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. The following blasphemies are actual quotes from David Hasselhoff -- I read these while he was 42 years old.
"I'm good-looking, and I make a lot of money."

"There are many dying children out there whose last wish is to meet me."

"I'm six foot four, an all-American guy, and handsome and talented as well!"

"Before long, I'll have my own channel -- I'll be like Barney."

"(Baywatch) is responsible for a lot of world peace." which the Hoff said at the Bollywood Oscars. Don't believe me? Read the original article!

And here's a blasphemy that came from David's recent (Feb 2004) visit to the Berlin Wall museum. I couldn't have made something this great up by myself. He was upset that the museum didn't spend more time devoted to his personal role in the fall of Communism. You can read more about it here, if you don't believe me.

The Second Beast: Television
Rev 13:11-13And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

The Second Beast, with it's dual antennae, is obviously the Television -- merely a pawn in Hasselhoff's underworldly regime. His stereo speaker (the dragon's voice) spews forth the blasphemy of Baywatch until He has caused all people of the earth to worship and watch Baywatch and Baywatch Nights. How well has he done? Baywatch is now seen by about one billion viewers in 140 countries -- the most watched series ever.

You probably never knew this, but the entire historical purpose of television has been to attract a worldwide audience for the eventual syndication of Baywatch. And how does it accomplish this global distribution? Via satellite - from heaven to the Earth.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. How does television work? By giving life unto Hasselhoff's image. I'm pretty sure the second part hasn't happened yet.

Lifeguards: Denizens of the Underworld

These biblical revelations will show that the lifeguards on Baywatch are foretold as servants of the Devil. (Need I say who that is again?)
Rev 20:11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them

Rev 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them...
Doesn't this sound like an exact description of what the lifeguards on Baywatch do? They sit on their big white wooden throne, and watch out over the sea -- waiting for a dying person to get cast up. Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek to find death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

One word: CPR
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, Sounds like a lifeguard, eh? Standing on the beach reading a paperback?

Rev 17:3-5 ...and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

and if that wasn't enough, try Ezekiel 23:17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

The fabled "Whore of Babylon." Well, people have been calling Hollywood "Babylon" since long before I was making web pages. And of all the women in Hollywood, whose wedding night video is the most popular? Hmmm.... Did someone say "Barb Wire?"
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more Do you know any merchants who invested heavily in the acting career of this "whore of Babylon?" I've seen that "VIP" show of hers, and I'd be weeping if I had spent money on the merchandising rights.
Rev. 18:21 ... a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea,...

Speaking of lifeguards chucking rocks at innocent people, listen to this excerpt from a recent lawsuit against his Hasselness: "while Plaintiff was in the audience of the Rosie O'Donnell Show, Defendandt DAVID HASSELHOFF came on stage and threw a stack of cards depicting himself into the audience, striking Plaintiff in the eye. . . [he] should have known that throwing cards into an audience could cause injury to the audience."
Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. He stands to lose money in this lawsuit -- or maybe even all those dainty and goodly things he bought.

The Number of the Beast
The Bible shows us another way to prove a person is the AntiChrist, namely through numerology. Rev 13:18 says: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

That's a bit cryptic, to be sure. One score is twenty, so threescore is 60, the number of the beast is 666.

Now, the way biblical scholars and numerologists usually convert the names of men into their numbers is through a simple numerical code. Let's assign the 26 letters of the alphabet the numbers 1 through 26. It looks like this:

a 1 i 9 q 17 y 25

b 2 j 10 r 18 z 26

c 3 k 11 s 19

d 4 l 12 t 20

e 5 m 13 u 21

f 6 n 14 v 22

g 7 o 15 w 23

h 8 p 16 x 24

Now, we take the letters from Mr. Hasselhoff's name, assign numbers to them, and calculate his number.

D A V I D H A S S E L H O F F

4 1 22 9 4 8 1 19 19 5 12 8 15 6 6

Now, since thirteen is such a fitting number for evil, let's multiply the first 13 numbers together. The total (65,874,124,800) is approximately 6.6 billion. Tack on the remaining 6's from the end of his name, and you've got yourself the mark of the beast.

Another tactic you could use would be to add the letters in "David" (I think you should get 40) and the letters in Hasselhoff (99) and then multiply them together. 40 x 99 = 3960. Now, 3960 is 660 x 6. And of course, 660 plus 6 is -- again -- the mark of the beast.

Not enough proof for you? Well, let's see what else the winning combination of the Bible and numerology have in store for David.....

As he explains it in his interview, David Hasselhoff first decided to act at the age of 7 when he saw a local production of Rumplestiltskin. His acting debut was in Peter Pan. Knight Rider ended its run in 1986, when Hasselhoff was 32. Baywatch debuted in 1989, when Hasselhoff was 35. His first televised role was as Snapper Foster on the Young and the Restless at the age of 19. If we look at the 37th chapter of the 19th book of the Bible (Psalms) -- at verses 32 and 35, we notice an interesting phenomenon. Take a look:

32. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
35. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.

Viewers of Baywatch may have thought they were watching the good leader Mitch Buchannon -- whose main job as head lifeguard is to watch over the righteous babes at the beach, and save them. According to the Bible, he is really trying to slay them. But can we be sure that the show in question is actually Baywatch? Well, count the number of letters in Rumplestiltskin and Peter Pan. 15 and 8, right? Now look at those bible verses again. Find the 15th word of verse 35 - and the 8th word from the end of verse 32. Put them together. 35. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree. 32. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.

Leopard is like vista, all the good has been cut (1)

Fruity McGayGay (1005769) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479423)

holy buttflakes batman!

I submit David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist
And I have the proof

How can one explain the phenomenal global success of one of this country's least talented individuals? There are only three ways.

* Mr. Hasselhoff actually is talented, but this goes unnoticed in his own country.
* Mr. Hasselhoff has sold his soul to Satan in return for global success.
* David Hasselhoff is the AntiChrist.

I vote for the latter -- and perhaps, after seeing the facts involved, the rest of the world will agree.

The Facts First, the obvious. Add a little beard and a couple of horns -- David Hasselhoff looks like the Devil, doesn't he? And the letters in his name can be rearranged to spell fad of devil's hash.

What does this mean? Well, Baywatch is David's fad. David is the devil. The Hash is what makes Knight Rider popular in Amsterdam.

(I was actually hoping to make the letters in his name spell out he is of the devil, which would be possible if his middle name was "Ethesis," which it might be. I'm sure his publicist would hide such a middle name if it were true.)

Second -- and most importantly -- David Hasselhoff and his television series were foretold in the Bible. Biblical scholars worldwide may quibble over interpretations, but they all agree on this. For a few telling examples let's skip to the end of the Bible. If any book of the Bible will tell us who the AntiChrist is, it's the Revelation of Saint John, which basically describes the AntiChrist and the Armageddon He causes. I'll just give you the verse, and the current theological interpretation of that verse.

Who is the Beast?
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns The Beast, of course, is David Hasselhoff. The Heads are His separate television incarnations. Young and the Restless, Revenge of the Cheerleaders, Knight Rider, Terror at London Bridge, Ring of the Musketeers, Baywatch and Baywatch Nights. The ten horns represent His musical releases: Crazy For You, David, David Hasselhoff, Do You Love Me?, Du, Everybody Sunshine, I Believe, Looking For Freedom, Night Lover and Night Rockers. Not only does Mitch The Lifeguard literally "rise out of the sea" on Baywatch, but David's musical career has mostly occurred in Europe, a metaphoric rise to fame from across the sea. Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Of course, this is a reference to his third head: Knight of the Phoenix, the first episode of Knight Rider. In this episode, "Michael Long, a policeman, is shot and left for dead. The shot is deflected by a plate in his head, but ruins his face. He is saved and his face reconstructed. He is reluctant, but agrees to use K.I.T.T. to help the Foundation for Law and Government fight criminals who are 'beyond the reach of the law'. " Knight Rider has been shown in 82 countries. Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. The following blasphemies are actual quotes from David Hasselhoff -- I read these while he was 42 years old.
"I'm good-looking, and I make a lot of money."

"There are many dying children out there whose last wish is to meet me."

"I'm six foot four, an all-American guy, and handsome and talented as well!"

"Before long, I'll have my own channel -- I'll be like Barney."

"(Baywatch) is responsible for a lot of world peace." which the Hoff said at the Bollywood Oscars. Don't believe me? Read the original article!

And here's a blasphemy that came from David's recent (Feb 2004) visit to the Berlin Wall museum. I couldn't have made something this great up by myself. He was upset that the museum didn't spend more time devoted to his personal role in the fall of Communism. You can read more about it here, if you don't believe me.

The Second Beast: Television
Rev 13:11-13And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

The Second Beast, with it's dual antennae, is obviously the Television -- merely a pawn in Hasselhoff's underworldly regime. His stereo speaker (the dragon's voice) spews forth the blasphemy of Baywatch until He has caused all people of the earth to worship and watch Baywatch and Baywatch Nights. How well has he done? Baywatch is now seen by about one billion viewers in 140 countries -- the most watched series ever.

You probably never knew this, but the entire historical purpose of television has been to attract a worldwide audience for the eventual syndication of Baywatch. And how does it accomplish this global distribution? Via satellite - from heaven to the Earth.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. How does television work? By giving life unto Hasselhoff's image. I'm pretty sure the second part hasn't happened yet.

Lifeguards: Denizens of the Underworld

These biblical revelations will show that the lifeguards on Baywatch are foretold as servants of the Devil. (Need I say who that is again?)
Rev 20:11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them

Rev 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them...
Doesn't this sound like an exact description of what the lifeguards on Baywatch do? They sit on their big white wooden throne, and watch out over the sea -- waiting for a dying person to get cast up. Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek to find death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

One word: CPR
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, Sounds like a lifeguard, eh? Standing on the beach reading a paperback?

Rev 17:3-5 ...and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

and if that wasn't enough, try Ezekiel 23:17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

The fabled "Whore of Babylon." Well, people have been calling Hollywood "Babylon" since long before I was making web pages. And of all the women in Hollywood, whose wedding night video is the most popular? Hmmm.... Did someone say "Barb Wire?"
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more Do you know any merchants who invested heavily in the acting career of this "whore of Babylon?" I've seen that "VIP" show of hers, and I'd be weeping if I had spent money on the merchandising rights.
Rev. 18:21 ... a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea,...

Speaking of lifeguards chucking rocks at innocent people, listen to this excerpt from a recent lawsuit against his Hasselness: "while Plaintiff was in the audience of the Rosie O'Donnell Show, Defendandt DAVID HASSELHOFF came on stage and threw a stack of cards depicting himself into the audience, striking Plaintiff in the eye. . . [he] should have known that throwing cards into an audience could cause injury to the audience."
Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. He stands to lose money in this lawsuit -- or maybe even all those dainty and goodly things he bought.

The Number of the Beast
The Bible shows us another way to prove a person is the AntiChrist, namely through numerology. Rev 13:18 says: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

That's a bit cryptic, to be sure. One score is twenty, so threescore is 60, the number of the beast is 666.

Now, the way biblical scholars and numerologists usually convert the names of men into their numbers is through a simple numerical code. Let's assign the 26 letters of the alphabet the numbers 1 through 26. It looks like this:

a 1 i 9 q 17 y 25

b 2 j 10 r 18 z 26

c 3 k 11 s 19

d 4 l 12 t 20

e 5 m 13 u 21

f 6 n 14 v 22

g 7 o 15 w 23

h 8 p 16 x 24

Now, we take the letters from Mr. Hasselhoff's name, assign numbers to them, and calculate his number.

D A V I D H A S S E L H O F F

4 1 22 9 4 8 1 19 19 5 12 8 15 6 6

Now, since thirteen is such a fitting number for evil, let's multiply the first 13 numbers together. The total (65,874,124,800) is approximately 6.6 billion. Tack on the remaining 6's from the end of his name, and you've got yourself the mark of the beast.

Another tactic you could use would be to add the letters in "David" (I think you should get 40) and the letters in Hasselhoff (99) and then multiply them together. 40 x 99 = 3960. Now, 3960 is 660 x 6. And of course, 660 plus 6 is -- again -- the mark of the beast.

Not enough proof for you? Well, let's see what else the winning combination of the Bible and numerology have in store for David.....

As he explains it in his interview, David Hasselhoff first decided to act at the age of 7 when he saw a local production of Rumplestiltskin. His acting debut was in Peter Pan. Knight Rider ended its run in 1986, when Hasselhoff was 32. Baywatch debuted in 1989, when Hasselhoff was 35. His first televised role was as Snapper Foster on the Young and the Restless at the age of 19. If we look at the 37th chapter of the 19th book of the Bible (Psalms) -- at verses 32 and 35, we notice an interesting phenomenon. Take a look:

32. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
35. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.

Viewers of Baywatch may have thought they were watching the good leader Mitch Buchannon -- whose main job as head lifeguard is to watch over the righteous babes at the beach, and save them. According to the Bible, he is really trying to slay them. But can we be sure that the show in question is actually Baywatch? Well, count the number of letters in Rumplestiltskin and Peter Pan. 15 and 8, right? Now look at those bible verses again. Find the 15th word of verse 35 - and the 8th word from the end of verse 32. Put them together. 35. I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree. 32. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.

Notes from a WWDC curmudgeon (5, Informative)

hkb (777908) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479537)

ZFS is in the WWDC Leopard build. It's currently configured for read-only, although full functionality is in there. Write ability is disabled for stability/integrity issues. /System/Library/Extensions:

drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 102 Jun 4 20:48 zfs.readonly.kext

Re:Notes from a WWDC curmudgeon (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479767)

Read only NTFS support is in the Tiger build, yet I haven't read any speculation that it will become the default file system in Leopard.

Re:Notes from a WWDC curmudgeon (4, Insightful)

VWJedi (972839) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479997)

Considering all the talk about how Apple retalliates against people who cross them, don't you think you out to abide by the Non-Disclosure Agreement you entered into when you received that Leopard build?

Re:Notes from a WWDC curmudgeon (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480007)

I'd bet that ZFS is in there for some future version of their XServe NAS product, not as a boot partition.

Granted, I am somewhat disappointed by this announcement. HFS+ isn't terrible, but as far as modern file systems go, it's pretty unremarkable (and every bit as poorly supported as NTFS).

HFS is older though (1)

toby (759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479547)

HFS+ may date only from System 8.1, but HFS is considerably older - nearly 22 years now. It's very mature and stable code, even the POSIX stuff they bolted on later for HFS+.

Well, we can wait a bit longer for ZFS. If you can't wait, grab a Solaris 10, [sun.com] Solaris Express, [sun.com] or OpenSolaris [opensolaris.org] distribution and start playing today! I'm not comfortable committing precious data to anything else.

One day most of our day-to-day filesystems will incorporate the ideas in ZFS [opensolaris.org] - one or two have been seen before, but never in such a devastating ensemble. The 'Z' may as well stand for 'Zen': Grokking why ZFS is revolutionary seems to be a Zen-like enlightenment :) Many people still wonder "huh? what's the fuss?", [sun.com] as happens with any generational change...

Same 10 year old file system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19479597)

... but new iChat. Mac users everywhere, rejoice.

A new iChat?? (3, Interesting)

Disoriented (202908) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480099)

Not sure if anyone noticed, but a major feature that was promised for iChat in Leopard has somehow disappeared.

From the Leopard Sneak Peak, still in Google's cache here [72.14.253.104]

Share and share alike

Remote control takes on a whole new meaning with iChat in Leopard. Thanks to iChat Screen Sharing, you and your buddy can observe and control a single desktop via iChat, making it a cinch to collaborate with colleagues, browse the Web with a friend, or pick the perfect plane seats with your spouse. Share your own desktop or share your buddy's -- you both have complete control at all times. And when you start a Screen Sharing session, iChat automatically initiates an audio chat so you can talk things through while you're at it.


However, there is no mention of iChat Desktop sharing on Apple's new iChat for Leopard page:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/ichat .html [apple.com]

This sucks. I was really hoping to replace my kludgy VNC setups and NAT tables with a clean, elegant, and free remote desktop solution. Thanks a lot Apple!

Linux (1)

javilon (99157) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479643)

If sun is moving OpenSolaris to the GPL3 from their current license ZFS will be a high profile case where incompatibilities between GPL v2 and v3 are causing big trouble to Linux, the kernel.

Unless Linus and everyone else decide to move to v3

Re:Linux (1, Offtopic)

EvilRyry (1025309) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479813)

I'm pretty sure this has been well covered on Slashdot before, but I'll say it again: GPLv2 and v3 will play nicely together.

It's not ready! (1)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479677)

Fascinating as it is to guess the workings of his Steveness I still think it's because ZFS is not ready for primetime yet. It's too large a change just to drop in but I do expect to see it in a couple of years. Journalled HFS is not that bad anyway.

It probably WAS in Leopard until June 6th... (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479701)

Steve Jobs just hates people spoiling his surprises.

My first thought when Jonathan Schwartz announced that ZFS would be the file system in Leopard [arstechnica.com] was that now there was a really danger that Jobs might cancel it, just out of spite... and the prove the leaker wrong.

Ten years old? So what? (1)

Crazy Taco (1083423) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479755)

I fail to see the reason why the article poster is complaining that HFS+ is nearly 10 years old. Age really doesn't matter. If something is a good product, why not use it for 50 years. I'm not saying HFS+ is necessarilly such a product, but heck, even ext2 is 15 years old. People still use that, and no one complains about the age.

You're right, it's not the age, it's the suckage. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 7 years ago | (#19479985)

HFS+ is the only file system I have used on ANY UNIX system in the past quarter of a century where I have had to resort to third-party tools to fix corruption, and where you can corrupt it to that point just by letting it fill up.

Sometimes I really hate it when I'm right. I suggested [slashdot.org] that this was too good to be true when it was originally posted here. Alas, we're stuck with HFS+ until Apple gets over their NIH issues.

Re:Ten years old? So what? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#19480073)

See, crazy attitudes like that is the primary reason I don't have my jet pack and flying car by now. Usefulness, stability, bah! That's so 20th century, man. :P
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