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Your Worst Possible Fear (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19503435)

the first East to West Coast span on its new nationwide 100 gigabit per second network has been completed
Uh oh. That's a whole lotta spam!

What's to stop someone like National American University or University of Phoenix from getting access to this and spamming the hell out of me? They already do it with snail mail ...

Re:Your Worst Possible Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504595)

Seriously, when I read the title I immedialy thought some had posted the entire catalog of Rocco movies for sharing or something.
That's what I call an internet milestone.

Re:Your Worst Possible Fear (1)

ccarson (562931) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505217)

Forgive my ignorance. Could someone explain to me whether the Internet2 is compatible (protocol wise) with the current Internet? In other words, will I be able to port into the Internet2 when it becomes more readily available?

Re:Your Worst Possible Fear (1)

xENoLocO (773565) | more than 7 years ago | (#19507603)

Will spam rates increase though? They just send as much of it as they want as is...

Internet2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19508287)

> What's to stop someone like National American University or University of Phoenix from getting access to this and spamming the hell out of me?

Other than Internet2 not being connected to the internet you and I are on now? Not much...

The Map (4, Informative)

DaveWick79 (939388) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503455)

See http://www.internet2.edu/network/library/deploymen t_phases.pdf [internet2.edu]

Almost as interested as what is covered is what is not yet covered. Does anyone know how long they expect this to take to fully implement?

Huge penis (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19503649)

In your butt. [goatse.cz]

Re:The Map (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19503665)

Everything complete by the end of July/early August. Trust me. :-)

Re:The Map (2, Informative)

bockelboy (824282) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503893)

I attended a presentation by the CEO of I2 last month. This should be finished by the end of this year.

Intangled Pair Message - Incoming (1, Funny)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504427)

Message From the Future Using the Intangled Pair Interface

With InternetX deployed last August (2020), we can now surf the Internet Way Back Machine 4.0 by directly accessing web pages in the past. The only thing we have to over come is that we have to assign NATted TSC/IP addresses (also known as IPv32, 32 sets of 32bit strings) to address computers in the TSC (time space continuum). (Oh, I've already got my lawyers working in 2007 to cover patents on TSC/IP)

Your puny Internet2 was relegated to serve up Paris Hilton news and 24/7 coverage of the Anna Nicole Clones Show on the White Trash Network (formerly known as FoxNews).

Re:The Map (3, Insightful)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504605)

Almost as interested as what is covered is what is not yet covered. Does anyone know how long they expect this to take to fully implement?

If by "fully implement" you mean "make it accessible to every Joe Somebody like the Internet 1 is", then I hope never. The original internet was intended for science and education, then AOL arrived and now it's filled with Viagra and Paris Hilton videos. Let's hope we learned from our mistakes and leave this Internet2 alone, out of commercial reach.

Re:The Map (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505501)

They will, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to get to it either. They only let research and education institutions on it.

Re:The Map (1)

benow (671946) | more than 7 years ago | (#19506553)

He says replying to a moderated information exchange site with participants from around the world exchanging mostly relevant and mostly intelligent conversation. The internet is far more than Paris Hilton and Viagra... for that there's adblock. Bring on the bandwidth. Sure, there'll be crap, but there'll also be much advancement.

Re:The Map (1)

DaveWick79 (939388) | more than 7 years ago | (#19507279)

Fully implement means making this backbone available to ISP's across the country, if they even plan to take it that far. Considering that IPTV and other forms of streaming video have the potential to replace the existing cable structure in many areas, or at least give them competition, I think that it is advantageous to everyone to be able to access this network.

Re:The Map (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19510535)

Internet2 isn't a "separate" Internet. It's just a very high speed backbone available for academic entities. And guaranteed to support nice stuff like IPv6 and multicast across the entire Internet2.

If you consider it a separate Internet, then we already have as many Innarnetz as we do backbone providers.

Re:The Map (1)

irishbiotch (610905) | more than 7 years ago | (#19507195)

interestingly...Orlando/Disney/Universal didn't even make the cut for a connection in "Layer 1"

Re:The Map (1)

cweber (34166) | more than 7 years ago | (#19511177)

Much of it has been implemented for a while now. I forget when exactly my institution obtained access, but it was years ago. Back then it was not at the current speed, obviously, but still MUCH faster than the clogged public network. Of course it helps to get timely access if you're near a major node, in our case San Diego Supercomputer Center, and if you are a bona fide research center.

And it will only be a matter of time... (3, Funny)

blcamp (211756) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503477)

...before legitimate commerical interests take old.

Then, after that - pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z, and all the rest.

After all, the first part of "Internet2" is "Internet".

Won't it be great? Getting all those worms delivered at breakneck speeds?

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (2, Funny)

IndieKid (1061106) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503509)

Won't it be great? Getting all those worms delivered at breakneck speeds?
At least with all the new bandwidth the worms will be able to take over your PC in glorious High Definition.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (4, Funny)

spellraiser (764337) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503527)

pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z

One of these does not belong ...

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503675)

pr0n, sp4m, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z


One of these does not belong ...


Fixed.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19505711)

Hey there - that porn is... ummm... educational... ya know!

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (0, Troll)

glittalogik (837604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19513559)

Black tits aren't porn, they're documentary.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19523557)

pr0n, sp4m, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z


One of these does not belong ...


Fixed.


If it's fixed then they all belong.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (5, Funny)

MaXimillion (856525) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503593)

Then, after that - pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z, and all the rest. Won't it be great? Getting all those worms delivered at breakneck speeds?
If your pr0n involves worms, you might want to keep it to yourself, as most of us do NOT want to know about it :p

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504981)

Hey dude, ch1xx0rz can be h4xx0rz too ya know...

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (2)

Erwos (553607) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503599)

Having legitimate commercial interests take hold would probably be a nice improvement over the copyright infringement free-for-all it is right now. As far as 99.9% of students care, it's just a really fast place to trade warez and porn.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (0, Redundant)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504893)

And where do I sign up for this ?

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (1)

blhack (921171) | more than 7 years ago | (#19508085)

People that use I2 to trade warez, porn, music etc. are the biggest pain in my ass!

When i was attending ASU, which has internet2 (supposedly even in the dorms), I needed(wanted) to download the latest version of knoppix, which is now on a DVD (cd versions are also available). When i tried to do it (even downloading from an I2 server), speeds were HORRIBLE...somewhere in the 32kbps range.

Come to find out that while, yes, you ARE transmitting data across I2, they throttle it to prevent nightmares like the big huge DC++ hubs that used to exist.

SO I2 @ asu = pointless...i'm sure unless a grant to the university is involved.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19508615)

Why is knoppix of more value than warez, porn or music? You can bet the last three add more to the sum of human happiness than the first.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503697)

Then, after that - pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z, and all the rest


Dunno about you, but I was around on the Internet1 before the 'commercial interests' took hold.

All those things you listed predated the commercial interests, 'cept maybe skr1p7 k1dd13z.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (2, Interesting)

owlnation (858981) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504157)

Dunno about you, but I was around on the Internet1 before the 'commercial interests' took hold.
IIRC, the rise of spam and commercial interests were pretty much concurrent. But yes, pr0n and and hax0rs were there way way way before the suits got involved.

There's probably a way of charting the rise of spam/commercial interests inversely against the IQ of the average Internet 1 user.

Sadly, however, having ruined Internet 1 for many of us, the commercially interested are already foaming at the mouth in anticipation of Internet 2.

Re:And it will only be a matter of time... (1)

h2_plus_O (976551) | more than 7 years ago | (#19512153)

All those things you listed predated the commercial interests
wait- hasn't pr0n always been like the #1 commercial interest on teh interwebz?

Still on dial-up (2, Insightful)

seniorcoder (586717) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503545)

I'm too far away for DSL. There is no cable modem service in my street. Am I stuck with dial-up to this mega-network? If so, progress seems a long way off to me.

Re:Still on dial-up (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19503679)

The Internet2 was designed as a testbed for applications by universities and corporations. It was not designed to improve connection speeds to the internet for individuals. It is more like the ARPANET than the internet. Some applications designed on Internet2 may migrate to the users on the internet, but there are no plans for users of the internet to migrate to Internet2.

Re:Still on dial-up (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 7 years ago | (#19507795)

Testbed my ass.

It's being used to pirate movies by college students.

It's just a toy for the subsidized.

That money could be and SHOULD be spent on last mile connections for EVERYONE at an 'affordable' price!

By the way, I'm on dialup too.

Re:Still on dial-up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19510863)

It's just a toy for the subsidized.

That money could be and SHOULD be spent on last mile connections for EVERYONE at an 'affordable' price!

By the way, I'm on dialup too.
In other words:
Subsidies for me and not for thee.

Re:Still on dial-up (1)

pyite (140350) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503795)

I'm too far away for DSL. There is no cable modem service in my street. Am I stuck with dial-up to this mega-network? If so, progress seems a long way off to me.

Internet2 is for research institutions only. Most of such institutions are universities. Some are not (such as CERN, or even Microsoft has a connection). Ordinary users will never have data go across Internet2.

Here's part of a traceroute to microsoft.com:

12 so-0-0-0.0.rtr.salt.net.internet2.edu (64.57.28.24) 79.663 ms 75.458 ms 75.504 ms
13 64.57.28.26 (64.57.28.26) 98.695 ms 92.008 ms 96.118 ms
14 microsoft-1-lo-jmb-706.sttlwa.pacificwave.net (207.231.240.7) 92.181 ms 92.037 ms 92.126 ms
15 ge-7-3-0-59.wst-64cb-1b.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.36.253) 92.225 ms 92.226 ms 92.206 ms

Here's part of a traceroute to cern.ch:

  8 remote.internet2.magpi.net (216.27.100.54) 6.867 ms 6.926 ms 6.892 ms
  9 so-0-0-0.0.rtr.wash.net.internet2.edu (64.57.28.11) 27.654 ms 12.220 ms 12.063 ms
10 64.57.28.12 (64.57.28.12) 28.607 ms 28.865 ms 28.652 ms
11 e513-e-rci76-2-te6.cern.ch (192.91.246.126) 141.455 ms 141.635 ms 141.594 ms

Notice that both go over Internet2 nodes. If you trace these from your computer, you'll see an entirely different path.

Re:Still on dial-up (1)

Crazy Taco (1083423) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505485)

Lol, unless you are an ordinary user living at a research institution. My university (Iowa State) was connected, and so because I lived in the dorms I was easilly able to connect to all kinds of things over Internet2. Downloading huge Linux distros was a dream. Lol, if all your friends were at universities with connections, you could even get some great gaming in over it :D.

Re:Still on dial-up (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 7 years ago | (#19507265)

so for those on the network, the internet2 network sort of works as if it were part of the regular internet backbone? does that mean p2p between two people from different universities on the network could go across internet2? hmm...

Re:Still on dial-up (1)

noahm (4459) | more than 7 years ago | (#19507555)

so for those on the network, the internet2 network sort of works as if it were part of the regular internet backbone? does that mean p2p between two people from different universities on the network could go across internet2? hmm...

Yes, barring local policies restricting such traffic, all IP travelling between major US academic and research sites goes over I2 automatically, without the users ever needing to know it. Given that it typically costs a whole lot less to send traffic over I2 than over a commercial link, it's pretty uncommon to come across a site that restricts I2 traffic.

Here's a traceroute from a random box at MIT to Cal Tech's web server. Note the hostnames of the various intermediate hops:

lore:~$ traceroute www.caltech.edu
traceroute to www.caltech.edu (131.215.220.4), 30 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 misc-2-3.haven.csail.mit.edu (128.30.28.4) 0.493 ms 0.269 ms 0.240 ms
2 haven.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.253) 0.368 ms 0.303 ms 0.240 ms
3 B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) 0.366 ms 0.325 ms 0.241 ms
4 EXTERNAL-RTR-1-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.18) 0.616 ms 42.011 ms 0.717 ms
5 EXTERNAL-RTR-2-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.27) 0.992 ms 2.902 ms 2.988 ms
6 207.210.143.109 (207.210.143.109) 0.835 ms 0.973 ms 0.606 ms
7 nox300gw1-Vl-803-NoX.nox.org (192.5.89.238) 0.745 ms 0.889 ms 0.616 ms
8 nox300gw1-PEER-NoX-INTERNET2-192-5-89-222.nox.org (192.5.89.222) 8.361 ms 5.694 ms 6.110 ms
9 so-0-0-0.0.rtr.wash.net.internet2.edu (64.57.28.11) 10.733 ms 10.868 ms 11.358 ms
10 so-0-0-0.0.rtr.atla.net.internet2.edu (64.57.28.6) 24.975 ms 24.662 ms 43.963 ms
11 hstnng-atlang.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.33) 45.840 ms 46.525 ms 45.713 ms
12 losang-hstnng.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.21) 82.692 ms 77.419 ms 77.820 ms
13 hpr-lax-gsr1--abilene-LA-10ge.cenic.net (137.164.25.2) 78.441 ms 77.683 ms 77.943 ms
14 lax-hpr.losnettos-hpr.cenic.net (137.164.27.246) 77.820 ms 77.857 ms 77.818 ms
15 Booth-RSW.ilan.caltech.edu (131.215.254.253) 77.818 ms 77.888 ms 77.819 ms
16 walt.caltech.edu (131.215.220.2) 78.818 ms 77.912 ms 77.815 ms
noah

Re:Still on dial-up (1)

pyite (140350) | more than 7 years ago | (#19507571)

does that mean p2p between two people from different universities on the network could go across internet2? hmm...

Yes, that's the case. There used to be an Internet2-only Direct Connect network called I2Hub [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Still on dial-up (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503945)

How about wireless? I know of several that get good EVDO service from Verizon at their vacation cabin in rural areas. At least ISDN speeds.

Granted it's horribly overpriced for what it is, but it's an option and is linux-able.

Re:Still on dial-up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19509893)

Search for a wireless ISP (WISP). Or do your own wireless link to someone with broadband. Bug the FCC to open up the tv whitespaces for unlicensed wireless use.

Let's share those resources ! (1)

UberHoser (868520) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503557)

"education community"
'Cough' P2P ?

Great ! I need a bigger pipe for my porn and music shares !
(and no my pipe is plenty big as is.. pervs)

Ineternet2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19503561)

Give me a break, what retarded nomenclature.

This deployment marks another major milestone in bringing leading- edge networking resources to the research and education community in the United States
I think you mean bringing snakes on a plane in high def torrents to brain dead fools from coast to coast. Don't fool yourselves, no one cares about real knowledge.

Typo in the headline... (5, Funny)

cccc828 (740705) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503571)

it is supposed to be Internet 2.0!

Re:Typo in the headline... (1)

deimios666 (1040904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504259)

That's Internet 2.0 BETA!!! you insensitive clod. Greetings from Google.

Russia 2.0 beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19511471)

in Russian hearings, you can scream your space.

What I want to see/hear from Internet2 (0)

yohanes (644299) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503591)

I would like to know what brilliant innovations the Internet2 brings to its users. I just want to know the possibilities that lies in our future Internet, when it has the speed of Internet2.

Re:What I want to see/hear from Internet2 (2, Informative)

colfer (619105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504753)

I read this: http://www.internet2.edu/projects/ [internet2.edu]
So it looks like several types of features are involved: network stuff (faster, better topology, etc.), "middleware" (authentication), and apps, specifically integrated voice, video, IM. How much will end up vaporware, or let's say feature-speak...?

Hybrid Optical Networking Initiative (HOPI)
Motivated by extreme applications that strain today's networks, the HOPI project investigates revolutionary network architectures that will serve as models for the next-generation of Internet2 networks.

End-to-End Performance Initiative (E2EPI)
By developing tools to embed performance and diagnostic technology within the network infrastructure, E2EPI is making it easier to create a more reliable, predictable and seamless network experience for all users, and encourage the adoption of next-generation network applications.

Observatory
To enable a better understanding of the inner-workings and use of a large-scale infrastructure by network engineers, researchers and users, the Observatory provides a unique and comprehensive real-time operational data associated with Internet2's nationwide high-performance network.

Middleware Initiative
The Middleware Initiative brings together leading IT architects from Internet2 member organizations to address critical issues in authentication and authorization in order to create practical and secure inter-institutional services.

Security
The Internet2 Security initiative supports members as they explore and implement network security in ways that ensure continued high-performance, innovation and support for advanced network applications.

SIP.edu
With an estimated 10 million Internet2-connected users, SIP.edu supports testing and encourages the adoption of advanced communications applications that integrate voice, video, and instant messaging through presence services and open standards.

Internet2 Technology Evaluation Centers (ITEC)
ITECs are national centers that provide leadership and support for the Internet2 community in specific areas of technology and networking, such as optical technologies, network performance, Voice over IP (VoIP), and video conferencing.

Re:What I want to see/hear from Internet2 (1)

colfer (619105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504779)

Security being the big one. Are they using IP protocols? Same old SMTP?

Meaningless (0, Troll)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503617)

Until telcos can/will guarantee fiber to your door, I can't understand why everyone gets all excited about "Internet2" reaching new speed records. Anyone know what the first file sent across it was? I'd imagine either pics of Xena or a Stargate: Atlantis episode.

Re:Meaningless (4, Informative)

bockelboy (824282) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504045)

Anyone know what the first file sent across it was? I'd imagine either pics of Xena or a Stargate: Atlantis episode.
Hi,

I transferred some of the first files over this network. It was Monte Carlo physics data produced for the CMS project. It took us about 20 minutes to go from 0 to 6.5 Gbps (we have a 10Gbps link to I2).

P2P is not a big application on I2. Simply put, clients like Bittorrent don't scale well for individual transfers and there aren't enough transfers to really aggregate to an impressive number.

I expect at least 100 Mbps per file using our transfer tools, then transfer many files at once.

Re:Meaningless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504181)

Uh, ever hear of i2hub? Since at least some universities are connected via Internet2, students decided that file sharing on it would be a good idea (100 Gigabit? yesplz). Until the *AA came in, of course.

Re:Meaningless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504685)

It was great while it lasted... got around the port blocking at our campus, and then connection speeds around 3-4MB/sec, which is great considering they capped bandwidth through the old fashioned net at 1Mb/sec. For me it was 25-30 times faster.

Re:Meaningless (1)

allscan (1030606) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504877)

Yep I remember using i2hub, sweet program. The network admins at my school even used it to download movies.

Re:Meaningless (2, Funny)

digitig (1056110) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505321)

Monte Carlo
Ah yes, internet gambling, how did we forget that one? ;-)

Re:Meaningless (2, Interesting)

costing (748101) | more than 7 years ago | (#19506551)

Being a CMS researcher I guess you have already heard about http://monalisa.cern.ch/FDT/ [monalisa.cern.ch] that was especially developed for this purpose (high speed transfer over paths with large RTT). It goes to the maximum possible transfer rate in a matter of seconds and can pipe multiple files through the same channel especially to avoid situations like you describe.

Where do we stand? (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503619)

Are we still behind countries like Korea and Canada on this front with this development? Let an informed soul clarify.

Re:Where do we stand? (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504095)

Behind with regard to what?

-total point to point bandwidth available?
-typical consumer access speed?
-max single speed transfer ever done?
-total peering overlap to provide for multiple routing paths?

The US is ahead of 3 of those 4. If you are a large company, university, etc then being in the us is the best place to be. If you're a consumer...

Re:Where do we stand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504223)

Thank god I am in fact a large university. Oh wait ... No ... I'm a 42 year-old loser who lives with my mom.

Internet2?! (2, Funny)

segedunum (883035) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503639)

Oh shit, I didn't realise I was on the wrong version. I better upgrade quick.

damned kids (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19503781)

Internet1 replies "I remember when we had to walk uphill through a 9600 baud line, both ways!!"

Re:damned kids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504537)

...and we liked it!

9600 baud? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19506759)

Back in my day we connected our calculators with two tin cans and a piece of string. And we liked it!

Re:damned kids (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#19509561)

9600 baud? My first Internet connection was 2400 baud, and I thought I came pretty late to the Internet party.

The Internet2 outside of the US (2, Interesting)

mrhammi (1098441) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503825)

I have looked at the partner sites for the project http://international.internet2.edu/partners/ [internet2.edu] there doesn't seem to be much progress outside of the US. Are there plans for any that anybody is aware of?

Re:The Internet2 outside of the US (1)

imogthe (742394) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505473)

This is not intended as a flame, but did you actually read and underestand the link you just posted? They pretty much list every major research network in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East.. what more could you want? They may not be named 'Internet2', but they're still pretty significant networks in their own right, covering a large number of research and educational institutions :)

So, how will this be segregated? (2, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19503927)

Will Internet2 always be the academic side, Internet1 remains separate, and they will just be upgraded in sections in the coming years? Will Internet2 always be the faster of the two? Will it serve as the proving ground for technology that later filters down to Internet1?

Re:So, how will this be segregated? (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505537)

Yes to all. Don't expect I2 access if you're out of college (and not working at a major telecom company or research lab).

Re:So, how will this be segregated? (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505849)

Yes to all. Don't expect I2 access if you're out of college (and not working at a major telecom company or research lab).
It's no biggie, nobody could really view that much pr0n anyways. :) But concerning the previous article posted here about the data generated from those super-collider experiments, there are some technology demands that can outstrip even pr0n... at least until we come up with the full VR simulations that involves a thousand times the data of an HD video.

The first modem I ever saw was a 300 baud and the first one I ever owned was a 2400 baud that cost hundreds of dollars. The pace of technology advancement blows me away.

clustering station wagons is the only way forward (0, Offtopic)

untitled.london (1047042) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504067)

i haven't seen a single reference which suggests that this internet2 will benefit society any more than a beowulf cluster of station wagons would.

Re:clustering station wagons is the only way forwa (1)

jwo7777777 (100313) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504559)

The thought of simulated wood paneling is indeed compelling.

Re:clustering station wagons is the only way forwa (1)

duncanbojangles (787775) | more than 7 years ago | (#19511413)

Nice Andrew S. Tanenbaum reference.

finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504213)

... internets!

Internet2 (0)

sam991 (995040) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504417)

Shit. Are we really calling it that?

Most popular tech support question , 2.0 (2, Funny)

Shohat (959481) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504459)

Where do I donwload Internet 2 ?

Coast to Coast... (1)

Carch (695851) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504509)

But who hammered in the Golden Fiber Spike?

Re:Coast to Coast... (1)

jwo7777777 (100313) | more than 7 years ago | (#19504607)

Ulysses "Single-mode" Grant.

(Admit it....you always wondered what the "S" stood for in his name.)

(For the intensely dense, "single-mode" is a descriptor for a type of optical fiber)

it is NOT 100G transport! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19504565)

They have 100G of CAPACITY, not a 100G link. We are all still poking along at 10G (OC192). This press release is designed to hype the capabilities of the vendors involved. So great, they can run 10, 10Gig connections on the same fiber path. I dont see this as a 'major milestone' at all.

The new Internet2 Network will initially provide members with 100 Gbps of
capacity as well as increased bandwidth flexibility to serve the evolving
needs of the research and education community. In 2006, Internet2 announced
an agreement with Level 3 to deploy a next-generation nationwide network.
Level 3 is deploying Infinera's Digital Optical Networking equipment across
the dedicated high capacity backbone to enable dynamic optical circuit
provisioning for the Internet2 community. Internet2 has also partnered with
Ciena Corporation to deploy their CoreDirector Multiservice Switch for
switching and sub-wavelength grooming services which allows members to
customize their connections from 10 Gbps down to 51 Mbps to meet their
institutional networking needs. Internet2 will deploy its current Juniper
T640 routers to provide advanced IP capabilities.

Misused term (3, Informative)

sherriw (794536) | more than 7 years ago | (#19505039)

Internet2 is a trademarked non-profit organization name. The network they are making is called the Abilene Network.

Re:Misused term (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19508741)

Has anyone snaffled Internet3 yet? Oh wait...

crock (1)

ralph1 (900228) | more than 7 years ago | (#19506225)

how is it i pay but they get if anyone should get a fater pipe first it the people who pay for it.

Only 100 gigabit? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 7 years ago | (#19506613)

I figure 640 gigabits should be enough for anyone, so they still have a way to go.

Abilene at VT (1)

Nosferatu Alucard (713350) | more than 7 years ago | (#19509125)

At my school, we've got access to Internet2, but I haven't really figured out a way to utilize it. Does anyone know of a way the network can be accessed for transfers? I ran a test on my machine that said it could access Abilene, but I haven't really found a way to know i'm using it.

I'm curious if it is automatic for some uses, like distros from other institutes. I downloaded Knoppix in a short length of time from Duke while in my dorm room, averaging speeds between 800-1500KB/s.

Anyone know how easy/hard it is to use the network? Or at least point me in the right direction?

Re:Abilene at VT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19510297)

try traceroute.

failing that, it is safe to assume that if you are accessing another university, you are probably running on i2. Otherwise it's going out the regular Internet.

Re:Abilene at VT (1)

cweber (34166) | more than 7 years ago | (#19511377)

Where I work any transfer to an from a .edu address is pretty much guaranteed to go over I2. Given your Knoppix throughput numbers, I'd be willing to bet you were using the I2 backbone, too. No way you can reach these speeds over the commercial internet. Short of getting the skinny from your institution's network admins there's no clearcut way of knowing for sure, though. That's the beauty of flexible routing.

Re:Abilene at VT (1)

Thijssss (655388) | more than 7 years ago | (#19519067)

Probably not or limited by the (highly likely) 100Mbit connection of the server you were downloading from. Oh and on the other reply on this message.. 1500KBps is something allot of people actually get at home over the 'regular' Internet .. so it's shitty slow

Double? (2, Funny)

HotBBQ (714130) | more than 7 years ago | (#19509719)

Will Internet2 have twice the tubes or tubes twice the size?

Wow, much faster pr0n and boobies. (1)

liftphreaker (972707) | more than 7 years ago | (#19515165)

100Mbps to the home, wow nice, now I can get much faster pr0n downloads and 100x more v14gra spam.
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