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SuSE 6.3 Released Today

CmdrTaco posted more than 14 years ago | from the its-pronounced-sue-zuh dept.

SuSE 89

Tap noted that SuSE.com notes that 6.3 of the distribution should be released sometime today. Features include NEW X-windows installation, KDE 1.1.2, Star Office 5.1a, and XFree86 3.3.5. It should appear on the ftp site soon, and the Alpha release ought to follow shortly.

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6.3 is pretty good (1)

rednic (8954) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489242)

I liked SuSE 6.3 a lot, although I think the new graphical installer still has some flaws.

can't wait to grab the necessary updates from the server, though ;-)

star office (0)

fsck (120820) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489244)

For starters
I think that
Realistically speaking,
Star office is bloated
The fact that X really needs a office suite on

Par with Microsoft
Office is really important but an integrated
Start bar? gimme a break
Thanks but no thanks ill stick to abiword

Re:reiner fs? (1)

egghat (73643) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489245)

Reiser FS ist public beta now, but not standard FS for SuSE. (maybe in 6.4)

Bye egghat.

X-Configuration AFTER installation! (1)

Pont (33956) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489246)

Please say the X-Windows configuration happens AFTER installation.

Yes, it's nice to only have to reboot once during the entire installation, but I don't know how many times I had to redo my entire installation with RedHat when I was first starting out just because the X-configuration didn't go so hot.

For new users who don't know that you can switch to a virtual terminal and telinit 3, a messed up X configuration combined with an X login means no access to the system!

Is this haiku (1)

FascDot Killed My Pr (24021) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489247)

I think that You need to use fewer new lines
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hopefully... (1)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489248)

hopefully, this time, it will be easier to upgrade individual packages than 6.2 was...

i had the worst time trying to upgrade to E .16, because all the libraries that it wanted werent there...

oh well... gotta admit that it blows redhat out of the water...

Re:reiner fs? (3)

wolfgang_spangler (40539) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489249)

I think you are referring to this recent /. article [slashdot.org] . According to the press release [linuxpr.com] by LinuxPR [linuxpr.com] it IS supposed to be in SUSE 6.3, "...and we are pleased that with the release of SuSE 6.3 with journaling ReiserFS included we will be the first Linux vendor to ship journaling functionality" (taken from the abovementioned article).

I e-mailed SUSE about this 4 days ago but have yet to get a response.

- Wolfgang Spangler

Huh. SuSE is good - but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489250)

My main hard drive died about 2 weeks ago, so
after I got my warranty replacement, I decided to
download/burn a Slackware 7.0 iso and try it out.

Still smilin'. KDE's default reminds me a bit
too much of that other virus-prone OS though.
The Default GNOME setup I like. Netscape 4.7 is
included too. Supports both BSD-style or System V init. Kernel 2.2.13.
Easiest PPP setup ever.

Slack is now my 2nd favorite distro - with that
big honkin' Debian Still being the first. :)

Will this work with the Promise Ultra/66 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489251)


Have yet to find an ISO image of any distro that will work with this lovely IDE controller.


SUSE has always been cutting edge in its support of new hardware. Any idea if the newer IDE controllers will work with this new version of Suse?

Yeah, I could go look for myself, RTFM whatever, but for some reason I'm just too lazy today.

Keep on Keeping On.....

Today? (1)

wolfgang_spangler (40539) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489252)

Last I read on the site it said "the first week". Up till today it read December 3rd. I was unable to find anything that said it would be released today. The structure is there on the FTP site but there is nothing in it.

-Wolfgang

Re:Huh. SuSE is good - but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489253)

virus prone?

ReiserFS (1)

ttfkam (37064) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489254)

Wasn't ReiserFS supposed to be released with the next (this?) version of SuSE? If so, why isn't there any mention of this supposedly fast, journalling(!!!) filesystem? If not, what happened?

It definitely would've have counted as a deciding factor over other distributions with regards to getting installed on more enterprise-class servers.

Churn and Burn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489255)

Gee, it seems just like yesterday that Suse 6.1 came out. This past summber it was 6.0. I think it's great that Suse keeps improving its OS but the frequency is ridiculous, particularly for those who opt to buy the CD and documentation. Somebody must be making a lot of money! But afterall, that's the Micro$oft way which the open source movement loves to follow.

Sexiest distribution (Re:star office) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489256)

Now if SuSE manages to throw in Netscape and Star Office for Alpha/Linux in with their distribution, THAT would make it the sexiest distribution out there.

If not, it's basically JALD. :)

Re:ReiserFS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489257)

It _IS_ included, though not journalling reiserfs

Re:Today? (1)

True_Seeker (31738) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489258)

I just noticed the same thing. The top of their web page ( www.suse.com [suse.com] ) said it would available on December 1 (it said that last night, and I believe it even said that earlier today). Now the site says "first week of December." I guess they had some sort of delay. I have been checking the FTP site all day watching for it. Guess I'll have to wait a while more. The funny thing is that there are already many files listed under the updates for 6.3 [suse.com] .

Re:Churn and Burn (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489259)

Suse releases every 3 months. You can buy a subscription, that will get a whole lot cheaper than buying every release separately.

Besides, the complaint would make more sense if there was NOT much difference between consecuive releases, but there IS! So, why hold a very much improved version longer?

If you want yearly releases, just buy one a year.

Re:ReiserFS (1)

afx (25849) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489260)

6.3 has Reiserfs, but not the journaling version, it came out just a tad bit too late to be included.
But 6.3 has LVM, finally decent disk management on Linux!

cheers
afx

Re:star office (1)

fsck (120820) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489261)

its not about suse, bloat or haikus
its about first post and no one seems to know how to read vertically, sort of like haiku kana i guess. hehe.

SuSE 6.1 had old GNOME, Enlightenment RPMs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489262)

I am probably going to upgrade my SuSE 6.1 to 6.2 or 6.3 to use the latest glibc. IBM's Visual Age for Java doesn't work with glibc 2.0.7. However, when I did the 6.1 install I found the GNOME and Enlightenment RPMs to be MUCH older than what was already available on the GNOME website. They were actually unuseable. I had to uninstall all the GNOME RPMs and install the ones from the website to get GNOME working.

Now that I'm upgrading I wonder if I'll have to go through this again, or if SuSE has newer RPMs for GNOME and Enlightenment. Does anyone know?

Other than this I liked SuSE quite a bit, especially the YAST configuration tool.

Re: hopefully... (1)

dmitri (82525) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489263)

Can anyone point me to 6.3 iso image? I haven't
been able to find one.

Thanks.

Re:WTF is X-Windows? (1)

ianezz (31449) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489264)

Please note that this habit (of referring to X as the "X WindowS") had made it even in official GNU documentation (i.e. "X Windows" everywhere in the GNU Emacs 20.4 manual).

Perhaps it was done intentionally? Perhaps it's time to give it up, and add another row to the manpage?

At last, I see that using the right term is a way to show some respect to those people that provided us all with this great piece of well-engineered and well-thought software (...yes, I know that NeWS was technically better...).

Just a 0.01 Euro this time.

Suse is good for newbies...? (1)

grav.2k (117775) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489265)

i believe suse is a nice distribution for the real newbies to linux, YAST and SAX make everything damn easy, it has never been that simple to set up a linux system without having read some sort of literature about linux. i know it, i did it, i am new to linux (august 99, although i would have set up a linux system 2 years ago, if my HDD wasnt only 1,5GB...) and i only had really minor problems.

but then, suse is a bit too simple after a certain period of time, but it tends to become even MORE easy to use with every new version. i dont know if i like this fact, the graphical YAST 2 is too damn simple!
what differs linux from other OSs (except that it is almost free of charge) is the fact that you had to be good, to know something about your system, to know what you want, to a pro of a certain degree.

nothing of this anymore, everythings just NEXT, YES, I AGREE, OK, OK, OK, FINISH (REBOOT NOW/LATER). sad(not to mention the RPMs!!) i believe Red Hat is a bit more advanced that Suse, and the real pros use Debian, dont they?

today, it doesnt mean that much anymore if you can say, 'I use Linux'. 'So what, its just like win98'.....

Re:Churn and Burn (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489266)

The open source model is "release early, release often". The difference between MS and SuSE is that you can download SuSE for free, or you can buy $2 CDs from the internet. I doubt there are any huge changes in the documentation from 6.2 to 6.3, and man pages and howtos are available for free. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade either (unlike some other companies who constantly change the file formats/APIs, rendering old software useless within a couple years). I don't think you'll have any problem running your favorite programs on 6.0 - just download the security updates and a new kernel, and you'll be fine.

Re:reiser fs? (1)

k8to (9046) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489267)

Journalling Reiserfs and the tools for reiserfs were to go into SuSE 6.3. Some build issues kept it from being included into the standard kernel (unfortunately), but I expect to see patches to enable these features appear on ftp/web sites soon.

It might actually be in the US version, but I haven't had a chance to look yet.

Re:Suse is good for newbies...? (2)

Cironian (9526) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489268)

No one forces you to use YaST for everything. I use SuSE and find myself almost exclusively using YaST for installing new packages. You still can mess with configuration files the traditional way (which I prefer too), but if you dont want that you use the GUI.

There is no point in making a system intentionally hard to use. Its not a problem to have something that is hard to configure, but you also shouldnt cry "Waa, its not special anymore" if you neighbor can start using it too. Using a cool and stable OS shouldnt be a priviledge but something available to everyone.

And of course those who know what they do will always be able to get more out of their system no matter how many functions the GUI supports. :)

Re:Sexiest distribution (Re:star office) (1)

k8to (9046) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489269)

Well, I agree.. these would be pretty impressive... They have some issues though..

  • Star Office - not available for Alpha as binaries, questionable kosherness of redistributing on commercial product from SCSL-built sources, etc.
  • Netscape - Digital Unix netscape works, but isn't legal, as it requires runtime libraries from Compaq. Compaq I hear is working to allow this, but it will be some time. Netscape/alpha is yet to arrive.

Re:X-Configuration AFTER installation! (2)

k8to (9046) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489270)

With the new _friendly_ gui install (at least we hope so), X is configured as part of the install.

This isn't so bad, as we use the VESA DDC to discover screen rates, and autodetect videocards, so usually there's nothing to 'configure'. If it manages to break, or if you don't like it, or if you don't even want to think about it, boot from CD#2 and use the familiar Yast1 install, sans-gui. The in-packaging hints suggest this is a possibility if you have trouble.

Best of luck with Linux.

Re: hopefully... (1)

k8to (9046) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489271)

We tend to build the FTP and ISO images after we do the commercial release. It's not really any sort of grand scheme.. it's just we do the version which earns money first ;-)

Thus, there are about 5 distributions to make:

    • German/European US version for silly cryptolaws German FTP version "international" FTP version for silly cryptolaws Eval version - condensed single-CD version

Making all of these and testing all of these doesn't happen overnight. It will be there shortly.

Re: hopefully... (2)

k8to (9046) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489272)

We tend to build the FTP and ISO images after we do the commercial release. It's not really any sort of grand scheme.. it's just we do the version which earns money first ;-)

Thus, there are about 5 distributions to make:

  1. German/European
  2. US version for silly cryptolaws
  3. German FTP version
  4. "international" FTP version for silly cryptolaws
  5. Eval version - condensed single-CD version

Making all of these and testing all of these doesn't happen overnight. It will be there shortly.

Re:Will this work with the Promise Ultra/66 (2)

k8to (9046) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489273)

Yes, the Promise Ultra/66 should work with 6.3

At least all other UDMA/66 controllers are working.. the Promise one has proved a little more squirrely than most. I believe it is happy now, but I'm not making a promise.

If it doesn't work OOTB (Out Of The Box), we'll have a floppy image soon enough.

In fact, we've had UDMA floppy images for 66 for a bit now. If you'd like to try one send me a mail.

Re:star office (1)

kellett (26096) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489274)

i agree but in to particular reference to the sus distribution. star office is currently the most stable all-rounder...

KOffice looks like it could be /it/!

Keeping SuSe under control (1)

Wheely (2500) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489275)

I've been using SuSe since 5.2 when I changed from
using Red Hat. I find the way to keep SuSe under
control is to use "ENABLE_SUSECONFIG=no" in
/etc/rc.config. It still does has the annoying reading through rc.config twice during every single rc script though.

Regards

Re:Today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489276)

I think it will be the same as it was with the other releases. Last time they put it on their ftp server just as the same time mandrake did. This time I guess it will be around the 20th, so that they can sell as many as possible before x-mass.

Why, Rev. Jackson, how nice to hear from you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489277)

fool!

Re:Star Office 5.1a? (offtopic, I know) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489278)

What you can download from Sun is 5.1a.

Re:SuSE 6.1 had old GNOME, Enlightenment RPMs (1)

mha (1305) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489279)

(see bottom for answer to question) Gnome is now MUCH better supported than in 6.2. FInally, you can make Gnome your default in yast, and also select it in xdm/kdm when you login (if it's installed) when you login. Also, the program menu in EE shows all installed apps, I don't think that worked back in 6.2. It looks very good. Looks like I'll finally try out Gnome, I used only KDE so far. Another thing I found is LVM ("logical volume manager"), which can even be configured from within yast. I'll _have_ to try it... That's the names of the rpm's on CD2 starting with gn* on SuSE Linux 6.3: gnadmin-1.0.3-33.i386.rpm gncontr-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm gncontrd-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm gncore-1.0.54-1.i386.rpm gncored-1.0.54-1.i386.rpm gngames-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm gngamesd-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm gnlibs-1.0.53-3.i386.rpm gnlibsd-1.0.53-3.i386.rpm gnmedia-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm gnnet-1.0.2-44.i386.rpm gnobjc-1.0.2-58.i386.rpm gnorpm-0.9-1.i386.rpm gnotepad-1.1.2-57.i386.rpm gnpim-1.0.55-3.i386.rpm gnprint-0.10-3.i386.rpm gnprintd-0.10-3.i386.rpm gnumeric-0.41-3.i386.rpm gnuplot-3.7-55.i386.rpm gnutils-1.0.50-3.i386.rpm -- Michael Hasenstein EMail: mhasenst@us.oracle.com (and, by the way, SuSE Linux 6.3 is certified by Oracle with Oracle 8i already! plus: http://www.suse.de/~mha/oracle/)
--
Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/ [tu-chemnitz.de]

Re:SuSE 6.1 had old GNOME, Enlightenment RPMs (1)

mha (1305) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489280)

(see bottom for answer to question)

Gnome is now MUCH better supported than in 6.2. FInally, you can make Gnome your default in yast, and also select it in xdm/kdm when you login (if it's installed) when you login. Also, the program menu in EE shows all installed apps, I don't think that worked back in 6.2. It looks very good. Looks like I'll finally try out Gnome, I used only KDE so far.

Another thing I found is LVM ("logical volume manager"), which can even be configured from within yast. I'll _have_ to try it...

That's the names of the rpm's on CD2 starting with gn* on SuSE Linux 6.3:
gnadmin-1.0.3-33.i386.rpm
gncontr-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm
gncontrd-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm
gncore-1.0.54-1.i386.rpm
gncored-1.0.54-1.i386.rpm
gngames-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm
gngamesd-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm
gnlibs-1.0.53-3.i386.rpm
gnlibsd-1.0.53-3.i386.rpm
gnmedia-1.0.51-3.i386.rpm
gnnet-1.0.2-44.i386.rpm
gnobjc-1.0.2-58.i386.rpm
gnorpm-0.9-1.i386.rpm
gnotepad-1.1.2-57.i386.rpm
gnpim-1.0.55-3.i386.rpm
gnprint-0.10-3.i386.rpm
gnprintd-0.10-3.i386.rpm
gnumeric-0.41-3.i386.rpm
gnuplot-3.7-55.i386.rpm
gnutils-1.0.50-3.i386.rpm

--
Michael Hasenstein
EMail: mhasenst@us.oracle.com
(and, by the way, SuSE Linux 6.3 is certified by Oracle with Oracle 8i already!
plus: http://www.suse.de/~mha/oracle/)

--
Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/ [tu-chemnitz.de]

Re:Huh. SuSE is good - but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489281)

Yeah, a bit of a stretch, but according to
this [m-w.com]

Prone:
Synonyms LIABLE 2, exposed, obnoxious, open, sensitive, subject, susceptible

I guess that last one would apply in this case...
Anyway, I just finished reading this [go.com] on the Disney News web site (read the last sentence) and I guess I got a little giddy.

Re:Keeping SuSe under control (1)

mha (1305) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489282)

It still does has the annoying reading through rc.config twice during every single rc script though.

What the h... are you talking about?! Not a single SysV rc-file does anything special with rc.config, all they do is to "source" it, so that variables set in rc.config can be checked within the rc-files. That's regular shell stuff and no magic. Get yourself a beginners guide to shells!

Besides, it only sources rc.config ONCE, not twice. And setting a shell variable START_[some-daemon]="Yes|No" in rc.config is a lot easier than removing and inserting links in the runlevel directories. With the SuSE method those links are always there, with the correct names, meaning the correct numbers, i.e. the correct sequence of startup and shutdown. Of course, if you think a "real (Marlboro?) man" is one who keeps track of all these links in all the various runlevel directories, so be it.
--
Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/ [tu-chemnitz.de]

Re:6.3 is pretty good (1)

seaportcasino (121045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489283)

Oh yeah! I'm so excited by this release. It seems like forever since the last new and exciting linux distro release. I'm really bummed that the journaling file system isn't included. That is so critical for the production grade db stuff I do on a daily basis.

I'm still going to try this version of SUSE. This will be my first time trying it. So far, I've tried Red Hat and Mandrake, and I actually preferred Mandrake over Red Hat. Now I've been hearing great things about SUSE and I can't wait to give it a try!

It doesn't really matter what distro you use. (2)

Dast (10275) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489284)

Personaly, the only two distro's I consider are Debian and Redhat, but it really doesn't matter what you use, aside from the installation process.

You can set up any linux box to boot up to a simplistic (read: limited) X interface and feel like you're using windoze. But at the same time, you can take any user friendly distro and rip off the cruft, making it into a barebones system.

Personaly, between Debian and Redhat, I'm more of a Redhat man, because of how far Debian has gotten behind. Now, don't get me wrong, I have *high* respect for the Debian crew. They spend heaps of time making sure their distro has been tested and working flawlessly. Yeah, there may be a few less than perfect initscripts in RH, or this and that, but it isn't anything that 5 minutes wont fix, and it doesn't involve needing an internet connection. And it is also true that graphical installers happen to suck ass, but I'm not going to choose my distro based on something I only have to do once with it.

Because most of my installs have been on new machines, and I don't want to install Debian and then have to bring the whole system up to speed, as I think their stable distro is still glibc 2.0 (correct me if I am wrong on this). (Hehe, maybe I could find someone to make me some unstable distro cd's and find a non-critical box). I might be able to get away with a ftp/nfs install, but my internet connection (cable modem through Cox@Home) is terribly flaky.

When Debian goes stable on their latest distro, and I have another machine that needs a fresh install, it will be with Debian. If not, it will probably be a Redhat box. Doesn't really matter that much to me.

But the overall point is, no matter what distro you use, it is up to you if you want it to be windoze like, or if you want to tear it down and change it. Nothing is hidden from you when you run an open system. :)

Re:star office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489285)

may be big, but it works, and works well. Its the only REAL choice on linux for an office suite we have .. at the moment .. and what does this have to do with suse?

Re:reiner fs? (1)

orcrist (16312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489286)

I'm running the German S.u.S.E. 6.3 right now, and have menuconfig right in front of my face:
Under Filesystems:
Reiserfs support

Hmmmm. Looks like it's there to me. Haven't tried it out yet though. (Considering I don't even know how to make use of it yet, I probably won't until other people pound on it for a while)

Chris

Re:ReiserFS (2)

Christopher B. Brown (1267) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489287)

I sure hope that the journalling edition wasn't included; the base format for the filesystem is still in flux.

I would tend to think it highly questionable to include a filesystem before it has even entered the experimental kernel series.

Reiserfs may be close to being ready for that, but it's not quite ready for general deployment...

Re:X-Configuration AFTER installation! (1)

telos (34293) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489288)


When I installed Suse 6.2 on my mother's p60, w/32Mb ram and an 8gig hd, we did the install and did not have to bother with Xwin. Mom went and just bought the cds in an effort to keep her little aging computer useful. I had to dig up the driver for the video card which is about 6 years old, maybe older. I configured it when I had time about a week or so later. It took some extra time and was less intuitive, but it is up and running rather well.
Some time even later, I did the PPP configuration using yast, which was remarkably simple. Now what I have to do is get the Netscape version that is on there to load .jpg files correctly. Does any one have any ideas what could be fouling that up?

Re:Will this work with the Promise Ultra/66 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489289)

Is your last line "keep on keeping on" a reference to the Keith Caputo song?

Re:6.3 is pretty good (1)

abischof (255) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489290)

>I think the new graphical installer still has some flaws.

BTW, does anyone have any screenshots of the new GUI installer?

Alex Bischoff
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Re:Suse is good for newbies...? (1)

trabic (10931) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489291)

I too bought SUSE6.2 when it came out for my first Distro. my first couple of installs went pretty easy and that let me get into it. Just when I thought I had the hang of it I tried to do an install on a IBM ThinkPad 760xd that was gatering dust. That was a learning experience! It had a bizzarre video card that really didn;t like Sax, but,using the suse manual an o'reilley book managed to get it going, and in the process learn all kinds of config stuff that I wasn't going to pick up any other way.

anyway, my point is just cause Yast is pretty easy that doesn't mean you can;t learn the hard way too.

regards
Travis

Re:Churn and Burn (2)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489292)

Actually, I found that I could get individual copies from CheapBytes for about the price of a subscription copy.

D

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Re:Churn and Burn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489293)

I made the mistake of buying a subscription copy of SUSE a while back. I paid them a nice sum of money and assumed (mistakenly) that I would get free updates until my year's subscription lapsed. SUSE ended up automatically charging my credit card and shipping me a CD every time a new update came out. This really pissed me off. Fortunately my credit card expired soon afterwards and they were only able to pull this off once. "Churn and Burn" is right! They are really socking it to the poor bastards who have subscriptions.

Oops (1)

orcrist (16312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489294)

My bag. I just read below that it's the non-journaling Reiserfs which is included with 6.3

Chris

SuSE Today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489295)

I was looking through SuSE's ftp site, and it appears as if they don't have it up yet. That, or they are extremely bogged down. Has anyone found a place of which to download it yet? Or perhaps, when it will be available?

Re:ReiserFS (1)

orcrist (16312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489296)

I would tend to think it highly questionable to include a filesystem before it has even entered the experimental kernel series.

I prefer it to be there so I can decide whether to use it or not. Afterall you have to compile the kernel to have it in there, and let's face it, if you're compiling a kernel you should be in a position to decide whether you want to try it or not. Complete newbies will probably just use one of the pre-compiled kernels. Anyways, even if it were compiled in, the filesystem used by the setup is ext2, so I can hardly imagine someone will just stumble into using the experimental stuff.

Chris

Alpha Distro coming soon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489297)

I am still waiting for my 6.1 Alpha distro. Been on back order for some time.

This company is getting long on headlines, short on delivery.

They must be too busy getting into bed with a bunch of partners to worry about paying customers. I pay money for service, not to get treated like a Microsoft customer.

It seems that all the companies know that all the linux users are sort of fanatical, and can be treated like shit.

They don't seem to realize that all they sell is service.

Suse is on my shitlist. I am sick of this type of behavior.

Re:X-Configuration AFTER installation! (1)

prefec (121353) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489298)

Well init 3 on SuSE Linux starts xdm/kdm or gdm
so it might be better to say init 2 :-)

Future (1)

Star Traveller (115341) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489299)

The question is, if Linux becomes very popular, would it still be Linux?

There are probably many people who would not like to see the power of Linux in the hands of "the unwashed masses" and leave.

Will this happen?

Re:X-Configuration AFTER installation! (1)

ACK!! (10229) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489300)

First, SuSE in the past did not force X install but annoyed the hell out of you if you did not install X. Just ignore that crap and get everything non-X going before going through XF86Config or SAX.

Second never do a X login until after you get the X configuration correct. Personally, I go for the text mode login and an edited .profile that launches into startx as the last line. Newbies don't face the dreaded command line for long and it gives you less crap than the X login stuff. I have in the past had my X configuration perfect, my system worked just fine but after going for the graphical login nobody could get in. Annoying.

Re:Keeping SuSe under control (1)

ACK!! (10229) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489301)

Gosh, the guy thought he knew what he was talking about but did not. Give it a rest. Explain to someone why they are wrong but there is no need to go off on them. Your response is the kind of garbage that give linux/unix users a bad name.

How many times have I heard "Yeah the linux guy I work with knows everything but he is so rude I would not ask him a question to save my soul."

I have also heard "If the rude back and forth bickering I see on most linux newsgroups is what you guys call community you can have it."

Re:6.3 is pretty good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489302)

http://www.suse.de/de/produkte/susesoft/linux/yast 2.html

Frank

Does it trash the partition as well as Corel? (1)

bbcat (8314) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489303)

I hope this graphic install isn't as buggy as
that of Corel. Hopefully I can have a normal
install, I sure hell don't want to be stuck
in a graphic boot as is plagued Corel Linux.

Under Corel the loading of the graphic kdm
was done after the boot at level 2. Normally
you switch to level 2 to get the system back
to sanity but Corel forced the graphic boot
even under level 2.

Removing the offending kdm script fixed the bug
but it was quite annoying to have to look for the
solution to the graphic boot.

X Window System (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489304)

I constantly hear people talking about "X-Windows" and it's really annoying. There are also people who constantly remind others that they've got Linux 6.1 (they mean Red Hat 6.1). And most of them bug me with problems which they can solve themselves by RTFM. Some constantly call me at home to go to their house and install Red Hate for them! Everyone can install a distro like Red Hate or ZooZee if they just take 10 minutes to read the manuals.

Hmmm (2)

jfunk (33224) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489305)

Interestingly enough, those screenshots have a KDE 2 look to them.

Are they including a pre-alpha KDE 2 with 6.3? Did they modify KDE 1 like Corel did?

Maybe this is only for the YaST 2...

Re: hopefully... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489306)

I got the eval-version from Comdex but haven't bothered to fiddle with it yet (as i got sick of configuring stuff with Caldera OpenLinux 2.3). May I ask what's the difference between this and the others? Thanks

Possibly less stable than you think... (3)

Christopher B. Brown (1267) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489307)

The issues coming over the ReiserFS mailing list are that the base format ( e.g. handling of things like the superblock) are being changed, and it is reasonably likely that the FS running today on 2.2.13 will not be readable by the version of ReiserFS that will is deployed next month on 2.3.x.

There is not yet agreement as to what the upgrade path should be like.

The point is that what's available a month from now will likely not "play well" with what is available right now. That's necessary in the development of a better filesystem; it is certainly not good for the deployment of this, at least not just yet.

Re:Keeping SuSe under control (1)

mha (1305) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489308)

ok
--
Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/ [tu-chemnitz.de]

Re:Suse is good for newbies...? Yea Right! (1)

papason (4755) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489309)

I guess that is why Linus runs SuSE, cause it's just for newbies.

Re:Alpha Distro coming soon? (1)

papason (4755) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489310)

So have you tried sending any e-mail to suse.de and let them know of your plight ? Might be good to try that as they have been excellent in all of my requests for help.

Rpms (1)

mike32 (121342) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489311)

Hi, Is all the 1500 apps which come with suse 6.3 in rpm format becuase i want to do a full install and then remive what i dont want and it will be easier to do if they are rpms.

Re:Will this work with the Promise Ultra/66 (1)

elalio (119258) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489312)

>> Is your last line "keep on keeping on" a reference to the Keith Caputo song?

..Or is it a reference to Greg Sage - "Straight ahead"??

Suse on DVD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489313)

What I am wondering is SuSE now Comes on DVD but how far does the DVD support go ... Just reading the data or will there be audio/video playback support to ?

Re:Rpms (1)

orcrist (16312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489314)

Is all the 1500 apps which come with suse 6.3 in rpm format...

Yes

Re:SuSE Today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489315)

It will take some weeks, till you can get it by ftp. That's Suse ! Lass die Sonne rein...

what does "soon" mean this time? (1)

drago (1334) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489316)

The last time SuSE talked about the images "soon" being on their ftp-servers it took about two weeks so they had enough time to make _big_ profits with selling their CDs... why do I always get the impression SuSE that tries to copy M$'s success, with similar rough methods? Think about the registry, pardon, rc.config...

Re:6.3 is pretty good (1)

LenZ (1441) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489317)

Screenshots are here [www.suse.de] !

Re:Today? (1)

leine (26987) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489318)

I got my 6.3 (the one for the german market) last week. There was no problem in getting it at our University's bookshop

Re:6.3 is pretty good (1)

ALecs (118703) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489319)

So, any bets on how much of Yast2 gets translated properly this time? *snicker*

-Josh

Logo's too cute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489320)

I think the only reason why I really like SuSE is the darned cute logo! That little fella and his smile make my day.

Re:what does "soon" mean this time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489321)

Are you really complaining about having to wait TWO WHOLE WEEKS? Get a life.

I honestly don't know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489322)


I had a history professor who was heavy into eastern religions (though he was an agnostic).

It is either a phrase from Taoist or Budhist philosophy.

The original phrase was in (I think) chinese and sounded something like "Boo Ker Err Weigh" but I have no idea how it was spelt.

Whatever, it beats EOF and is a truer sentiment than sincerely yours or other such stuff.

BTW, thanks for the promise info. Could not get RH or FreeBSD to work with this controller, although support has been around for some time. Catch 22, need the (for linux) 2.3 kernel, but have to have an installation to compile the 2.3 kernel. Promise, on their site has drivers and an installation procedure for RH 6.0, but no indication if it works with 6.1.

At work I tried out Suse 5.something and really liked it. For one thing it actually worked out of the box with my NT/Hummingbird eXceed workstation, unlike any of the latest RH distros

I'll fire up the cable modem and try to download an ISO image tonight..

Re:Suse is good for newbies...? (1)

screeching weasel (18046) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489323)

what do you mean "if my HDD wasn't only 1.5 GB"...
I just installed slackware (an older version, kernel 2.0.0) on a 386 with a 40MB hard drive, with 5 megs left over for user files. i got gcc, the c libs, tcp/ip, sendmail, and a Scheme interpreter into that little space.

damn kids today... just don't appreciate disk space...


joe

Re:Today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489324)

Yeah, but maybe you realized that we are talking about ftp availability. Of course you can buy it in a bookshop, but it makes no much sense to do so when you have a permanent connection to the net.

Re:Hi people (0)

warmi (13527) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489325)

Heheeh ..
Grits boys are getting more and more sophisticated ...
I like em ...

FYI: Re:X Window System (1)

TBone (5692) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489326)

Um....it IS XWindows. Yes, the full name is the X Windowing System, and it really doesn't have anything to do with how your display works and looks, but we even called it XWindows back when I started college in '92. Are you complaining that it's used generically, like "Linux 6.1"? Or that we just added an X to the beginning of that other OS?

Do you complain when people say "Can you hand me a Kleenex?" when there's nothing but Acme brand facial tissue around? Or when your boss tells you that he needs some Xerox's made of these papers for a presentation this afternoon?

If people are bugging you to install Linux like people used to bug me, point out to them that they will have no problem installing it themselves. Tell them where on the CD the Linux-Install-HOWTO is. Tell them to make sure they grab all the manuals for their computer just in case their hardware isn't recognized so they can look at it and pick the right one out of a list. Don't get so uppity, if it hadn't been for people telling me where to find the information on how to do all the things I learned back when, I wouldn't know as much as I do now.

And maybe they'll learn enought o stop asking you questions in the first place, which should be your ultimate goal anyway.

Re:Keeping SuSe under control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489327)

How many times have I heard "Yeah the linux guy I work with knows everything but he is so rude I would not ask him a question to save my soul."

Well, in my experience that's the BSD admins who act that way...the linux users are the ones who want to take over the world and get their OS on as many desktops as possible...on the other hand BSD is quiet, stable, and they like it that way very much, thank you. I don't think they'd stand for letting the Great Unwashed ask dumb questions about their OS.

where the hell is Redhat's Alpha.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489328)

Redhat hasn't been any more prompt with their alternate distros. Despite the delays, I will have to say that my impression with the SPARC distro is that they acctually worked the bugs out before they shipped it! I am quite happy to see this change from Redhat.

Re:Hmmm (1)

rgottsch (18092) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489329)

They do not include pre-alpha KDE2 :-( They only used QT2 for their installer (the start with platinum-style)

Too simplistic or Too complicated (1)

rgottsch (18092) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489330)

There seems to be no in-between in SuSE. Either I spend an eternity selecting or deselecting packages, or I use YAST2 and select BIIG Chunks of software at once, with no chance to fine-grain.

I would like to see something like this on the package-selection in Linux-Distributions:

  • Base System (needed components)
  • Services
    • Printing
    • Local Mail transfer
    • Fax Tools
    • ...
  • Server Applications
    • Web Servers
    • - with SSL
  • ..

Office Applications

  • Text Editing
  • Word Processing
  • .....

...
Not even Corel has something like that. When I install my workstation I do not care if the email program I install is called 'balsa' or 'empath'. I want to have an email program. You can give me a selection of email programs and tell me how

  • Userfriendly
  • Functional
  • Buggy
  • ...
they are. I decide then - but I really hate it to go through the packages series and go through a bunch of cryptic package names to select.

I also really would like to have an alphabetical list where all the packages are listed. I recently looked for the printing services (lpr) and I found it in networking. Ok, yes you can print over the network but that was not my first thought.

Other than that I really like SuSE and I was using 5.2 and then got into it from 6.0/6.1/6.2 and now 6.3. I did one install with YAST2 to try it out, looked at the mess it installed (as I said: one click selects a BIIIG number of applications) tried to deselect what I did not like, then did a clean re-install with YAST just selecting what I wanted (wasting another half an hour).

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