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Apple Ending Engineering Credits in Products

CmdrTaco posted more than 14 years ago | from the now-thats-kinda-sad dept.

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JChris writes "Apparently Apple is ending its tradition of allowing team members to take named credit for products." It also talks about the end of easter eggs and changes in the Apple corporate with Jobs back at the helm. Its an interesting bit. Makes me kinda sad. Easter eggs are one of those things that I always enjoyed, and just seeings credits... well, it only seems fair.

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This is a sad day... (3)

T.Hobbes (101603) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488797)

That's too bad. I've always had fun hacking into programs with ResEdit, and adding my name to the credits... ahh, now I'll actually have to work in order to get credit.

(P.S. - 1st Post?)

Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (3)

TheFitz (113719) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488799)

In Apple's famous commercial, they are fighting against "Big Brother" (then IBM). It seems as though the Mac is trying to emulate that Big Brother attitude in saying that no one person deserves the credit for something, all credit goes to your glorious employer, Apple. Kinda scares ya when you think about it.

now only if.... (1)

motardo (74082) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488805)

now only if Micro$oft stopped doing that, it'd make their products about 300 megs smaller and more stable :P -motardo

Microsoft Credits (3)

Decker (4953) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488807)

I know I'm being picky, but the article states that Microsoft has never included credits in their products. Well, in IE4, not only was there an easter egg, but it included credits for the people who worked on the program. I don't know about other Microsoft products, but I know that that one definitely had credits in it.

Again, just nitpicking....

Why else do Developers work such crazy hours? (2)

meckardt (113120) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488811)

If it wasn't for the opportunity to importalize themselves in the software, would all those developers work such long hours? Admittedly, the money's good, but you don't think that's the real reason they went into this field, do you?

Mike Eckardt [geocities.com] meckardt@yahoo.spam.com

Perhaps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488813)

Maybe it's not that they'll no longer allow employees to take individual credit; perhaps it's that the employees no longer want their names associated with the products.

microsoft owns 10% (1)

betamax_ (106116) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488814)

Maybe when microsoft bought 10% of apple they were also changing their ethics. The great thing about apple was always that they were fun and actually acknowledged the hackers working for them. This was a lot like what OSS is now. In my eyes this culminates a series of changes that makes them just like Microsoft. Now they care more about selling their colorful computers than anything else. I think that Jobs was better on acid.

Re:Microsoft Credits (1)

Mr. Penguin (87934) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488817)

Well, there are credits in Excel 95, which you can get to after playing an Easter Egg that's like a 3d maze, and there are credits in Windows 95, or in Excel 97 if you press F5, type X97:L97, press "TAB," and press "make graph option." So, yes, M$ does put credits in lots of their products. I bet that if you went through, probably all of their software has some sort of credits in it.


Brad Johnson
Advisory Editor

Comment from Microsoft... (2)

humphrm (18130) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488878)

Microsoft Corp., the world's largest software maker, has never included credits. The company has always considered its name to represent the work of all its internal teams, said company spokesman Adam Sohn.

I think that they overlooked some famous MS Easter Eggs of past that did, in fact, include a roster of credits for Windows (3.1? 95?) including some artistic renderings or pictures of some members, IIRC.

Yeah, here they are...

  1. Create a new folder on the desktop and title it "and now, the moment you've all been waiting for"
  2. Rename that folder to "we proudly present for your viewing pleasure"
  3. Rename it the folder to "The Microsoft Windows 95 Product Team!"
  4. Open the folder, and the credits should be displayed.

[Courtesy of http://www.htsoft.com/easter [htsoft.com] ]

Good for Linux? :-) (1)

Bill Henning (504) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488880)

Maybe all those Apple programmers will start writing for Linux... where they can get credit for the code they write?

credits / easter eggs (2)

Lurking Grue (3963) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488881)

I'm sorry to see the tradition of credits ending. Even easter eggs are sometimes ok, although embedding flight simulators in spreadsheets is a bit extreme. While at the CGE in August I listened to the original Activision guys talk about how credit for their work at Atari was important. Atari didn't like giving its programmers credit, and even got upset at easter eggs. (Pay was certainly a factor too, but I'm not sure where Apple stands on that issue right now.) They left Atari and founded a company so that they could enjoy life again, while also getting financially rewarded for their efforts. You gotta wonder if the engineers at Apple are feeling the same way right about now.

Good Riddence for 'Easter Eggs' bloat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488883)

At least we won't be seeing a pinball game, a flight simulator, or even a 3D first personal shooter to double the hard disk space requirements for Apple's software. But still, I doubt Steve Jobs did this to remove bloat.

Re:Microsoft Credits (1)

fatboy (6851) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488885)

There is also one in Win98. I don't think I would have wanted my name on that POS ;)

Re:Microsoft Credits (3)

darkshadow (102598) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488889)

Got this from a mailing list a while back.
Try it, it works.

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http://www.insanely-great.com/news/98/5/news04.htm l#excel97 [insanely-great.com]

"FLIGHT SIMULATOR" HIDDEN INSIDE EXCEL 97

It's pretty basic. Check the credits on the "hillside"

Ever wonder why Microsoft applications become slower with each new release?
Apparently the constant rain in Redmond has driven Microsoft to obsessive flights of fancy. Below are instructions on how to access a little flight simulator that was inexplicably hidden by precipitous programmers deep inside Excel 97.

1. In Excel 97, open a new blank work sheet.

2. Press F5 (go to function) and type X97:L97 in the 'Reference' box.

Then click OK

3. Now hit your tab key once (you should end up in cell M97).

4. Here's the tricky part: press CTRL + SHIFT while clicking once on the 'chart wizard' icon (the one at the top with the blue-yellow-red bar chart).

5. After a few moments, you should be flying.

6. Steer with the mouse, accel and decel with the left and rightmouse buttons respectively, and look for the monolith with the program credits. You can exit the screen by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+ESC.

7. Steer with the mouse. Moving it sideways moves you sideways.

8. Acceleration depends on mouse acceleration. Left Click to zoom in, right click to zoom out. You can hit ESC to quit. But then, you must restart EXCEL and do it all over again to get back.

Aww, there goes MY fun. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488891)

Whenever I'm at computer stores, it's usually Macs and Wintels on display. And I always go straight to the Mac's. I go machine to machine, roll the credits, and grin. Easter eggs are great fun if they're small and rewarding.

Good easter egg examples:

The simple and old-school 'About the Finder'

Some not Apple ones:

From Photoshop 4: The electric pussy cat that belches!

Come on, these things are just hilarious. Even Gnome has strange and obscure About dialogs.. Like the new Rubber Squeaky Gnome.

What happened to honor? (2)

nuntius (92696) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488895)

I once heard that if its not good enough to put your name on it, then it shouldn't be released. Will this bring an end to the tradition of quality which Apple software has had?

No Microsoft Credits? (1)

PenguinDude (27312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488896)

This may be a bit offtopic, but according to the article
"Microsoft Corp., the world's largest software maker, has never included credits. The company has always considered its name to
represent the work of all its internal teams, said company spokesman Adam Sohn."
I seemingly recall that in Windows 3.1, you could get a list of developers by holding CTRL+ALT+SHIFT and double clicking on the Windows logo in the about box (or something similar to that). Also, there were similar "easter" eggs in Excel and Word that I heard about.

Anyway, I personally believe in giving credit where credit is due. I don't agree with Apple's excuse for having large development teams, with input coming from "thousands" of developers. True, there may be a large number of people working and contributing to a project, but I still think that everyone should be recognized. And, as the article mentioned, Apple was really good about it from the beginning. Oh well, times do change, I guess.

Re:Microsoft Credits (1)

bonk (13623) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488900)

Never? Hah! I still remember the old win 3.x program manager/file manager easter egg...

Well, kinda remember it.

I think if you did help->about. ctrl-alt-shift left click on the microsoft logo. It shows a waving flag. Hit ok. do it again, and the credits come up. Or it was something similair to that. But I distinctly remember the credits would come up.

Well, that just made my mind up (1)

In-Doge (116196) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488907)

That just sealed it. I was thinking of making an apple my next computer, what with the G4 and all, but with this recent development I can't say I'll ever buy an apple product.

I can't believe I've ever advocated these morons to any customer during my days of tech support.

As an overall all-around "geek" and a bit of a programmer, I can't believe my eyes on this little bit. Any software developer working for apple just got thier pride and joy taken away - the right to call the software they created thier own.

I wouldn't be suprised if there's a slew of "layoffs" now that apple has decided to do this, as they try to get employees to sign stupid legal agreements that keep them from claiming rights to the software, if they haven't given up that right already.

Sticking with my PC, I guess.

A tad on the dumb side (1)

Otto (17870) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488909)

A bit of a dumb move by Steve.. The last thing you want to do when trying to build a company up is to piss off your employees.

While it is a minor thing, nothing I'd quit over, it would make be quite angry. I mean, what about tradition, huh? What about pride in your work? Does craftsmanship mean nothing?

Admittedly, it's just Apple, which is a horrible steaming pile of crap nowadays. Forget good products, we'll sell colored ones!

Whatever happened to the movers and shakers? What happened to the guys who did these things because they thought the technology was cool, not because of profit potential?

I just can't help but wondering where the new generation of weirdos is. :-)

---

Apple lost sense of humor... (1)

krynos (1706) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488911)

A company that won't allow easters eggs and no credits, has IMHO lost his sense of humor and its soul... It was nice when Apple where not only colored computers, we'll miss it...

Re:microsoft owns 10% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488913)

I don't think it's so much Microsoft as Jobs himself. You hit it right on the head, tho. If Jobs isn't high, he should be.

Think about this fact: Jobs used NEXT Software Inc. to get his foot back in the door at Apple; promises were made then that it could take a whole Usenet Newsgroup to fight over. (And does) Suffice to say, what was expected and what has happened are fairly far apart (although Darwin is generally a good thing.)

Now, Jobs sees fruit-colored dollar signs in front of his eyes. The iMacs and related stuff are truly a Big Thing to happen to Apple; probably the biggest thing since the first Mac. Jobs shoves NEXT a.k.a. Apple Enterprise on the back burner, screws his most loyal NEXT clients, and opts for the slant that he's "going back to making computers for humans", which I'm sure it doesn't hurt him one bit that that's where all the friggin money is now (e.g. iMac).

Re:Microsoft Credits (1)

sparcy (98419) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488915)

Not only that, but there is that easter egg in Excel 6.0 (I believe) that when activated displayed a 3D world you could fly around in and there was a stone structure that had the programming credits for Excel scrolling on it.

Plus I believe there was credits included in Win3.11 the could be accessed through easter eggs.

Maybe what they meant was that credits were never directly listed from Microsoft. If you wanted to see the credits it was related to a easter egg that you had to find.

Read first (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488916)

Before this continues and this becomes "Slashdotted", you need to read some of their possible reasoning towards this. "Others say the ban may also mask Apple's increasing paranoia to keep the identity of its key people under wraps. Engineering teams highlighted in credits are at times believed to be the source of leaks of confidential company information and are increasingly the target of poaching by other companies and search firms in the fierce high-tech job market." If you ask me, they have every right to keep their engineers to themselves. Who the hell spends time reviewing the credits anyway, maybe to find a version number!

What a bother over something so small (2)

Duxup (72775) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488918)

To me this just seems an awful large bother over such small things that don't cause any problems. I always enjoyed the little Easter eggs in programs, they are fun. Not that I think anyone reads the credits, but I always enjoyed having my name somewhere on the few programming jobs I've worked on.

The fact that Steve Jobs took the time to come up with a memo telling people that such things are banned seems a waste of time. Maybe Steve has too much time on his hands? Perhaps the same amount of time on his hands that the programmers have when they create such little eggs?

Goodbye eggs! (2)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488920)

I feel bad to see Apple pulling all the 'fun' out of their products. But if the eggs and the credits have to go, I feel it is only fitting for the man who started them, Jobs, to hand down the decree.

Let's all power up the old LC or IIfx we have in the closet and hit it one more time for the guys and gals at Apple. We appreciate your effort, even if you don't get your name etched in.

Blue Sky Rangers (2)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488922)

Back in the early 80s, there was a good deal of competition for videogame programers. Companys were known to poach each other's talent. Mattel Electronics (Intellivision) attempted to avoid this by not listing the names of their developers. Instead, the group was referred to as The Blue Sky Rangers [webcom.com] .

Too Bad (1)

chamont (25273) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488923)

Hackers want to have a good time at work, or else what was once a cool job just becomes a regular old job. I'd stay at a place that pays me slightly less than another if it's a cool place to work, and I'd bet most other people feel the same as me. It may get them (Apple) productivity increases at first, but they'll slowly lose people as the developers find that it sucks to work there now. Oh well--they never really catered to hacker as end-users, so why should the employees be treated any differently. It's a shame.

Monty

And what happens to ex-employees? (5)

Wee (17189) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488927)

So if you start putting credits in software, what happens when a new version comes out but some of the people who have worked on the software have moved on or left the company altogether? Do they stay in the credits? After all, some portion of the software is a result of their efforts. It's a sticky question, and the list of credits can get really huge depending on your answer.

So you have to draw the line somewhere. When an engineering effort gets big, it can become unwieldy just to list all the current workers, much left those who've moved on. What do you do: list them all, just the current people, or nobody at all? It's easiest to list nobody.

Take a look at the credits for Eudora Pro sometime when you're bored (and if you're really bored, hold down the ctrl key while the list of names is scrolling by). Some of the people listed there haven't worked at Qualcomm for years. But they've been left in because some part of themselves went into Eudora.

Leaving them in is fine by me -- they were all part of the same big family. But maybe Apple doesn't think that way anymore. Maybe Jobs is just making sure he has one less thing to worry about. Either way, it's not much of an issue.

-B

This is why Atari progrmrs quit 2 form Activision. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488929)

Atari never gave credit to the programmers for their hard work (though a few easter eggs were sneaked in). Movies credit most all involved all the time, right down to the waterboys. Why shouldn't programmers receive similar recognition?

BTW, of Atari and Activision, guess who's still around today?

Re:Microsoft Credits (2)

Decker (4953) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488931)

>Maybe what they meant was that credits were never directly listed from Microsoft.
>If you wanted to see the credits it was related to a easter egg that you had to find.

Since so many people know that, I wonder why they didn't put it that way.... Even non-computer geek friends of mine know about these, instructions are all over the web on how to get at them.

Ah well, journalism, what can I say? :)

Re:microsoft owns 10% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488933)

That's a fine theory, except for the fact that Microsoft has, and does, allow Easter Eggs into many of their products. Most often the Easter Eggs themselves contain credits.

Always so quick to bash MS, huh?

More Microsoft Credits (4)

Ralph Bearpark (2819) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488935)

Funny old world ain't it? When Apple talk about dropping their Easter Eggs we get all dewy eyed ... but when the subject is Micro$oft's Easter Eggs then the talk is of software bloat.

Anyway, more of this stupidity can be found at The Easter Egg Archive [eeggs.com] .

Regards, Ralph.

Re:Comment from Microsoft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488937)

I got a blue screen of death just kidding, but it would be fitting

Protest? (1)

Coventry (3779) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488938)

Is there an email address or website where we can show our displeasure at these decisions?

Re:Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (2)

EvilGwyn (120620) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488939)

While I agree that it is kind of a shame, when you look at it realistically they have literally hundreds or thousands of people working on their biggest projects. The question is where do you draw the line at who gets included? Does the guy that came in from another department for an hour to help fix a bug get on the list?

I remember the easter egg in IE4 that listed the developers working on that project. It seemed to have around a thousand names in it. To store that would take maybe 20 or 30k which would not otherwise be needed, plus the likelihood is that this amount of new code will introduce bugs and take people away from what they are really supposed to be doing :)

I find myself wondering what I would do if I was the boss. On a medium to large project (maybe less than 100 people) then the benefits of including a credits listing (namely improved staff morale and maybe increasing the products "fun factor") would outweigh the costs.

Mac SE ROMS had dithered BW photos of design staff (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488940)

You press the "programmers switch" (gotta love that phrase) and type G <some address> and 3 photos loop over and over endlessly every few seconds. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the address.

Sarcastic Response (1)

Carnage4Life (106069) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488941)

Of course your right. Windows is unstable because of the ending credits hidden inside.

Bad Command Or File Name

Re:What happened to honor? (1)

Score Whore (32328) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488942)

Apple's tradition of quality in software is a myth. They had some good ideas in the beginning, but they sat on them complacently for ten years and lost the war to their competitors. Now they have crufty feeling UIs and unstable OSes. Hopefully they will be able to pull their heads out with OS X.

Re:Microsoft Credits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488943)

Hard to blame the journalist, it seems that a Microsoft spokesperson is the one who said Microsoft doesn't do credits/easter eggs. Unless the journalist is just a huge liar.

You can't win Jobs (1)

octover (22078) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488944)

"You can limit my mouse input to one button. You can give me a really fast processor and a limited number of programs to use on it. You can have my spot in the credits, but as God as my witness you will not take my right, as a programmer, to write easter eggs!" Jobs should expect to hear this muttered at Apple right before the fighting breaks out.

Microsoft and Easter eggs (1)

Silicon_Knight (66140) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488945)

That's totally not true about Microsoft and the no-name credits rule. I have a friend on the Win2000 dev-team, and not only is his name in the easter egg, so is a "Free Kevin" comment. 8-) -=- SiKnight

Ridiculously Shortsighted (2)

ewhac (5844) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488946)

Programmers have egos, too, you know (especially at Apple). If executive staff can't or won't acknowledge that, then they're further down the path of their own demise than they suspect.

I remember back during Atari's golden years, when they were run by Warner Communications. The edict was that no credit was to be given to any programmer, ever. Individuals who incorporated easter eggs were fired and, occasionally, sued (as Mark Riley, author of AtariWriter, will attest. There were extenuating circumstances in this particular case, but the lawsuit was just gratuitous).

Hell, Electronic Arts was, in part, founded on the idea of giving programmers credit for their work. On the box. With a short bio and photo! The first products out of EA clearly demonstrated the pride these people took in their work. Programmer credit continues at EA to this day.

There is no legitimate reason for them to impose this rule, especially after all these years. It's just mean-spirited.

"But if we put the names of our programmers in the product, our competitors will know who they are and hire them away!"

I've heard this argument before, and it's impossibly lame. If you treat your people well, pay them well, offer a good work environment, and offer the opportunities to work on seriously cool sh*t, this problem does not exist.

Schwab

Re:Comment from Microsoft... (2)

irix (22687) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488947)

Interestingly, I got this from the same http://www.htsoft.com/easter site.

If you are stuck behind a NT 4.0 box at work, you can also try changing the screen saver to 3D Text and then set the text to be displayed to "not evil" (all small caps, no quotes) and you get to see the names of the NT developers. I just tried this on my NT Workstation 4.0/SP6 and it worked.

AFAIK, this is pretty much what Apple used to do. I remember back when I had an Mac II CX (a while ago)on my desk, you could hold down a certain key combo when your machine booted and you would get a picture of the entire development team.

Re:Microsoft Credits (2)

Decker (4953) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488948)

Yeah, good point. It didn't say whether or not they have credits, just that the Microsoft spokesperson said they didn't. I wasn't implying any blame on the journalist, anyways, but whatever....

We do tend to get a lot of interesting statements from Microsoft spokespersons, now don't we? :)

Re:What a bother over something so small (2)

hanway (28844) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488949)

In the SJMercury article, the point is made that individual credits make the technical contributors more visible and thus more likely to be recruited away. It seems only fair -- the managers are already visible because they're the ones who get quoted in company press releases. "FooBar 3.1 is the greatest advance in technology since sliced bread," said P. H. Boss, Manager, Advanced Products. You know that Mr(s). Boss had nothing to do with the actual technology.

One of the supposed reasons for dropping individual credits is that the lists have become too large, but that doesn't seem like a valid excuse. I work on software used by the motion picture industry, and while I don't get a credit in the software, the people who use the software usually get a credit in the movie, even if it's buried among thousands of credits and falls somewhere between the credit for the caterer and the obligatory 'no animals were harmed' statement.

Re:Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488950)

They could write one "credit" window object that can be called from any program, and embed it into one of the OS shared libraries. Any Apple program could then pass a credits list for that application. Wasted space for credits goes way down this way. It's bad enough that companies can take away your original ideas, even when not related to the company, nor on company time. (Well, not all companies work this way, but many do.....) -thomas

The next thing you will hear is... (3)

cowmix (10566) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488951)

"Today Pixar Chairman Steve Jobs announced the end of 'credits' at the end of Pixar feature movies..."

A different view (2)

JohnG (93975) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488952)

Everybody seems to be so upset for the programmers. I agree it is kinda cool to see your name in the credits of something. But personally I don't code so I can become famous. I do it because I enjoy it and because I can create some tools that I need or want. The Apple people still have this, they still enjoy what they are doing and probably don't care about the credit situation.
I mean think about it, when you go to a restaraunt it doesn't say on the menu, the food is prepared by so-and-so. When you buy a car there isn't a pamphlet that says this car was assembled by so-and-so. Heck when you buy jeans all you get is the number of the inspector (it almost always seems to be 11).
I think we are all getting too worked up for nothing. The programmers can still put food in their family's mouth and a roof over their head. I think that is what is really important to them.

Re:Comment from Microsoft... (2)

Accipiter (8228) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488953)

There's a quicker way to do that.

Just create a new folder, and Copy & Paste the following as the new name of the folder:

Win95.{869DADA0-42A0-1069-A2E7-08002B30309D}

-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?

Re:Protest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488954)

You can always try leadership@apple.com - I believe this is their official address for such purposes.

Cryptic Names in Japanese Video Game Credits... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488955)

If you've ever played all the way through some earlier Japanese-made video games, like Street Fighter II for example, you may have notice that the names in the credits at the end are very strange-- usually single-word names like "Zummy" and "Bok!!" I read in a video game magazine many years ago that the game companies did this on purpose to avoid giving away the names of their staff to other companies.

Consider this: You work for SNK, a video game company competing with Capcom, another video game company. You see a new game from Capcom with absolutely fabulous artwork in it! So, you look at the credits for the game, find the names of the art staff, and offer them jobs at SNK with much higher salaries!

This may be part of the reasoning behind Apple's move. They don't want to risk losing their best workers to headhunters from other companies.

Fun with Easter Eggs (1)

Enoch Root (57473) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488956)

Heh. So Microsoft doesn't list their credits? In NT, to see the NT credits, you have to put the screensaver to '3D Text' and enter 'not evil' as the text to be displayed. It then lists the developpers. I guess even M$ employees know who they're working for...

For further fun with easter eggs, I recommend The Easter Eggs Archive [eeggs.com] .

Re:And what happens to ex-employees? (3)

ewhac (5844) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488957)

So if you start putting credits in software, what happens when a new version comes out but some of the people who have worked on the software have moved on or left the company altogether?

Here at Be, we move their names to a section of the credits entitled, "Gone but Not Forgotten."

You can see the BeOS credits by bringing up the "About BeOS" box, and then clicking on the logo.

Schwab

Re:Well, that just made my mind up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488958)

that's really stupid to base your next purchase on which company allows easter eggs. It only sounds fair what Apple is doing since easter eggs for example, do not credit the sys admins that keep the programmers' machines up and running, the programmer in the next cube who helped the programmers solve a problem, even the janitor that emptys the trash and keeps the offices clean. They all deserve credit, not just egoistical programmers.

Apple IIgs ROMs had voice sample of team (2)

Ian Schmidt (6899) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488959)

I believe this only applies to the version 3 ROMs (with the updated motherboard).

Hit control-apple-option-N any time there's a "sliding apple" system error screen up and it'll print out a complete list of names on the team and a sample of the team yelling "Apple II!" will play.

Ahh, the good old days...

C'mon people think here! (2)

NITE (11858) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488960)

It seems as if the description of an article posting on /. determines the tone for the response here in the forum. The description made note of how it made him "sad" to see the credits go, but if you read the aricle, Steve chose to eliminate the credits because only a small number of people were gettting credit for work that several people did.

Rather than list thousands of people in a credits list and acknowledge everybody who helped support a product launch (which would be stupid) Steve did the wise thing and took the whole thing out. He took it out, not because he didnt want to offer credit, but instead to insinuate a notion of teamwork, rather than individuaality.

If you recall Apple's darkest years, you'll remember that everyone took the company to a downward spiral that seemed never ending. This was because nobody was working towards a common goal, and instead sought out what they felt was of the utmost importance.

Now that Apple is on track, with everybody working towards a common goal, people should realize that TEAMWORK is what matters, and not getting credit for your individual part.

Re:Well, that just made my mind up (1)

spottheastroturfer (61320) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488961)

One totally unconfirmed rumor regarding a completely irrelevant aspect of a company's operations puts you off that company forever?

Re:A different view (2)

ewhac (5844) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488962)

I mean think about it, when you go to a restaraunt it doesn't say on the menu, the food is prepared by so-and-so.

Actually, depending on the restaurant, the name of the head chef will appear on the menu (and, if they have one, on their Web site as well).

Schwab

Why he did it. (2)

Don Negro (1069) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488963)

Steve's rationale for this, according to a buddy of mine who works at Apple, is that the credit lists are never complete and are generally dictated by whoever is writing the credit code, so some deserving people get left out. Appearantly Steve sent all the employees a memo to this effect.

Course, the OS 8 credit easter egg with the names of the engineers who laid off in the massacre of '96 was pretty damn cool.

Don Negro

Interesting... (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488964)

It's interesting how the quote listed at the bottom of this page is, (or was at the time I looked at it):

The reward of a thing well done is to have done it. -- Emerson

On the other hand, as some may have noted, sometimes it just feels good (or at least, I should say better) to have your name displayed on something you have created, so you can be proud of your work if you have put substantial time and effort into it.

When you write the software yourself, in your own time, you make the rules (licensing, credit). However, all that changes when you get into the commercial world. Here it's not about pride... it's not about credit... respect... face it! wake up! it's all about the money. Companies market to end-users and other companies, and if they can do something or say something that will make them or their products look better, THEY WILL! Note that saying they will remove Easter eggs allows them to claim that their products will be smaller in size. It follows quite logically: when you remove code, program becomes smaller. The purchasers at other companies may like this, or they may not. And also, let's not forget: your average Joe could CARE LESS about all the programmers who wrote his favorite word processor. Why? He's not a programmer, he doesn't know many (if any) people who are, and generally tries to spend as little time with the computer as possible. What does it matter to him? But... if the company can say "program smaller, will run faster" Joe may be happy, because he can understand that much. He may not have the appreciation for Easter eggs or the coding that goes behind it, he just wants to type his annual reports up, print them out, and go home at the end of the day. Why bother?

So this will upset programmers. GUESS WHAT? Do you know just HOW many programmers there are? Apple surely knows that if some quit, there are quite many more others who are either seeking better-paying jobs than they have now, or just a job, period! And they will be willing to take this job, knowing they can't see their name in the credits, because, heck, everyone needs food/clothing/shelter, and some have to support FAMILIES as well!

I guess what I am trying to say is that:
a) Apple doesn't care, it's a win-win for them,
b) Programmers come and go, corporations generally stay, and finally,
c) one may conclude (from the Emerson quote) that if something isn't worth doing FOR THE HELL OF IT (ie. without getting credit/award for it), then it just may not be worth doing it. However, do not forget, there are plenty of other hungry programmers out there who won't think twice about filling your job.

The moral of the story is perhaps this:

When you are your own boss (read: your own startup!! :)), things are better because you can make your own rules, but hey - if you don't want to work on, say, a video driver because your name won't be displayed every time the driver is loaded... well... that's perhaps your loss.

When, however, someone else takes care of everything else besides the coding (contracts, equipment, management (yeah, it may actually be useful. sigh.)), then you have a price to pay for that. Your peace of mind == less control. Your own business => opposite.

Same thing as with individuals living under a common set of laws and a government (sacrifice individual freedom for the good of the society or something to that effect). Not that I'm advocating either, or neither, it's an observation.

Sorry to digress, but I just noticed the quote and the rest followed as a stream of consciousness..... :)

-- another speck of dust on the face of planet Earth

Re:Read first (1)

dmacon (30932) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488965)

A company might think they own Engineers, but most people don't like being owned. Not giving credit reduces the job to some sort of salary slavery, where there is absolutely NO reason to have any loyalty to the company at all. If Apple think that they can replace their key development personell with temps, then let them try.

You might start out giving it your best and have a lot of pride in what you do, but then in the end it just becomes harder and harder because you know that only the managers will get credit for your hard work. Working for a paycheck alone is no fun at all!

I find it pretty insulting when people think that making software is something deterministic like making coffe. Writing software takes just as much artistry as writing a book and deserve to be credited.

Most people don't read credits, but that's not important at all. It is just the fact that it is there that counts ... that you have been given credit for your effort.

Communism (1)

ChristianBaekkelund (99069) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488966)

Not that communism is necessarily theoretically bad, but this sounds like a very communistic move on Apple's part (all for the good of the people...er, company)... Personally, I think credits are one of the few things still good and decent in the software industry. What's next, no credits in movies, and you only recognize the two or three stars that "grace" the screen, and the 300+ others all on the crew just didn't do anything?...sigh.

What about support staff? (2)

afniv (10789) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488967)

I'm curious, with many people claiming credit should be due to the hard working employees, where do the support staff fit? I imagine there are PR people, human resources folks, janitors, and maybe an IT staff that all helped to make that product successful. Are their names in the products?

I know the products at my company are credited to the entire company. Of course, NASA, banning any type of advertising on the products, helps this policy.

~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"

everyone like to sign their name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488968)

I have a few surgeon friends who say they usually sign their name or some special symbol into patients when stitching up their internal organs. If doctors can do it, programmers should be allowed to do so too.

Re:Comment from Microsoft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488969)

I did this to in Windows 2000(NT 5) RC2 and it works :)

SE motherboard covers had signatures (2)

Imperator (17614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488970)

IIRC, behind the motherboard (which was vertical near the back) was a protective metal sheet of some sort. It had the signatures (reproduced, of course) of everyone who worked on the SE.

Where have you been? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488971)

What about pride in your work? Does craftsmanship mean nothing?

Which rock have you been under? No, craftsmanship doesn't mean squat anymore. Pride in your work... what an outmoded concept.

Look, this civilization no longer rewards things like pride, or craftsmanship, or doing a good job just because that's the right thing to do. It's all about the cash, now. Get in, get the money, get out -- and damn to hell anything else.

Which is very sad, and likely to topple our civilization, but that's the way it goes sometimes. Pouring your heart into your work so much that whether your name gets put on it or not matters to you, is just going to get your heart ripped out of your body and stomped into the ground when your short-term usefulness to your corporate masters is over.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

Re:This is why Atari progrmrs quit 2 form Activisi (1)

Super_Frosty (82232) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488972)

>Movies credit most all involved all the time,
>right down to the waterboys. Why shouldn't
>programmers receive similar recognition?

Duh. If you'lll notice, NO ONE watches all the
credits because NO ONE cares who the
executive assistant best grip gaffer was, except
for the executive assistant best grip gaffer. The
same with software credits. They're just a morale boost for the people who write software.

Basically, no one cares about the credits except
for the programmers themselves. Why don't they
just write their names down on a piece of paper?

As for the death of Atari, it could be because
Atari became synonomous with "crappy console gaming system." :-)

Re:A different view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488973)

I think we are all getting too worked up for nothing.

--------

Ah- you're forgetting that this is Slashdot, where it's a requirement to get worked up over trivial things!

Re:Comment from Microsoft... (1)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488974)

'not evil' works on Windows 2000 Pro (RC2 anyway)

Re:microsoft owns 10% (1)

Eccles (932) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488975)

I don't think it's so much Microsoft as Jobs himself.

I suggest that in response to this, we should no longer mention *his* name, just refer to him as "the Apple interim CEO." Sauce for the goose?

My name is on a commercial product. It seems a fitting show of respect for the several years where most of my creative energies have been spent improving it.

THEIR engineers? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488976)

If you ask me, they have every right to keep their engineers to themselves.

<sarcasm mode=heavy>
Damn straight. After all, these are their engineers, right? They should be able to do with them as they please. No more sneaking out of the 'engineers quarters' after dark. And the beating will continue until morale improves.

Seriously, though, is anyone else disturbed by this "Massa - Sla^H^H^H Engineer" attitude? Do people honestly think "The company is allways right" and the rights of the company outweigh the rights of the individual?

To quote:

Engineering teams highlighted in credits are at times believed to be the source of leaks of confidential company information

Like what sort of company information? Trade secrets? Those are covered in the swamp of intellectual property agreements all employees have to sign these days. But what about the other kind of "confidential company information"? Like maybe they're secretly selling missile guidance software to terrorist nations (not that I think Apple is capable of writing any missile guidance software that any self respecting terrorist dictator would want to use). God forbid that sort of "confidential company information" should get out where the public might see it.

and are increasingly the target of poaching by other companies and search firms in the fierce high-tech job market.

And then Apple might have to pay its developers more in order to keep them. Now this is an ugly trend is it not? God forbid we should have to pay the people who actually create the product what they're worth in a free market environment. I don't know what the world is coming to when lowly engineers and programmers start earning as much as management and marketing executives. That just goes against the natural order.
</sarcasm>

Re:Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (1)

EvilGwyn (120620) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488977)

Well you could do that but I think the cool thing about having credits and easters eggs were that they all tend to be different from each other. If you want a credits listing like you suggest then a file with the names would do the same job.

Apple *thinks* it's eliminating credits. (2)

McNally (105243) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488978)

Perhaps Apple management thinks it's eliminating credits but I somehow suspect they'll only be driven underground by this policy decision. At any rate it seems like a petty step to take at this point in time and I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all..

Regardless, let's all observe a moment of silence in honor of "Fred Burst -- the only man whose name is a complete sentence," and other classic Apple credits.

Possible Reason: Thwarting Headhunters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488979)

When I worked at Apple, my manager mentioned to me that org charts are confidential documents because there are so many headhunters out there looking for Apple employees.

So I think it only makes sense that credits are being taken out, because that's almost an org chart of sorts. Headhunters could just look at the credits and go after people.

(I'm posting as AC in case I wasn't supposed to tell anyone this, though I don't recall this as being secret.)

Re:OT: Microsoft Sows the Seeds of it Own Destruct (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1488980)

The problem is, Windows doesn't crash so much.

Except in the fantasies of those who fear it.

For some reason none of the rest of us can figure out.

Last Post! (1)

Last Post! (121290) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488981)

This is yet another plot to suppress engineers. Or, should I say, "knowledge workers." Paying them peanuts is not enough. Now, the mental-inferiority-complex-suffering managers have taken away even these benign HIDDEN credits. Engineers revolt. American society is currently structured to screw you over. __ ___ || ___ __ _/|_ |/-\ ___ __ _/|_ || __\\ (/_' || ||-/ // \\ (/_` || ||__((_||_,_/) \|_ || \\_// ,_/) \|_ HAHA! LAST POST! Following posts are redundant.

Cripes!!! Check this out!!! (2)

T.Hobbes (101603) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488982)

After reading about the control-apple-option-n thing, I tried it on OS 8.6, while going into the Apple menu, and I found "About the MacsOS 8.5 team" - in fact, you only need to press "control-apple-option". Anyway, enjoy!

Easter Eggs will endure.... (1)

Chris Brewer (66818) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488984)

Lotus still does it.. the Monty Python thing in Notes, the Possum that craps blue M&Ms in Wordpro...

They won't disappear.

"Like colors from the Logo, these are the eggs of our products."

Re: Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (2)

Terje Bless (115099) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488992)

In Apple's famous commercial, they are fighting against "Big Brother" (then IBM). It seems as though the Mac is trying to emulate that Big Brother attitude in saying that no one person deserves the credit for something, all credit goes to your glorious employer, Apple. Kinda scares ya when you think about it.

For the officially sanctioned word on this, please see MacPravda [turnleft.com] .

Re:Why else do Developers work such crazy hours? (1)

sh_mmer (63202) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488993)


actually, i think this is a good decision. i mean about easter eggs. it's one thing to, as a programmer, put your name in the credits. it's quite another to attach a doom client to excel--as if it wasn't bloated enough already!

another thought--has anyone ever exploited an easter egg to compromise a system? i'm not saying that they're inherently weak, but if the admin doesn't know what all he's potentially running, how can he know that he's protecting his system?

OT: Microsoft Sows the Seeds of it Own Destruction (1)

IHateEverybody (75727) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488994)


I was getting set to contradict you until I reread the article. What a bonehead spokesbot! Microsoft has always had credits and easter eggs and this wuss makes his own company look like a bunch of soulless commie robots for a story that has nothing to do with them! Is it any wonder that they botched their own anti-trust trial so badly with the fake videotape and Bill Gates' limp testimony?

No wonder Windows crashes so much. Like the rest of Microsoft, it's suicidal. At least now they have Apple to keep them company.

I can maybe see some possible reasons... (5)

jd (1658) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488995)

An "easter egg" is, by definition, a non-specified part of the program flow. This makes it less likely to be tested properly, and therefore more likely to contain serious bugs, or harbour potential side-effects.

It's also bloat, and can potentially be a political hot potato. (Although no company ever acted on it, any company with a no-games policy would either have to ban Excel or scrap the policy. In the end, the compromise of everyone shutting their eyes became standard practice.)

But what if a company stood firm? Can you imagine the publicity that could generate? I doubt much of it would be favourable to the company, either.

Credits, though, are another matter. There's no real risk of bugs (it's mostly text), there's no real space consumed (text compresses to around 1/10th uncompressed size, which is often small, anyway. A few 10's of K, tops.)

There is no justification for omitting credits, either in terms of stability or space. As for ex-employees, keep 'em in. If they've earned the right to be there, they've earned it. Taking it away, merely because they've moved, quit, been sacked, etc, is churlish.

Early days of Activision (1)

the red pen (3138) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488996)

Some 30%-40% of Slashdotters (according to a past poll [slashdot.org] ) may be old enough to remember when Activision started up and began producing video games for the venerable Atari 2600 console.

If you recall, Activision's television commercials mentioned the lead developer on the project. This was due to a longstanding Atari policy not to release names. The issue came to a head, after a programmer put his initials in Atari's "Haunted House" as an Easter Egg. Some kid found it and contacted Atari to see if there was a prize for finding the "secret message." When Atari investigated, they figured out what happened and fired the programmer for violating the policy.

Activision promptly began raiding Atari for talent and ended up with most of their top programmers.

I hope for their sake, Apple doesn't make the same mistake Atari did...

Re:Aww, there goes MY fun. (1)

Maledictus (52013) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488997)

From Photoshop 4: The electric pussy cat that belches!

Tell me more! Tell me more!

Quark 3.32 at least, maybe also in 4.x -- the ray-gun toting, object-deleting alien guy.

II CX? (2)

Imperator (17614) | more than 14 years ago | (#1488998)

I must be losing my memory. I remember a II ci and a II VX, but no II CX.

Pride in your work (2)

mOdQuArK! (87332) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489001)

I don't see credits indicating that a team of programmers is putting their egos "above" the rest of the company - I see it as being proud of their achievements.

To deny those people primarily responsible for a product recognition smacks of the type of reasoning where people in large organizations seek to obscure the source of information or of a decision in order to prevent responsibility from being attached to any particular individuals.

There were two issues which kind of made sense:

1. Too many people contributed to each product, making it impossible to credit everyone.

I guess this is a possibility, although I suspect that if you don't include the people outside of the main project (such as administration or the people who did tools & toolkits), then the number of people involved in generating an individual product is probably not too big. Certainly not any larger than a large Hollywood movie production - and they have people up the wazoo listed on the ending credits.

2. Competitors using the credits to target the developers for recruitment.

This is probably a valid concern - although it could probably be argued that if a competitor is able to entice a developer away from a company, then that company either didn't compensate the developer enough or the morale was too poor to instill any loyalty for company. By "hiding" the names of their developers from the public, the company is trying to keep their labor costs lower by keeping their developers from temptation.

I'm wonder if a company could use a clever marketing ploy and actually play UP the reputations of the developers involved with popular products, so that people would feel that products associated with that developer are "higher quality" than something which is generic. (I guess this kind of fits what Transmeta is doing w/Torvalds reputation.

Re:This is why Atari progrmrs quit 2 form Activisi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489002)

BTW, what programmers work at Activision either? Unless I'm mistaken, nowadays they only publish games that other companies develop.

bloat isn't what pisses me off... (3)

Croaker (10633) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489004)

When I see the Easter Eggs that those fun-loving wacky light-hearted minions of the Dark Side over in Redmond toss into their products, I immediately wonder "how many of the fscking bugs in your fscking products could you have fixed while you were programming that fscking pinball game!?"

(Funny, I tend to use the phrase 'fscking' an awful lot when it comes to our pals at Microsoft....)

I suspect that people are coming to realize that unless you have a nearly airtight application, you'd better not trumpet the fact hat you let your programmers goof off and do silly things with their time. Now, minor little quirky easter eggs, such as the little taxi that zips across your screen in some version of the Pilot OS, are less harmful along those lines. I don't believe the Apple folks were every guilty of the excesses of the Microsoft folks. But, programmers being programmers are always going to try to outdo each other, so... perhaps it's better to nip it in the bud.

This is good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489012)

Finally no more undocumented "features" that bloat up applications. Software coders are engineers, that are supposed to deliver robust code that does what it's supposed to do; not waste their time writing flight simulators in spreadsheets or whatever kind of nonsense. True engineers don't sign their products; do you see any credits on your car, stereo, or on a box of crackerjacks? Creating software is not an artform , but an engineering project. I am glad to see that Jobs realizes this. I'll certainly consider buying Apple.

Re:Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (1)

Skinka (15767) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489013)

Where do you get this stuff..? I have absolutely no idea who designed my mouse, I guess in your mind that makes Logitech "The Big Brother"? I agree with Rob that this is kinda sad, but that is all. This doesn't mean that we are slipping into an Orwellian society..

Actually, thats incredibly insightful. Moderators! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1489014)

"Today Pixar Chairman Steve Jobs announced the end of 'credits' at the end of Pixar feature movies..."

You simply cannot imagine a movie which doesnt give credit to the people who put in hours days and weeks of effort to make it. Can you? I cant. Tell me how computer programs are any different, Mr Jobs?

Bloatware? (2)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489015)

I know that this is probably not a popular move on Apple's part. However, this is how I see it: Programmers should (ideally) speak with the quality of their code. I enjoy Linux partly because of the humility of its developers. Aside from their sometimes tongue-in-cheek talk of world domination, most don't pat themselves on the back or search for approval. They speak with their code, as do many anonymous or near anonymous contributors to the Open Source library.I would much rather have Apple employees speak with tight, efficient code than with some fancy flag graphic no matter how neato.

Re:What a bother over something so small (2)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489016)

You must not have seen the hilariously funny parking memo from back when Steve first reascended to the throne at Apple. To explain, Steve had just eliminated many perks in order to bring costs back in line. But what really broke the camel's back, and triggered the memo was that he started parking his car in the closest space to his office, which happened to be a handicapped spot.

The memo was:
An Even More Entrepreneurial Apple
As you can imagine, many of you have expressed your displeasure with our decision regarding the sabbatical program. All I can say is, "You ain't seen nothin' yet." You've all become lazy, and only contribute to Apple's current situation. The only way to save this company is to drive out the loyal employees who have not yet realized their inadequacy.

We are following up with additional steps which will take Apple back to its roots as a more entrepreneurial company. They are:

1. Lay-Offs
In lieu of laying people off, we are redeploying unneeded workers as janitorial staff. Salaries will be adjusted accordingly.

2. Sick Time
It will not longer be possible to call in sick. Any employee who cannot make it into work due to illness will need take a vacation day or go without pay.

3. Weekly Hours
Pay checks will now be issued monthly for four 30-hour work weeks. However, each employee is required to work diligently on Apple business for at least 60 hours each week. Not meeting this requirement is a terminable offense.

4. Parking
A daily fee will be charged for parking your car in any Apple lot or garage. Parking garages will cost $5 per day, and parking lots will cost $3.50 per day.

Only I will be allowed to park in handicapped spaces. Any other vehicle found parked in an Apple handicapped parking space will be towed. Persons who are physically disabled will receive a $5 reimbursement for towing expenses upon convincing the Executive Team that they are actually disabled.

Thank you for your support.

Steve and the Executive Team

Steve's reply was not as funny:
While we all enjoy a good joke, the email sent to every Apple employee titled "An Even More Entrepreneurial Apple" was not sent by me. And it was not very funny.

Fraudulently using someone else's name is not a joke, and any employee found doing so will be immediately terminated.

Thanks,

Steve

However, it seems that Steve no longer parks (AFAIK) in the handicapped spot. Instead he got a helicopter which ferries him from his house to work. At least that's what I heard. So maybe Steve came up with the idea while cruising over the valley ;) Any Apple employees willing to discuss this (anonymously perhaps)?

license issues? (1)

LocalYokel (85558) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489017)

While I don't think an easter egg containing credits for the authors would violate the GPL, I wonder if it would satisfy the deprecated "advertisement" clause in the BSD license.

Is Linux "too serious" for easter eggs, or has some humor been put into the kernel and libc?

I've said it before... (3)

NII Link (45533) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489019)

[ROFLOL - trying to control myself...]

I first saw this bit several days ago in a rumor column. That's all it is, a rumor. Then, as happens quite often these days, some news agency decided it sounded like a fact and reprinted it. Then Slashdot people saw that story, and now this thread is open.

Am I the only one who is sick and tired of how the media takes rumors as fact (especially those that are Apple-related, it seems)? Now thousands of people believe it's really true because it's been in the news. Let me reiterate, it's only a rumor.

Re:Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (1)

jman303 (31873) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489021)

MacOS X has exactly this.
you put an rtf text file called "credits.rtf" containing a list of credits into the application wrapper, and with a single method call you get a reasonably nice about box that displays your text in a scroller, superimposed over a macos x logo.

of course, this takes all the fun out of writing about boxes...

Not the first time (2)

Eric Smith (4379) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489023)

This is not the first time Apple has tried to institute such a policy. It happened at least twice before that I know of, although in those cases it probably didn't come down from the CEO.

On those occasions, Apple's SCM (Software Configuration Management) organization, which was chartered with doing all offical software builds, had their engineers scouring the source code looking for easter eggs and credits. It became a game for development engineers to find creative ways to hide them such that SCM couldn't find them. In one case the credits were stored in a block of hexadecimal data. In another, thousands of characters of source code for an easter egg were present in the source code, but indented hundreds of spaces so that the MPW editor wouldn't normally show them (unless you scrolled right).

The super-secret about box in the first release of Multifinder was done despite management efforts to eradicate such things. If they couldn't do it then, I doubt that they can do it now.

Where is the "Steve Capps Memorial No-name Burrito Joint", anyhow? I don't think it is La Costena, although they make damn good burritos.

Re:Hmmm...Apple's famous commercial (1)

TheFitz (113719) | more than 14 years ago | (#1489025)

You have to understand something, I am a software developer, and I want credit for software I write. If you were to put hundreds or even thousands of hours into a program, working hard to make it a good product, wouldn't you want your name on it? If even hidden away somewhere, its a matter of feeling proud for accomplishing a huge goal.
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