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Venezula Producing Its Own Linux PCs

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the another-stick-in-the-eye dept.

Linux Business 387

christian.einfeldt writes "The Venezuelan Government announced the roll-out of four different models of Linux-powered consumer computers, three desktop models and one notebook. Branded 'Bolivarian Computers,' they will be will be produced by a joint venture of the Venezuelan Ministry of Light Industry and Commerce and a Chinese company named Lang Chao. The goal of the project is to jump-start a domestic IT industry and become an IT exporter to the rest of Latin America. At the ceremony introducing the program, Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez claimed that the Bolivarian Computers cost 40% less than other commercially available models and come with a 3-year warranty."

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Full featured linux distros (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537149)

All Bolivarian computers come fully equipped with a wide selection of inflammatory anti-Bush screensavers

Re:Full featured linux distros (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537251)

All Bolivarian computers come fully equipped with a wide selection of inflammatory anti-Bush screensavers

It's sad how Chavez will be remembered around the world for the one thing he's been consistently right about, rather than an honest critical assessment of his achievements and methods. Hell, even Saddam Hussein, who used to be reviled throughout the Arab world, managed to resuscitate his historical legacy a bit through his opposition to Bush. Apparently if you oppose the biggest threat to peace and democracy in the world loudly enough, everyone forgets you're a slightly smaller threat yourself.

Re:Full featured linux distros (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537361)

It's sad how Chavez will be remembered around the world for the one thing he's been consistently right about, rather than an honest critical assessment of his achievements and methods.

You mean like being able to legislate by decree, shutting down opposition TV stations, unchecked inflation, or doubling the murder rate? They are certainly achievements. But if I were him, I would rather be remembered as a Bush basher than the rest.

Re:Full featured linux distros (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537677)

Exactly the point of the original post. His anti-Bush rhetoric is whitewashing his other policies, making him seem like a good guy when he's not.

Although one of those TV stations provided material assistance to the anti-democracy coup, so they got off easy by losing their license to broadcast. Other countries deal with treason more harshly.

Re:Full featured linux distros (2, Insightful)

Simon80 (874052) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537741)

You reading comprehension is severely deficient - I'm pretty sure you just repeated the parent's point. That being said, he's probably not all that bad. The US government just hates him because he's acting in Venezuela's interests, at the expense of foreign (US) interests.

Re:Full featured linux distros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537467)

I am with Linus Tovalds on this one. The guy is right.

Re:Full featured linux distros (1)

Vicissidude (878310) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537579)

Right about what? Making Venezuela technologically independent by selling computers running open source software on Intel processors made in America?

Re:Full featured linux distros (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537771)

Chávez for President of Venezolan América!


My venezolan american people lives better with Linux that with Micro$oft.

The Micro$ost software is costly expensive and useless.

Imagine a cluster of venezolan american beowulf!!!

Chávez is supporting and developing his cyber warfare defense against the commerce's attacks of evil United States.

Hitler had his Volkswagon (3, Insightful)

davidwr (791652) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537589)

Politics aside, this shows great promise.

It's far too early to tell how long the Chavez regime will last, but I hope the next government keeps the program alive.

Re:Full featured linux distros (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537791)

!Anti-Bush screensavers, keyloggers for the Venezuelan Secret Police, and a nice big fat backdoor so that Chavez can launch his super 'leet bot army to DDOS the Yanquis! !Que bueno!

My First ever First Post (3, Interesting)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537155)

But seriously, sometimes govenment direction can result in good stuff. Just like Brazil and energy selfsuficiancy. They say a problem, no oil, and the govenment of the day said OK, we will go ethynol. Ans now they do not have a relience onf foriegn oil.

Re:My First ever First Post (4, Insightful)

mi (197448) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537359)

Government direction can be a good thing. Government intervention will never be.

This project is doomed from the start — take the pink glasses off for a second, and imagine the US government trying anything like it. This very forum would've been all mad about it — and justifiably so.

For example, consider the expected quality of support. We all complain about the poor Indians, who can't properly troubleshoot Dell computer problems. That's with English being the official language in India.

Now imagine the Chinese supporting these "Bolivarian computers". In Spanish...

Re:My First ever First Post (1)

fsmunoz (267297) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537521)

I understand you point but the way I read it the Chinese are in it for the technological and industrial part... the support will likely come from Venezuelans themselves, who are the other half of the "joint venture".

Although the image of a callcentre in Beijing helping users in Venezuela in spanish on how to install a TrueType font is interesting in it's own right :)

Re:My First ever First Post (1)

mshurpik (198339) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537667)

>This project is doomed from the start -- take the pink glasses off for a second

Actually, I'm surprised that you're surprised by this. Latin America is the next North America in terms of size, economy, and growth potential. It was only a matter of time before cheap, reliable PC's became part of the Latin American economy. Ever been on Battle.net (Wc3)? DOTA BRAZIL ONLY.

The only pink vision I have, is that someone like me would move down there, and do it myself. I guess I'm disappointed that Latin America still needs a dictator-esque leader to do it for them.

Re:My First ever First Post (3, Insightful)

Brotherred (1015243) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537715)

This project is doomed from the start — take the pink glasses off for a second, and imagine the US government trying anything like it. This very forum would've been all mad about it — and justifiably so.

For example, consider the expected quality of support. We all complain about the poor Indians, who can't properly troubleshoot Dell computer problems. That's with English being the official language in India.

Now imagine the Chinese supporting these "Bolivarian computers". In Spanish...

Still it is a perfect example of how GNU+Linux will survive out side the US if not in it. RMS has even suggested that they MIGHT have to move the FSF overseas. We all have heard him say that the US government is just a tool for MS and he is not that far off.

Re:My First ever First Post (1)

Keebler71 (520908) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537395)

you should have held off and tried to get user ID 1,000,000 :)

but not the first time you have lacked wisdom (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537405)

Cutting down all Brazil's rainforest to plant corn for ethanol is hardly a smart move. All in all, Brazil has shown itself to be a stupid greedy country that is selling out their future for pennies on the dollar. Often times it is wiser to use your replaceable resources to purchase energy vs. sell off what cannot be replaced at any cost.

Re:My First ever First Post (2, Insightful)

Phil-14 (1277) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537419)

Funny you should mention that, the last time I checked Brazil didn't solve its problems with ethanol alone, they also expanded onshore and offshore oil drilling a great deal. Of course, that doesn't fit the "story" everyone wants to tell.

Brazil (3, Informative)

mdsolar (1045926) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537571)

I went to a conference last month that I report on here: http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/05/juicing.html [blogspot.com] . Brazil is also going big into biodiesel using castor seed. The worry about rainforests right now seems to be palm oil while cane will likely expand into existing grazing land (possibly former forest but cut for beef if it is).
--
Solar power with no installation cost: http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/01/slashdot-users -selling-solar.html [blogspot.com]

Re:My First ever First Post (1, Insightful)

Score Whore (32328) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537541)

You're applauding a government that nationalized oil companies, food producers, media, etc? Gave dictatorial powers to a lame duck president? Well, not so lame duck anymore since he's aiming to abolish term limits. Oh and that nationalization of their industries have gone really well, unless you like to eat meat. Or have freedom to speak out against the policies of the government. Or want your quality of life to increase. Sure.

Government has no place in business, you always end up with cronyism, corruption and an entrenched pile of criminals pillaging the rest of the country.

Re:My First ever First Post (0, Troll)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537573)

Which is why the United States is pillaging other people countries.

Re:My First ever First Post (0, Troll)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537577)

Oh and that nationalization of their industries have gone really well, unless you like to eat meat.
Well, eating meat is pretty distasteful. Not to mention gross from an ethical standpoint in the case of many factory farms and modern slaughter houses. Maybe if human hunting, breeding, production, slaughter and sale was legalized I couldn't scream "hypocrites" as loudly...

Re:My First ever First Post (1)

Score Whore (32328) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537779)

Sure. OK. Save the animals, but kill the people. And the spiders and the other various living creatures that you personally kill every single day by the millions. But that's probably OK cause they're little and not cute and fuzzy.

There is no moral or ethical case for not eating meat. The food chain is the fundamental processes that make the environment work.

Many animals will kill and eat people. Plus many will kill people because they perceive a threat their way of life. Not that I'm claiming animals have such a concept, but a pride of lions will do you in if they think you are a threat. Same goes for a herd of elephants. Even ducks and geese kill do their best to kill you if they think you are invading their territory.

Re:My First ever First Post (0, Troll)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537819)

I'm not some PETA pal that subscribes to the "cute and fuzzy" ideology. Besides, I mentioned "gross from an ethical standpoint in the case of many factory farms and modern slaughter houses". Such situations are hardly natural, and certainly do not promote the food chain or the environment. Such things are torture and genocide. Humans do not promote nature at all however, from the food chain to natural selection. We've all but bred out NATURE from our species and thus are a threat to any other species' way of life. My personal distaste for most meats aside, I see little wrong with going out and humanely killing what you will use. My remark about humans was mainly sarcasm, though I don't see why we should draw a line of difference when genocide is already an acceptable value when it comes to our daily diet of store-bought steaks and foreign wars.

Re:My First ever First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537555)

Dear citizens of Venezuela - you have no feeedoms anymore, but here is a cheap computer to distract you for awhile.

Re:My First ever First Post (1)

menkhaura (103150) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537679)

Hum, lately I've seen much of that (no freedom) in the UK. The V for Vendetta movie seems creepingly more prophetic every day. US comes in a very close second place, but they don't need a cheap computer to distract the masses, just Superbowl will do for the time being, with the occasional Iraq bombings on CNN.

Bombing begins in 5 minutes. (-1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537157)

Whatever the fuck happened to Monroe Doctrine? [wikipedia.org]

How can we allow China (the country with the fastest rate of increase in oil consumption and a self-proclaimed US of A enemy) to meddle with a number two oil producer in our backyard?

Re:Bombing begins in 5 minutes. (1)

nlitement (1098451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537173)

Enemies? Let's see what happens if US or any European businesses leave China, they can kneel. They better call us friends.

Re:Bombing begins in 5 minutes. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537227)

You are delusional, I'm afraid. These "US and European businesses" you refer to do not exist -- multinational corporations have no national allegiances, they do what is best for their quarterly profit.

Besides which, how is a Chinese corporation operating in Venezuela the same as the Chinese government meddling in the oil supply? Furthermore, since when did the Monroe Doctrine apply to Asian nations? And third, where the hell do Americans get off claiming Venezuelan oil for themselves?

Re:Bombing begins in 5 minutes. (1)

bluSCALE4 (975190) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537769)

That's funny. We had to beg China to trade with us. Europe could careless about our economy. Why would they risk their bottom line for us?

Re:Bombing begins in 5 minutes. (1)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537195)

This is becaus the United States would rather deal with and give their oil dollars to middle east regimes that support terrorists than to an American socialist state. You see terrorisum is not the big evil, Socalisum is.

s/Cuba/Venezuela/g (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537219)

U.S. President John F. Kennedy at an August 29, 1962 news conference:

"The Monroe Doctrine means what it has meant since President Monroe and John Quincy Adams enunciated it, and that is that we would oppose a foreign power extending its power to the Western Hemisphere, and that is why we oppose what is happening in Cuba today. That is why we have cut off our trade. That is why we worked in the Organization of American States and in other ways to isolate the Communist menace in Cuba. That is why we will continue to give a good deal of our effort and attention to it.

Re:s/Cuba/Venezuela/g (1)

nebulus4 (799015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537557)

Kennedy was referring to Soviet, which as you know was partly in Europe. There's absolutely nothing in doctrine that mentions Asian nations. The three main ideas of the doctrine were:

  1. It conveys that European countries cannot colonize in any of the Americas: North, Central, or South as well as islands of the Caribbean which were considered to be a part of the Americas.
  2. It enforces Washington's rule of foreign policy, in which the U.S. will only be involved in European affairs if America's rights are disturbed.
  3. Third, the U.S. will consider any attempt at colonization a threat to its national security.

Re:Bombing begins in 5 minutes. (1)

noshellswill (598066) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537253)

How long? China? Enemy?? Not of Wall-Street! Otherwise, as long as it takes for American business-nazis to impoverish/dis_power the American working class, on the back of Chi-com slavish labor.

Re:Bombing begins in 5 minutes. (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537801)

"Is this mic on?"

This surely confirms ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537165)

that Linux is a tool for communists and Godless atheists! [goes hiding under a rock]

As much as I hate Chavez... (3, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537179)

we have to recognize that *THIS* particular action is good.

Too bad he's choosing Free Software to promote his government where personal freedom is gone.

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1, Interesting)

daeg (828071) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537287)

Government computers probably come with government spyware (not the annoying kind the rest of the world deals with). When someone discovers it they won't be able to say anything through the government-owned media and will be thrown out of their job and be on government blacklists and be unable to obtain government food rations...

I wonder if they will follow the GPL when they introduce nastiness into the kernel?

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (2, Interesting)

fsmunoz (267297) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537349)

Following your logic - which is indeed a possibility - isn't it OK to assume that the USA will do the same with software made by US corporations and sold to Venezuela? And in that light, and not taking into account the liking or disliking of the respective governments, isn't it a matter of national security to stop using US made software in government computers?

I'm mentioning this because I think this is the first concern they have, having their own brand of spyware can be a nice after effect. The second concern is the whole "Made in Venezuela, by contributions made from everyone!" which fits in their present ethos, a mix of nationalism and socialism (not a new mix, far from it).

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537313)

Chavez has an approval rating over 80%. George Bush has an approval rating of 30%. Americans might have more freedom of the press but they also can be jailed for years without charges or trial, something that doesn't happen in Venezuela. Guess personal freedom for Americans ends at the right to promote criminal activities, coups and the murder of democratically elected officials on TV. American assholes: go fuck yourselves.

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1, Troll)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537385)

Chavez has an approval rating over 80%.

According to polls conducted by his own ministry of propaganda. BTW, did you know that the repugnant little elvis impersonator who rules north korea is worshiped as a god by most of his subjects?

-jcr

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1)

fsmunoz (267297) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537487)

North Corea didn't have an election in 2006, with international observers.

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537629)

Corea? Where the fuck is that?

The last person to be trusted with observing elections is Jimmy Carter. The man has never met a dictator he hasn't fallen in love with. When, oh when, are we finally going to put that pathetic little man in a nursing home?

Corea? (1, Funny)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537777)

Hmmm...is North Corea somehow related to Chick Corea? And is L. Ron Hubbard worshipped as a deity there? Is their prime export clams? Wait, you meant North Korea! With that little pipsqueak with the Elvis pompadour and platform shoes! And no lights on at night! Ah, now I understand. K thx bai...

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (5, Informative)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537347)

Venezuelan here...

Another "good" thing he is doing. 53 million lightbulbs have been replaced to fluorescent versions. An agreement with Vietnam was reached to start manufacturing the philips lightbulbs here. Vehicles will be able to run on natural gas soon, and the conversion will be free to users. They are testing solar panel use.

I hate the guy, but i want those programs to succeed.

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1)

Medgur (172679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537785)

... So why do you hate him?

I know why Americans hate him (ZOMG, Socialist Dictator, Low-Class Ethnicity), why do you hate him?

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537815)

Great, now the mercury in those flourescent bulbs will poison Venezuela...

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (4, Informative)

fermion (181285) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537509)

The thing about personal freedom is life, liberty and the opportunity to peruse profit. Certainly, for what I have seen, the later is the missing part of the equation in south america, while the other two items are increasingly missing in a large part of north america. The ability to travel freely, to read what one wants to read, to engage in legal acts without being harassed are quickly falling to a populous that is more fearful of microrisk than concerned about macroliberties.

OTOH, as I have seen time and time again, acess to technology increases ones ability to persue profit, i.e. happiness. The ability to use machines, and thus improve personal productivity, is the greatest asset one can have. The problem is that in many parts of the wold capital to acquire such technolgy is limit. There are no credit cards, or banks loans, or anything. Therefore anything that can be done to reduce the costs of technology to the point that an individual can purchase said technology from existing liquid assets means that the technolgy will not be just a toy for the rich, but a mover for the masses.

And this is the reform that many in south america are trying to make. Many countries in south america are at the place where the US is moving toward. Money concentrated at the few, gated communities, aggressive police presence, inadequate medical service. It may be that 10% of the people in Venezuela controls 50% of the capital,which and 40% live in poverty. Just like in the US, if you can train a person to catch fish, and not just give him a fish, and also make the fishing pole affordable, then we can begin to help people pull themselves up by their own bootstraps without the dole. If a computer costs $200 instead of $400, then more people can save that over a year.

Of course, US officials who have been on the dole and the take for their entire lives find this very scary, as the United States interests are going to be threatened by an educated and technical savvy population. Of course, if the US were not so afraid of an educated and technical savvy population, perhaps we would not have the trade deficit from which we currently suffer.

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537695)

Why do you hate Chavez?

Is it because of American propaganda against him
or is there any other concrete reason?

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537753)

Read the post. "Venezuelan here." Most educated Venezuelans (including my wife) detest Chavez. It's only the poor that really adore him and he's such a populist politician much like Franklin D. Roosevelt (or so a passerby once described him). He gives citizenship to those who vote for him. He practically gives away / subsidizes food with a fraction of the huge oil profit the country is making (he's seized 90% of locally owned-land and nationalizing personal/international owned companies). He's also banned Venezuelan to buy the US dollar and Euro, thus driving down the worth of the Bolivar and screwing small business/export/import trade companies (which happen to be the backbone of any and including the good ol' US of A's economy). So...educating/feeding/housing the poor by...stealing from the middle class, foreign-owned companies (that help created an economy/investment in the first place) and disregarding property rights. The only two things I like about the guy (and most educated Venezuelans), is that he's at least helping the lower-class through his crazy socialist ideals (but screwing over the above mentioned) and he hates Bush with a socialist's vengeance...
I won't go too much into the general corruption of the govt., because that was there way before him.

Re:As much as I hate Chavez... (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537761)


Read the post. "Venezuelan here." Most educated Venezuelans (including my wife) detest Chavez. It's only the poor that really adore him and he's such a populist politician much like Franklin D. Roosevelt (or so a passerby once described him)


Read here [brainshrub.com] why the rich & influential in
Venezuela dislike him.

How is this news? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537181)

We all already new linux users are a bunch of commies

Re:How is this news? (1)

fsmunoz (267297) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537273)

We all already new linux users are a bunch of commies

Ahh, but not all commies are yet Linux users. There is still an untapped market of commies that use Windows (Gasp! How can anyone read the "Criticism of Gotha and Erfurt Program" and do that is beyond me!) or OSX - these more popular in the agit-prop subculture of commies, they design posters calling for general strikes in it because they want "colour calibration". Or so they say, still smells like burgeoise behaviour, bloody revisionists.

The Only Problem (1, Funny)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537201)

The only problem is, they also come with Hugo Chavez spyware preinstalled. But he tells us, that's all right.

Maybe I'll Buy one, But customer server might suck (-1, Troll)

mikejz84 (771717) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537209)

Me: I have a problem with my chavez-400 laptop, the screen went all red CSR: We'll offer to take repossession of the computer at no cost to you Me: No, I need it to go to me independent news websites CSR: Ok Me: (sounds of gunshots) *Phone hung Up*

Re:Maybe I'll Buy one, But customer server might s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537799)

Me: I have a problem with my chavez-400 laptop, the screen went all red CSR: We'll offer to take repossession of the computer at no cost to you Me: No, I need it to go to me independent news websites CSR: Ok Me: (sounds of gunshots) *Phone hung Up*



Get back to Venezuela, things are going a bit downhill in the USA.

Congratulations (4, Insightful)

Gryle (933382) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537211)

While my personal feelings regarding Mr Chavez are mixed, this is a great idea. He's attempting to grow an industry within his country and using open-source software to do it. It's always good to see Linux moving beyond the nerds into the hands of (for lack of a better term) common people.

This isn't the troll you are looking for (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537263)

I am curious, would the fanboys like you also praise satan for adopting FOSS/linux to control the fuel delivery and batch-processing of the new arrivals?

Re:This isn't the troll you are looking for (4, Funny)

pjay_dml (710053) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537439)

As if Bush would ever support software freedom.

Re:This isn't the troll you are looking for (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537601)

Cut out the middleman, vote "Satan"!

Well, yes, actually. (0, Troll)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537635)

would the fanboys like you also praise satan for adopting FOSS/linux to control the fuel delivery and batch-processing of the new arrivals?

Why not? Don't you M$ fanboys preach respect for Mr. Gate's business methods? Just think of this as "cutting off the oxygen" and admire the removal of the M$ tax from one of the richest countries in Latin America.

The rest of us will praise self help and reason where we see it. Is there any good reason people around the world should pay Dell to assemble parts made in China? Free software also has ports to more appropriate hardware, cheap and low power consumption, instead of the eight core monsters M$ is moving towards.

Re:Congratulations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537269)

Yup... grow an industry to fund his regime and make him more powerful. And OSS has given him the freedom (as in beer and speach) to do so.

idiots (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537217)

stupid venezuelan faggots, it's Mac or nothing.

Re:idiots (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537639)

ON TOPIC, you facist jews

Chavez needs to work on his math. (3, Insightful)

keyed (560115) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537237)

The price of other similar brands is US$ 930, and the price of our computer is US$ 690, almost 40% less

$690 is nowhere near 60% of $930. It's closer to 75%.
Of course, 25% wouldn't sound impressive to the masses.

Re:Chavez needs to work on his math. (1)

Kopiok (898028) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537325)

It is about 74%, actually.

Anyway, I want to see some specs on that thing. $930 seems a lot for a "consumer computer". I see that you can buy a decent Dell for US$499 that will do everything you'd need for a basic home computer, and that includes Vista.

Re:Chavez needs to work on his math. (1)

wishmechaos (841912) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537703)

FYI, computers are much cheaper in the States, mostly due to the lack of import taxes. Here in Argentina there's a 50% import tax, so that 499 dell becomes a 750, plus transport fees and the reseller's share, you're not really far away from $930.

Re:Chavez needs to work on his math. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537479)

The price of our computer is US$ 690, and the price of other similar brands is US$ 930, almost 40% more.

Now it makes sense mathematically, dosn't it?

I wonder how long... (1, Insightful)

Seakip18 (1106315) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537245)

it will be till somebody pokes around the prepackage and finds it able to only load approved state software, calls home, etc. It is good to see a government spreading technology at an affordable price and not entirely gimping them. Even better that they are encouraging a good OS. The site with TFA is also a bit too, um, "orientated" to support whatever Chavez's Gov't spits out. Take a look at the article
"Venezuela, RCTV, And Media Freedom: Just The Facts, Please".

Then they're lucky (3, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537525)

it will be till somebody pokes around the prepackage and finds it able to only load approved state software, calls home, etc.

Then they'll be lucky to be running Linux. They can download a clean install from almost anywhere, blank the state software and start over. Download free tools to monitor their network traffic and watch to see if the hardware or BIOS has been borked.

But their plan was foiled by loading OSS on that machine, otherwise they would have gotten away with it. A fortunate oversight, don't you agree?

Rebranded as... (0)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537319)

Communux

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Flamebait)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537323)

Linux runs you! Instead of being an empowering choice for advanced or cost-conscious users, it will mean lack of any non-essential applications that people wouldn't write for free. RMS should make a clear statement to disassociated FSF from this announcement and express support for all personal freedoms, not just freedom of copying.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537507)

Great idea. He could even add abortion rights, open borders, and gun control provisions to the GPL. That would secure his position as the Voice of Reason behind the FOSS movement.

Pictured equipment (0)

Mazin07 (999269) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537333)

Ah, forget about making any decent use of the pictured webcam in Linux. Drivers, video4linux, skype, nothing works. This is a good excuse to preload lots of pirated copies of Windows while not paying Microsoft for OEM Windows, though.

U.S. Exports (0, Flamebait)

narced (1078877) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537357)

As much as I hate M$... and I really hate M$ a lot... I am a U.S. Citizen and Microsoft is a North American company bringing money into the U.S. from other countries. I realize that Mexico is a small percentage of the U.S. exports, but still, when I worked at HP we courted to them because they were a good export base (about 4% of our sales were in Mexico). Lets face it, we need exports to stay competitive.

So I am torn on this topic. I love Linux and free open source software and I want M$ to die a fast death, yet I want U.S. exports to remain high. I realize that U.S. made laptops are really made in Asia (Compal, Quantus, etc.), but there is still a nice cut made for our economy (such as my salary).

I have to say that when the whole of this is considered, it is a net negative for the U.S. That is just my $0.02.

Re:U.S. Exports (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537457)

Microsoft is a North American company bringing money into the U.S. from other countries

Not being from the US, I'm not torn at all. If I have to give money to a foreign economy I would much rather the money goes to a poor but aspiring economy where the work and the economic improvement makes a very significant improvement in the quality of life for a lot of people, than further feeding an economy that is already the largest in the world.

In fact, given the choice I certainly prefer getting stuff or services originating in China, India or the other aspiring economies than buying it from the US, Europe or Japan.

I have to say that when the whole of this is considered, it is a net negative for the U.S.

But a net positive for the world.

Re:U.S. Exports (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537609)

It's been awhile since I've fed a troll so pardon me I'm a bit rusty. If I have to give money to a foreign economy I would much rather the money goes to a poor but aspiring economy where the work and the economic improvement makes a very significant improvement in the quality of life for a lot of people, than further feeding an economy that is already the largest in the world.
As an american I am torn about exporting cures and aid to fight diseases since people outside of the US hold the following belief,"I have to say that when the whole of this is considered, it is a net negative for the U.S. But a net positive for the world."
  PS. When one of your neighbors gets uppity and decides he likes your land, resources, etc., Please don't go crying to any of the 5 perm. UN Sec. Council members located in the US or Europe.

us exports 2 remain high? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537655)

you will need a time machine to go back to 1945

Fair Game. (2, Insightful)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537717)

So I am torn on this topic. I love Linux and free open source software and I want M$ to die a fast death, yet I want U.S. exports to remain high.

Eventually, you can only make money by providing a real service. The chips are still Intel, so where there is US excellence, there is US income. There might be more if it were not for M$ proping up Intel at the expense of other US companies like AMD and IBM. Remember DEC and DR? They had some nice export income too. The US might be more competitive at electronics assembly if we could convince the world not to use Chinese slave labor, but we can't so that market has gone.

Money made based on the Windoze monopolies is a pipe dream. M$ really thought they could corner the word's market for something as ethereal as software? Give me a break. The only thing that's interesting about the M$ story is that they pulled off their little scam for so long. It's over because others can and will do better.

In Soviet Russia...... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537371)

Venezuela is spelled Venezula!

Re:In Soviet Russia...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537527)

I am with Linus Tovalds on this debate. I couldn't agree more with his position on this one.

Volkswagen (0, Flamebait)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537373)

Somehow, I don't think these computers will go on to become a commercial success after the dictator dies.

-jcr

Re:Volkswagen (1)

fsmunoz (267297) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537461)

You can dislike the man, but he isn't a dictator. He could eventually become one, he wouldn't be the first, but to call him that at this point is banalizing the word. Sort of like terrorist.

Re:Volkswagen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537643)

You can dislike the man, but he isn't a dictator. He could eventually become one, he wouldn't be the first, but to call him that at this point is banalizing the word. Sort of like terrorist.

Really? He has complete power to do what he wants, rules by fiat, throws his opponents in jail, denies freedom of speech, seizes private property, and is on the verge of being declared el presidente for life.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's likely to be a duck.

Re:Volkswagen (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537757)

he isn't a dictator.

tell it to the people who used to watch the TV station he shut down.

-jcr

Inside the Coup (2, Interesting)

essence (812715) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537429)

For more information on the context of whats going on in Venezula, check out the docco Chavez - Inside the Coup [imdb.com] . It shows how the oil corporates attempting a coup manipulated the public. This is the people that lost their broadcast license not long ago.

Chavez may seem like a bad man to some, but really is a result of the grass roots organising - aka The Bolivarian Circles [wikipedia.org] .

They claim USD$930 comparable? That's high. (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537431)

That seems high. I could probably get a machine from Tiger Direct for what Dictator for Life Hugo Chavez claims his Bolivarian machines cost. You could check the prices from Tiger or CDW or Dell or HP as do as well.

Re:They claim USD$930 comparable? That's high. (1)

Simon80 (874052) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537861)

Why don't you stop and think for a second about how you're going to get a machine from Tiger Direct into Venezuela? All of a sudden, it's not so cheap anymore.

Manufacturing computers isn't an IT activity (2, Insightful)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537445)

"The goal of the project is to jump-start a domestic IT industry and become an IT exporter to the rest of Latin America."

So they're going to put free (as in beer as well as in "RMS-speak") on commodity hardware that they won't be able to manufacture any cheaper than US companies do. It doesn't sound like a big winner to me.
 

oops (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537481)

Left off the word "software".

Re:Manufacturing computers isn't an IT activity (3, Insightful)

ja (14684) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537663)

hardware that they won't be able to manufacture any cheaper than US companies do.
Please ... Companies in the USA do not produce any cheap computers, Chinese companies do!

An unbeatable combination for industry... (1)

knorthern knight (513660) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537465)

...Oriental knowhow and cheap (South) American labour.

Oh no (3, Insightful)

JoshJ (1009085) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537499)

Cue the FUD comments about Linux and Communism now. :(

Venezula? (5, Funny)

bestiarosa (938309) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537517)

Venezuela [wikipedia.org] is in South America but where is Venezula?

Volksempfänger (3, Interesting)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537535)

I love the Chavez apologists. At the risk of invoking a law that no doubt everyone on Slashdot is familiar with, I wonder if this will end up being the TCP/IP equivalent of Volksempfänger complete with filters to keep comments from more then 100-150 miles away.

It's amazing what people are willing to forget because someone is a enemy of their enemy. Chavez is rapidly militarizing, is the only leader in the entire world who seems not to have gotten the Communism is dead memo, and is now ruling by fiat.

Not good things.

Hmmm...this partnership has happened before (1, Interesting)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537591)

And it lead to thousands of sick and dying people, when they tried to team up to make medicine. Let's hope they actually attempt "quality control" this time, something communism has always been awful at.

I have to giggle (0, Troll)

fat_mike (71855) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537605)

That's great! Now he can keep an eye on everybody. I see him as the boss in V for Vendetta, telling his computer how much he loves her.

20 years from now people will be going "Chavez who?" Is that the guy that thought he could be Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Good thing the people of Venezuela smacked him down.

They didn't even register the domain name? (1)

d9000 (882617) | more than 7 years ago | (#19537749)

It may change quickly, but so far http://www.bolivariancomputers.com/ [bolivariancomputers.com] is not even registered.

OT: current Slashdot fortune "Honi soit..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19537805)

Right now the Slashdot "fortune" message at the bottom of the page is "Honi soit la vache qui rit."

This is a mashup of two things:

The famous slogan of the "Order of the Garter" is "Honi soit qui mal y pense", which is French for "shame on he who thinks bad of it."

The label of Laughing Cow brand cheese has a picture of a laughing cow, and the phrase "La vache qui rit", French for "the cow who laughs".

So the mashup more or less means "Shame on the laughing cow" but it's really funny just as a strange juxtaposition of two things that are only related by being in French. This probably isn't very funny to French speakers, more like WTF.

So now you know. And knowing is half the battle. (The other half is bloody violence.)
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