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The Psychology of Fanboys

CmdrTaco posted about 7 years ago | from the welcome-to-the-summerdome dept.

The Media 289

Testiiiiing writes "'s Gundeep Hora publishes his thoughts on why fanboys act the way they do. 'For fanboys (and I use the term with utmost respect, at least for this article), their appetite to support their favorite company to beat the big, bad corporate heavyweights gets delusional at times. And why not? After all, we all like to cheer the underdog... reasonably. In addition to cheering for the little guy, fanboys also think it's their responsibility to spread the word about their favorite company. Combine their need to do marketing on behalf of their adopted companies and their products with the passion to make others see things their way, and you have a powerful group of people.'"

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But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550111)

M$ is clearly not an underdog, and I work with a guy who is quite a fanboy....

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (5, Funny)

PinkyDead (862370) | about 7 years ago | (#19550145)

They're not fanboys. They're minions.

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550245)

dont you mean sheep?

What kind of parent calls her child Gundeep Hora ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550381)

What kind of parent calls her child Gundeep Hora ? Is Zappa still alive ?

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (1)

phoenixwade (997892) | about 7 years ago | (#19550727)

dont you mean sheep?
I like a term I heard reciently in a different context "Sheeple" works for me, and accurate too.

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (2, Interesting)

Carewolf (581105) | about 7 years ago | (#19550439)

They're not fanboys. They're minions.

You say it as a joke, but it might be partially true.

Through history there have been many people who where more than willing to adopt heavily critized, but very success political standpoints. Just see this rise for fascism in Italy or Germany, or the presence of creationists on slashdot.

*Okay, so Godwin me.

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (4, Funny)

Elemenope (905108) | about 7 years ago | (#19550497)

Oh come on, that was barely a Godwin honorable mention at best. It was a highly oblique comparison that didn't even invoke the "N" word or the "H" word.

But you're still guilty. Were you following orders, minion?

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (2, Informative)

Elemenope (905108) | about 7 years ago | (#19550783)

Already marked flamebait? Wow, some mods can't take a joke. Just to be clear for the less abstractly minded, the "n" word was "Nazi" and the "h" word was "Hitler". Jeez.

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (-1, Offtopic)

dedazo (737510) | about 7 years ago | (#19550293)

There is of course the difference between being pro-Microsoft and anti-bullshit, especially around here. What should we call you, given your hilarious use of the dollar sign to spell "MS"? Sageful constructive critic?

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550587)

"Too tired of corporate nonsense and profiteering to be bothered to think of a new joke"

Seriously, MS are not worth the effort of thinking up anything new to call them. "M$" pretty much sums it all up.


mumblestheclown (569987) | about 7 years ago | (#19550917)


The thing is, it's not like slashdot has gotten worse about this. it's been the same bullshit ever since I started reading slashdot. the only thing that you no longer see as the "Linux will take over the desktop by Xmas!!!" posts any more. At best, you get the occasional glee of "Today the Friedrichshafen municicipal water department has switched to Linux, tomorrow the world!!!!"

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (5, Insightful)

mrbluze (1034940) | about 7 years ago | (#19550363)

$ is clearly not an underdog, and I work with a guy who is quite a fanboy....

Fanboy, zealot, fanatic, fundamentalist, bigot.. other stuff. All the same in essence.

It's all just people who believe beyond reason in something. I know.. boring but true. When people know only a bit of what there is to know about something, or therabouts, they get really idealistic and passionate about it. It's human nature. Then, after time, if they get to know enough, they become cynical, or at best, just plain realistic.

Fanboys are the result of feelings of ignorance and insecurity. The more a person feels the pressures of both, the more he tries to convince others of what he thinks.

Dudes! (0, Flamebait)

monk.e.boy (1077985) | about 7 years ago | (#19550517)

Dudes! is the absolute bizz. You should stop reading all other 'tech news sites'.

Honestly, it is way better, totally the underdog. How can you believe anything these big corporate sites feed you?

shills, blatant adverts, misinformation?



Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (2, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | about 7 years ago | (#19550645)

Yes I thought that I was strange the article mentions both Mac and Linux but leaves out Microsoft. Presumably Mac and Linux users would have both used Microsoft products at some point and have a broader view of experience on the topic.

I can not say the same for Microsoft users. In their eyes just using a different operating system makes you a heretic that hates Microsoft and wants to see it burn.

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (4, Insightful)

Hijacked Public (999535) | about 7 years ago | (#19550673)

I think that is some kind of perversion of brand loyalty.

Many people derive a large part of their identity from the brands of product they buy and view any negative commentary on those brands and directed at them personally. If a guy has Windows computers, a Windows handheld, a Windows DVR, and knows a hell of a lot about Windows, and you tell him that Windows sucks he may, at the very least, see that as an attack on his consumer acumen and lash out at you.

Then you have the people driving Dodge vehicles with graphics of Calvin pissing on a Ford logo. Or vice versa. And Nascar fans. Or sports fans in general. I enjoy handmade cutlery and every so often visit web forums dedicated to just that. The brand loyalty people are there even, as this thread [] will clearly show.

In a psychological sense Fanboyism is a lot deeper than the article suggests, and it is a consequence of a culture as materialistic as Western culture tends to be.

Re:But how do you explain the M$ fanboys? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550715)

Well that's sort of the crux of the issue. They are insecure, exactly like this guy claims that they are not. I mean, if for whatever reason, you're not on a company's payroll and you take it upon yourself to proclaim their greatness to the world, bash their competition, defend them against "attackers" what have you, etc... you're not a terribly secure person. Some of that energy might be better spent on self-reflection and trying to improve your self. At least, if you're going to be proud of something, be proud of what you've done, not what someone else has done (unless it's your kids, obviously)

I like how anyone that says anything positive about Apple or Mac or OSX is a zealot or a fanboy now also. It seems to be that way about like PS3 right now too. All sorts of things. Programming languages. Phone service. HD Disc technology.

Really what this is is wide spread displaying of ones insecurity. There are folks that stopped using Linux as soon as wall street took interest, they went to more exotic locales (BSDs, BeOS, etc..) why? Because they needed to be different. Possibly because they think that if a lot of people do something or use something it can't be all that good after all and it's hard to call people fools for not using it if they actually do. This is the superiority insecurity, if you're really smarter than everyone else, you know it, you don't have to try and prove it to the world and you certainly don't prove it to the world be just being different and suggesting that they are fools for not being more like you. Likewise, there are people that call you foolish for not using windows, how can you possibly get work done without windows? Their insecurity is different, they usually aren't very good at learning and they are scared something will come along and they'll have to learn something new if their safe little kingdom erodes. They are the lazy insecure, these are the people that are scared of going left when the rest of the crowd goes right, they can't make up their own minds so the world has to make it up for them..

If you're really secure with yourself and things, why would you ever think anyone would give a shit about what technologies you use or like to use and why would you ever care? The world isn't highschool, we simply don't care what music you like, even if you do wear concert t-shirts and dress up like your favorite bands... Nobody gives a shit.

Lastly, if you can't just "tune them out" and know them for what they are, then I'd have to go ahead and say that that's on you. I'd just ignore them, let them live in their little world and get back to your own work.

I usually get called... (5, Interesting)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 7 years ago | (#19550117)

...a "fanboy" (or, more often, "fanboi", and sometimes even "fangirl") when I disseminate correct information about Apple on slashdot, clarify a misleading story, or correct completely and utterly factually and provably incorrect claims. It's not even about trying to "convert" anyone to anything. I usually respond by asking if the person calling me a "fanboi" could point out anything incorrect that I said in my post. That is usually followed up with brilliant posts about sex acts.

So, here's another question: this article is called "The Psychology of Mac Zealots"; what's the "psychology" of people who instantly call anyone who posts anything about Apple a "fanboy"? The article talks about how "fanboys" might be right, but also says that being anonymous and abusive (and therefore annoying) when making their point is a hallmark of a "fanboy". So how can a person who is neither (and also is correct about a factual point) a "fanboy"?

It isn't about "rooting for the underdog" or trying to create "converts" (directly, anyway). It's about wanting correct information disseminated about something you're interested in. And if it adds factual information to the discussion, what's wrong with that? To me, saying that something is obviously better or "rocks" or that something else "sucks" with no logical reasoning to back it up is what makes someone a "fanboy".

Cue the posts calling me a "fanboy fanboi"!

Re:I usually get called... (4, Funny)

garcia (6573) | about 7 years ago | (#19550157)

Cue the posts calling me a "fanboy fanboi"!

I'd like to follow that up with a dissemination of correct information. You are a "fanboi fanboy". Thanks, just wanted to clear that up before this thread got out of hand.

Typical Fanboy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550187)

And note how fast his fanboy buddies modded him up.

Re:I usually get called... (2, Interesting)

Sciros (986030) | about 7 years ago | (#19550269)

I don't agree fully, although your POV is logical :-) I've always thought of "fanboys" as simply HARDCORE UBER-FANS regardless of whether they're right, wrong, trolls, etc. Sometimes being a fanboy has nothing to do with liking the "underdog," or the dominant player for that matter. G.I.Joe fanboys collected all the action figures, read the comics, watched the cartoon, drew their favorite GI Joes, argued for Snake Eyes's total domination in every Pirates vs Ninjas debate, etc. Total fanboys. But, nothing "factual" to disseminate, no "underdog" to root for, no saying something "rocks" or something "sucks," no logical reasoning necessary :-)

Re:I usually get called... (2, Interesting)

abaddononion (1004472) | about 7 years ago | (#19550277)

So, here's another question: this article is called "The Psychology of Mac Zealots"; what's the "psychology" of people who instantly call anyone who posts anything about Apple a "fanboy"?

I agree with you. I thought the notion that fanboys root for the underdog is ludicrous. I mean... how long have Playstation supporters been being called Sony fanboys? And the PS2 was SO not an underdog last gen. According to this mentality, there is no such thing as a Microsoft fanboy, or a Square-game (i.e. Final Fantasy) fanboy. That's just pure nonsense.

This is a very poor way to attempt to classify fanboys. I doubt this guy even uses teh intranets. (itsajoke. If someone's a fanboy of his, I dont need to be lectured on how he's a long-time internet journalist, or whatever, if that's indeed the case.)

Re:I usually get called... (2, Interesting)

cowscows (103644) | about 7 years ago | (#19550321)

It's a silly situation, because for every five level headed Apple supporters like you, there's one rabid Apple fanboy who posts 10 people's worth of comments where he/she actually does stretch the truth, and basically acts ignorant towards reality and such. This in turn brings out not only the anti-apple zealots, but also plenty of people who just decide to troll the fanboy for fun. As is usual in most debates involving more than two people, the noise of the extremes drowns out the real discussions that should be occurring, and everyone ends up frustrated and pissed off.

The only real solution is to ignore the noise as best you can and hope that others try to do the same. It's not a great solution, but the alternative would be a highly restricted, highly moderated forum, which has its whole own set of problems, and isn't what /. wants to be anyways.

All that being said, I think even the most rabid of fanboy-ism has a number of causes, some born out of a real and well earned affection that's sort of run wild, others caused just by boredom or a desire to argue with people. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Large companies like Apple or Sony operate at a level of sales well beyond a point where the words/actions of their fanboys can make or break the company.

Re:I usually get called... (1)

ak3ldama (554026) | about 7 years ago | (#19551037)

I've noticed what I think is something of the prodding anti-fanboy. They just say extreme lame statements that piss off others, while discrediting the organization they supposedly love. Consider: A GM fan, posting unrealistic comments in support of Ford, in order to stir up hatred toward Ford. Usually they go unnoticed, but sometimes they go too far, or sound too cynical, and their malicious intent comes through. I think these are the real posts to fight back against, and usually the Slashdot moderators do well, but on the posts where their true intent doesn't get recognized they can slip through the system and cause a raucous.

Re:I usually get called... (3, Interesting)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | about 7 years ago | (#19550335)

Yes but do you "correct information" when it would put Apple in a bad light*? Being objective is a two way street. If you only provide information in Apple's favour then yes, you are in fact a fanboy/girl/person. Just because what you say is correct doesn't mean you're not one. I'm not saying you are, and I'm sure as hell not about to check your posts to find out. It's just something to consider.

*: Any response to the effect of "Apple never does anything that puts itself in a bad light" would be an instant confirmation of fanism. Every company, person, organisation, and thing has negatives.

Re:I usually get called... (5, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 7 years ago | (#19550455)

That's an interesting point. I'd just respond by saying two things:

- If you're a user of a product by choice, you probably believe the positives outweigh the negatives, one would hope, so naturally you're going to have less negative things to say about it in general.

- Personally, my main concern is submissions and highly moderated comments with incorrect information; nearly always it's negative information, so the items being corrected are already skewed to the negative side, meaning that the corrections will nearly always be "positive".

If some moron is going nuts about "ZOMG iPhone r0xxxx and it's better than every smartphone EVAR" (or the reverse), I don't see any need to respond to that at all. But if someone says "We don't know if iPhone has a removeable SIM, so Apple is really screwed in Europe", and then I say, "Uh, yes, it's already been proven that it does have a removable SIM and there is no technical reason it couldn't be used on any carrier in Europe if Apple chose to sell it unlocked," that, in my view, doesn't make me a "fanboy", even though it casts Apple's situation in a positive light. In fact, incorrect information nearly always casts the subject in a negative light. Someone saying "the MacBook Pro is the greatest laptop ever" doesn't need to be "corrected" because that's a subjective opinion.

Re:I usually get called... (1)

dylan_- (1661) | about 7 years ago | (#19550745)

couldn't be used on any carrier in Europe if Apple chose to sell it unlocked
Wandering a bit offtopic here, but I was under the impression that in the UK at least, and probably other EU countries, you can't tie a phone to a network and must allow the customer to unlock after a "reasonable period" (for contract subsidised phones). Of course, now I can't actually find a link that states that so I could be wrong...

Re:I usually get called... (1)

GreggBz (777373) | about 7 years ago | (#19550369)

Oh please you are whineing about what???
Usually, if you point out an error about Macs or Linux, or even Microsoft on slashdot and site a link you get modded informative.

I really don't believe you. So site some example posts, where you get more then 1 or 2 rude responses, when you point out something error or inaccuracy like you say.

There are a few idiots in the real world. And as you say they might post things about sex acts, but they get the flamebait treatment here. You can't honestly think that anyone but the other idiots in the minority take them seriously?

One thing I do notice about "fanbois", actually, is that they get unreasonably defensive.

Re:I usually get called... (1, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 7 years ago | (#19550845)

Here are a smattering of various examples, just in 2007:

Taking issue with the fact that I say iPhone "like Jobs does": 37721 []

"I see you take Jobs' use of referring to an iPhone be simply saying "people will buy iPhone". Why do you keep on missing out an before the word of this product?"

Taking issue with me using the word "impacted" and calling me a "marketroid": 36911 []

"Please don't speak like a marketroid."

Someone accusing me of being a marketer for posting an informative and comprehensive summary of the WWDC announcements in the WWDC article: 72443 []

"Woah, you again! [...] The real question is not whether we can get a share of the advertising money, but how much one can make."

In response to a completely and utterly wrong article on iTunes: 58579 []

"Oh noes. Apple's name is being tarnished. Dave Schroeder to the rescue!"

And again: 58951 []

"You just keep on lickin' Steve's ass no matter what apple does, right?"

In response to saying Apple didn't "surrender" to Greenpeace: 10361 []

"Do you Apple fangirls know how pathetic you sound? Other groups have their vocal populations, but Apple fangirls are by far the most in need of validation for their moronic decision to overspend on an inferior product."

In response to reasoning behind the iPod and iPhone battery not being "user accessible": 68518 []

"You skipped the part about being a Fucking Apple Whore. Whore. No go away. You're not wanted here."

In response to an article on EU online music store returns being made to appear only about "iTunes": 68518 []

"Dave, seriously, STFU already you Apple loving Macbot. You wouldn't have even commented on this story if it wasn't about Apple. Now go the fuck away."

And: 89934 []

"To annoy all you mac fans who take these things personally."

In response to incorrect article about iTunes Vista compatibility: 39184 []

"Are you the GLORY HOLE operator at Apple Inc?? Apple software is designed to limit the freedom of users. Probably, that's why it's not compatible with Vista. You see, there are three types of freedom relating to computers:

1- Windows: free to run programs and do just about anything with the computer
2- Linux: free to view the source
3- Apple: free to toe the line"

Re:I usually get called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550951)

Try defending Islam or Mexicans in an American forum and watch the hate responses by some.

Re:I usually get called... (5, Funny)

joss (1346) | about 7 years ago | (#19550377)

> I usually get called a "fanboy" (or, more often, "fanboi", and sometimes even "fangirl") when I disseminate correct information about Apple on slashdot

That's because you're posting on a Linux fanboy site.

Re:I usually get called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550707)

Funny? Should be 100% Informative....

Re:I usually get called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550397)

The whole thing is utterly idiotic. Either you're correct on a point, or you're wrong on the point. A person who is repeatedly wrong is either delusional or deliberately mistruthful. A person who is repeatedly correct is... repeatedly correct.

So where does "fanboyism" come into all this? Drum roll please.. it doesn't! Wherever that term is dropped, you'll find someone who can't argue on logical terms and has resorted to name-calling. What else could it possibly be about? After all, either you're right or you're wrong!

If you are convinced that somebody's logic is wrong but you can't prove why that logic is wrong, then your problem isn't "fanboyism" (again, what a *stupid* concept) -- your problem is you.

Fanboy trait #1: refusal of logical argument (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550601)

>> Wherever that term is dropped, you'll find someone who can't argue on logical terms and has resorted to name-calling.

That observation is correct, but you may be missing a key point that is necessary for context.

The reason why an otherwise-rational person can't argue on logical terms and ends up calling his opponents "fanboys" is often because those opponents refuse utterly to hold a discussion based on logic in the first place. And it's *that* trait that makes them fanboys, so the labelling is frequently entirely accurate.

A person who defends a favourite company or product through rational argument, and yet accepts negative criticism of it when logically presented, can never be a fanboy.

So yes, calling out fanboys for what they are does indeed indicate the abandonment of logical discussion by the name caller. However, logical discussion had usually been terminated previously by the other party anyway, and the name-calling just points out that fact.

Re:I usually get called... (5, Insightful)

MontyApollo (849862) | about 7 years ago | (#19550451)

I don't know about your case in particular, but people that seem to defend Apple and "clarify a misleading story" on Slashdot do seem to be overly sensitive to these issues. A lot of commentary about MS or Vista is misleading or wrong, but nobody gets overly indignant about it. Whenever there is a story about Apple that is remotely critical, there is usually a storm of protest to "clarify" the story or to often call it flamebait.

I think the group effect is fanboism even though the individuals may not be guilty.

It is pretty annoying though the way the Apple fanboys mod down any comment remotely critical. Rightly or wrongly, you might be associated with these people. People flame MS all the time and get modded "funny", but the exact same comments directed toward Apple make certain people genuinely upset.

Grammer Fan Boyz (2, Funny)

jimbolauski (882977) | about 7 years ago | (#19550527)

The most biggest group of Fan Boys are the Grammer Fan Boyz. I Can't remember the last time the wasn't corectid for my grammer. They are clearly the mostest annoing, I can deal with the lennox, MS, Mac, OS/2 zellots but them grammor Folks are awful.

Re:I usually get called... (1)

andr0meda (167375) | about 7 years ago | (#19550631)

Actually, I was going to say..

fangirl fanboi!

Re:I usually get called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550777)

The author of that article is a psychologist and a PC 'fanboy'.

Re:I usually get called... (0, Offtopic)

Wovel (964431) | about 7 years ago | (#19550881)

You are correct though.. A significant portion (likely somewhere between most and almost all) of the people on the Internet where someone is labeled as a fan boy are simply people trying to correct information that is factually incorrect. It does not mean the poster is mentally ill, a zealot, insecure or anything else. It simply means they were interested in injecting facts in a discussion on the Internet. Unfortunately for them, most people on the Internet are not interested in facts...

LOLZ (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550121)

OMG no one reads CoolTechZone lol! ARS for lifez yo~

Sorry, dude (1)

Tony (765) | about 7 years ago | (#19550999)

You got modded "troll." <snicker>

Sorry, man. Slashdot had its sense of humor surgically removed a couple of years ago.

Artical /.ed (2, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | about 7 years ago | (#19550127)

But I'll have a guess that it's a little like being religious, other people can tell you all sorts of bad truths about your beliefs but that still doesn't stop you believing.

Re:Artical /.ed (1)

goombah99 (560566) | about 7 years ago | (#19550435)

But I'll have a guess that it's a little like being religious, other people can tell you all sorts of bad truths about your beliefs but that still doesn't stop you believing.
For example, the article is cleverly disguised to make people think it refers to apple, but it really refers to the Linux proselytizers with a persecution complex that go around saying debian is better than redhat or vica versa while all the while feeling like chistians to the lion of redmond.

amen brother (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550711)

Amen. It's amazing how few people figured this out.

Re:Artical /.ed (1)

bmac83 (869058) | about 7 years ago | (#19550661)

Holding nearly any "belief" of consequence requires coping with and resolving the tension created by the criticism of those who do not hold that belief. If there isn't a good way to criticize something, I don't really think it's much of a belief... just a fact.

Sure, there is such a thing as "blind faith," and it is not particularly endorsed by many religious people with a strong history of study in their faith. For example, Jesus promoted a rigor of discovery modeled after "ask, seek, knock," indicating active participation and questioning by the believer. Of course, many other religions such as Buddhism have similar tenets of discovery and journey.

Your point is valid within a limited scope, but I think it is worth recognizing that we all make some kind of intellectual leap (of "faith") to get to certain beliefs we hold, be they ideas about parenting, religion, or the kind of car we like to drive. But, it's always our choice to ignore criticism blindly, blow back in forth in the wind whenever a countering viewpoint is presented, or continually question but hold the belief firmly and consistently.

Hardly. (4, Interesting)

bynary (827120) | about 7 years ago | (#19550133)

In addition to cheering for the little guy

Sony is hardly "the little guy". In other words, fanboyism exists at all levels of the market.

Re:Hardly. (1)

Boreras (1000123) | about 7 years ago | (#19550191)

Microsoft is not an underdog, and neither is the Wii. Yet it's swarming all over the internet with fanboys for all three, albeit that some companies tend to get a lot of love (or hate, as your signature proves).

Re:Hardly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550535)


Why is this article talking only of the underdog fanboys? There are Intel fanboys, M$, and Sony fanboys. I actually find them to be more obnoxious, too.

Reason? Well they are fanboys of larger, and arguably more successful companies. Being such, they don't need as much REAL EVIDENCE to backup claims of their company of choice being "better" or of producing "higher quality" products. They just need to point at the size of said company and scream "SEE SEE OMG SO MUCH MORE MONIEZ LOL U SUCK".

I've noticed that the fanboys of larger companies have a more macho, testosterone fueled approach. Case in point being with Intel. They tend to have higher clock speeds, and more raw horsepower. This does not mean that it's actually better performance-wise, but the GHz number speaks for itself, in their eyes. Another good example is the PS3. RAW HORSEPOWER IN A BOX. Don't think I have any denial about how powerful the PS3 is, I understand that much. But it's still a P.O.S. in my opinion. Why? The company doesn't do very moral practices as far as I'm concerned, and the game selection is pathetic. Also, 600USD LOL.

I'll leave the underdog fanboyism bashing to the other guys, they've already touched on all the main topics in that regard.

I don't enjoy fanboys of either side, but I also don't fall for the whole "BIGGER NUMBERS = BETTER" mentality, and that pisses macho-men off. As macho as nerds can be, anyway... :P

Fanboys? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550135)

Fanboys like Zonk?

Gundeep Hora (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550175)

Now THAT'S a name. Bold parents.

Let's talk psychology (5, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | about 7 years ago | (#19550195)

The fanboy is fixated, a product of the Skinner box of technology. They find a particular product/service to be so useful, so much like what they have always wanted (read: reinforcing), that the idea that there is anything different/better out there is inconceivable. Also, deprive them of their fixation, and they go into withdrawals.

The fixation is unhealthy and limiting. People with fixations are frequently unable to adapt to changes in their environment. They cling to a thing even after that thing ceases to bring them the comfort/serenity that it first did. They will viciously attack anyone who disparages they chosen tool, unable to see the light of even the most cogent argument.

I've personally never let an individual piece of technology/software or service consume me. Some are nice, some are useful, some are downright cool. But this is the Internet Age -- if you wait five minutes, something new and better will invariably come along. If you don't allow yourself to be open to new ideas and ways of thinking, you're bound to be left behind.

Re:Let's talk psychology (1)

Sunburnt (890890) | about 7 years ago | (#19550305)

I've personally never let an individual[...]service consume me. Some are nice, some are useful, some are downright cool. But this is the Internet Age -- if you wait five minutes, something new and better will invariably come along.

That's the exact reason I hit F5 every five minutes.

And I mean every five minutes.

Re:Let's talk psychology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550359)

Fanboy (FB): MS/Apple/Linux is so much better, you can do this, that, etc...
Me: Are you getting paid for all this advertising?
FB: No...
Me: Then would you like to reconsider something you have said?
FB goes away.

Validation (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 7 years ago | (#19550495)

Yeah, but in addition the fanboy's choice of product is validated by persuading others to use the same product. Hence the proselytization. If someone else chooses the same product they must have made the correct choice themselves.

Oh Yeah... Linux rocks.


Re:Validation (1)

Billosaur (927319) | about 7 years ago | (#19550987)

Yeah, but I'm not about to pick a product/service based on the zealotry of some users; what I need is quality information, a breakdown of the good and bad points, which everything has. Screaming from the top of your lungs how great something is doesn't inspire confidence in me, especially when you ask about limitations/problems and are shouted down for even suggesting there might be any. The fact that the "fanboy" is going to claim victory just because I did my own cost-benefit analysis and decided to use the same thing is just another sign of how pathetic they really are. A product/service must rise or fall on its own merits; I am suspicious of any product that engenders rabid sentimentalism and proselytization.

Re:Let's talk psychology (2, Funny)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 7 years ago | (#19550591)

Yes, fanboys remind me of the streotypical expert who is said to "know more and more about less and less until eventually they know everything about nothing".

Re:Let's talk psychology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550819)

I guess that makes Apple the cocaine of technology.

Fanboy: Possibly the most abused term ever (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 7 years ago | (#19550211)

When someone uses the term "fanboy", it tends to conjure up an image of someone who is so fanatical in their support that they ignore all logic and reality in pursuit of ensuring that their company is the one that wins "the war". (Whatever that may be.) As such, it tends to be a rather derogatory term used to discount someone from a discussion because their fanaticism makes their opinion useless.

Unfortunately, there's a growing trend of abuse in relation to the term. More and more I'm hearing *real* fanboys preemptively use the term to discount others. For example, any true fan of a game system should be willing to acknowledge its faults as well as its strengths. I very much enjoy my Nintendo Wii, but I know that its low cost came at the expense of raw horsepower. That doesn't bother me. Similarly, PS3 fans should be willing to acknowledge that their system is incredibly expensive (in comparison to the rest of the market) and that there is a fairly small game library at the moment.

Yet what I regularly hear is the PS3 fanboys jump in and yell, "Anyone who likes the Wii is a Nintendo fanboy! After all, how could you not like a $600 Bluray player! The game system is FREE!" Or something to that effect, anyway. ;)

This constitutes an outright abuse of the term. Now I'll admit that it doesn't help the situation that many Wii fans (and even worse: fanboys) don't like Sony or their business practices. So they tend to cheer on any difficulties that the company may be having. (I'll even admit to this myself. I don't want Sony around if they're going to install rootkits, shut down distributors, sell exploding parts, ignore customer service, or the billion other anti-consumer things they've done of late.) That still doesn't justify the abuse.

Similarly, a lot of Windows users are simply familiar with what they are used to. So they're not so much as fanatical themselves, they're just highly resistant to solid logic that's often used by the Mac community. They're also quite used to the Mac users of yore, who were very much fanboys. (I'm sorry, Mac OS 8 was NOT that great of an OS.) So they also abuse the term in an attempt to get people to stop pestering them about how much better the Mac is. They're comfortable, so they don't want to be bothered. Sometimes they even become a sort of inverse fanboy in that they hang onto ever possible wrong they see with the opposition. (Case in point: Java is slow.) Never mind if it's still true or not. It was once at least sort of true, so that's good enough.

So next time you think of using the term "fanboy", think for a moment. You may be abusing the term and making yourself look bad at the same time.

Re:Fanboy: Possibly the most abused term ever (1)

beavis88 (25983) | about 7 years ago | (#19550261)

I'm sorry, Mac OS 8 was NOT that great of an OS.

Shit, it wasn't any worse than Windows 95!

(Not that either of them were great...)

The elephant in the room (1)

dedazo (737510) | about 7 years ago | (#19550343)

I suspect that for this discussion the "elephant" is going to be the FOSS fanboys, though I guess they're more often referred to as "zealots". It's interesting that the linked article only refers to the mindless dedication to a company and not to a cause. IMO the latter is the more harmful and destructive, and *much* more common on Slashdot.

Re:The elephant in the room (1)

Tony (765) | about 7 years ago | (#19550947)

It's interesting that the linked article only refers to the mindless dedication to a company and not to a cause. IMO the latter is the more harmful and destructive, and *much* more common on Slashdot.

So true.

There are so many fundamentalist libertarians around here, it makes me sick.

Inverse Fanboy (2, Insightful)

tb()ne (625102) | about 7 years ago | (#19550417)

You bring up a good point with case of the "inverse fanboy" who feverishly, persistently, and often irrationally criticizes or insults a particular company or product. The phenomenon is widespread but I think it needs a better name. If there's not a prevalent term yet, I vote for "flameboy" or "foeboy".

Re:Fanboy: Possibly the most abused term ever (2, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 7 years ago | (#19550473)

Every technology has their fanboys. There are Mac fanboys, Windows fanboys, Ubuntu Linux fanboys, Sony/PS3 fanboys, Nintendo/Wii fanboys, etc. To me a fanboy is someone who ignores reality to show everyone how 'great' their choice of tool is. Apple/Mac/iPod fanboys typically defend Apple even when Apple is being an asshat. Linux fanboys love to bash Microsoft even when they have actually produced something good and useful. Windows fanboys love to point out how BSODs on Windows 2000/XP/Vista are exceedlingly rare, while ignoring the fact that Windows is insecure mostly because the architecture favors usability over security and that poorly-written Windows applications, which are quite numerous, cause all sorts of other problems because the Windows monoculture encourages poor programming practices.

Myself, I tend to be ecumenical and use what works. For myself, I choose Ubuntu at home, with Windows 2000 running under QEMU for those Windows applications that I feel I cannot live without. I use Windows at work (not by choice) but still find its features to be useful and helpful at times. Mac OS X is a good, solid OS, but it comes with a larger price tag than either a Windows or Linux PC and really doesn't have good support for some types of applications (and not just gaming).

Re:Fanboy: Possibly the most abused term ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550933)

Does masturbating to a picture of Steve Jobs make me a fanboy?

Fanboys do marketing huh... (3, Interesting)

suv4x4 (956391) | about 7 years ago | (#19550259)

Combine their need to do marketing on behalf of their adopted companies and their products with the passion to make others see things their way, and you have a powerful group of people.

Right, here's the kind of reactions [] the marketing of a group of unstoppable fanboys achieve.

I too am someone who witnessed the sad transformation of a Windows/Linux guy into a Mac fanboy. Now every little problem I have on my computer, be it slow connection, or program hang, or WHATEVER, serves as a reason that I should be constantly reminded "how much I need a Mac".

"Man, you SO need a Mac!"

"Shit, dude, you gotta get a Mac."

"Macs are sooo cool, let's find you a Mac."

Everything on a Mac is godly and I apparently and struggling to survive without that on my Windows system. Even shadows! How the heck can I work without shadows behind my windows?! Impossible.

I'm suspecting that when you sum up the total of positive and negative effects of rabid fanboys defending their limited view on the world, the picture isn't nice. I'm sure there are people who will despise Mac and Linux without ever seen them, just because of the overly zealous fanboys that nagged them incessantly.

Re:Fanboys do marketing huh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550863)

Even shadows! How the heck can I work without shadows behind my windows?! Impossible.
Doood! Vista has shadows! You should totally get Vista!!!!!!111!!111PONIES!!!!111!!!1!!!!

Re:Fanboys do marketing huh... (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 7 years ago | (#19550921)

Even shadows! How the heck can I work without shadows behind my windows?! Impossible.

That's why you need to upgrade to Vista. It adds shadows behind the windows (at least, if you're using the full Aero experience or whatever it's called). Or you can use Compiz/Beryl under Linux, they both support window shadows.

I don't have a real point here, just that apparently shadows are in fact so important that every other OS had to add them just as soon as possible. And, let's be honest, they are useful - just not exactly required.

You gotta be kidding me (4, Insightful)

Sunburnt (890890) | about 7 years ago | (#19550275)

How, exactly, did this trolling article make it to the top of the Firehose? Have we become Digg while I was sleeping?

Man, I must be new here.

Re:You gotta be kidding me (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | about 7 years ago | (#19550367)

You must be ancient here.

Re:You gotta be kidding me (1)

metamatic (202216) | about 7 years ago | (#19550615)

Yeah, what we really need is an article on the psychology of armchair psychologists.

its all about the money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550289)

In my mind a "fanboy" is someone trying to justify their purchase or time invested.

"You mean I spent on a crappy that's been collecting dust or doesn't live up to expectations!?!?! I need to get all my friends to buy this too so I can feel better about having bought it..."

Feel free to insert that with anything made by Sony, Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo - any of the big guys (or little guys) - or games/pieces of software (WoW, etc.) whatever tickles your fancy :)

sigh.... (5, Funny)

twoboxen (1111241) | about 7 years ago | (#19550291)

I guess it's a slow news day. How am I supposed to avoid work all day when this is all slashdot has to offer :(

Fan Boys = people who cant admit to mistakes (2, Interesting)

svendsen (1029716) | about 7 years ago | (#19550295)

I'd like to know how anyone can be a fan boy for anything that boils down to luxury items? I mean the answer is easy: you bought something and need to justify why you bought it even if it sucks. You'd rather say product A is amazing and is a cure all vs. damn made a mistake need to fix it. You can also tell how unhappy a person is with their product by how much energy and effort they put into attacking the competition.

Who isn't a fanboy? (5, Insightful)

wandazulu (265281) | about 7 years ago | (#19550325)

Isn't everyone a fanboy for some reason or another? Aren't the Ford guys who put that Calvin sticker peeing on a Chevy logo (and vice versa) fanboys? And how about all those Harley Davidson tattoos out there, would you call that 300 lbs leather-clad biker a fanboy? And then there's the people who watch a particular tv show and say "Hey, you gotta watch this..." and then is hurt that you don't have any interest in watching a bald guy picking songs from a juke box in a Jersey restaurant.

Finally, I know a guy who is as close to a luddite as you can computer, no tv, just a regular phone and a radio for electronics. Prefers reading to everything else and doesn't give a whiz about what bike he rides, what clothes he buys, anything; whatever's on sale and fits he gets. But if you ask what he's reading, he'll say he's reading Grapes of Wrath for the umpteenth time and then he'll talk your ear off about how Steinbeck is the only good writer America ever produced, and on and on for an hour or more. So that makes him a Steinbeck fanboy, doesn't it?

Re:Who isn't a fanboy? (2, Insightful)

svendsen (1029716) | about 7 years ago | (#19550379)

I don't think so. I think if he was a fan boy he would TELL you what he is reading and why it is the best without even being asked. IMHO fan boys will interject their opinions on their cult of choice when a) it wasn't even asked B) not even remotely close to the topic being discussed C) they know no one cares about D) they know this is the millionth time they have talked about this with the exact same group of people.

Re:Who isn't a fanboy? (1)

Nimey (114278) | about 7 years ago | (#19550475)

c.f. the Gentoo fanboys a couple years ago who would bring up their distro in e.g. Debian and Slackware articles.

Re:Who isn't a fanboy? (2, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | about 7 years ago | (#19550635)

And how about all those Harley Davidson tattoos out there, would you call that 300 lbs leather-clad biker a fanboy?

Absolutely! Someone who ties his self-image to a motorcycle he went into the shop and bought is every bit as pathetic as some nerd who does the same with electronics or entertainment industry products. I'd be less likely to tell the biker that to his face, but that's not the same thing. Anyway, nowadays someone who even owns a motorcycle is less lame than the guys sticking Orange County Choppers stickers on the back window of their SUVs.

The one group I'd single out as especially lowly are the file sharers whose lives revolve around stealing products and denouncing the people who make those products. At least the bikers don't say "Harleys suck so that's why it's OK for me to steal them."

Money (5, Insightful)

GWLlosa (800011) | about 7 years ago | (#19550327)

Tech/Gaming hobbies can be expensive. Just ask someone who has played WoW since launch how much of their money Blizzard has now. If it weren't for the fact that Blizzard/WoW is "amazing/ohmygod/awesome/cool", then it'd be possible that that money was misspent, right? Your average person is convinced he is not a fool. Fools don't make stupid decisions. Therefore, your average person is convinced that that PS3/WoW/iMac they just bought must be worth every penny. Given the prices on some of these things, the products (and their companies) must therefore somehow be 'better' than they seem. Result: Delusional Fans.

Cheering for sports teams? (5, Funny)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 7 years ago | (#19550345)

How is 'fanboyism' any different from cheering for your favorite sports team, political candidate or having faith in your religion.

And in keeping with the tradition of analogies on /.

Apple hardware is like the Yankees, someone paid far too much and got so little.

Either way, both the Yankees and Apple suck.

Yours Truly,
Curt Shilling

Re:Cheering for sports teams? (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 7 years ago | (#19550401)

And in keeping with the tradition of analogies on /. Apple hardware is like the Yankees, someone paid far too much and got so little.

D'oh! You should've used a CAR analogy you insensitive clod!


Under-represented aspects: (1, Redundant)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 7 years ago | (#19550355)


Sometimes a company likes to promote the idea that they actually have a fan base (you know, to generate 'buzz', stomp bad opinions against them, etc etc). See also Microsoft (though they are hardly alone in this). Incidentally, political figures and ideologies have a good parallel in fanboys and astroturfing as well.


Sometimes it can be (at least in my case years ago, it used to be) great fun to go in and advocate for The Other Side (tm), just to see what folks would do with it. Sometimes it's done to simply incite a reaction (a digital equivalent of throwing a stink bomb into a football locker room @ high school, or the chess club meeting, if you prefer), but sometimes it can be done to get folks on all sides to stop and think. You can tell very fast, depending on advocacy and style, if the reactions are by blinkered unthinking fanboys, or if there's some actual insight and thought that folks have put into their decision to support something.

Both cases tend to make the whole thing not so clear-cut, and I think the author should have discussed those a bit more, as they are large factors IMHO.


Slashdot: Stuff that matters? (1, Interesting)

niceone (992278) | about 7 years ago | (#19550385)

Yeah, I know people can argue about which stuff matters.... but In This Case There Is No Stuff. Nothing. The Entire Article IS Ccompletely Empty Of Anything That Could POSSIBLY Be DEFINED As STUFF.

Ah, that feels better.

(Sorry for the random CAPS, the lameness filter told me "Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.", well I was trying to yell, thank you very much).

fanboi-ism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550429)

isn't that like a head-less setup?

Or, in less nerdy terms... (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 7 years ago | (#19550453)

Fanboy seems to be the calling card of someone with passion behind a product or company. Take away the tech and IT and gizmos and they're just fans. As in sports fans.

Hardcore fans have their team. THEIR team. Armchair coaching while watching the game, collecting memorabilia, indoctorinating others with how awesome his team is and, if they're doing less than awesome, it's because of external influences and not lack of awesomeness.

Kind of like those "Da Bears" sketches on SNL.

The term should be Zealot. (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 7 years ago | (#19550457)

Fanboy seem to be looking for a replacement for religion. I mean okay you like your PS3 or Wii but why do you care if anybody else does? Same for Apple, Windows, or Linux.
I think part of it is defending your choice. People like to be right so if you bought a Wii instead of a PS3 you can feel that you are better or smarter than those that bought a PS3. If you bought a PS3 you might feel that people are insulating you be cause they are taking such glee in the lack luster sales of the PS3 so you defend it.

Frankly I find it depressing that people are now identifying themselves with some marketing juggernaut like Sony, Apple, Microsoft, AMD, Intel, and or Nintendo in place of some spiritual or ethical framework. Oh and before anyone makes some comment about killing for religion how many people got shot or hurt trying to get a PS3?
"It benefits a man not, too sell his soul for the whole world, but for a gaming console..."

Re:The term should be Zealot. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550841)

As a Mac user (and also Windows and Linux, but I have a Mac laptop), I'm always being challenged to defend the use of a Mac when "everyone" else uses Windows. I spend far more time being challenged to defend my choice than evangelising it, and, of course, when the original challenger usually has the attitude that "you must be crazy to not be using Windows" the response is likely to be overwhelmingly positive to argue that the original questioner is wrong to assume that it is the "wrong" choice. Same goes (to a lesser extent since its in my office only) for Linux. It's human nature, when someone accuses you of making the wrong choice to argue for it only focussing on the positive things. It's all in how the question is posed, but unfortunately most Windows users (I'm thinking of software developers and managers, here) tend to go on the attack as soon as something non-Windows is produced.

Windows users are rarely asked to defend their choice, while a Mac user or Linux user at a meeting is practically guaranteed to be challenged on the choice of platform.

No Way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550467)

OMG for Nintendo fanboys its more like child psychology mirite???

Re:No Way (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 7 years ago | (#19550801)

OMG for Nintendo fanboys its more like child psychology mirite???

Case in point []

My esteemed and learned colleagues, who is the fanboy in this frame of reference? The nebulous "Nintendo fanboys" of which the anonymous poster speaks, or the poster himself trying to fanatically put down an entire group? Certainly, there does not seem to be any of these "Nintendo fanboys" present to defend themselves. Yet the AC is contributing to the general impression of "fanboyism" (if you'll forgive the term) against this defenseless party. He even lacks so much as a single reference to the supposed abuses of this supposed Nintendo elite.

This raises the question: Does this incredible group he refers to even exist? Is it possible that such fanaticism is an invention of the AC, designed to cast doubt on the logic of others? After all, we only have his word that said group is so fanatical. He apparently expects that word to be taken on face value. Yet why should anyone? He's responded to no one with an answer to a question no one asked, has no identity to trace, and has produced no references. As arguments go, he hasn't even posited a logical foundation. Merely hearsay disguised as an argument.

So I ask again. Who should we be questioning: A group of alleged fanatics that has not been demonstrated to exist, or a nameless argument with no logic, credibility, or references?

Apologies for responding to a Slashdot troll, but it's amazingly on topic for a change. :)

Multiple fanpersonalities (1)

Elentari (1037226) | about 7 years ago | (#19550513)

What happens if you're considered to act like a fangirl regarding Mac OS and GNU/Linux?

Are you now just a Windows anti-fan, or not a fan of anything at all?

I mean, I like both the aforementioned OS's, and talk about them a lot, but they're still technically in opposition, so it makes me wonder whether the fact I support both equally is enough to counter any elitist behaviour I might exhibit when discussing either of them, as putting one thing - and one thing only - on a pedestal seems to be the trademark of the fanboy/girl.

Re:Multiple fanpersonalities (1)

gardyloo (512791) | about 7 years ago | (#19550943)

Oh, fangirls are totally OK (if slightly apocryphal). It's the fanboys we're being annoyed with at the moment. Right, guys?

Per-product, not by company (1)

athloi (1075845) | about 7 years ago | (#19550537)

Companies are just groups of people. I can't be a fanboi about anything but an excellent product, and few companies make all excellent products. This keeps me from drinking the kool-aid of some populist cult based on a plastic object, but does let me praise true excellence where I find it (TextPad).

That is considered an "article"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550565)

worth linking to? LAME...

Fantasy fundamentalism league for America (1)

British (51765) | about 7 years ago | (#19550593)

Just as how middle eastern countries have their fundamentalist wackos shooting AK-47s into the air and hating Jews, we Americans have it too.

But, we have no religion to grasp onto, no AK-47s to shoot, or civilian areas to blow up. So we improvise in a capitalist society. We grasp on to our favorite video game console, car, team, or whatever sellable good/brand. We discuss and agree with others that have made the same purchase we do. We fight with others against who bought a competing product. Our symbols(Chevy brand, Calvin peeing on something) show our loyalty.

So it's basically a fantasy football league for capitalism. Companies know this and will milk you for it. For example, a Nike shirt. YOU pay THEM(Nike) to advertise THEIR product. Sheer genius! It's the most economical form of advertising!

C'mon we live in a capitalist society. It was bound to happen. I mean, my top friends on my myspace friends list is a bottle of Smirnoff ice and a box of tampons.

Worst post ever (1)

Mondo1287 (622491) | about 7 years ago | (#19550649)

Seriously this post sucks. Why is some lame rant slashdot news?

If there's anything I've learnt as a fanboy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550705)

and yes I've been there was a was younger and more naive, it's that being a fanboy achieves nothing for the most part. The fact is, fanboys can be spotted a mile off and achieve nothing, if anything they counter-achieve.

Previously I was tempted to buy a Macbook, after seeing a friends, how decent a size they were and so forth it seemed like a nice buy, I'd also try developing on it and so forth but to do this I'd need to ask a fair few questions, both about developing on the Mac and possibly even when getting used to Mac OS itself. I'm no longer interested in buying one for the very reason that responses from the Apple fanboys when asking questions about the iPhone and Mac are some of the most pathetic I've ever seen, Apple fanboyism makes PS3/XBox 360 fanboyism look extremely pale in comparison.

Round our way... (1)

clickety6 (141178) | about 7 years ago | (#19550763)

... we call 'em Jehovah's Witnesses....

NOT A Fanboy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550781)

I prefer "volunteer corporate evangelist" :-)

Oh great. (1)

RealGrouchy (943109) | about 7 years ago | (#19550815)

Now all the psychology fanboys are going to be coming onto /. to defend this story!

- RG>

More interesting the psych of the labelers... (2, Insightful)

DrRobert (179090) | about 7 years ago | (#19550823)

Typically when a group is labelled, the most interesting thing is the psychology of the group that is doing the labelling. A label is used to contain, restrict, and demean someone with an opposing view, or a view that you simply do not understand. After all, they aren't doing what most people do, so they can't be right can they... But I'm not a lemming so therefore they must be labelled as something else. If the psychology of the fanboy were really important they would name themselves. People in general do not trust people who go against the grain, particularly if they are sure of themselves. This is an issue that is gratly exaggerated on slasdot... where you must begin every post with " In my humble opinion...but I could be wrong...not to be a fanboy but..." If you just state what you think, you are a zealot or narrow-minded, or a fanboy. It should be a given that anything you say is your opinion, people should realize and accept that whether they agree or not. You should not have to beg off abuse in advance. Labels are just a part of the phenomenon of people not being able to accept individual differences (in my humble opinion) through insecurity.

People would label me a unix or mac fanboy depend on the individual comment, but it not because I have a particular attitude about those things, no religious zealotry, no overarchign RMS-philosophy, just that those tools do what I need done. If I ever needed a windows machine, or a PS3, or whatever. I would by one... It has just never come up as an issue. The non-fanboy can't accept that though.. in general...

Love (1)

mr100percent (57156) | about 7 years ago | (#19550847)

To paraphrase Al Franken, there's a difference in love between a three year old who loves their mommy ("you said something bad about mommy! You are against her and me.") and a grown man ("yes, it is a legitimate criticism you bring up, but a minor con in the relationship")

you'rer all wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19550877)

a fanboy is someone obsessed and/or reliant on a product and therefore thinks there is no alternative. ie, any windows user. And in-turn diss people who know whats really better and usually understand the technical origins of all competing products.
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