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Worst comparison chart EVER (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551435)

Apart from not selecting like for like that's arguably the most horribly biased selection of measurements I've ever seen used in a comparison chart. I know the aim of the chart is to try and make the iPhone look good but when doing these type of charts most companies at least give their competitors some credit so as not to look too desperate. Probably the most obvious is the first - thickness comparison without weight, width and height comparison? It's a shame it doesn't list things like features either because that's where the iPhone really fails miserably, it simply has no killer app like the Nokia N95's built in GPS.

Posted anonymously to avoid the Apple fanboy army that plagues Slashdot and that can't accept that Apple aren't always capable of producing a decent product.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (3, Insightful)

pantherace (165052) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551501)

You've not looked at many of Apple's comparison charts have you?

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551895)

What does that matter? He was talking about this one in particular.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (5, Funny)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551967)

One isn't a valid sample. He should get a load of them and compare them. Maybe on a chart or something.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551981)

The original poster said this chart was "arguably the most horribly biased selection of measurements I've ever seen used in a comparison chart".

So the point of the post you replied to was to suggest that all apple comparison charts are similar, and that if this one is the "most horribly biased" he has seen, then he must not have seen any other apple comparison charts before.

See how it makes sense now?

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (3, Interesting)

piecewise (169377) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551505)

The press release is about the physical attributes of the iPhone, so the comparison charts deal strictly with physical attributes, not things like GPS.

Finally, slimness is what consumers care about. If you want to make l x w x h comparisons, all that data is readily available.

Fails miserably on features? Plays TV shows, movies, music, Google Maps with traffic and directions, syncs with iTunes, iPhoto, iCal, Office/Outlook, supports third-party development, on a huge 3.7" screen. How is that failing on features?

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551639)

the comparison charts deal strictly with physical attributes, not things like GPS.

Really? I had no idea that "Internet Use", "Video Playback", and "Audio Playback" were physical attributes.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (3, Insightful)

madsenj37 (612413) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551773)

Alone they are not. However, they are physical attributes when related to use of battery time.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551891)

Well my phone is physically incapable of doing any of those things!

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (4, Insightful)

Wabin (600045) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551749)

Supports third party development? Are you kidding? Sure, you can make web apps, but palm, symbian and even windows mobile kinda blow it out of the water on that front.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (5, Funny)

killmenow (184444) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551753)

... on a huge 3.7" screen...

Only on slashdot will you ever hear 3.7" referred to as "huge".

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (5, Funny)

iMac Were (911261) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552013)

Depends if that's the width, honey.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (0, Offtopic)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552113)

Are you saying you have larger balls?

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (3, Informative)

Xest (935314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551765)

You sound roughly about as biased as the comparison chart. To be fair the OP has a point.

If it's about physical attributes why does it list non-physical attributes? and only one of the few physical attributes?

Slimness is all consumers care about? If that was the case everyone would be happy with the iPaq phones because they're so slim, of course in reality, the issue is they're too wide for most people to want in their pockets. Personally I also prefer phones to be light, so for me weight is one of the largest issues.

As for features well, yes it does have a few but not as many as the new Nokia and Sony offerings. Supports 3rd party development? this is a joke right? again, other offerings have full Java and some even C++ application support - that's an awful lot more than rich internet apps which nice, are still extremely limited - again, you aint EVER going to see anything like this on iPhones with their supposed 3rd party application support:

http://www.midlet-review.com/index?content=news&id =1023 [midlet-review.com]

It's probably worth noting the iPhone's camera is pretty dire in comparison to the new Sony/Nokia offerings too - 2megapixel vs. 5 megapixel.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (3, Insightful)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552159)

Slimness is all consumers care about?

Another oddball consumer here-

What I care about is reception range/quality and battery life. I actually prefer a larger phone, as long as it'll fit in a pocket. Note: I shove paperback books in that pocket all the time. The reception range is on the list because I live a long ways from the nearest cell tower. The battery become second because as a result my phone ends up having to use full power much of the time.

Followups would be durability, then various features like bluetooth, GPS and MP3 playing. I know how to use a map, and do so, so I normally know where I am, and already have a dedicated mp3 player.

A nice big brick phone with a sensitive receiver, powerfull transmitter, huge battery with bluetooth would almost be my ideal phone. That way I can use my nice headset and stick the monster on my belt or passanger seat of my car.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (1)

walt-sjc (145127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551783)

I'd also like to see weight on the chart. All fit in a pocket just fine unlike the phones of yester-year, but some phones are just bloody heavy and don't sit well in a pocket.

Talk time is great and all, but if you can swap batteries it's not all that important. If you have sacrificed features such as a keyboard (I prefer a slide-out keyboard), memory card slots, replaceable battery, etc. for the small size, then you have also sacrificed usability and utility.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (0, Troll)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551799)

he press release is about the physical attributes of the iPhone, so the comparison charts deal strictly with physical attributes, not things like GPS.

Explain to me how Talk Time, Internet Use, Video Playback, and Audio Playback are physical attributes?

Finally, slimness is what consumers care about. If you want to make l x w x h comparisons, all that data is readily available.

When it's down to a few mm width really doesn't matter. And if the data is readily available, why didn't they include it? This IS a physical attributes comparison chart after all. H x L x W and weight are generally the most important attributes when describing the physical make up of a product.

Not going to go into a battle of product features, but my current phone does all of that, except it supports products that are installed on ~90% of the market, instead of ~5%. Not saying it isn't feature rich, but what you listed is nothing special (feature wise), except the bigger screen.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551899)

Finally, slimness is what consumers care about.

So you'd feel just fine with a 0.25in thick phone 1ft high by 6in wide and weighing 15lbs?

I care about exactly one aspect of my phone's geometry - Does it fit in the little half-pockets on the mid-leg side of all my jeans.

For the record, the iPhone comes in at 0.46x2.4x4.5in. That would probably not fit in said pockets (which have a flattened width of just under 2.5in on the pants I have on today), or at best would fit too tightly for comfort. My current phone fits nicely, however, at 0.9x2.0x4.3in, despite literally twice the given-yet-irrelevant thickness.



the comparison charts deal strictly with physical attributes, not things like GPS.

The "Wi-Fi", "Talk Time", "Internet Use", "Video Playback", and "Audio Playback" rows on that chart would tend to disagree.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19552079)

nope the picture has tech features such as wifi, battery life etc

slimness is not what consumers care about

features: GPS and a decent SDK to name but 2

I am not on either side of the fence but apple will find that the phone market is a tough nut.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (2, Insightful)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551683)

Seriously, if you are the sort of person that must rely on GPS and a four billion dollar infrastructure to get lunch you probably shouldn't be allowed in public unescorted anyway.

GPS is a gimmick unless you are :
A) Plotting cruise missile strikes
B)Lost in a forest being chased by bigfoot

TomTom is much better for in car navigation than any cell phone could be.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (1, Redundant)

Da Fokka (94074) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551915)

TomTom is much better for in car navigation than any cell phone could be.


You are aware that TomTom also uses GPS?

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (3, Insightful)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551993)

GPS is a Gimmick ?!?

HOORAY, I LOVE GIMMICKS !

seriously, isn't that what this is all about anyway? most gimmicks wins ?

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (1)

eyeye (653962) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552025)

TomTom is much better for in car navigation than any cell phone could be.


My phone RUNS TomTom, something you don't have an option with on the iPhone, even if you coupled it with an external GPS unit since you can't run software on it.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552143)

Fine - but where's bigfoot?

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551717)

Why do you think an otherwise terrible phone like the RAZR ever got so popular? Thickness is a *huge* feature, as it's the most detrimental dimension for pockets.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551877)

I notice they also left the Motorola Q off the list, arguably the best smartphone out there right now for the money.

Motorola Q review: battery life... stinks (1)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552019)

It looks like the Motorola Q isn't competition with respect to battery life.

Motorola Q Review [brighthand.com]
"Here's the ugly part. Battery life of the Q just plain stinks. I know, I know, I've said all along that a lot of the Q is based on compromises based on the design. Motorola quotes 4 hours talk time, but that's full of caveats. In the real world, with moderate phone use and 10 minute pulls from our Exchange server, the battery won't make it through the work day. Heavy phone users are going to be flustered pretty quickly. Motorola has an extended battery option, but this of course ruins the lines of the device. So either go that route and give up a little bit on design, or invest in a car charger, backup battery and a charger for your home."

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (2, Informative)

theGreater (596196) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551929)

A better comparison chart might include

  • 02 XDA Flame
  • Eten Glofiish x500+
  • FIC neo1973
  • Sharp 904SH
  • T-Mobile MDA-IV

These models are all in a similar price range, have nice touchscreens (I think), and full 640*480 resolution. Have I missed one?

-theGreater.

Re:Worst comparison chart EVER (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551943)

Did you really expect apple to say negative things about their own products? I'm a little confused by you calling apple biased towards it's own products.. like.. why wouldn't they be?

Worst AC excuse EVER (1, Insightful)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552149)

No. You posted AC because you posted a flamebait troll. Claiming to be afraid of the "fanboy" is an interesting ploy. I think you would have found that the mod points awarded to your AC post wouldn't have been much different if you had posted under your regular login, Mr. Ballmer.

Interesting (1)

drhamad (868567) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551459)

Not that most/any battery lives up to its ratings, but in terms of announced figures, this is pretty impressive. Other smartphones out there tend to have 4-5 hour talk time batteries. Maybe 8 hour talk times will stem complaints of non-replaceable batteries a bit. After all, if you're on your cellphone more than 8 hours a day, you might need to re-evaluate your life... even as a business user ;)

And 24 hours audio playback? Where do I sign up? Goodbye recharging my cell phone every night and my iPod every other.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551837)

Actually, I get way more than "5.5 hours" talktime on my Blackjack, with the standard battery. In fact, the only time I get less than 8 hours talktime is when I'm using my BlueTooth earpiece. Besides, Cingular includes both the standard battery and the extended life battery with every Blackjack now, so if one dies, the other can easily be put in without having to find an outlet to plugin a charger.

Re:Interesting (2, Insightful)

notanatheist (581086) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551885)

quote "if you're on your cellphone more than 8 hours a day, you might need to re-evaluate your life"

If you're on a business trip for a couple of days without access to a charger then it sure would be nice to have that exteneded talk time. Though it can be considered irrelelvant if it uses a standard mini-USB connection as you can always find a shop that'll sell the cable for less than $10.

Nice (3, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551471)

Those are upgrades every user will appreciate. Battery life is obviously good, and remember all the furor over iPod Nano scratches?

How about.... Price? (0, Troll)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551483)

Look.. This thing can have all the features in the world, but when it's revealed that it'll cost $800-$1000, who's going to actually buy one? The iPhone suffers from PS3-itis.

Re:How about.... Price? (2, Insightful)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551529)

If 1% of the people getting new phones buy on, Apple's met their goal.

Re:How about.... Price? (2, Insightful)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551551)

Yeah. That 1% didn't work too well for the N-Gage.

Re:How about.... Price? (2, Funny)

Futile Rhetoric (1105323) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551759)

Wait, are you serious? NGage is a gaming machine, and had to attract third party developers for any kind of success. 1% of the market simply wouldn't be enough for that. This isn't even apples and oranges, it's apples and bloody watermelons.

Re:How about.... Price? (2, Interesting)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551623)

Ok, what percent of AT&T users will need to buy this to get it to equal 1% of all new phone sales? I think the lack of choice in carriers has a bigger impact than the price, right off.

Re:How about.... Price? (3, Interesting)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551573)

I'll pay $250 tops. This is the first smart phone that I've seen that I would actually consider using. I just set up my VP's black berry last week and after 5 minutes my thumbs were already sore. But I just can't justify spending more than $250 on a phone. I'd like the extra features, but I can live without them.

-Rick

Re:How about.... Price? (5, Funny)

BlakeReid (1033116) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551901)

I'll pay $250 tops.
Wrong. You'll pay $499, line up 12 hours in advance, sign an 8 year contract with Satan and give your first born over to me - and you'll like it! Love, Steve Jobs

Re:How about.... Price? (1)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551701)

Well, then I must have PS3-itis, because I very much want one. Also, last time I checked, it was only $600, but if it is now $800, fine... For Apple products, it definitely worth it. That is just my opinion, though.

I am also no "fanboy" as everyone seems to like to call people who likes Apple. I just love better products and are willing to pay extra for them. If you are not, then that it fine. Also, any break from the Blackberry barbie doll features madness would be greatly appreciated. I am tired of having calluses on my thumbs... Quite annoying..

Re:How about.... Price? (5, Interesting)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551935)

I am also no "fanboy" as everyone seems to like to call people who likes Apple. I just love better products and are willing to pay extra for them.

Also, last time I checked, it was only $600, but if it is now $800, fine... For Apple products, it definitely worth it.

Just as a note: take it from me, you're a fanboi if this is the way you really think.

You're already proclaiming that spending as much as 2-3 times what most smart phones cost is Ok with you because it's an Apple, without even getting the phone into your hands? Actually, even more than Ok but "definitely worth it."

If that's not fanboism what is?

I'm not saying the phone is not worth it. If all the promises are true and if the phone is as reliable as my iPod has been I can understand why people found it desirable. But the fact is that you're pretty much saying it's a done deal. No one on slashdot, or at least very very few, have even had one of these in their hands let alone made a call on one or beat it around for a few months or a year to give us the kind of serious insight into this device that dictates spending big money on it.

To sit there and publicly proclaim a product get's a "thumbs up" simply because of the name etched into it's shell is fanboism. 100%. Every company makes a bad product and Apple has had enough to show us they're no different than anyone else. To deny that is also fanboism.

Re:How about.... Price? (2, Informative)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551703)

No wonder you were modded troll - the cost isn't $800 - it is $500 or $600 depending on the model.

Re:How about.... Price? (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552021)

With the service contract, you're looking at 800+

Re:How about.... Price? (1)

pitdingo (649676) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551711)

how could it have ps3-itis if it is not for sale yet? No one knows if it is going to sell millions or tank. It goes on sale on the 29th. once all the hype has died down around the initial release, we will all know for sure if Apple has another hit or failure.

Re:How about.... Price? (1)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551813)

I'll see you in 13 days when the phone is selling for the same price they've been advertised as ($499 & $599).

Glass why? (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551495)

Why dont they simply use polycarbonate and use the same coatings used on glasses? There are some anti-scratch coatings for polycarbonate that give you nearly the same durability as glass does with far less weight and problems.

Although I have wondered this cince the Ipod came out. anti scratch coatings are pretty darn impressive.

Re:Glass why? (3, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551647)

anti scratch coatings are pretty darn impressive.

Probably for QC/QA reasons. I have a spare pair of glasses at home w/ Polycarbonate lenses, where the left lens has a lot of crazing and surface imperfections due to the anti-scratch coatings wearing off/out prematurely. A previous pair of lenses on the same frame did the same thing on the right lens. It could be the metal used in the frame (though it's not exactly kryptonite or anything), or it could've been in reaction to the environment I'd worn them in... dunno.

Even if only one of 100,000 who experienced this problem (a reasonable figure, I think - the optometrist in my case said it happened occasionally on glasses), it would still be a fairly large headache for Apple to keep ahead of.

/P

Re:Glass why? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551937)

There is no such thing as a "scratch coating" for optical polycarbonate lenses. The lenses are coated, true, but without the chem treatment and UV curing you'll scratch the lens by _breathing_ on it.

Polycarbonate is _soft_ compared with optical plastic. It's more shatter resistant because it's soft, and bends under an impact, rather than stiffly resisting like glass.

That doesn't mean that they perhaps dont have a bettr class of chem treatment, but optical polycarbonate == compact disc material. Tell me that resists scratches as much as glass!

But.... (3, Insightful)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551499)

How is the actual voice quality since well it's a phone and all?

Huge penis failure (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551507)

In your pants. [goatse.cz]

Re:Huge penis failure (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551607)

HAHAHAHAAHA you sure are funny for posting that!

Dvorak strikes again (4, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551533)

A little while back, Dvorak (the original, not the popular term for a retard) was claiming the iPhone would have 40 minutes talk-time [youtube.com] [the link doesn't go to Dvorak's site].

So, where's the retraction, John - after all, any *responsible* journalist's priority is the truth, not just seeking attention for himself at the expense of others...

Simon

Re:Dvorak strikes again (5, Funny)

killmenow (184444) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551861)

...Dvorak (the original, not the popular term for a retard)...

Please stop insulting retards.

Re:Dvorak strikes again (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552119)

I can only talk for 40 minutes you insensitive clod!

all of this and... (1)

friedman101 (618627) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551541)

Steve Jobs was even kind enough to include safa...er.....a development platform.

Look at the phones. Battery life was a secret. (5, Interesting)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551593)

Looking at these phones it becomes clear that battery life was a secret feature of the iPhone, probably known to Apple all along. It's clearly one of the intended design features of the phone. By eliminating the keyboards (and sliders), and stylus storage slots, Apple wound up with a phone that not only has almost twice as much space available for the display screen, but also has nearly twice as much room for battery. Sure, they probably put a lot of effort into power management features of OS X, and other optimizations in the hardware design, but the biggest win is undoubtedly the physical design.

Re:Look at the phones. Battery life was a secret. (2, Interesting)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551977)

How exactly is removing features to extend other features brilliant? Don't forget they removed the battery cover, circuitry for 3G, GPS, etc etc.

Does Anyone Do Hype Better? (4, Interesting)

dprovine (140134) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551599)

I used to think the NFL was the world's greatest hype machine, with the annual orgy of coverage about the Super Bowl, a game that's usually not as interesting as the commercials.

But Apple has probably gotten something like a billion dollars of free publicity for six months about the iPhone, which almost nobody has actually held in their hands yet. I'm convinced that the business last week with Safari was planned way in advance, as was this bit with the batteries and the screen, so that in the last few weeks before the iPhone came out Apple would be getting more gobs of free press.

Is there anybody who works the press as well as Steve Jobs?

Re:Does Anyone Do Hype Better? (5, Funny)

tritone (189506) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551705)

"Is there anybody who works the press as well as Steve Jobs?"

Uhh. Paris Hilton?

Re:Does Anyone Do Hype Better? (1)

BuR4N (512430) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551989)

Probably not, the amount of free publicity they get is nothing less then amazing. As a company owner, I can assure you that getting something written about your company is very tricky.

I think however that Apples decade long love affair with printed media have played an important part in this, it cant just be credited Jobs alone.

Think of it, most of the people that decides whats getting printed and not, have spent most of their professional life working on Apple products, and are probably card carrying members of the Apple fan club, cant get better than that.

Battery Life (1)

TitusC3v5 (608284) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551605)

Seven Hours of video playback? Color me skeptical.

Re:Battery Life (2, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551747)

Seven hours of video playback from 8 Gigs (max) of RAM? Color me skeptical, too.

Re:Battery Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19552001)

most people will just watch the same porno again and again- perhaps even the same few seconds of it.

Uh huh (5, Insightful)

lewp (95638) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551611)

The battery probably didn't even change. The only difference is that the old numbers came from engineering, and the new numbers came from PR :P

(I kid, I kid. I think it's a pretty sweet little device, personally.)

Re:Uh huh (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551819)

You're probably right about engineering or a software change. Apple is well known for using creative software to compensate for bad hardware or make great hardware even better. Bill Atkinson started this with the window rendering software in the original Macintosh. He could render rounded rectangles faster than anyone could imagine on a machine nobody thought was capable of such a task.

Re:Uh huh (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551971)

He could render rounded rectangles faster than anyone could imagine on a machine nobody thought was capable of such a task.

I'm pretty sure that nobody thought it was impossible to render a rounded rectangle on a mac. I mean, I can draw one in Logo on an Apple ][ in nothing flat.

Hhhmmm ... (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551617)

Swapping out the plastic screen for a glass one. That's bound to cost more.

Will it Survive a Fall? (4, Interesting)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551629)

Cell phones get dropped fairly regularly. I'm sure the same goes for ipods. Will the iphone be able to withstand a fall from 3 or 4 feet onto carpeting or concrete?

Re:Will it Survive a Fall? (3, Interesting)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551817)

I assume you are specifically referring to the fact that it has glass?

The Newton had a glass screen and I recall seeing a lot of them fall and none ever broke the screen from the fall. One time someone dropped a newton onto the screen of another newton and the screen did break, but the one she dropped was OK.

So, who knows? It is possible that it might survive a fall but it is hard to say until it actually ships.

See you in line on the 29th!

Re:Will it Survive a Fall? (4, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552061)

I know a guy who worked at RIM, and they said they actually did testing like this with their blackberries. I'm not sure about the current models, but 3 or 4 years ago, they were made to stand up to quite a substantial drop. This kind of stuff is really important. I almost wish there was independant crash tests done on consumer products the same way they are done on cars.

It's a kind of magic.. (3, Insightful)

delire (809063) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551645)

..and the new Intel Macs were supposed to be four-to-seven times faster [gizmodo.com] than a 1.7GHz PPC and have 4 hours battery life.

I think I might just wait for the first few 100k sales before I look at the next 'comparison chart' from Apple Corp..

missing rows from the "competitive" chart... (1)

Qubit (100461) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551657)

  • Price
  • # of carriers on which the system is supported
  • Available SDK for developers
Apple makes nice hardware, but they want to make a buck just like all the other companies with phones in that lineup. The chart was pretty, but what I'd really like to see is some independent site doing a reasonably fair comparison.

Re:missing rows from the "competitive" chart... (1)

starbuckr0x (1073378) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551979)

I agree. The biggest drawback IMHO to buying this guy is simply the service agreement I'll be signing at the cash register. I currently use Verizon, so I'm pretty much SOL unless I want to break my contract. If the iPhone really does start any kind of revolution, then it needs to learn how to play with others first.

Nokia N800 should be on Comparison Chart (0)

tggreen (998739) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551671)


I've been putting off purchasing a Nokia N800 until iPhone appears in stores. I don't find the chart to be helpful because it doesn't list the N800 or other competitive phones.

Re:Nokia N800 should be on Comparison Chart (3, Informative)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551855)

Um, because maybe the N800 isn't a phone? You can do VOIP, but it doesn't have cell phone capabilities (I know, I own an N800).

Re:Nokia N800 should be on Comparison Chart (1)

tggreen (998739) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551987)

By that reasoning, we shouldn't rank digital PCS phones against analog cell phones, either. I think all technologies that allow one to make a voice call to someone else's phone are equally worth considering. I think it's perfectly legitimate to compare an IP phone against a PCS phone-- particularly if the IP phone is cheaper for phone+web+mail+messaging.

Can it service the wife? (3, Funny)

gelfling (6534) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551723)

Mow the lawn, teach me Spanish? Is it waterproof, shockproof? Can it float fly and sit in an oven? Will it let me run my personal build of BSD? No? Then it's shit and we should shun it and hate it.

How many N95's sell anyway? They cost $800 (list from Dynamism).

Re:Can it service the wife? Probably with iGasm (1)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551893)

Presumably this device will be compatible with the iPhone, and may assist you in your desire to perform other tasks with your phone: iGasm [gadgetcandy.com] .

Re:Can it service the wife? (1)

Cerberus7 (66071) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552039)

By "Can it service the wife" do you mean "can it perform cunnilingus on a hard wood floor?"

Oh, and as for being on-topic, I don't believe the battery life just yet. I'll wait until real people are using them in real life before I believe a statement like that.

Re:Can it service the wife? (1)

eyeye (653962) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552115)

I am waiting for HTC's take on the big touchscreen phone, it probably will mow the grass!

Pick one. (1)

thesolo (131008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551803)

Why did Apple choose to use millimetres to represent the thickness comparisons, but then use inches to represent the screen size comparisons? Is this some kind of marketing ploy made to emphasise the minuteness of the millimetre, and the heft of the inch?

How about they pick a unit of measure and stick with it? If you want to describe thickness (I'm surprised they didn't say thinness) in mm, then use mm/cm for the screen size too.

Look at it this way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551875)

Why does it fucking matter?

Of course it's a marketing ploy. What do you think that chart is? Pure marketing.

Realistically, they probably picked millimeters for the thickness because you can be more accurate with fewer decimal digits than inches at the dimension they're examining. On the other hand, screen sizes are almost always measured in inches.

Re:Pick one. (3, Informative)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551897)

Inches for the screen because Americans know what inches are.

MM for the thickness, because the point of the chart isn't the actual thickness, but the relative thickness of the iphone compared to the other phones. It's much easier for most people to compare the MM measurements against each other than it would be to compare 3/4" to 5/16" to 3/8", or whatever the imperial measurements would end up being. I deal with fractional measurements all day at work, and I still have to take a few seconds to think about it when I compare them.

Re:Pick one. (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551969)

If only you had not switched between Imperial and Metric English for your post we might have been able to understand what you were trying to say.

Re:Pick one. (-1, Flamebait)

thephydes (727739) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552087)

Simple really. Apple exists in a country that is out of step with the rest of the world with measurements. Hence the multi-million dollar mars probe crash a couple of years ago. Nobody thought to convert from miles per hour (or whatever) to metres per second. No-one in the US gives a fuck what a millimetre is and no-one outside gives one what an inch is (except maybe porn stars).

Obligatory... (0)

BlakeReid (1033116) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551815)

Wireless. Less plastic than a Palm. Lame.

Where are the useful features? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551835)

Will there be an ssh client or an rdp or ICA client for the thing?
What will the "keyboard" be like? The adverts are really piss poor on details..
Add some real communication applications so I can quit lugging around a laptop when on call and I'll be intereted!

Re:Where are the useful features? (2, Insightful)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552017)

Okay, you want marketing material on "sshing to your linux box"? Are you daft? Do you realize that nobody save for a few technical people will know what that means? The point of advertising is to reach the largest number of people with your message. Disqualifying 90% of the audience with severely technical things is stupid. The same people that would complain about that are the same people would complain because the OS isn't free (like beer and freedom). You're obviously too picky.

Saying all that, I too want these features but it's far from what I'd call a deal breaker if I can't ssh from it given all that it CAN do.

One one upgrade I'm interested in.... (1, Offtopic)

JakiChan (141719) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551865)

If AJAX is truly only going to be the way to develop apps for the phone then give us 3G. Sorry, I'm not gonna do ajax surfing over a lousy GPRS connection...

RDF (2, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551913)

Apple has announced upgrades to its battery life (almost 40% more than originally announced)
All they had to do was find a way to turn off the inbuilt RDF [wikipedia.org] generator.

Amazing! Still not buying (0, Redundant)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 7 years ago | (#19551955)

iPhone is great and all, but as long as they are paired up with ATT, I'm not touching them. Hell, given the price tag, I wouldn't touch them anyway. But ATT? No thanks

Re:Amazing! Still not buying (1)

nastrama (989376) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552165)

Exactlly....why the iphone will be a flash in pan at best 1) no one likes ATT 2) too expensive especially given roll out of several devices like VIA intros NanoBook Ultra Mobile Device - $600 ultraportable laptop and cheaper like devices... 3) touch screens s*ck, they make your finger tips sore after extended use especially on glass 4) glass? so is it unbreakable glass? or does one drop take out the iphone? 5) as usual Apple overprices a combined component item charging the max for each component instead of discounting a grouping.... as for example selling 5400 rpm drives in their high priced pcs when everyone else uses 7200 rpm unless its a cheapo....

what is needed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551959)

proper broadband (3G), skype, cheap plan (voice+data for $30/mo), no sim lock.

the rest (GPS etc) isnt going to be a killer app.

The Day the Music DIED !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19551973)

A long long time ago I can still remember How that music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance That I could make those people dance and maybe they'd be happy for a while

But february made me shiver With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep I couldn't take one more step

I can't remember if I cried when I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside - the day the music died

So Bye-Bye Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
singing this'll be the day that I die this'll be the day that I die

Did you write the book of love and do you have faith in God above if the Bible tells you so
Do you believe in rock 'n' roll? Can music save your mortal soul? And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well I know that you're in love with him because I saw you dancing in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes - Man I dig those rhythm and blues

I was a lonely teenage broncing buck With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck, the day the music died

I started singin Bye-Bye Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
And singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Now for ten years we've been on our own and moss grows fat on a rolling stone
But that's not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the king and queen in a coat he borrowed from james dean
And a voice that came from you and me

Oh and while the king was looking down the jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned - No verdict was returned
And while Lennon read a book of Marx the quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark, the day the music died

We were singing Bye-Bye Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye, and singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Helter Skelter in a summer swelter the birds flew off with a fallout shelter, Eight miles high and falling fast
It landed foul on the grass the players tried for a forward pass With the jester on the sidelines in a cast

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume While the sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance oh but we never got the chance because the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield - Do you recall what was revealedThe day the music died?

We started singing Bye-Bye Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye and singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

Oh and there we were all in one place - a generation lost in space with no time left to start again
So come on: jack be nimble jack be quick - Jack flash sat on a candlestick - cause fire is the devil's only friend

Oh and as I watched him on the stage, my hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in hell could break that satan spell
And as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite
I saw satan laughing with delight the day the music died

He was singing Bye-Bye Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye, and singing this'll be the day that I die, this'll be the day that I die

I met a girl who sang the blues and I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play

And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken
And the three men I admire most, the father son and the holy ghost
They caught the last train for the coast, the day the music died

And they were singing Bye-Bye Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye singing this'll be the day that I die

yee-haaw!

printing money (1)

joeldg (518249) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552031)

they are going to print money with this thing..
though, I am still thinking I will wait until a version 2 or so.. glad I never bought a first gen ipod

I don't see what all the fuss is about. (0)

JoeD (12073) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552035)

People are all excited about this thing, and I don't understand why. Is it the iPrefix somehow making people think this will be as big a deal as the iPod? The difference here is that the iPod came in at the beginning of a new market, while the iPhone is trying to crack an existing and highly-competitive one. And I'm just not seeing anything special.

Let's see.

It's expensive. It only works on one provider. And it's closed platform.

If it used a SIM card, and had an open API, I'd be a lot more impressed.

As it stands, I'll wait for the Openmoko [openmoko.com] .

Re:I don't see what all the fuss is about. (1)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552169)

If it used a SIM card, and had an open API, I'd be a lot more impressed.

It uses a SIM card and has a (sort-of) open API. Go away.

Charging iPod (1)

todspace (1101519) | more than 7 years ago | (#19552131)

Can`t the iPod be recharged with human warmness, as in the most cases it is located in persons pocket ? And the backside could be a solar based recharger. Heh, once I even cracked my head if it could be possible to recharge a laptop through WiFi :D
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