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Windows 2000 to be banned in Germany?

Hemos posted more than 14 years ago | from the fun-with-religious-law dept.

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tjansen writes "The German Site Heise reports in this article that Windows 2000 may be banned in Germany. The reason is the included deframentation software Diskeeper that is written by the Scientology-owned company Executive Software. Many state agencies and companies have policies that they are not allowed to use services from a company that is related to Scientology. " A good number of you will probably need to use The Babelfish.Update: 12/03 11:28 by H :Check out the English translation.

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Seriously (1)

penguinboy (35085) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484824)

Not that I love Windows 2000, but this sounds kind of silly.

Freaky Ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484825)

Heh. First, it was their ads in PC Week that made ridiculous claims about disk optimization.

Beware, though. Anyone who speaks out against this company faces a legal beating from the church we all know and love (to bash.) :)

The More the Merrier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484826)

This is totally awesome...if China is leaning toward open source, and Germany away from Winblowz (tm). If more countries start doing this, the folks in Redmont will be out of business (or so one may hope).
Then everyone would use Linux. Surely, world peace, elimination of all deseases, hunger, poverty, etc., and an unprecedented leap in science cannot be far behind! :-)

POST NUMBER NOTIFICATION. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484827)

I had the post number: 7

It may be different, but when I was posting this, that is how I saw it.

I FUCK NATALIE PORTMAN DAILY. MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE GOOD FUCKS!

-cow

Good old Bablefish (4)

kmcardle (24757) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484828)

The connection between the Psycho company and the software giant is sparkling wine assigning of the large churches a thorn in the eye.

Ah. Good. Things are much clearer now.

Redmond will quickly work around this one by removing the offending program. Good thing the guys didn't write IE 4.0. The Germans never would have gotten win98. :)

--

I just can't see this happening (2)

Dacta (24628) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484829)

If this really is an issue, then the diskeeper softwear would be fairly easy to remove (if it's not, maybe there should be an Anti-Trust suit about that one!)

I've used their product on NT4, and I believe that it is almost identical to the one on 2000. It's just a single program, people - it's pretty easy to remove it and make it a free download from the US MS site.

In a way, this isn't surprising (5)

jd (1658) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484830)

If Germany makes a law, or passes a ruling, it does at least stick to it, through thick or thin. We've seen that with Compuserve, and other interesting episodes.

This -could- be interesting, though, as Microsoft is likely to drop support for ALL other versions of Windows, in order to force people to upgrade.

If Windows 2000 is banned, even if only in Government departments, that will essentially force the de-Microsofting of the German Government. And that could spell some interesting times for *BSD and Linux vendors.

the Psycho company. (1)

Dast (10275) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484831)

"The connection between the Psycho company and the software giant is sparkling wine assigning of the large churches a thorn in the eye."

Gotta love that translation. The Psycho (note the capital "P") company. :) Can you feel the hate?

Now, I'm don't love the church of Scientology, but can someone explain this to me? And what is up with the references to "sparkling wine"?

To summarise... (2)

Rob the Roadie (2950) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484832)

W2K may be banned in Germany because a portion of the operating system (sic) was produced by a company owned/partly owned by the Scientologists?

Thats one in the eye for M$ but I can never see this standing up!

Clue vacuum (2)

Moonwick (6444) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484833)

Take a moment from your drop-of-a-hat Microsoft hatred to actually read the article. The issue at hand is that the Scientology 'church' operates a suspected intelligence organization (WISE [wise.org] ) that the German government does not want to risk contaminationg German affairs. It's not about Microsoft hatred. It's about paranoia.

They are serious... (5)

zorgon (66258) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484834)

I'm not too sure about that article (Babelfish implied that the spokesman was the Catholic church's official in charge of sparkling wine, which I think would be a pretty cool job actually, Dominus vobiscum), but the German federal government is really serious about Scientology. If I'm not mistaken the legal sanctions being imposed against Scientology are pretty much the same as those being used to suppress Nazism... it would not surprise me if the German government goes toe-to-toe with Microsoft over this one if it proves correct.
--

It's a "Bann", not a "Verbot" (3)

Philipp (1858) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484835)

The article quotes an official of the Catholic church, not a representative of the government. The word "Bann" in the headline has to be seen in this context: its a condemnation of the church. So to take this quote and speak of Windows 2000 going to be banned in Germany is quite a leap. So, don't believe everything Babelfish tells you and calm down, folks.

MS will support NT & 98 for four years (3)

Dacta (24628) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484836)

after they stop shipping. It is in their standard support agreement.

Why does it always have to be me defending MS from all the FUD on /.

I don't like MS, and it kills my Karma. :-(

Oh well.. if someone said something wrong about Linux, I'd do the same thing.

WTO will jump on them... (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484837)

I suspect the WTO could make a case for this being back-door protectionism, especially given that Germany has a large native OS distributor. I'm not sure who I find more scary, the WTO or the Co$.

Of course, I'm sure there are some Linux contributors who are scientologists, but I guess the regulation concerns companies.

BTW, what does Win2000 need a defragmentor for? I thought disk fragmentation was cracked long before journalling and b-trees hit the agenda.

Re:the Psycho company. (1)

jaclu (66513) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484838)

Reharding sparkling wine:
In German you use the spelling Sekt both for the Wine and for the religious sect

Re:It's a "Bann", not a "Verbot" (4)

jw3 (99683) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484839)

You are wrong: they also quote an official from the Innenministerium, the ministry for internal affairs, section devoted to Scientology. And the "bann" in this context meanst that it would not be used by public offices - and this does not have to do anything with the church.

Regards,

January

P.S. No, I'm not using babelfish. I just speak German and live in Germany.

Re:Seriously (1)

Billy Donahue (29642) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484840)

I noticed your User Info is an earthlink URL.

Not many people know this, but
Earthlink is owned by Scientology.

I guess Germans aren't supposed to use
Earthlink (or their acquired mindspring)
either...

If you hate Scientology as much as I do,
you should switch providers and vote with
your wallet.

Law (1)

dnnrly (120163) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484841)

Doesn't German law try to actively prevent 'cults' from spreading. I have a feeling that this is a side effect of thier anti nazism laws.

I laughed. I cried. (1)

EricWright (16803) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484842)

Oh, that was extremely funny. But, don't we typically use the Psycho company and "the software giant" interchangably?

Another of my favorites is...Harald bear, catholic representative for sparkling wines and world looking questions. I'm glad someone represents these noteworthy causes! You think Mr. Bear can give us some good tips on champagne futures? I missed out on the RH IPO!

Eric

Re:FIRST POST (1)

albalbo (33890) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484843)

You know, with the Universe and karma and all being how it is, you're in for one hell of an eternity ;))

Alex.

Re:It's a "Bann", not a "Verbot" (1)

EricWright (16803) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484844)

Since you actually speak German, would you mind posting a "real" translation, and not some crazy crap that babelfish spits out? I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it. Thanks.

Eric

Re:THIS IS A NOTIFICATION. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484845)

Is this somehow related to the anti-WTO protests?

Not Germany is banning!!! It's the Catholic churc! (2)

Mika Uka (113394) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484846)

Your answers seem to imply that Windows 2000 will probably banned by Germany. But that is not the case, it's just a report of a German computer magazine (Heise) that the Catholic church is about to ban Windows 2000 for that.

Actually I personally ban Windows at all - from my personal computers. Although I still have to use that OS at work. But that's another story ;-)

Bright Blessings
Mika

Re:It's a "Bann", not a "Verbot" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484847)

No, that is not true. I have once dealed with a big german bank (I am German, too), and before I was allowed to do anything, I had to sign a paper that I am not affiliated to Scientology.

Re:It's a "Bann", not a "Verbot" (1)

Philipp (1858) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484848)

The quote of the lady from the Hamburg office is not in relation to Windows 2000. And come on, let's get real: You don't seriously believe that anyone in the goverment would stop Microsoft from shipping Windows 2000 to Germany, are you?

Re:the Psycho company. (2)

CMBurns (38993) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484849)

I think you refer to the german section

> Die Verbindung zwischen dem Psycho-Konzern und
> dem Softwareriesen ist Sektenbeauftragten der
> großen Kirchen ein Dorn im Auge.

Now the german word for "sparkling wine" is "Sekt", as opposed to german "Sekte" (note the additional "e") which means "sect".

The mentioned "Sektenbeauftragen" are people who observe said sects. In this case, they are employees of the (catholic/protestant) church.

So sorry, no alcohol this time. Just religion (which - as we now - is opium for the masses, not a bad deal, huh?).

CMBurns, german by nature.

too good to be true? (1)

cabalamat (75345) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484850)

Sounds too good to be true. Unfortunately.

OTOH, Germany is funding open source software (GPG).

Re:POST NUMBER NOTIFICATION. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484851)

Who the ##*% is this guy? An M$ lover?

Do we really need this kind of crap? This makes the usual first post dorks seem quite nice.

If this keeps happening, something will need to change!

What's totally awesome? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484852)

Banning the purchase of a product based on the religion of the author? Sounds like the Germans are still up to their old tricks from the 30s, when Jews were the pariahs.

Some people always got to have a demon.

Re:FIRST POST (1)

Mike Monett (48534) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484853)

Agree. I understand the desire to maintain freedom of speech and avoid the appearance of censorship, but this crap is getting out of hand. It is wasting everyone's time and making ./ look foolish.

Why not specify "Fair Use" conditions that automatically assign a special category to "first post" and the use of profanity. And enforce it.

If anyone want to read this junk, they can change their filter limits. The rest of us shouldn't have to put up with it.

Re:I just can't see this happening (1)

lonely (32990) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484854)

Hmmm I have just had the Diskeeper BootDefrag tool lock up my NT Workstation for 31 hours. This on a 3.1gig partition!

Maybe I would prefere it they didn't ship this tool with Window 2000, I don't think my manager will appeaciate me loosing 2 more days!

Re:Enough!!! (0)

Fruan (105302) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484855)

Hmm. I agree.

Also, has anyone else wondered what Ms. Portman's reaction to that... that... drivel would be? *I* find it... disturbing, at best.

Re:POST NUMBER NOTIFICATION. (1)

Wastl (809) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484856)

What about a mechanism to allow only a limited
number of Anonymous posts from a certain IP Address within a Topic? (Similar to the Poll system) Only registered users may post as they wish.

Sebastian

Is the "Natalie Portman" AC from the Co$? (4)

Get Behind the Mule (61986) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484857)

The Co$ has a history of attempting to disrupt online discussions about them, if they are likely to be critical of the "Church". The Usenet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology [alt.religion.scientology] is legendary for this.

So I wonder if this loon with the "Natalie Portman" posts has been hatted to disrupt Slashdot?

Re:Good old Bablefish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484858)

Well, the word "Sekt" in German most often means "Sparkling wine", but in this case it is more correctly translated into "Sect". Quite a difference...

Entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484859)

Ok, I have my popcorn ready.

How long will it take that we hear the usuall Nazi, free speach, first amendment, US rulez, my country is better than yours type of flames by people who for sure haven't read the article?

Ahh, this will be an entertaining slashdot "discussion". Not that it will have contents, but maybe the editors will sooner or later learn to check their news headlines and clipings a little bit better before posting?

What happend to the old journalistic rule: Check, check, and re-check?

Major idiot (0)

LinuxGeek (6139) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484860)

Actually, I think Miss Portman has much better taste and style than to be seen with a person of your obviously expensive psychiatric problems.

If you are a big supporter of Scientology and want to disrupt any competent discussion about this article, then you have a good start towards that goal. But I don't see anyone applauding your methods and I doubt that any serious Scientologists would appreciate your methods.

Have a good day and may God bless you.

Re:Is the "Natalie Portman" AC from the Co$? (1)

EricWright (16803) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484861)

No, probably just some pimply faced teenaged, high school dropout with nothing better to do, and pissed off that Segfault [slashdot.org] doesn't put up with this sort of crap anymore.

Eric

Re:They are serious... (2)

achim (3513) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484862)

First of all the term "Sekte" (religious splinetr group) has as much to do with the term "Sekt" (sparkling wine) as with "Insekt" (insect)...

More important is the fact that this warning was issued by the catholic church and not by state officials. They tend to exaggerate a little when it comes to CoS. I'm not a fan of CoS, but the big churches in germany tend to be quite hypocritical of "their competitors".

Though we have laws that fight antidemocratic groups by cutting on their rights, this is always done cautiously and the dangers that come from the goup have to be quite clear. Based on that I would not expect real consequences on the findings here. The danger of CoS infiltrating the world by means of a disk defragmentization program seem a little too far fetched.

If MS wasn't concerned, nobody had cared at all.

Re:Good old Bablefish (5)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484863)

Ah, actually, the translation isn't all that bad. The original German used the word `Sektenbeauftragten'. `Sekt', as you may or may not know, is a sparkling white wine. But `Sekte' is used for sect. And a `Sektenbeauftragter' is a person assigned with studying sects, not an assignment of sparkling white wine... ;)

Re:POST NUMBER NOTIFICATION. (0)

Wastl (809) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484864)

You simply seem to have too much time. Go doing something useful.

Sebastian

Re:Enough!!! (1)

segmond (34052) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484865)

No more Anonymous cowards will not fix this, this guy could be doing this via an automated script, he can easily register an account with any free website, then with his script continue the stupid act. The best thing is simply to trace him and have him spanked, tho he might enjoy that.

No... (3)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484866)

The whole Natalie Portman thing got moved to Slashdot because Segfault.org stopped allowing people to post messages. I was a frequent Segfault reader, and Natalie Portman was a very common topic over there. The Natalie Portman/Statue/Mae Ling whatever/etc... people just moved over here to Slashdot.

Re:Entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484867)

Already happened: #59 [slashdot.org] ,

Wana share some popcorn?

Re:the Psycho company. (3)

gotan (60103) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484868)

This is because Scientology [cisar.org] is perceived in Germany neither as a church [uni-wuerzburg.de] , nor as a sect, but as an organisation threatening the democratic system in germany. They are observed [cisar.org]
by the german "Verfassungsschutz" and aswered this with a public relations campaign [uni-wuerzburg.de] , even drawing parallels [uni-wuerzburg.de] to the persecution of Jews in the Third Reich.

Good new GPLtrans (3)

Krollekop (86346) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484869)


Maybe it's time to advertise the use of the GPLtrans [slashdot.org] engine instead of Babelfish ...

Unfortunately, their German translation unit is under maintainance for a few days. Too many words [...] and MySQL isn't responding
correctly
, the web site [grmbl.com] says.

I for one hope that GPLtrans will be mentioned next time a non-English article is referenced on Slashdot.

Kk.

Remember. (0)

Dark Fire (14267) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484870)

Whoever is posting those F*** Natalie Portman messages and the like obviously is not capable of intelligent conversation. Whatever their reason for posting on Slashdot, they are certainly not doing a very good job of making their point. Are they (a) Microsoft Zealot (b) Scientologist (c) Person w/ too much free time (d) Orange (e) One of those lint sculptures of cowboy neal that has formed a rudimentary intelligence and is posting to slashdot.

I go for (E).

Shawn

Hey, why not make that the next poll?

Diskeeper (OT) (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484871)

Don't use version 5... I had a similar problem.

You know you're in trouble when they threw out the fairly useful interface in version 4 in favor of hooking into the Microsoft Management Console.
The program also seems to run in real-mode priority regardless of what you tell it. My machine took 20 minutes to repaint the screen so I could shut the d*mn thing down.

User Interface Hell... and it locks up your computer. I never had trouble with DK until version 5 and have just switched back to 4, no useful functionality lost either.



Hrm, an interesting alliance. (1)

Bad Mojo (12210) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484872)

We know Microsoft is rather un-ethical as far as companies go. And Scientology is the ultimate Evil. Is there any doubt that the two are linked? It won't suprise me to see more `alliances' in the future between these two tyrants of vile injustice.


Bad Mojo

Paranoia (2)

Lazy Jones (8403) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484873)

The funny thing about this is, that the german army uses Lotus Notes internally with its weak encryption routines (the NSA has part of the key).

The Scientology issue may sound odd, but as the government has found that they have been trying to infiltrate the state agencies to gain power and thus they have been considered a risk to the country's security, the decision not to use Windows 2000 would just be a side-effect of the politics of avoiding such threats.

Re:Is the "Natalie Portman" AC from the Co$? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484874)

What is your ISP? Please tell.

Re:Good old Bablefish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484875)

But there's a difference between the words "Sekt" and "Sekte(n)". They aren't even homonyms, so Babelfish should come up with the correct translation without having access to the context. Goes to show that the Fish is just plain broken.

According to c't 25 the story is... (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484876)

as follows: Windows 2000 contains Diskeeper, a disk defragmenter. Diskeeper was created by Executive Software. Executive Software's CEO is Craig Jensen, a fairly high-ranking Scientologist (OT VIII and stuff). Scientology has been under investigation as being a danger to Germany under the `Verfassungsschutz'-laws. Partly due to those investigations many companies and governmental agencies in Germany are asking their members, employees and commercial partners to sign documents in which they declare not to have anything to do whatsoever with the teachings and religion of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. Now, Microsoft cannot truthfully sign these contracts anymore, and therefore many companies will at least think twice before doing business with Microsoft. Microsoft's official reaction is that you can simply remove the offending Diskeeper. This, however, seems to be quite somewhat easier said than done.

Re:MS will support NT & 98 for four years (2)

mistered (28404) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484877)

It depends on what you mean by support, though. Of course if you call Microsoft "support" and are willing to pay $195 (here in ca) per incident, they'll "support" you.

Don't try to tell me that they'll "support" 98 and NT by releasing all of their applications for the next four years in 98/NT versions as well.

I've upped my thresholds, so UP YOURS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484878)

yeah

Help, we're under attack by a herd of clams! (1)

BlueUnderwear (73957) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484879)

Hey, this sure looks like an organized attack from the scientologist (a.k.a. clams).

Years ago, they tried the same kind of shenanigans against the alt.religion.scientology board, which is a forum for scientology criticists. First they tried to shut down discussions by forge-cancelling any critical article, and when that didn't work any longer, they tried swamping the board with meaningless rubbish.

Re:Enough!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484880)

I agree, and it probably is done by a script.

Two remedies, the boring one is to look for the "i have post..." bit and ignore any posts,

or the funny one (imho) is to ban any posts talking about natalie portman... ;)))

Re:Enough!!! (0)

Fruan (105302) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484881)

Although I hate to get drawn in by a troll such as yourself, I really must say that such a comment is rather weak, coming from an anonymous poster.

Which really is the whole point. By allowing people to post anonymously, you allow people like yourself to act without fear of the consequences.

Ich bin ein Deutschlander (2)

nhowie (38409) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484882)

Right I'm moving to Germany ;)

Does this mean that GNU/Linux will be banned in the US of A, since Richard Stallman is obviously a communist... ;-)

On a serious note, though, this amounts to state censorship, and should not be tolerated - I'm surprised that this doesn't contravene some EU directive. Perhaps if the defragger had some pop-up instructing the user to join the Church of Scientology, then it might be justifiable. Also, do the German government intend to ban all John Travolta (or any other star related to the Scientologist) films?

If you want to ban W2K, I can think of far better reasons.

Re:Enough!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484883)

Kick, Ban, Name and Shame...

Re:What's totally awesome? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484884)

Scientology isn't a religion, it's a cult, pure and simple. If you're willing to see the light, see here: http://www.xenu.net/ [xenu.net]

Re:POST NUMBER NOTIFICATION. (1)

LinuxGeek (6139) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484885)

You have convinced me that you must be a Scientoligist trying to completely disrupt any discussion here.

You have also convinced me that Scientologists and M$ actually deserve each other.

Operating systems... (1)

Zerah (23517) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484886)

Hmm...
I guess you can see this is another bad
thing that happens when you start bundling
too much stuff together with OS... if Microsoft
had sticked to only making OSen and not bundling
everything into it, they would not have run
into all this hassle...
Internet Explorer, Stacker, this defragging
software... the list goes on.
Seems like the old saying of sticking
to your corebusiness still holds some truth....?



New "tech" banned due to Scientology? (2)

Deosyne (92713) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484887)

Why are products by Scientologists banned by German companies? Does Scientology have ties with neo-Nazi groups or something? Babelfish rather garbled that article, so I coundn't discern the reasoning of that if it was in the article, and I can't find any info about that elsewhere. Anyone know?

Deosyne

Re:Good new GPLtrans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484888)

GPLtrans has German translations disabled...

Re:Hrm, an interesting alliance. (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484889)

I wouldn't be surprised to find Bill Gates evolved from a clam...

Cults... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484890)

Good idea, although I happen to like Windows 2000. If you actually USE it it's damn good (and looks cool, esp with Transperizer...).

This is a legacy I think from the Anti-Nazi laws everybody made Germany pass after WWII. But if it allows somebody to halt the march of such an enigmatic (and law bashing...) cult then they can't be that bad!

While we're on, could we ban Mormon's as well?

CAN SOMEBODY STOP THESE MORONS? (1)

kristallin (73768) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484891)

This is post number 643.972571563*2984

Shut the heck up, people, and comment on what's going on, or at least post nude pics of NP here *grins*
Seriously, if you want to babble on like that, get a life, and get a list, they're free at Onelist [onelist.com] , you know... that way you're not getting on any /. reader's nerves with posting senseless $h*t!
Do good for once!

Adding to Germany's paranoia (1)

Tradewars Addict (105452) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484892)

What happens if members of the Scientology group have contributed to Linux, etc.?

??????

I mean it could happen, couldn't it?

Both Good and Bad .. (2)

arcade (16638) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484893)

When reading this, two things occured to me.

First, i don't like the idea of banning neither religions, free speech or programs made by people / companies that has a certain belief. I have this nagging feeling when I hear about germans banning nazism. Of course, nazism is a Bad Thing(tm), but on the other hand.. it should be *legal* to have certain kind of opinions, and it should be legal to meet other people with the same opinions.

The same thing applies to Scientology. Its a Bad Thing(tm), but on the other hand, I think its bad banning them, and I think its absurd to ban Windows 2000 just because a tiny little program inside it, is made by a company funded by clams. (Clams, slang for "scientologists").


But, when we think about OUR goals, that is, killing of microsoft, scientology, nazism, and so forth .. I think the germans make good use of their laws. And, I guess it really could help SuSE, if windows2000 cannot be sold in Germany. I vision the entire German population using Linux and so forth. Oh, sweet dreams. :-)


But, on the whole, I really think it stinks that they ban win2000, just because of some clams. Even though I don't like clams.. except for dinner.. I think :-)

Re:POST NUMBER NOTIFICATION. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484894)

standard disruptive tendancies of scientologists... why don't you go a f*** L. Ron Hubbard instead and leave /. alone. oh, that's right. you can't. LRH f***ed you over good and proper already...

Can Slashdot stand up to the clams? (2)

cruise (111380) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484895)

Wow, there is surley enough derogatory comments about the clams in here to send them off into a legal frenzy. Can Slashdot stand up to the Scientologist Effect? Will they remove comments once the legal eagles come swarming in? Will they withstand the personal threats to their home and family!? Will they even notice the private dick who has been watching their every move since the article was published?

All this and more....

Re:Seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484896)

Eartlink is owned by sprint, which is/soon will be owned by MCI Worldcom, I believe

Re:Seriously (3)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484897)

Have you ever actually read something about Scientology? They are quite serious -- (the Scientologists are very strong minded and those opposed to them are equally so).

See some of these links to understand some of the views ...

Re:They are serious... (3)

Balazs (18529) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484898)

I'm not mistaken the legal sanctions being imposed against Scientology are pretty much the same as those being used to suppress Nazism


Finally, a CORRECT usage of a Nazi reference.

In German-speaking countries, there is legislation against some kinds of groups that are aimed at undermining the democratic system.

Scientology belongs into this category, as do extreme right and extreme left groups. The only difference is Scientology's ability to buy ads in US newspapers signed by Hollywood "stars" to lie about "a new Holocaust" in Germany.

Re:Seriously -- No doubt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484899)

If you think this is a joke you have never had to live near these freaks. I think the German government has good cause. Frankly they'd be better off with the Nazis than the Scientologists.

Check out this site (which they have been trying to shutdown for a long time).

http://www.xenu.net/

You really have got to wonder about a cult that can scare the IRS into submission.

What a bunch of kooks!

Re:Ich bin ein Deutschlander (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484900)

The Babelfish translation translates "Bann" wrong. It does not mean especially in this context that the german government forbids W2K to be selled in Germany, it only means that the german catholic church or some parts of the german government will not use W2K because of this relation to something coming from scientology. In germany most officials see scientology more as criminal organization using mafia methods.

Tranlation (3)

SL2C (82809) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484901)

Windows 2000 in danger of being banned

A component of Windows 2000 was made by a scientology company. The defragmentation program "Diskeeper" is scheduled to be shipped in February as a standard part of the NT successor.
It is being developed by the firm "Executive Software" of the confessing [?] scientologist Craig Jensen, as has been reported in c't issue 25/99. The connection between the psycho trust and the software giant is a thorn in the side of the large churches.

"This will not be interesting to the Catholic Church alone, but also to the states, the Verfassungsschutz [one branch of the secret service] as well as the German industry", Harald Baer, catholic commissary for sects and wold outlook issues [Weltanschauung issues], commented to the German press agency (dpa). According to Ursula Caberta, leader of the Scientology working group of the Hamburg interior authority, Executive Software is one of the leading businesses in the Scientology organization WISE (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises). [She says] WISE is "the decisive branch of Scientology in order to infiltrate and spy on the economy". In the states of Bavaria and Hamburg, there have been resolutions according to which authorities, in particular in the area of information technology, are not allowed to buy services from scientology businesses. (em)
(cp/c't)

The Church (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484902)

I do believe members of the church of scientology has been part of the open coding process sorrounding Linux in particular and several of the applications it can run too. I guess german must ban every Linux distribution too then. I wander what the germans will be running on those computers. BE OS :)

L Ron Hubbard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484903)

The Germans take the whole ani-cult thing (which many view scientology as) real seriously since WWII. They have several anti-totalitarian clauses in their constitution which is supposed to keep someone like Hitler (L. Ron Hubbard) from gaining any type of political power. Anyone affiliated with scientology will be black listed, I'm not kidding.

That explains it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484904)

I always had the gut feeling that RedHat is evil. Thank god I didn't buy their crappy product!

Re:Seriously -- No doubt! (1)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484905)

Lots of people got beef with scientology. And vice versa as well...

Check out this link: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/

This page belongs to a good friend of mine, and she's been crusading against scientology for quite a while now. Not to mention that Scientology is trying to shut this down as well.

I this even M$'s fault this time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484906)

This is odd- Germany is going to ban Win2000 because of a underlaying application? I am very much not a M$ advocate but this does not sound fair.

Re:MS will support NT & 98 for four years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484907)

Four years? Is that it? I have an old IBM typewriter that is older then Sputnik. They still provided spare parts last time I cared to check. Now that's support-)

Re:I this even M$'s fault this time? (0)

shitface (121619) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484908)

Who cares- no one likes M$

Many state agencies and companies have policies th (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484909)

> WTF? I thought the Germans had learned their lesson on laws that put down particular religions.

Re:The More the Merrier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484910)

I wouldn't mind if Microsoft died a slow and painful death. Of course I'd still be using my Mac, not Linux.

bans distro. (2)

Phill Hugo (22705) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484911)

Choas in the street! has BANNED distribution. Slashdot erupts with rasied voises calling for immediate revokation of the ruling and flames the entire nation.

said "this is a direct attack on the freedom of the people to choose what they wish, we should fight this at all costs".

When contains GNU/Linux, this would be the story. The Spokeman would no doubt be Eric, Bruce or Richard and we'd all be telling each other to hold back the mindless mail bombings to whoever's government is offending.

But this times its Microsoft, so it doesn't matter. Good on !

Surely there is something wrong here. Yes, I know its MS. Yes, I know its scientology but this a stupid reason to suggest not using something, let alone banning it.

We'd not let anyone suggest not using GNU/Linux just because Linus and the TLA crew[*] converted to some minority, much less becuase line 5329 of Perl was bug fixed by a member.

Phill

* ESR, RMS, ETC.

About using the right means to fight wrong (1)

Camelot (17116) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484912)

I hate doing this, but - again - I find that I have to defend Microsoft. I would like nothing better than see Microsoft locked up in chains and the key thrown away. But, it has to be for the right reasons.

ESR has it right, even though I don't totally with him - Microsoft should be taken down by natural forces (ie. market). Let's ignore the fact (ie. MHO) that it wouldn't be possible without the intervention of the DOJ for now, since it's not really relevant.

Windows 2000 banned in Germany ? Fine with me. Doing it because of scientology is simply clouding the issue - the only good reason to do it would be because Microsoft and its products are bad for your health. Any other reason will allow Microsoft to be victimized and gain symphaty.

Like I said, I don't like to be on the same side with Microsoft, but for the sake of doing the right thing, I'll do it.

Translation (1)

gotan (60103) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484913)

Windows 2000 threatened to be banned

A component of Windows 2000 comes from a scientology-company. The defragmentation program "Diskeeper" is intended to be marketed as an integral part of the NT-successor. It was developed by Executive Software, a company of the confessing Scientologist Craig Jensen. The connection from the Pseudo-company [Scientology] to Microsoft bothers representatives of the big Churches concerned with sects.

"Apart from the catholic Church also all German states, the office responsible for defending the constitution, and the german industy, will take an interest in this." comments Harald Baer, catholic representative for sects [...]. According to Ursula Caberta, head of the "workgroup scientology" of Hamburgs interior office, Executive Software belongs to the leading businesses of the WISE (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) Scientology organisation: "WISE is the main branch of Scientology for undermining and spying out the economy." In the german states Bayern and Hamburg resulitions exist, saying that official authorities may not buy services from Scientology-companies, especially in the Information Technology sector.

Re:CAN SOMEBODY STOP THESE MORONS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484914)

When people pull this crap, there IP should be posted. It was this kind of junk that ruined segfault for me to the extent that I can no longer go there even now that write ins are gone. Excuse any bad grammar, I just woke up.

Re:Ich bin ein Deutschlander (1)

EJB (9167) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484915)

I think the Germans consider scientology a criminal organization. I don't think banning products from criminal organizations is something people would object to.
Wether scientology is should be labeled as a criminal organization is the whole point, but it is another discussion.

A quick and dirty translation (2)

Ignatius (6850) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484916)

Windows 2000 threatened by Bann

A component of Windows 2000 comes from a Scientology company. The defragmentation software "Diskeeper" is to be shipped in February as a fixed component of the NT successor. It is developed by the company "Executive software" of the admitting Scientology member Craig Jensen, as c't reported in the issue 25/99. The connection between the psycho company and the software giant is a thorn in the eye of large church sect-observers.

"That will not only interest the catholic church, but also all provices, the Verfassungsschutz [German equivalent to the FBI], and the German industry" comments Harald Baer, catholic official for sects and Weltanschauung-questions, to the german press agency dpa. Accoring to Ursula Caberta, head of the Scientology working-group of the Hamburg office for internal affairs, "Executive Software" is among the leading companies of the Scientology-organisation WISE (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises).
WISE is the "crucial lever of Scientology to infiltrate and spy the economy". The states of Bavaria and Hamburg have existing resolutions which forbid offices the aquisition of services form Scientology-companies, esp. in the field of information technology.

They won't release security fixes (2)

divec (48748) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484917)

> MS will support NT & 98 for four years
> after they stop shipping. It is in their
> standard support agreement.

Well since two years ago, it has not been possible to get a copy of Win 3.1 which has had all known security holes patched, and Win 3.1 stopped shipping only two years before that. I think "not fixing root exploits" is not the same as "supporting".

Didn't MS claim to have lost some of the Win 3.x source code last year? That was less than four years after they stopped shipping it. How they're supposed to "support" a product to which they don't even have the source code, I don't know.

Re:They are serious... (1)

swb (14022) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484918)

From what I understand, once the German Supreme Court has ruled that the Scientology folks are a threat to democracy, that pretty much leaves it up to the constitutional police to enforce their rulings. The constitutional police have nearly unlimited powers to enforce the court's rulings, since they only report to the court.

Re:Is the "Natalie Portman" AC from the Co$? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1484919)

Microsoft!

-cow

Translation of German news text (5)

harmonica (29841) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484920)

Everything in [] are my comments to explain things. Translating this shows me how much a good translator is worth! ;-)
--
Windows 2000 threatened by ban

One component of the Windows 2000 software is coming from a Scientology enterprise. The defragmentation program "Diskeeper" is going to be released in February as integral part of the
NT successor. It was developed by Executive Software, an enterprise belonging to the confessing scientologist Craig Jensen, as C't magazine reports in issue 25/99. The connection
between Scientology and the software giant is not liked by the Sektenbeauftragter (person responsible to review the activities of sects) of the large churches.

"This is going to interest not only the Catholic church but also the Bundesländer (states ), the Verfassungsschutz (government institution that supervises activities that are against the German constitution) and the German industry", comments
Harald Baer, Catholic representative for sects and philosophy of life [that's a straight translation] in response to DPA [a news agency].

According to Ursula Caberta, who leads the study group Scientology of Hamburg's Innenbehoerde [an institution of the City of Hamburg], Executive Software belongs to the leading enterprises of the Scientology organization WISE (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises). WISE, according to Caberta, "is the crucial arm of Scientology to infiltrate and spy on trade and industry". In Bayern and Hamburg [German states, Hamburg is a city state] there are laws that forbid public institutions, especially on the information technology sector, to buy services from Scientology enterprises.

CO$ Attack on /. not working (3)

trance9 (10504) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484921)

Hah. I didn't even notice all the Natalie Portman spam because I always read with at least a minimal level of filtering based on score.

That must drive the CO$ weenies crazy. I remember when they successfully ruined alt.religion.scientology by spamming the group with so many messages that any real discussion was lost.

Scientology is an evil organization that is willing to go to any lengths to further its greedy interests. I'm not talking about protesting, or organizing church dinners here--death threats against "enemy" newspaper reporters, collecting damaging information about their own members for use as blackmail in the event that they testify against the cult, attempting to shut down, harass, and bankrupt critics... the list goes on.

I don't blame the German govt. for not wanting to run any software written by Scientology. Given their thug like behavior in every other area, why would you trust their code? They probably did build some backdoors into it.

[Country] bans [Vendor's] [OS] distro. (1)

Phill Hugo (22705) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484922)

Choas in the street! [Country] has BANNED [Vendor's] [OS] distribution. Slashdot erupts with rasied voises calling for immediate revokation of the ruling and flames the entire nation.

[Spokesman] said "this is a direct attack on the freedom of the people to choose what they wish, we should fight this at all costs".

When [OS] contains GNU/Linux, this would be the story. The Spokeman would no doubt be Eric, Bruce or Richard and we'd all be telling each other to hold back the mindless mail bombings to whoever's government is offending.

But this times its Microsoft, so it doesn't matter. Good on [Country]!

Surely there is something wrong here. Yes, I know its MS. Yes, I know its scientology but this a stupid reason to suggest not using something, let alone banning it.

We'd not let anyone suggest not using GNU/Linux just because Linus and the TLA crew[*] converted to some minority, much less becuase line 5329 of Perl was bug fixed by a [cult minority of the week] member.

Phill

* ESR, RMS, ETC.

Re:Is the "Natalie Portman" AC from the Co$? (1)

HR (38332) | more than 14 years ago | (#1484923)

Strictly speaking, it's not futile to have assholes and their material removed from a forum, and, with any luck, from their ISPs.

The worst offenders are always a small minority of users. Vandals are usually punk kids with a difficult home life or psychologically aberrant adults, neither of which exist in large enough quantities to matter. If you can keep shutting them down from their ISPs, only the truly obsessed wackos will continue to find new ISPs to abuse. The more noise you can get from these freaks, the easier it is to get a lock on the individual doing it. Then targets of abuse have more options to pursue.
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