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Pirate Bay Launches Uncensored Image Hosting

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the can't-imagine-what-will-get-uploaded dept.

Censorship 461

Spamicles writes "The guys over at the Pirate Bay have launched a new, censorship-free image hosting website called BayImg. Users of the new service don't have to sign-up in order to upload images. However, they can assign a 'removal code' to uploaded images, in case they want to delete the files after a while, and tags to categorize images. BayImg currently supports 100+ file formats, and supports uploading Zip and Rar archives. The maximum file size of uploads is 100MB. The article also discusses TPB's plans for launching a video streaming service that will potentially compete with YouTube."

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461 comments

Bob Goatse must be thrilled (5, Funny)

Deekin_Scalesinger (755062) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598601)

To be immortalized thusly..

well... (5, Insightful)

wpegden (931091) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598627)

People are going to like them a whole lot less if this turns into a big child porn site.

Re:well... (5, Informative)

swingkid (3585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598689)

But since you can't just browse the images, the only people who would see the child porn are child porn enthusiasts, and the feds who investigate them. So it's unlikely that you'd hear about it, unless you were into that stuff. In which case, ew, you perv...

Re:well... (3, Interesting)

swingkid (3585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598737)

It seems they have tagging for images, so I guess I'm wrong about browsing. My bad.

Re:well... (4, Informative)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598839)

no but they do state right at the front page

"As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here"

so sence child porn is illigal it will be taken down if noticed

Re:well... (5, Insightful)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598961)

Depends.

In England 17 is legal. The legal age varies a lot. In some countries it is higher- in some countries it is lower.

The model's apparent age varies a lot too. How can you trust what looks like a 14 year old isn't really an under developed or made up 18 year old?

And it just needs to be enough to get them into court so they have to spend money defending themselves. Heck, in some cases you can arrest them and force them to post bail and can hold them for months if they can't post bail.

Re:well... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599281)

In England 17 is legal.

actually its 16

Re:well... (3, Insightful)

cromar (1103585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598691)

It's sad that the harbors of Freedom are sent underground like this. I would rather be able to see the filth of society clearly than have it skulk by unnoticed, whatever the forum.

Re:well... (4, Informative)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599003)

I would rather be able to see the filth of society clearly

Take a nice, hard look. [7chan.org] (You'll want the "Random" board. Totally NSFW.)

As far as I can tell, 7chan seems to be made up of people who got banned from 4chan, which in itself is remarkable, since 4chan's moderation is...minimal...at best.

Re:well... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599109)

I got perma-banned from 4chan for posting a perfectly legal but under-18 pic in /s/. So, it does happen. It just depends on the moderator's moods, I guess. :)

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599179)

nonce

Re:well... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599227)

You broke rules 1, 2 and 874194872913! Party van just arrived at your driveway.

Re:well... (4, Informative)

Liselle (684663) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598723)

From the damned front page of the site:

bayimg.com is a place where you can host all your images. We do not censor them. We believe in freedom of speech, it's of utter importance to us. As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here, but we reserve the right to remove images due to technical reasons though.
Did I miss the memo where child porn became legal in Sweden?

Re:well... (5, Insightful)

Goaway (82658) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598887)

Oh, so by "uncensored" they meant "just about as censored as always"?

Well, I guess they might survive a little longer, then.

Re:well... (5, Insightful)

AdmiralWeirdbeard (832807) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599191)

Restricting images for legality is different than censoship in the common parlance. censored for appropriateness of content, or type of image, or anything else that the various previously existing hosting site censor for is an invasive filtering that goes a level above simply saying, "hey please dont upload anything illegal." And given what the pirate bay does, i think we can safely assume that they're concerned less with the minutae of libelous or offensive images than not going to jail as part of a kiddie-porn ring.
saying "we're going to censor your images so we dont go to jail" is totally ok in a way that saying "we're going to censor your images for things we dont like" is not.

Re:well... (5, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599287)

Yes but that kinda defeats the point.

As another poster mentioned would this mean much if "The Chinese Pirate Bay" opened it's "uncensored" and couldn't show a picture of the Taiwanese flag?

Or if "The Iranian Pirate Bay" opened the "uncensored" site that couldn't show a boob?

Uncensored generally means unrestricted. If you're doing it as a way of promoting freedom from an oppressive government, then saying "We're only gonna leave uncensored what the government will let us." doesn't really do much. I could have done that without the help of a new and nifty website.

Re:well... (0)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599333)

Right. Yeah, you go find your child porn upload site and we'll just leave you to it.

Re:well... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599317)

By "uncensored", they mean "we don't care if it's copyrighted by someone else", of course. It's The Pirate Bay, not hard to figure this one out.

Re:well... (4, Insightful)

computational super (740265) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598925)

As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here

Isn't that, er, the definition of censorship? Censorship = Banned by such-and-such government, ergo illegal? By this logic, over-the-air radio and television is "censorship free", even in China, since they're broadcasting anything they want as long as it's legal.

Re:well... (1)

Liselle (684663) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599117)

Yep. Uncensored is a misnomer, but the salient point is that it's unlikely this place will have any more child porn problems than other image-hosting sites do, because they will still presumably be enforcing legality.

Re:well... (1)

b.thompson (542104) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599175)

That is one way censorship abounds, but it could also be a radio station choosing not to play a certain song because it does like what one line in the song implies. There was not any bad language or crude remarks in the song, but it made an indirect mention about abortion, so some stations would not play it. That sounds like censorship to me. (btw, the song was by Tim Mcgraw, but I can't remember the title right now).

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599207)

Not that I think the laws are fair or free of censorship, but... some (most) places in the world have a remarkable difference between what's legal and what doesn't just get stopped by jackbooted thugs. For that matter, the expression of ideas in the US is far more limited than the (already restrictive) laws on the subject would have you believe.

I was once arrested for asking what law I was breaking. It turns out I wasn't actually breaking a law. I was standing in the street during a public demonstration which *had a permit* that extended several hours after the streets were cleared. The permit thing is interesting, since as far as the law is concerned no such permit is even necessary. Since I'm white and loud I fought the charges against me ("pedestrian interference") and won (on the basis of that permit, not on the basis of the law that makes that permit irrelevant); but the fact of the matter is that people with guns abridged my freedom of speech, assembly, expression and movement for several hours just on the basis that they could. Laws be damned.

And if I were someone more easily dismissed or silenced, those several hours could have become days, weeks or who knows?

Re:well... (4, Interesting)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599121)

Did I miss the memo where child porn became legal in Sweden?

I know nothing about Swedish law, but it's entirely possible that they define both "child" and "pornography" differently than in the U.S., creating a space where something is legal if it's on a Swedish webserver, but not if it's in one in the U.S. (Actually, I think there are a number of respected, non-pornographic films that contain nudity that fall into this area.)

Anyway, if they want to avoid getting constantly raided by the local gendarmes, they should probably create some sort of "Foreigner's Guide to Swedish Obscenity Law" so that people can at least have a shot at knowing what's illegal before they upload it.

In particular, aside from pornography which is the obvious one, I wonder about extreme animal cruelty (there is some downright disgusting stuff out there, and to be honest I find it more offensive than most of the run-of-the-mill CP). I kinda hope the Swedes make that illegal, since I think its presence does encourage its creation -- some dickhead sees another dickhead gain some sort of minor notoriety online by setting a kitten on fire and decides to emulate them. Since animals are more easily available and even more vulnerable than children, and the disincentives against hurting them are less, it doesn't take much.

My thoughts exactly (1, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598865)

Don't give the law a legitimate reason to show up on your doorstep, TPB! Drop this immediately. SERIOUSLY bad idea.

If you do this, it'll all be over in a day or two. Cop finds TPB image site, uploads kiddie porn from free and basically untraceable wifi spot near coffee shop, calls other branch of law enforcement about an "anonymous" complaint. Cops show up that day.

It'll be the end of you guys if you pursue this.

Pr0n, or Copyright Violation Site? (1)

billstewart (78916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599049)

Youtube doesn't just censor pr0n that people complain about - they also censor copyright violation. It's possible that Pirate Bay is doing this as a pr0n site, but my guess given their history is that their intention is more about giving people a place to post movie clips and other material that violates various locations' copyright rules. (Of course, some of that's pirated pr0n movies as well...)


They're currently Slashdotted, so I can't see their site's comments about itself.

Re:well... (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599241)

No, just the world's largest collection of GOATSE images.

When people say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598637)

When people say that, if the censorship, corporate greed and general obstruction of the free flow of information continues, they will build their own new net, they MEAN IT.

Wonder what country it's in? (3, Funny)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598641)

I can't see this thing both:
1) Holding true to the principles of no censorship whatsoever.
2) Not being immediately shut down when some troll posts necro-pedo-beastility images as part of some SA vs. Fark vs. 4chan contest to find the most simultaneously illegal and offense image to post.

Re:Wonder what country it's in? (2, Informative)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598727)

Looks like its hosted in Sweden and the domain is registered to a Swedish address via a German registrar.

Not that it really matters. (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598851)

I can't think of a country that doesn't have some law SOME where that will be broken in the commission of running a completely censorship-free site. Even if it wasn't hosted in Sweden, Swedish law was going to apply to them since the company is based out of Sweden.

I think this will be an interested exercise in which happens faster.
1) The Pirate Bay compromises their morals.
2) Law enforcement shuts down The Pirate Bay on charges that will stick.

Honestly, I really expect Swedish law enforcement -- which has tried raiding them once before -- to just be salivating at the chance to shut this down and arrest the owners as soon as some child porn gets posted. I wouldn't be surprised if they had someone outside of legal liability for entrapment post it for them. I'm sure the FBI would be willing to spare some for the cause.

Easy (3, Interesting)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598789)

Publish the date, time and ip address of every upload. No censorship.
 

Re:Easy (2, Insightful)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598917)

I just posted [slashdot.org] that they should actually try to go out of their way to make sure they're not logging such information, in order to protect their users. No anonymity means many people will still engage in self-censorship, not publishing something for fear of the consequences it could entail. But from a liability standpoint, your idea is probably better. Considering the existence of things like Tor, open proxies and the like, anyone who isn't absolutely clueless could still use the service and be relatively safe from being surveilled.

TOR (4, Insightful)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598945)

Publish the date, time and ip address of every upload. No censorship.

Post it via TOR or some anonymizer. Unless they ban all IP associated with such tools (which even sites under dedicated troll assault like 4chan can't do), that's no guarantee for the hardcore.

Still, it's an idea that I find amusing for deterring the casual bad actor.

Re:TOR (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599205)

If I remember rightly, you cannot (easily) post to slash from a proxy server.

When you submit a comment don't they ping the regular proxy ports on your computer and refuse the comment if discovered?

Re:Wonder what country it's in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599063)

necro-pedo-beastiality? Dead Puppies?! GADZ!

Re:Wonder what country it's in? (1)

wile_e_wonka (934864) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599131)

From the main page [bayimg.com] :

As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here

It appears to me that they plan to censor to some degree (I'm not sure what they consider "illegal").

Sounds like a full-time job to me. (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599255)

There are imageboard sites out there with essentially a full-time troll culture -- often dedicated to invading other sites -- that will do their dead-level best to make this impractical. I don't think The Pirate Bay has really considered just how much effort monitoring a self-touting, "censorship free" site that allows porn is going to be.

They're pretty much doomed. It'll be an interested self-implosion to watch.

Re:Wonder what country it's in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599273)

SA certainly does not post any kind of "necro-pedo-beastility images". I doubt Fark does, either. I can't speak for 4Chan.....

What, then, of Kiddie Porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598647)

"... censorship-free image hosting website ..."

Until Child Porn shows up on it.

Even Sweden's got laws about child porn.

Re:What, then, of Kiddie Porn? (1)

SoulRider (148285) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599105)

They have a disclaimer on their site that says the pictures uploaded need to be legal by Swedish law.

Censorship is evil. Proof inside! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598657)

Why would anyone want to remove http://bayimg.com/hApHPAAao [bayimg.com] ?

Re:Censorship is evil. Proof inside! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599139)

And there was me, thinking it would be goats.cz

NO COPYRIGHT. NO LICENSE. (0)

endianx (1006895) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598661)

At the bottom of the page it says "NO COPYRIGHT. NO LICENSE.". Does that mean I can use these pictures for whatever I want? Like if I wanted to download one and post it on my web page or something, is that legal?

Re:NO COPYRIGHT. NO LICENSE. (1)

saibot834 (1061528) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598753)

No it is not. Just because you got some copyrighted stuff from someone who doesn't care about copyright, you are not allowed to disobey copyright yourself. So if you live in such a country as Sweden like the pirate bay does, you can use those images. In the U.S. and most European countries you are not allowed to.

Re:NO COPYRIGHT. NO LICENSE. (1)

Mr Jazzizle (896331) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599235)

I don't think that's how it works. If a submitter posts an image on a website that, as part of the TOS, says you don't have the copyright anymore, the submitter practically waives his copyright. So all images on the website would be public domain. Other websites say 'by uploading the image, you still keep all your copyrights and ownership of the images, we're just hosting them', I imagine TPB says 'No, no copyright for you. Public Domain' or something of the sort. But I could be wrong, I haven't read TPB's TOS.

Re:NO COPYRIGHT. NO LICENSE. (1)

BenSchuarmer (922752) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599071)

I'd guess that Pirate Bay or the person who put it there won't come after you if you do that.
On the other hand, if the original image had a copyright, then the copyright holder could come after you.

I wish I could like this... (0, Troll)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598663)

But knowing that the TPB has opened with it being a haven for child pornography in mind, I can't say I'm pleased. I realize they believe in freedom of expression, but some things just don't need a venue, and child pornography is one of them.

For reference for those of you who have no idea what I'm talking about. [zeropaid.com]

Re:I wish I could like this... (3, Insightful)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598785)

Yeah I had a semi-grudging respect for what they were trying to do at first, and then I saw that. I still think they're going bass ackwards about it though. They take the fight to make a created work free. One thing I do not get about this whole thing is their version of making it free is take someones hard work, and let anyone who wants it get it without collecting any monetary reward for the person who did the work.

This image site can do the same thing (ignoring the pedo stuff). Someone could go to the store, buy a Playboy Mag, scan in every image and post it to the site and everyone else could download the pics for free if they new the URL and of they go. So all the money playboy paid the model, the photography crew, the editors, the printers, poof.

Contrary to some of the internet ho's out there who like their pictures posted for free some people like monetary compensation for their investment/grace of good luck genes and deserve to be rewarded for it. How is supporting hosting of their images for no monetary fee 'free speech'

If they were hosting Neo-Nazi's, Black Panther, Anti-semtic, Islamic Jihadist stuff, sure ok that's free speech. But taking someones work and providing it for free? That's what copyright was intended for and it's not free speech, it's theft of services or whatever is the new legal mumbo jumbo for saying stealing money from someone who worked to earn it.

Re:I wish I could like this... (3, Insightful)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598907)

The point is that they don't judge what it the content is. The fact that people use The Pirate Bay to post child porn instead of blank panther stuff is a measure of how awful society has become, not a measure of TBP's intentions.

Re:I wish I could like this... (1)

Scarblac (122480) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598997)

On one hand, I agree with your sentiment.

On the other - the cat is out of the bag. We have an Internet, sharing of any digital content is unstoppable, and anybody relying on feeble copyright law is living in the past. Time to find a new line of business, people are bound to spend their money on something else now.

Re:I wish I could like this... (1)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599077)

their version of making it free is take someones hard work, and let anyone who wants it get it without collecting any monetary reward for the person who did the work.
You've had too much of the MAFIAA propaganda.

The entire foundation of our culture was created without the existence of copyright. All your Aristotle, Homer, Mozart, da Vinci. There's no copyright on the paintings in the pyramids nor on the bible.

Re:I wish I could like this... (1)

blueskies (525815) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599145)

Wow, that is amazing when you put it like that! Three people over thousands of years created some works without copyright. Too bad it took thousands of years for human history to really start creating mass quantities of intangible property.

it's really a disengenous argument.

Re:I wish I could like this... (2, Insightful)

vivaoporto (1064484) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599111)

Someone could go to the store, buy a Playboy Mag, scan in every image and post it to the site and everyone else could download the pics for free if they new the URL and of they go. So all the money playboy paid the model, the photography crew, the editors, the printers, poof. (...) How is supporting hosting of their images for no monetary fee 'free speech'
That is a nice Straw Man [wikipedia.org] you have there. You are confusing availability of technological resource with intention. Libraries have photocopiers and, nowadays, CD burners. Anyone can enter, scan a copyrighted book, copy a copyrighted CD or DVD, whatever they want. Do that implies that the library is supporting copyright infringement?

The same stands for barely the entire Internet. Copyrighted text never flow so fast around multiple sources, most of the times, without the explicit consent of the copyright owner. Everytime someone posts the entire content of an article here on Slashdot for our commodity (lazy slashdotters don't like to RTFA), it is copyright infringement too. That doesn't mean that Slashdot is supporting copyright infringement either.

The world has changed, and the availability of tools should not and will not be restricted just because some people will misuse those tools.

Re:I wish I could like this... (3, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599113)

Yeah I had a semi-grudging respect for what they were trying to do...One thing I do not get about this whole thing is their version of making it free is take someones hard work, and let anyone who wants it get it without collecting any monetary reward for the person who did the work.

I don't understand your confusion -- catering to a bunch of greedy, selfish leeches *is* what they're trying to do.

Re:I wish I could like this... (3, Insightful)

Disfnord (1077111) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598987)

So, in other words, people should be free to say what ever they like, as long as you agree with it. Brilliant.

Re:I wish I could like this... (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599115)

Taking advantage of small children has nothing to do with being able to say what you want. I tell you what, I'll murder you, and your entire extended family, and we'll call it even on the grounds of freedom of speech. Deal?

Re:I wish I could like this... (1)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599195)

If you want to set up a website advocating the legalization of murdering people who disagree with you, and their extended families, and their little dog too, ...go right ahead. I'd defend its right to exist, too.

Re:I wish I could like this... (2, Insightful)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599143)

If you're going to have freedom of expression, you're going to have things you don't like. Even things you really don't like, and things even 99% of the people out there don't like, too. And the fact that you don't think it needs a venue, because you obviously disagree with it, is exactly why it does need a venue.

Also, that article there isn't about TBP hosting a child pornography site, it's about them hosting a "pro-pedophile activism [wikipedia.org] " site -- in other words, a site expressing political and social viewpoints. Are you saying such people and their viewpoints should be censored?

Re:I wish I could like this... (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599357)

Since their true motivation is freedom of speech, you should have said, "But knowing that the TPB has opened with it being a haven for X in mind, where X is an element of the set of everything someone finds to be objectionable..." Even the article you linked to doesn't indicate that TPB are fans of child pron, but simply that they believe that it's not their place to censor other people's content.

Finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598683)

Thank god, I've been waiting for a viable, uncensored option to combat Youtube

Image files 100MB? (1)

saibot834 (1061528) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598687)

Image files with 100MB? Seriously? That seems quite large, even for packing some images in one archive.

Re:Image files 100MB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598771)

Tell that to my necropedobeast.rar.

Re:Image files 100MB? (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598773)

hello 32-bit color bitmaps!

Re:Image files 100MB? (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598779)

not really.. my DSLR camera pumps out 3.5-4mb jpegs it can shoot 3 1/2 frames a second.. 100mb isn't that much at all..

although they let you do 100 mb through http form submit (that is kinda crazy)

Re:Image files 100MB? (3, Funny)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598899)

From the bayimg site:

Max file upload size is 100MB. If you're crazy and upload that much, then you should consider getting friends.

Hmmm, perhaps they know more about their target demographics that it might seem at first...

Re:Image files 100MB? (4, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599103)

Image files with 100MB? Seriously? That seems quite large, even for packing some images in one archive.

But quite handy for steganography, which is probably what this is really for.

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598707)

So i can post a rar of all the wonderful H dojins and share them 3

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598749)

Am I going to start seeing links to BAYimg when people demand sauce now? We already have rs and mu, plus rapidsearch and those have larger sizes than 100MB.

Sealand (0, Offtopic)

another_fanboy (987962) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598709)

Is the PirateBay still trying to create their own nation?

oh, cool (2, Funny)

superwiz (655733) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598711)

more free porn

I'm yearning for the video service from them (3, Funny)

vivaoporto (1064484) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598713)

Just to upload this video [youtube.com] .

Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free .. You are a Pirate!!!!

Here we go! (-1, Troll)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598739)

This was sooooo obvious [bayimg.com] ...

Re:Here we go! (1)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598923)

Every 2nd comment says that. But have you actually looked at the site? As of now, "humour" is way bigger than "sex" or any sex-related word in the tag cloud.

We may yet be surprised.

Legitimate Usage (1, Insightful)

Silentknyght (1042778) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598743)

So, is there actually a legitimate usage for such a site? I wasn't under the impression that (digital) images were hard to copy, for example, or were encumbered with DRM, for example, or were particularly difficult to procure through legal means when they're out of production in print, for example.


As others have pointed out, the first things that come to my mind are the fact that this will allow--at least, on the premise--people to upload and distribute pornography that is already illegal most everywhere (i.e. kiddie porn). It may also become a haven for other distasteful images that, paradoxically, no one really wants to see but that aren't necesarily illegal. Which still begs the question, is there actually a legimiate usage for such a site?

As Legitimate as PirateBay...? (4, Interesting)

Alaren (682568) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598871)

It is my understanding from the site that this won't be for pedophilia, as they mention the images have to be "legal."

So my first thought was, this could be a place for images like the banned Mohammad cartoons or other politically/racially inflammatory images that countries like to pull down... as well as potentially "infringing" images like the Penny Arcade [slashdot.org] comic a while back.

But then, if an image is infringing on someone's copyright, doesn't the civil law come into play? And since they're hosting this stuff, they don't have the same legal protection that they have for torrents in Sweden (i.e. they have infringing material on their server, while ThePirateBay site only hosts trackers which are not technically infringing, only facilitating infringement). They're bright fellows and I'm sure they know what they're doing, but I admit I can't figure it out.

At any rate, yeah, there are good legitimate uses for this sort of thing, censorship is generally a bad idea, but a quick browse through the tags suggests that this sort of service is already, well, all over the internet.

Re:As Legitimate as PirateBay...? (1)

Tom (822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599147)

But then, if an image is infringing on someone's copyright, doesn't the civil law come into play?
Yes, but...

I think the wording is the give-away. As long as the image is legal. A copyrighted picture is a perfectly legal image. It might not be legal to host it without the copyright holder's consent, but the image itself is perfectly legal. Very few images are illegal all by themselves. Child porn is about the only thing I can think about right now.

The Pirate Bay Vs Google Motto Battle next? (2, Insightful)

Seiruu (808321) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598795)

"Do Be Evil" vs "Don't Be Evil"

Tracking users? (1, Insightful)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598807)

This is good, but if they really want to make it safe for users they should:

  • host it over HTTPS to avoid the possibility of third-party snooping on what people are uploading and downloading;
  • make absolutely sure their hosting server isn't retaining logs of IP addresses and timestamps;
  • and for reliability, have some sort of back-up hosting ready to go if they get shut down where it's now hosted (Sweden), and maybe even a few extra domain names on standby if their registrar decides to bow to pressure to get it cut off like GoDaddy does [nodaddy.com] .

Otherwise this is, as numerous people have pointed out, going to get shut down shortly after people start screaming "kiddie porn!".

Re:Tracking users? (1)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598901)

Well, they're not really trying to make a 'safe' upload site for users--just an uncensored one.
They're not promising the integrity of the pictures, in the event of a failure. They're not promising you won't be held responsible by third parties for what you've uploaded. They're promising that they won't remove your pictures based on content, within the confines of the law. That's all. No more, no less.

Re:Tracking users? (1)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598969)

The problem there is that if people know they can get outed for what they uploaded, a lot of people might hesitate to upload media that they otherwise wouldn't. YouTube has been used to expose videos of police brutality before, some of which have been taken down on pretty flimsy excuses. Knowing that the host is not going to take it down is one encouragement. Knowing they also can't even find out who put it there, easily, would be even moreso.

only a matter of time (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598821)

before it gets overwhelmed by porn ads.... just took a look at it. it already happened.

more power to them. (0)

lordvalrole (886029) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598831)

I am glad some people stand up for noncensorship. It seems like everyday I read that some censorship is happening in every single country (and yes even America...we aren't the home of the free). It really comes down to an information war between the elite people who run countries and the public who want to know more and have more. Because these elite people are in cushy positions they don't have to do much or learn much. So as soon as you have people becoming more intelligent their job is at stake. They have lots of money. With money comes power. The question is how power is being used. Is it being used to control the masses (me thinks yes) but if more people do what what Pirate Bay is doing. Information gets out and that is always good.

Anyways, more power to these guys.

it's not if, but when (0)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598841)

it's not if, but when someone uploads some child porn

and when they do so, you can expect Pirate Bay to go from bastion of freedom from corporate control to bastion of sexual predators in the eyes of the public and politicians and law enforcement

and when that happens, you can say bye bye to the Pirate Bay

i don't think this was a great move on the part of Pirate Bay, unless they actively work to remove child porn

for all of Slashdot's idealism on the subject of freedom and the Internet, i sure hope everyone here has enough grasp on reality to realize that if the Pirate Bay becomes a child porn distributor, in any way other than trivial, then it is doomed

and if you don't understand why, then you've lost touch with reality

Re:it's not if, but when (2, Funny)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598919)

This just in! There's child porn on the internets! Shut 'em down boys, all of them!

Re:it's not if, but when (1)

Disfnord (1077111) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599075)

Well, if you RTFA you'd realize that they specifically said they will not allow illegal images. You know, like child pornography? No doubt it will get uploaded, and shortly after deleted, but that's true for any site that allows people to upload images.

ranking system (3, Interesting)

superwiz (655733) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598905)

Without some ranking system. At least as good as diggit, it will just become a trash land. It has no search mechanism, no ranking of content. No categorizing of content other than by unsearchable tags. As it stands, it is a little more than the beginning of another attempt at usenet.... except even less organized.

Re:ranking system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599057)

Without some ranking system. At least as good as diggit, it will just become a trash land. It has no search mechanism, no ranking of content. No categorizing of content other than by unsearchable tags. As it stands, it is a little more than the beginning of another attempt at usenet.... except even less organized.

Or it could be used as, oh, I dunno, an IMAGE HOST. This means that you put your images up there, then include links or embeds to them from other sites, such as forums that don't provide image hosting.

Re:ranking system (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599247)

It seems like they're trying to create something that's more like an uncensored Photobucket.

The fact that it's internally disorganized doesn't really matter, as long as you can get a static link to the hosted photo.

I think the (idealistic) use case is something like this: I take a photo of some Authority Figure abusing their authority. I know that they'll dislike this, and will try to suppress its publication -- therefore ruling out sites like Flickr and Photobucket that will respond to a DMCA Takedown Notice. But I want to get the word out. So I upload it to TPB's site, and then start passing the link around. People can now access the photo, blog it, whatever, and hopefully it's safe from censorship. (Doesn't do anything to prevent retribution against locals who link to it, but at least they're not hosting it.)

Of course, I think the more realistic use case is that it'll just get used by trolls posting goatse, jailbait, tubgirl, animal cruelty, etc. to message-boards. (Not that it's tough to find a goatse or tubgirl to link to currently, but doubtless there are more disgusting things out there that get taken down faster that the trolls will find.)

A safe haven.... (1)

Arkaic (784460) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598931)

for image spam. Great.

Losing their way? (3, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598933)

Piratebay keep acting like they are untouchable and the guardians of censorship, but it just seems they are trying to push the boundaries until thy get caught.

Re:Losing their way? (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598975)

At least someone is standing up against censorship and government control and regulation of the internet. I applaud their efforts on all fronts.

Re:Losing their way? (3, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599027)

Piratebay are trying to be the guardians while acting like anarchists. They will do more harm than good.

Re:Losing their way? (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599079)

We need both, even better that we're getting both types from one entity.

Advertising on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598939)

I wonder who one would have to bribe to get their own web2.0 project advertised on slashdot...

The picture is uploaded by a user of this site. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19598963)

The picture is uploaded by a user of this site. The site has no responsibility for it. If this image is illegal, please send an e-mail to abuse (and put ILLEGAL + URL in the subject). We will not remove any pictures that are just immoral or in any way legal to host under Swedish law.

What about pirated software? (3, Interesting)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 7 years ago | (#19598991)

Since they allow archives on the site, are people going to use this to upload and share warez? Or does the system scan uploaded archives and rejects non-images based on content?

BTW, I visited the site about 10 hours ago, and the tag cloud was full of injected JavaScript - it was pretty much benign (only a couple of alert functions), but funny nevertheless, and seems like the whole thing was put together very quickly. They've fixed the problem now.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599275)

Who cares?

The TPB is run by the swedish security police anyhow.
Why the hell would they bust people when they can monitor them instead?
Look at how the operate. Get real.

You want to be secure? Use services that's not in your country.
We small people can still hope that the one-world court will not be established - then we'll be REALLY screwed.

Cheerios.

sorry to have to say this ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19599297)

but after a few clicks i think I LIKE CENSORSHIP ... ewww : ((

Trolls vs the World (3, Insightful)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599307)

It seems to me that once again the question comes down to whether or not the freedoms of the many are going to be ripped away because of the misbehavior of a few trolls. There have always been people who abuse the system and cause grief wherever they go just because it is fun for them to aggravate people/authority/whatever. Does that mean that all of the rest of us have to live in chains? I think not. Humanity needs to learn that in order to have freedom, sometimes we have to allow people to do bad things and clean up the mess afterwards. There is no freedom to do good without also having the freedom to do evil. If we can't accept that, then we'd might as well give up all of this lip service to freedom and lock the handcuffs right now.

YouTube killer (1)

athloi (1075845) | more than 7 years ago | (#19599337)

100mb "images" including RAR/ZIP files? This site is designed to push back against the YouTube, Gmail, Megaupload sites and give people a public data cache they can rely on for more than video. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first shot in a canny business strategy to make the next web 2.0 supersite, with Pirate Bay's essential idea being that of the remote public file cache as a precursor to the remote, public/private desktop.
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