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eBay and Google Make Amends, Kinda

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the best-of-cuthroat-enemies dept.

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It's been tit for tat for some time; eBay bans Google payments, Google tries to throw a party mocking eBay, in response to which the service pulls all of its ads, fun corporate shenanigans. It seems as though, for the moment, the two companies have made up. News.com is reporting that eBay ads will once again be serviced via Google's adwords service, but that they will also be using alternative methods to a greater extent in the future. "Hani Durzy, a spokesman for San Jose, California-based eBay, said his company later on Friday would begin advertising on Google, but at reduced levels than previously. eBay had been buying tens of millions of keyword ads on Google each year. 'I will tell you it will be in a much more limited way than it was before,' Durzy told Reuters. 'What we found is that we were not as dependent on AdWords as some people thought.'"

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Some people thought? (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622559)

Who thought eBay was dependant on AdWords at all? How many people:
  1. Use Google, but have never heard of eBay, or
  2. Are going to be interested in buying random words (e.g. 'slaves') on eBay? They even had the AdWords for my name for a while, but sadly they didn't sell a spare one of me.

Huge penis failure (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19622583)

In your pants! [goatse.cz]

Re:Some people thought? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19622603)

... I was planning to buy some fancy words I can use in my posts!

Re:Some people thought? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19622627)

Coca Cola does a lot of advertising. They don't do it to get new customers so much as to keep existing customers. Yeah, if I google(tm) "horsecock", I'm probably not interested in buying horsecock on ebay. However, ebay doesn't get billed unless I click, and they can keep other horsecock sellers out of contention. Is eBay a dog lying in the manger, or do people actually buy horsecock on eBay?

Re:Some people thought? (2, Interesting)

gravos (912628) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622635)

Certainly it's pretty funny when we type something like "pidgin problem" into Google and see "Find pidgin problem now on eBay!" But when you look at search queries it's definitively true that a non-trivial number of them are for products, and probably people looking to buy. Besides, if eBay only pays through click-thrus, why would they care if there are false-positives?

Re:Some people thought? (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622667)

Besides, if eBay only pays through click-thrus, why would they care if there are false-positives?
I always click on the stupid eBay ad links. I figure if they're going to do something stupid, they should have to pay for it.

Re:Some people thought? (2, Informative)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622637)

Hear hear. The ebay adwords were always the bottom of the barrel -- either words that no one else wanted, or that were moderately popular but eBay had paid so little that they were listed last.

It's sad, though, that I didn't even realize they were missing until this article came out. Sure enough, I can't think of a search in recent memory that had "Find it on eBay!" in google ads. Too bad, really; I wish I could've been more pleased with their absence.

Re:Some people thought? (3, Interesting)

Ignis Flatus (689403) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622679)

dependent is such a strong word. it's like asking if walmart is dependent on local newspapers to sell goods. of course, everyone has heard of walmart, but running ads still brings in more customers and reduces sales to competitors. they may not be dependent on them, but they still need the ads to establish dominance. without dominance, you leave open the possibility that a competitor will one day take away a large piece of your pie. perhaps the whole pie.

Re:Some people thought? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19623021)

dependent is such a strong word.
that's why he used dependant!

Re:Some people thought? (1)

Aliriza (1094599) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623347)

Yes but what about the organic search results , when I search for something I generally see some ebay pages , what is google changes its algoritm to get rid of store pages.

Re:Some people thought? (1)

Conficio (832978) | more than 7 years ago | (#19631659)

If eBay does reduce it's pointless ads, that do not represent even a remote product available, that can only be a good thing for Google and AdWords as a program. If eBay also would stop spamming the search results with auctions that are outdated or search results that are, again, not resulting in any available product at the time (Http Expire header any one?) it would be a good thing for Google as well as for the searching public. Third, if all the front ends for Google would not cloak the Google search results and advertisements it would be an improvement as well. So let eBay go its merry way. The public ill be thankful.

Good riddance (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19622649)

I say good riddance to EBay's crappy Google ads. For a while there, you couldn't search for anything without 3 EBay affiliate ads offering to sell it to you. "Find people selling 'babies' on EBay!" "Lowest prices on 'babies'!"

Re:Good riddance (5, Funny)

owlnation (858981) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622911)

I say good riddance to EBay's crappy Google ads. For a while there, you couldn't search for anything without 3 EBay affiliate ads offering to sell it to you. "Find people selling 'babies' on EBay!" "Lowest prices on 'babies'!"
Ironically, eBay's Safeharbor team does such a poor job that there are most certainly days when you actually can, in fact, buy babies on eBay.

However, I daresay the "lowest prices" part is misleading. If eBay scammers are selling babies, they are almost certainly shill bidding on them too.

Re:Good riddance (2, Insightful)

ciscoguy01 (635963) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622931)

Yep. Everything you searched for with google came up with *lots* of worthless eBay hits.
Good riddance eBay.
Worthless, eBay was essentially spamming google, and google didn't seem concerned at all.

Try defining your search! (4, Informative)

Nushio (951488) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623279)

You could try searching for stuff and adding "-ebay" at the end.

The "-" tells Google what to skip, so if you're looking for something in particular, and keep getting spammed with "BUY!" and "EBAY", just type your term, and add "-buy -ebay".

Re:Good riddance (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623005)

The affiliate thing changed a while ago, actually. eBay's affiliate program stopped paying referral fees for traffic coming from Google.

Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19622659)

I got sick of the eBay listings showing up when searching for things that were really esoteric on Google. Search for asteroids on eBay!

Good. (3, Informative)

Triv (181010) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622661)

Good for me, anyway - adwords on google searches for anything even remotely purchasable almost always included a generic, keyword-added eBay ad that was ignorable by default; it was approaching crapflood levels.

Let's hope that eBay pulling back will result in searches that're actually relevant. (Searching for Anime and being told that an anime sale is going on at foo.com makes sense; being told that I can buy anime on eBay is unnecessary.)


Triv

If they weren't that dependant on AdWords (3, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622677)

Why did they go back? I think they were more dependant then they thought and went back in a more limited fashion to protest their dependence.

It's not google's fault! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19622729)

I didn't read the article, nor do I know anything about what's going on. However, I'm quite certain that google is totally innocent. It had to be ebay's fault, entirely. Google can do no evil and whenever there's a dispute, you can be sure they are in the right. They're much like AMD and Apple in this respect.

Re:It's not google's fault! (4, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622753)

Keep up the good work, and we will let you have a user account soon! However, you need to work on your spelling... it is entirely too good.

Re:It's not google's fault! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19623365)

It sounds like AMD, Apple, and Google need to clash soon to find where our faith lies - which one is our one, true god?

Sounds like a pre-divorce situation (5, Funny)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622775)

Wife: I don't like it when you do (this) so I'm going to cut you off.
Husband: Oh yeah, well I'm going to have a beer with guys on your birthday.
Wife: Oh yeah well I'm going to ask my mother to move in.
Husband: Oh yeah! Well I'm going to let you.

Both think about it for a minute.

Wife, well maybe we can uh, you know work things out a little bit.
Husband: Well maybe. Have you seen my socks?

There is tremendous interdependency between an awful lot of web companies and to spite themselves they're going to have to play nice in the sandbox if they are going to get anything done.

Re:Sounds like a pre-divorce situation (2, Funny)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 7 years ago | (#19622999)

Sure. Where would slashdot be without Roland Piquepaille's [slashdot.org] blog [primidi.com]

Re:Sounds like a pre-divorce situation (2, Interesting)

Brother Seamus (937658) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623163)

The problem with this is that Google should view Ebay as a competitor, not as a spouse. These moves hurt Google's ability to innovate. They have to back off on entering certain new markets to protect their bread and butter ad business.

Re:Sounds like a pre-divorce situation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19623851)

I was just shown earlier today that eBay has an Alert via IM option. Only AIM, Windows LiveTM and Yahoo! are supported, and I thought to myself that the only Jabber user big enough for them to bother adding support for would be Google, but with the recent tiff that possibility would be even more remote than before. Now, though, at least they have no reason to be against it (actually supporting it would take time, money, etc. but there would be no politics)

Google is the future (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19622781)

FUCK ISLAM

I was hoping eBay would boycott forever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19623257)

There is nothing quite as annoying as Googling a current event and seeing things like "Find Democratic Debates and more at eBay!"

Re:I was hoping eBay would boycott forever (3, Funny)

lilfields (961485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623341)

Yes, but it is not well known that this is actually how some candidates buy elections.

Minus 2, Trol7) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19623307)

demise. Yo0 don't and shOuting that I don't want to hapless *BSD

Which is Worse? (2, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623419)

Which is worse? Pulling all eBay ads from Google, or the GDP (Google Death Penalty) of making you effectively disappear from the Internet. There's no Must Carry rule for Google, although they need do this sparingly, lest they become irrelevant in the search market. But eBay is only one company, and an arrogant one at that based on the number of legal items they ban from being sold, and the way they can suspend your seller account based on unverified complaints. eBay can hardly bring down Google.

Come to think of it, both eBay and Google are a lot alike. Both pull your sites/listings based on often unverified complaints, then make it d@mn near impossible to actually talk to somebody who can rectify the situation and have you reinstated. They deserve each other!

Maturity? (1)

PsEvo (1075643) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623421)

Come on now major corporations... play nice.

how long will it take google to enter onlineretail (1)

sandeepbansal (1010369) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623471)

lets just see how long does it take google to enter the online retail bussiness. they did it with paypal they will soon do it with ebay.

Right... (3, Insightful)

Jaqenn (996058) | more than 7 years ago | (#19623581)

From the summary:

'What we found is that we were not as dependent on AdWords as some people thought.'"

Which translates as 'We found that we're way the hell more dependent on AdWords than we thought', right? They went back to Google in, what, 5 days?

They are so cute (1)

Roliel (1119283) | more than 7 years ago | (#19624237)

Aww, Google and eBay got back together again after their little lover's quarrel. I think it's a good thing that this made them realize they are not ready for their previous level of commitment and that they made it clear that it is o.k. for each other to see other corporations too.

"Kinda" is right (2, Informative)

hendridm (302246) | more than 7 years ago | (#19624483)

If given the choice between:

a) Not seeing as many eBay ads on Google, or
b) Being able to use Google Checkout on eBay

I'd choose B.

I was Tired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19625217)

I was Tired of seeing ebay ads all the fuckin time I searched for shit on google.

Re:I was Tired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19631955)

>I was Tired of seeing ebay ads all the fuckin time I searched for shit on google.
I'm afraid to ask what you want with it... you do realize that you can produce your own, right?

Google Payments? Who cares. (3, Informative)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#19625275)

Google Payments only works in the USA, the UK.... not sure where else.

As a Canadian, Google Payments are 100% useless to me (both as a buyer and a seller).

Re:Google Payments? Who cares. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19629153)

As an America, you are 100% useless to me.

Making amends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19625913)

... is "doing something in order to make up for a wrong inflicted on someone." To whom are Google and EBay making amends -- surely not us, their users? I suspect the headline meant to say that they "made up" or that they "reconciled" or [insert thesaurus entry here].

Yes, I realize it's pointless to complain about Slashdot editing.

Re:Making amends (1)

jginspace (678908) | more than 7 years ago | (#19628135)

... is "doing something in order to make up for a wrong inflicted on someone." To whom are Google and EBay making amends -- surely not us, their users? I suspect the headline meant to say that they "made up" or that they "reconciled" or [insert thesaurus entry here].

Yes, I realize it's pointless to complain about Slashdot editing.

Indeed

SUPPORT:? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670555)

WHEN an, eservant suports ghag. i'll be happy?specken 4nglih
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