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All Things iPhone

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the first-of-many dept.

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With the iPhone release coming soon there is no shortage of stories being submitted. Here is an overview of all of its features and specifics on its technical workings. A list of applications is out and still growing. There are warnings however that some applications and peripherals won't be ready or compatible in time for the release. Finally with all the hype associated with the iPhone, we have a reminder of some previous Apple products that ended with a whimper instead of a roar.

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Will it (-1, Offtopic)

MECC (8478) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670317)

Cook my eggs?

Re:Will it (5, Funny)

Titoxd (1116095) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670385)

No, but if you put a MacBook over your crotch, that will cook your eggs.

Re:Will it (3, Insightful)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670499)

No, but the video link that is up on CNN/Money [cnn.com] right now is speculating that it might land you a date [cnn.com] .

As an Apple fan, even I am finding the level of coverage of this thing to be ridiculous. There are no less than 5 headlines about the iPhone on that page alone. The #*$(# thing isn't even out yet! For this much hype, you'd think it came with 3 5-star hookers and a brick of cocaine straight from colombia.

Re:Will it (4, Funny)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670587)

For this much hype, you'd think it came with 3 5-star hookers and a brick of cocaine straight from colombia

And even if it did, there would be anti-fanbois that complain that it lacked the necessary rolled c-note to snort the coke and that the Treo 576Whatever843 comes with 5 hookers and certificates guaranteeing them to be disease-free. And the Crackberry has crack instead, and a server that sends you more over a proprietary protocol without the need to go to a dealer to get refills.

I do agree that the post rate for iPhone stories is getting absurd, though. Only 2 more days and the wait will be over... the wait for everyone to stop posting their random idiotic speculation about how good/bad/shiny it's going to be!

Can I get an "Amen"?

Re:Will it (3, Insightful)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670717)

Only 2 more days and the wait will be over... the wait for everyone to stop posting their random idiotic speculation about how good/bad/shiny it's going to be!
Yeah, then it will only be "hands-on" reports and stories about how someone figured out how to crack the OS and load software while it is docked (which I don't doubt you'll be able to do unless Apple physically separated the OS part of the drive from the iPod part). I don't see any shortage of stories on it for at least a month.

Re:Will it (5, Funny)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670921)

Don't forget the obligitory release day stories... I spiked it like a football and it scratched, what a POS! EDGE netwrok overrun by too much iPhone traffiic. iPhone exclusive Flicr group. Dropped my iPhone in the toilet, it still works. Dropped my iPhone in the toilet, it doesn't work. Lifehacker will have their 10 secret features of the iPhone article. Since no one reads manuals no one will notice that it's basically the getting started guide in HTML. Gizmodo... iPhone sells out in one day, geeks enraged. macroumors... Apple iPhone 2.0 sports 3g, 16GB storage and 3rd party apps for $299. Engadget... iPhone DOA return rate unprecidented. And last but not least... IT BLENDS!!!

Re:Will it (0, Offtopic)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670979)

Don't forget the stories about people saying it is the best ipod ever because now they can put it down their pants and call themselves and REALLY love the thing. Those will mostly be posted on MySpace by 30 year olds in their parent's basement.

Re:Will it (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670781)

Man (Eric Idle): You sit here, dear.

Wife (Graham Chapman in drag): All right.

Man (to Waitress): Morning!

Waitress (Terry Jones, in drag as a bit of a rat-bag): Morning!

Man: Well, what've you got?

Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and iPhone; egg bacon and iPhone; egg bacon sausage and iPhone; iPhone bacon sausage and iPhone; iPhone egg iPhone iPhone bacon and iPhone; iPhone sausage iPhone iPhone bacon iPhone tomato and iPhone;

Vikings (starting to chant): iPhone iPhone iPhone iPhone...

Waitress: ...iPhone iPhone iPhone egg and iPhone; iPhone iPhone iPhone iPhone iPhone iPhone baked beans iPhone iPhone iPhone...

Vikings (singing): iPhone! Lovely iPhone! Lovely iPhone! ... Eh you get the idea

I am iPhone Hear Me ROAR !! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670785)

I am iPhone, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an' pretend
'cause I've heard it all before
And I've been down there on the floor
No one's ever gonna keep me down again

CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am iPhone

You can bend but never break me
'cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul

CHORUS

I am iPhone watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
But I'm still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand

Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am iPhone
Oh, I am iPhone
I am invincible
I am strong

FADE
I am iPhone
I am invincible
I am strong
I am iPhone

How it does not work: Lame and broken article (0, Troll)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670859)

Having designed touch screen interfaces for more than 15 years now, I must say that the description of how a resistive touch screen works is pretty broken. These devices do not measure resistance nor current. They measure changing voltage.

That leads me to suspect that their description of how the iphone multitouch works is also broken too.

Re:How it does not work: Lame and broken article (2, Informative)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670945)

The iPhone touch screen uses capacitance rather than resistance. It's the same technique that Apple uses on it's laptop touch pads, which can sense whether you've got one or two fingers on them.

Re:Will it (0, Offtopic)

nlitement (1098451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670881)

No! The question is: "will it run Linux?", you insensitive clod!

The summary changed! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670325)

Instead of "Coming soon" it said "coming tomorrow evening"

I'm buying.. Friday. (5, Informative)

adam (1231) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670337)

It seems TFS has now been corrected from the mysterious future, but I took the time to compose my oh-so-informative post, so I'm going forward anyway, haha. Unless Samzenpus is in Australia (where it wouldn't be night right now), it's still the 27th, which is the night before the night before the iPhone is released. That extra "night before" missing from TFS might seem inconsequential, but remember kids-- if you're buying an iPhone, don't get off work early [thurs] TOMORROW night, get off work early on Friday June 29 [apple.com] to get in line [macnn.com] in time [macnn.com] .

I'm going to send one of our employees to get in line (for myself and three others) around noon, heh. Sure, I wish it had GPS and 3G, but since I'm coming from a BB8700, which doesn't have GPS (nor 3G), nor did my Treo before that, I'll live. And so far I'm encouraged by the reviews from Pogue and Mossberg (etc) discussed here [slashdot.org] yesterday. I've been closely watching engadget (etc), and believe the reviews to confirm that many of those sites (such as engadget) spreading negative rumors like "two thumb touchscreen typing was impossible to do, and our anonymous source gave up after a day or two" are really just sensational speculation for driving viewers to the site. It seems the screen takes some getting used to, but not nearly on the level that some "anonymous sources" have characterized. I'm also a bit disappointed in the family pricing.. it's not considerably cheaper for my own phone + my partner's on the same plan, versus individual plans. If they had made corporate/family pricing a little more attractive, I'd be inclined to buy some for our employees. The paltry 200 txt msgs standard to each plan is also annoying (so now I'll have to drop $10 or $20 per phone for extra). But even still, I'm firmly in the demographic that is willing to pay extra for the phone, the service, just for the UI (and non-crashyness) that Apple will bring to the table. This will hopefully have a very nice positive net effect-- I suspect most iPhone users will be very happy, and all other companies will now be pushed to improve their products or lose customers.

Re:I'm buying.. Friday. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670417)

Make sure to come back to Slashdot and post some pictures of yourself and your 500 dollars worth of hype so we can all laugh at you.

Apple really should come out with some expensive brown paper bag wrappers porn magazines come in so the silly fanboys who end up buying iPhones don't get laughed at and humiliated in public with them.

"Wait, you actually bought an iPhone...bwhahahahaha...."

Re:I'm buying.. Friday. (1)

Oscar_Wilde (170568) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670487)

it's OK if your mother didn't love you. serriously though, laughing at someone with an iPhone in the next few days will be a sure way to show how much of an unwanted geek _you_ are

Re:I'm buying.. Friday. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670435)

"I'm going to send one of our employees to get in line (for myself and three others) around noon"

There's a one-per-person limit for purchasing the iPhone on Friday. Unless you mean that you're going to show up later with three other people and cut in line, in which case can you video tape it so I can laugh at you getting punched in the face?

Re:I'm buying.. Friday. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670801)

Yeah, scary, a line full of Emo Retards.

Punched? I don't think so. More like some slapping and maybe even some hair pulling...

Re:I'm buying.. Friday. (4, Funny)

Oscar_Wilde (170568) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670449)

Samzenpus is in Australia (where it wouldn't be night right now), it's still the 27th, which is the night before the night before the iPhone is released. That extra "night before" missing from TFS might seem inconsequential, but remember kids-- if you're buying an iPhone, don't get off work early [thurs] TOMORROW night, get off work early on Friday June 29 to get in line in time.
 
... I am in Australia. Hello from the future. Tomorrow is Friday but the iPhone wont be out until the end of next year in the land of the antipodeans.
 
Erm, I think I'm supposed to put a "you insensitive clod" in there someplace...

Re:I'm buying.. Friday. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670493)

adam exposes Apple's fatal flaw with the iPhone.

There are plenty of dumb people in the world.
There are plenty of rich people in the world.

But there simply aren't enough people like adam who are both dumb enough to fall for the iPhone hype AND have the means to actually waste so much money on one.

Don't believe the hype (2, Interesting)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670581)

In your post, you have only mentioned negatives about the iPhone; high cost, shitty price plan, no GPS, no 3G. The one positive thing you listed is the UI and "non-crashyness." How anyone could be sure that the iPhone doesn't crash as "often" as existing smart phones on the market is beyond me or how anyone except for the select few reviewers that have actually used an iPhone can know that the UI is better. And still, you're planning to buy the phone on launch day.

How can you know that the iPhone is worth the money or even decent? You can't. It is all hype and 900 million dollar pre-launch marketing, probably more than the total development cost for the device.

Re:Don't believe the hype (2, Interesting)

Doogie5526 (737968) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670825)

While "brand names" are usually looked down upon for being overpriced, they're brands because they offer an expectation. With Apple the common expectation is better-than-average design and innovative user interfaces. This may change (such as Disney Animations brand got diluted with things like straight-to-video releases), but it's enough to sell units even before seeing and using them.

Re:Don't believe the hype (5, Insightful)

adam (1231) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670911)

I mentioned the negatives because I figured the positive were obvious-- they're the details we've all known for a while, and the ones that get most exposure in the 34838483 stories on /. and elsewhere. The negatives you hear, well, on many sites like Engadget, these are often spurious, or at best they're speculations. The negatives I pointed out really do exist, but aren't the end of the world (for me), and I figured maybe other readers would want to hear my take. I don't consider the price a negative. I spent $500 on my blackberry, and around $700 on my Treo (back in the day), so Apple's price is right about what I'm willing to pay for a good smartphone.

"except for the select few reviewers that have actually used an iPhone can know that the UI is better"

Anyone who had watched the apple tour video [apple.com] can tell you the UI is lightyears ahead of Blackberry, Treo, etc. Even the commercials make this apparent. And as I said, I'm willing to put some faith in certain reviewers (Pogue, etc), and they have all said positive things about the majority of the phone's features.

"How anyone could be sure that the iPhone doesn't crash as "often" as existing smart phones on the market is beyond me"

My Treo would endure around 3-5 crashes PER DAY. My blackberry doesn't crash, but has gotten considerable slower over time, and freezes occasionally (and this always seems to be at the exact wrong moment). I am not someone who grants corporations a lot of faith, but Apple is one of the few who has earned my faith. They're products aren't know for being cheap, but their UI and industrial design are both industry leading, and stability is an important factor to them. This is evidenced in the lack of third party apps-- that's what causes many other phones crash 10 times a day (instead of the normal once or twice if you're only using the native apps). Apple has earned enough credit with me that I'm willing to stake $500 on their product being solid. Apple doesn't have the best reputation for 1st gen devices, but I've had no issues with my Macbook Pro, so I'm willing to take that "gamble" again.. some aren't. Incidentally, the only other company that I can think of that I've decided to buy a product without even seeing it in person, was my Lotus, and that was for the same reasons. And I was very happy I made the purchase.

"How can you know that the iPhone is worth the money or even decent?"

I can't "KNOW" anything about the iPhone, really. What I do "KNOW" is that apple has, in the past, built many products I am very happy with, and has earned a reputation for quality. So yes, it's a gamble, but I believe the odds are handicapped in my favor. Incidentally, if you're tempted to call me an Apple zealot.. I'm making this post from an Opteron box running XP64 Corp. I tend to believe in the right tool for the right job-- in this case, I don't feel like the blackberry is the right tool for me, and even if the iPhone isn't [exactly] either, it's as close as anything will be for a while.

Re:Don't believe the hype (3, Insightful)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671003)

Anyone who had watched the apple tour video can tell you the UI is lightyears ahead of Blackberry, Treo, etc. Even the commercials make this apparent. And as I said, I'm willing to put some faith in certain reviewers (Pogue, etc), and they have all said positive things about the majority of the phone's features.

That is called "advertising." [wikipedia.org] Anyone who have watched the trailers for Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End can tell you that that is an awesome movie. Suckers queued in line for that product too.

Re:I'm buying.. Friday. (3, Interesting)

itwerx (165526) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670927)

The paltry 200 txt msgs standard to each plan is also annoying (so now I'll have to drop $10 or $20 per phone for extra). But even still, I'm firmly in the demographic that is willing to pay extra for the phone, the service, just for the UI (and non-crashyness) that Apple will bring to the table.

As something of an Apple fanboi myself, I'm actually going to wait awhile, maybe a really long while, for the simple reason that the data rate with EDGE absolutely sucks and Cingular's signal coverage is pitiful. I love the UI, I've been drooling over this thing since I first heard about it, but I'm not about to drop $500 on a phone I can't actually use productively in the real world. It's almost painful to watch this unfold; I so wish Apple had gone with Sprint or Verizon or almost anybody except Cingular (well, okay, T-Mobile would have been worse). And with a 5-year exclusivity no less!?! Egads, wtf is the Jobster smoking?

Googledot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670355)

I am far too lazy to just type "iPhone" into google, thank god that slashdot has done it for me!

You ain't just whistlin' dixie... (5, Insightful)

Ub3rT3Rr0R1St (920830) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670357)

With the iPhone release coming soon there is no shortage of stories being submitted. No shortage?! That's a gross understatement. I think I have just been convinced by this latest iPhone plug that things are going overboard.

We know the features, we know the controversy, we know EVERYTHING.

Just let the damn thing come. This is more than gratuitous splurge on a product. It's downright unnecessary.
I'm looking forward to this thing as much as the next guy, but come on, enough with the iPhone articles. It's getting redundant.

Re:You ain't just whistlin' dixie... (1)

Aminion (896851) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670447)

Yeah, save some iPhone for the dupes! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE DUPES!!!

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

what was i thinking (1)

gollum123 (810489) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670475)

That i would get through the day without seeing a story about the iPhone on slashdot. I hope god forgives me for my blasphemous thoughts.

Re:You ain't just whistlin' dixie... (1)

dotpavan (829804) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670577)

iphone this, iphone that.. it is getting so loud that some passing ufo/alien would see the buzz and pay us a visit (I am bad at cartoons, so imagine earth and the word "iphone" in comic bubbles coming out of earth)


then iphone's new tagline would be "we achieved what SETI@home couldnt"

Re:You ain't just whistlin' dixie... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670607)

Come on google only shows 73,200,000 millions his for iPhone!

tagged "beatenhorse" (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670703)

Just let the damn thing come.

Agreed. If I had thought of it, I would have made an anti-"29th" t-shirt. Something along the lines of "June 29th, I'll be living my life while you stand in line."

I'll be interested in one- in about 6 months when I know what the teething issues are and version 1.1 is quietly slipped into production.

Slashdot Giving Up All Pretenses (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670373)

I guess Slashdot has given up any effort to hide the fact that the site has transformed into nothing more than a marketing blog for companies like Apple to whore their products.

All I want to know about the iPhone.... (4, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670391)

Will it blend?

let's find out here [willitblend.com]

I cant WAIT for them to destroy an iPhone.

Re:All I want to know about the iPhone.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670507)

I hope they are using a good industrial blender.

A friend of mine once made a drunken bet with the barman at our local cafe about whether or not his mobile phone would successfully blend. He didn't think it would...

He was wrong.

Re:All I want to know about the iPhone.... (3, Insightful)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670681)

WillItBlend is a site run by a blender company, Blendtec. They have successfully blended some iPods in their blender (they always use the same one, and it's actually just a consumer grade one) before.

Oh, and because mentioning blending iPods in a blender WILL get you -10,000,000 Overrated (to dodge metamoderation!) here on Slashdot, they HAVE also blended Windows CDs. They make a really cool sparkly powder (over-expensive glitter?), though I still think microwaving CDs is way cooler.

Re:All I want to know about the iPhone.... (1)

Joey Patterson (547891) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670757)

What I'd really like to know is whether iPhone will shred!

WATCH IT SHRED! [youtube.com]

windows! (1)

martin_henry (1032656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670393)

A list of applications is out and still growing. There are warnings however that some applications and peripherals won't be ready or compatible in time for the release.
remind you of any major OS's?

Ahhhh!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670397)

Stop it! STOP IT! Seriously god damnit all stop it!

I've fucking put up with Slashdot for over 8 years and this is just about the worst it's ever been. Editors, get a clue. Fuckwads submitting nonstop meaningless bullshit stories-for-a-product-that-STILL-ISN'T-EVEN-RELEAS ED, just sod off and die.

Is it too much to ask for a tech news source that doesn't worship the poo that falls out of Jobs et al.? Hell, I like Apple products, but enough is enough, wait til the damn thing is actually in the hands of folks to talk about it more.

Enough is Enough (4, Insightful)

kaos07 (1113443) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670403)

I think I speak for a lot of people of when I say that we're sick of hearing about the bloody iPhone. Who cares if it's super-dooper good, it's just another phone.

Yawn.... (1)

Dude McDude (938516) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670411)

zzZZZzzZzz...

Shlashdot's free pub (2, Insightful)

cuby (832037) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670429)

I'm starting to be a little tired of so many articles (free pub) about the iPhone... It seems it's going cure even global warming!
Someone remembering all the pre-noise about PS3 and the reality after Nintendo kicked it's ass?

Re:Shlashdot's free pub (1)

martin_henry (1032656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670465)

It seems it's going cure even global warming!
if that were the case, I still wouldn't buy one (or be able to afford one).

Re:Shlashdot's free pub (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670995)

Most the noise about the PS3 (on /. anyways) was that it was going to be a really cool and powerfull, but it wasn't going to do well (at least immediately) in the market because of it's relatively late release, high price point, and lack of exclusives.... That still seems to be the opinion of the PS3.

On the other hand, their already are reviews of people using the iPhone "in the field" and it's getting the reaction everyone expected. That it is cool, and is pushing the mobile market in a positive direction. But it's pricey, and might be too incompatible for initial widespread adoption (ie M$ exchange, current providers, etc...)

Let's see if the general consensus gets it right again. Don't let me down ./ !!!!

PLEASE MAKE THE IPHONE STORIES STOP (0, Flamebait)

pyite69 (463042) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670469)

I would rather shove a splintered 2x4 up my ass than keep seeing these silly stories.

Re:PLEASE MAKE THE IPHONE STORIES STOP (2, Funny)

ase (39429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670529)

That can be arranged...

Re:PLEASE MAKE THE IPHONE STORIES STOP (3, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670617)

I would rather shove a splintered 2x4 up my ass than keep seeing these silly stories.

goatse much?

Re:PLEASE MAKE THE IPHONE STORIES STOP (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670763)

Looking for any excuse again for your kinky sex practices, aren't you.

Re:PLEASE MAKE THE IPHONE STORIES STOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670803)

Fag.

products did not end with a whimper (5, Informative)

nuckin futs (574289) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670513)

The itunes phone was not their work. It was motorola's. You could tell because Steve Jobs spent 2 seconds introducing it, and that's it. he didn't sell it like all the other Apple products he introduces.
The Newton is still being used by some, and is more powerful than some PDAs on the market right now.
The original iMac...they sold millions of units and brought Apple back from the dead.
The cube was just overpriced, but it was well designed, and it's a collector's item now.

Re:products did not end with a whimper (-1, Flamebait)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670673)

the itunes phone was as much apple as it was motorola. it is called THE itunes phone after all, stop making excuses for them and trying to scape goat using motorola.

the newton was shit, face it. please name the pda's it's more powerful than now? i'd love to hear you explain that one.

the original imac's where horrible pieces of junk, it wasn't until they got past version 4 that they improved

the cube was just rubbish, a terrible attempt to be over cool. there's also collectors for types of brown paper, it's no proof that something is worthwhile just because some losers consider it worth collecting.

anyway, that was some since spin, you might find a job working for bush with that kind of spin.

Re:products did not end with a whimper (1)

nuckin futs (574289) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670853)

the itunes phone was as much apple as it was motorola. it is called THE itunes phone after all, stop making excuses for them and trying to scape goat using motorola.
It was called the itunes phone so motorola could sell more of the stuff. if they tied it with the itunes brand, they figured it will sell like hotcakes.

the newton was shit, face it. please name the pda's it's more powerful than now? i'd love to hear you explain that one.
have you gone to a Staples store and look at some of the cheap PDAs there? I'm talking about the glorified electronic address books with some other functions built in with it. It's marketed as a PDA.

the original imac's where horrible pieces of junk, it wasn't until they got past version 4 that they improved
Junk or not (personal opinions aside), it still sold millions. I don't think that is considered going out with a whimper.

Re:products did not end with a whimper (1)

networkzombie (921324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670943)

The Newton is still being used? I have one. Every time I pull the string I hear "The cow says."

Re:products did not end with a whimper (1)

nuckin futs (574289) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671121)

all jokes aside, check this out: ;-)
http://www.newted.org/ [newted.org]

Why buy an iPhone? (1)

sven_kirk (562794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670517)

Other than combining the "functionality" of the two, what makes IT stand out? Yes, I do agree on the memory size. But other than that, it is way overpriced. Being locked into iTunes and higher phone plan rates. Count me out. Not to mention the phone would probably not even be covered by insurance for theft or accident.

Re:Why buy an iPhone? (1)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670575)

The OS makes it stand out, if that's what you're asking. The specific interface and the way you interact with it is fairly different (not getting into whether it's better or worse, just different). As a Treo 650 user who has seen Palm OS go without any significant updates for years, I personally welcome seeing what the iPhone brings to the table.

As far as insurance, it could be insured by something like safeware.com I think.

Re:Why buy an iPhone? (1)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670597)

Also, not sure what you mean about being "locked into iTunes"; do you just mean that you have to use iTunes to transfer music/videos to it? If you meant locked into iTunes music or something, of course you don't need to ever buy a single bit of content from iTunes. Like any iPod you can transfer your regular MP3's, etc. as well.

As far as higher phone plan rates; what do you mean? The rate plans are basically the same as other phone rate plans - the only thing that makes it somewhat higher I guess is that the unlimited data appears to be required, but they aren't higher than normal really compared to the plans you'd get with a Blackberry, BlackJack, etc.

Re:Why buy an iPhone? (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670695)

it's a FOUR YEAR PLAN. ffs that's terrible, AND it's cingular who are shocking.

Re:Why buy an iPhone? (1)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670955)

What's a 4-year plan? I'm not sure I'm following you. Do you mean the contract? If so, it's a 2-year contract, which isn't specifically unusual in this industry. I'm not sure what you mean "it's cingular who are shocking"; can you clarify what that sentence actually means?

Echo of products past (1, Insightful)

davmoo (63521) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670519)

with all the hype associated with the iPhone

The more hype I see and hear about the iPhone, the more it reminds me of the hype surrounding the Segway.

Re:Echo of products past (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670563)

The more hype I see and hear about the iPhone, the more it reminds me of the hype surrounding the Segway
 
Except, you know, people actually want the iPhone and cell phones are useful. Who actually wanted a Segway and thought it would be good for more than looking like a sidewalk surfing idiot.

I thought it was a closed platform? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670527)

Where are all these applications coming from. Didn't Jobs claim it was a closed platform?

Must have Itunes (1)

LostEmail (1053128) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670531)

I can't even use the Iphone if I got it. You need Itunes to activate it and the last time I looked Itunes isn't available on Ubuntu.

Is there a work around or anything?

Re:Must have Itunes (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670715)

I think the real question is: why do you have to pay to activate it?

Wow, even Microsoft wont dare pull that stunt.

Re:Must have Itunes (1)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670959)

Is this a joke, or have you honestly never bought a cell phone?

That mysterious "activation fee" has been kicking around first cell phone bills for at least 14 years now.

Is it any good as a phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670535)

A few things to consider when buying a phone :

How good is the quality of the audio microphone & speaker ?
How long does the battery last ?
The areas covered by the carrier signal used by the phone network.

All 3 of these seem lacking from what I've heard in the recent iPhone feeding frenzy...

Too bad (5, Funny)

nytes (231372) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670545)

I'll be too busy playing with my new copy of the GPL v3 to bother with the iPhone.

This was pretty poor timing by Apple.

Re:Too bad (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670787)

I just wanted to say thank you for not posting metadiscussion about the post, how much you hate the iPhone itself, or running off at the mouth with missinformation. Seriously.

Ended with a whimper instead of a roar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670567)

What product ends with a roar (besides explosives)? As far as I know, any product that's still roaring isn't going to end until it's whimpering.

And calling the iMac a product that ended with a whimper is wrong. They're still produced and still solid sellers.

Five, Four, Three... (1)

Dan East (318230) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670585)

That's the countdown until we see a slew of applications for Windows Mobile smartphones and Pocket PCs containing the exact same feature set and interface as the iPhone's software. The multi-touch screen is really the only major hardware component the iPhone has over existing devices, so its primarily a matter of software, which we'll see shortly.

Dan East

Re:Five, Four, Three... (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670769)

The multi-touch screen is really the only major hardware component the iPhone has over existing devices, so its primarily a matter of software, which we'll see shortly.
Except maybe for iTunes...

Redundancy? (4, Funny)

DefenderThree (920248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670603)

All Things iPhone
You mean Slashdot?

But will it talk to my car? (3, Insightful)

Jay Maynard (54798) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670671)

There are two deal-breakers for me with the iPhone: It has to sync with Exchange directly (no, not just IMAP, but calendaring as well), and it must work with my car's Bluetooth module. The former is because that's the only way I'll get my boss to let me get one instead of a Blackberry; the latter is because no $600 phone, no matter how insanely great, will get me to get rid of a $45K car.

Re:But will it talk to my car? (1)

DrTime (838124) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670823)

It'll plug into to my car's iPod dock connector. But then I won't be able to use the phone, it'll be in glove box. It'll be a nice iPod when in my car. So how do I get them directions? Great idea BMW and Apple. Still, I'd love to have one and may stand in line for one on Friday, or just wait and buy one on-line.

Re:But will it talk to my car? (4, Informative)

Volanin (935080) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670839)

Also important to mention are the things the iPhone DOESN'T do.
(Not bashing the product, I really have high hopes for it.)

What the iPhone Doesn't Have:

- Songs as Ringtones
- Games
- Any flash support
- Instant Messaging
- Picture messages (MMS)
- Video recording
- Voice recognition or voice dialing
- Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP)
- One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)

Stuff we already knew it didn't have:

- 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
- GPS
- A real keyboard
- Removable battery
- Expandable Storage
- Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)

Source:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/what-the-iphone-d oesnt-have-272571.php [gizmodo.com]

Re:But will it talk to my car? (4, Interesting)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671019)

One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
Versus the 2.5mm stupid-ass jack on Windows Mobile devices? I'll take my chances with the fully standard minijack.

Songs as Ringtones - Games
We don't know that. In the introductory videos, there was a ringtones tab in iTunes. The iTunes store for the iPhone hasn't been launched yet, so who knows what sorts of games and additional apps will become available.

- Instant Messaging - Picture messages (MMS)
Why would you need either of those with an internet connection? Why pay 25 cents for a stupid MMS message when you can just send a friggin email?

- A real keyboard
So? Notebooks don't have real mice. People get over it--all the reviewers have.

I'm sure the battery will be replaceable for anyone with five minutes, just like the iPod is now. It would be strange to expect any differently of a small Apple device. 3G isn't a practical expectation or a useful feature given that this is a GSM device. If you want a 3G phone, wait for a later version, to be launched around the time AT&T has a useful 3G network to take advantage of it.

It is not Jesus. It is not sex. It's just a handheld electronic device. But damn, if people don't try to find any little thing to put on a 'con' list. Some of this stuff just doesn't make sense--what is their reasonable base of comparison? Why not add "it doesn't run Windows" to the list? It's like someone put this whole thing together without even stopping to consider that there might be alternatives to some of these "essential" features.

Tethering. (1)

damacus (827187) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671127)

Tethering is the one feature missing which will likely be the dealbreaker for me. I'll certainly be at the store Friday to ask them about it, and I'd pay extra for it, even if that means the $40 PDA plan on top of the $40 voice package. Without that capability, though, the I dare say the iPhone isn't the internet in my pocket, but merely a looking-glass through which I may observe only a priviledged few ports, even if in splendor. The iPhone is still tempting, though. Mail.app, iCal and Addressbook are apps I use often and love. Also, a widescreen iPod.. it would certainly be a step up from my 5GB 1st gen... and the price is great.

Aside from the iPhone, I've been shopping lately, and my other options are the AT&T 8525 ($40 voice + $40 pda personal max) or through T-Mobile the WM6 Wing with 600/unlim $40 + $30 total inet + $5 400 SMS/MMS. All phones support wifi. I know the 8525 and Wing can be tethered. The 8525 comes with WM5, but can be upgraded in Q3 2007.

I looked at Sprint with the Treo 755p ($350) with a $65 total plan, but I've heard bad things about Sprint PCS harassment, support, and poor coverage. I also looked into Verizon, but they seemed to be either Q or Blackberry, which uncompetitive pricing.

So, that's where I am. Choices...

Also it won't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19671045)

o Make the tea
o Make you more attractive to women
o Help you acheive World Peace

Re:But will it talk to my car? (1)

good soldier svejk (571730) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671067)

The calendar syncs with Exchange indirectly through Entourage or Outlook. [engadget.com] Also it syncs with Address Book, which syncs with AD for contacts. Kinda hokey, but I guess it'll work. Beats me about the car.

Re:But will it talk to my car? (1)

Jay Maynard (54798) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671137)

I'm using sync through Entourage now with my Treo 680, and it sucks. The Exchange 2003 SP1 update broke Entourage syncing; now I get hundreds of errors every time I start it up about not being able to sync back with the Exchange server. I have been totally unable to get any help with it at all, on the web or elsewhere - and support from Microsoft? Hahahaha! That also doesn't provide syncing while I'm away from my computer, or push email (I've got Chatter Email on the Treo for that, but there's no similar product for the iPhone, and no, forwarding to Yahoo! Mail is not an answer; I don't need yet another duplicate copy of my company email).

If it doesn't talk to Exchange directly (or Blackberry Enterprise Server, which they've managed to get right enough), it's a kludge, and I'm tired of kludges.

Re:But will it talk to my car? (1)

olddotter (638430) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671183)

Well I know two people for whom iPod compatibility was the driving force behind they selection of potential cars. One bought a Scion, the other a BMW.

So it might not make you get ride of your car, but it might make someone else.

Anyway, it is supposed to support bluetooth headsets, or so I heard.

Why some of us are excited about iPhone (5, Insightful)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670777)

I know I may be late to the party here with 44 coments already posted, but for all you naysayers, here is why we are excited about the iPhone:

The bar is being raised right now for the cellphone industry, and being raised well.
This is the industry that has bent us over for so long, with unusable features, overpriced gadgets that don't deliver on what they promised, and ease of use of a manual lawn-mower.

No, iPhone is not the cure for cancer, but it is making the cell manufacturers and networks change the way they do their business.
After months of being out on the market, the "Chocolate" cellphone will get capability to have songs transfered from the computer. This is not a win for Apple, but a win for the consumer, who without Apple was at the mercy of PHBs and middle management making decisions about how their cellphones should work.

This happened at least one time before... Remember what happened to Exploder once FireFox came out? Oh, well crap, yeah, here's your IE 7 all of a sudden, sorry you had to endure 7 years of exploder 6, no tabs, millions of infections and popups, but we really thought that's what the consumers wanted.

Like I said, the bar is being raised, and it's good to see Nokia, Motorolla and especially the carriers bend over and take it where the sun don't shine from Apple.

Re:Why some of us are excited about iPhone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670873)

Fucking Apple fanboys.

They're like the kid with the bladder control problem in the pool we all call the Internet.

Re:Why some of us are excited about iPhone (2, Insightful)

Fred Ferrigno (122319) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670977)

This is the industry that has bent us over for so long, with unusable features, overpriced gadgets that don't deliver on what they promised, and ease of use of a manual lawn-mower.
This is just hilarious. You can't judge if a product delivers on its promises before it's been delivered. And apparently, the solution to expensive gadgets an even more expensive gadget!

Re:Why some of us are excited about iPhone (1)

sssssss27 (1117705) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671033)

No offense but the iPhone really isn't that great. There is still a lot of stuff it can't do that other PDA phones can. Here is a list from Gizmodo http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/what-the-iphone-d oesnt-have-272571.php [gizmodo.com] :

Songs as Ringtones
Games
Any flash support
Instant Messaging
Picture messages (MMS)
Video recording
Voice recognition or voice dialing
Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP)
One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
GPS
A real keyboard
Removable battery
Expandable Storage
Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)

All of those things can be done by the HTC Mogul and I even think the PPC-6700 which has been around for a while now can do most of that. I don't think Apple is trying to push the boundaries or up the bar with the iPhone. I think Apple is trying to do what it always does, make a product that just works and is simple. Multitouch and the visual voicemail seem to be about the only things that it has that nothing else has.

How many more failure lists? (1)

x1n933k (966581) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670797)

Okay. Enough is enough already, there a failure list at every launch for Apple that say the same things and list the same gadgets. Terrible article.

[J]

iphone is the new paris hilton (1, Insightful)

kennylogins (1092227) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670799)

NM

All this news, but... (0, Troll)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670821)

...still no word on the price for the service. Either AT&T is being clinically stupid (are people going to wait in line to find out they can't afford the plan?), or they know that as soon as the plan price is announced all those would-be line waiters will stay home.

Tell us how much the damned thing costs already!

Re:All this news, but... (1)

narf (207) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670907)

You mean like this [apple.com] ?

Service prices have been announced (1)

rufusdufus (450462) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670953)

The service prices were on Apples website yesterday, and I even saw them on CNN! Here is an article [pcworld.in] about them.

So, what about car connectors? (1)

Basilius (184226) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670845)

> 1. The iPhone won't work as a phone when docked into speakers.

I own a Scion xB, and it's got an iPod jack. (not an Aux jack - it's got one of those too - but one that plugs into the dataport.)

Will it still work as a phone if I've got it plugged into the Scion?

What about the jPhone? (2, Funny)

Roblimo (357) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670887)

iPhone? Who cares about the iPhone, already? I want a jPhone [aish.com] , if only for the Schnapps!

VLAD FARTED SO HARD THAT HE CRIED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19670897)

And the winner of the Biggest, Dumbest, Poorest Fuck in Existence........ VLAD!!!!!

SSH (3, Insightful)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19670923)

putty is available on symbian. Will the iphone have anything as useful?

Is rtsp the real web? (1)

rufusdufus (450462) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671013)

Notice there is exactly one audio application listed, youtube. Go to that site and notice it doesn't work on the desktop. I'm not sure this can be considered the 'real' web they advertise since it uses rtsp instead of http/ajax.

And my question is, does the iPhone support any audio standards in its browser? Will anybody but youtube be able to make audio applications? It looks suspiciously like the answer may be 'no'

iPad (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#19671075)

If I have my own software that implements a better onscreen keyboard than the default iPhone one, like my version of T9, how would I code it and deliver it to iPhones so it overrides the builtin one (at the user's option, of course)?
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