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Russia Claims Large Chunk of North Pole

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the also-santa-claus dept.

The Almighty Buck 242

kungfoofairy writes "Russia has laid claim to over one million square kilometers of the Artic. This announcement comes on the return of a scientific expedition into the region which found that the Lomonosov Ridge connects to Russia. The area is supposed to have a reserve of 10 billion tons of natural gas and oil. 'A BBC map shows Russia's proposal; this set of maps from The New York Times illustrates the area at stake and different ways it might be divided ... The Russians have tried to advance their claim before, and were turned away by the United Nations in 2001. The new geological data is evidently meant to improve the odds for a second try. '"

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Santa (2, Funny)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694167)

In Soviet Russia Santa gets coal from you. Knowing the Russians, this claimed territory will become a polluted industrial mess.

Re:Santa (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694331)

Knowing the Russians, this claimed territory will become a polluted industrial mess.
Hell, if they're not careful, they could pollute it so badly that nothing would ever grow there.

Re:Santa (-1, Flamebait)

Braxton_Bragg (902868) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694395)

More irredentism from the Muscovites ? This is NOT news. I'd better check for Polonium in my coffee tomorrow, though, after posting this.

Re:Santa (1)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694657)

Dang! Missed the opportunity to say "First Pole!"

I'm sure there's been Polish Slashdotters here before you.

Re:Santa (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695097)

Judging for modern history, they'll join in on a joint venture with foreign firms who provide the capital in exchange for a majority share, then catch the firms on relatively minor environmental violations (as far as oil production goes), and force them to settle by giving up their majority share to Gazprom, that paragon of environmental responsibility.

Agreed (0, Flamebait)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695187)

Would it be *that hard to get a little "regime change" going in Russia. I mean, c'mon it's been a few years now.

Great, just what we need. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694169)

...another thing to go to war about.

I claim the whole north pole (1, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694175)

I might occasionally need ice for my cool drinks with all this global warming.

"the whole north pole"... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694569)

...in its entire infinitesimal size!

Re:"the whole north pole"... (1)

sohare (1032056) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694929)

I do not think infinitesimal is the right characterization. A point is supposed to have no physical size, i.e., 0. Zero, however is not an infinitesimal.

Re:I claim the whole north pole (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694603)

Sure, you can claim it. But can you fight me off when i go up and stick my flag there? I might want some ice cubes too.

Argument goes something like... (5, Insightful)

also-rr (980579) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694209)

Countries that would get most by method one:
We like method 1!

Countries that would get most by method two:
No, method 2 is better!

Repeat every 6 years until the whole thing melts and/or people realise that country borders are arbitrary and their first responsibility should be to the human race.

Re:Argument goes something like... (1)

SomeGuyTyping (751195) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694411)

whose first priority is to the human race?

Re:Argument goes something like... (2, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694961)

Your serious? Nobody with any real power is concerned with the human race as a whole; if they were, they wouldn't be able to keep the power because they wouldn't care enough about their image.

Doesn't matter (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694425)

Let them have the north pole. We smart Americans know that the world's oil supply is just about to dry up anyways.

Re:Doesn't matter (2, Insightful)

misleb (129952) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694821)

Yeah, but if they can sit on the oil long enough and wait for the REST of the world's oil to dry up (read: go way up in price) they can make a fortune off of it. Buy low (virtually free in this case), sell high!

-matthew

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

rujholla (823296) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694937)

Except if they wait too long the chinese, indians, any other developing nation thats not getting a piece of this windfall will decide they need to have a share. I don't think USA is the only country that would go to "war for oil."

Re:Doesn't matter (5, Informative)

Rei (128717) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695197)

We're talking about an economic boon that will last decades. Of course people are going to fight over it. Any (fictional) "oil running out, world in panic" scenario would only make it all the more valuable.

Your argument is like saying, "Well, there's a gigantic diamond buried under the fence between me and my neighbor. I'll just let them have it because diamonds are going to run out anyways."

From a more practical standpoint, Russia is grasping at straws. They went from superpower to "not that impressive except for all the nukes." Their GDP is, what, a bit over a trillion dollars per year compared to our 11 trillion? Yet, they still have the pride of a superpower. Just like how if America fell from the top of the world stage, we'd still see ourselves as deserving that status, they too tend to see this as just a setback. Natural resource exploitation seems a good way to bring in money to their economy that could help resurrect their backwards industrial base. It also has geopolitical significance; "take my side or I shut off the taps" makes a nice threat, even when not spoken.

Of course, the resource you're threatening over better *actually* be a big deal. Let's not forget Sudan's threat to devastate the world by stopping sales of acacia gum [go.com]. I love the terrifying wording [washingtonpost.com]:

What's more, the good and peaceful leaders of Sudan were prepared to retaliate massively: They would cut off shipments of the emulsifier gum arabic, thereby depriving the world of cola.

"I want you to know that the gum arabic which runs all the soft drinks all over the world, including the United States, mainly 80 percent is imported from my country," the ambassador said after raising a bottle of Coca-Cola.

A reporter asked if Sudan was threatening to "stop the export of gum arabic and bring down the Western world."

"I can stop that gum arabic and all of us will have lost this," Khartoum Karl warned anew, beckoning to the Coke bottle. "But I don't want to go that way."

As diplomatic threats go, that one gets high points for creativity: Try to stop the killings in Darfur, and we'll take away your Coca-Cola.

Re:Argument goes something like... (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694451)

Repeat every 6 years until the whole thing melts and/or people realise that country borders are arbitrary and their first responsibility should be to the human race.
Or until someone starts sending out naval ships & building military bases.

It is cheaper to exploit the North Pole than to deal with dictators in Africa or the Middle East and one would have to be naive to think that Russia doesn't have military plans drawn up to prevent someone from staking a claim.

Re:Argument goes something like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19695177)

All the other parties that might have a claim are members of NATO. Using military force against any of them would trigger a world of hurt.

Re:Argument goes something like... (4, Interesting)

VirusEqualsVeryYes (981719) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694461)

Repeat every 6 years until ... people realise that ... their first responsibility should be to the human race.


What? This won't happen until the "human race" has a common enemy. We are tribal in nature, so humans will always fight at the highest level of categorization, and those categories will only unite when they have a common thing to fight against. It's possible that natural disaster could become a common enemy, but it's more likely that we will remain infighting until we find a sentient alien race (or said alien race finds us).

So, expect to see this fight over an ice cap go on for awhile. It won't matter in the long run, once we have to start worrying about other planets.

Re:Argument goes something like... (2, Interesting)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694685)

If the marketers can convince everyone to pay $1.50 for a bottle of water, perhaps they can convince everyone to accept poverty or ignorance as a common enemy.

Re:Argument goes something like... (1)

notamisfit (995619) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694843)

But the IPCC wants to convince us that prosperity and skepticism are common enemies....

Maybe I'm missing your joke (1)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695071)

But I have no idea what you mean by that statement. It sounds vaguely like a dig at the IPCC, except for the fact that it's complete nonsense. They've never made such a comment, or anything close to such a comment. Was this meant as a joke? If so, could you explain?

Re:Argument goes something like... (0)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695103)

Isn't it very ironic for Al Gore's latest book to be titled "The Assault on Reason"?

Re:Argument goes something like... (1)

Plutonite (999141) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695095)

If that happens (and it won't, aliens don't exist - we are a probabilistic anomaly in a finite universe) then religious extremism will probably lead to it being seen as Armageddon, and the others can die/go to hell for all they care. Maybe if you help the non-believers survive you will go to hell with them and be killed anyway, whilst if you die on your own you are rewarded by the cleansing of your sins. Instincts(nature) can be overridden by sufficiently strong theology/philosophy /cultural norm(nurture). They will be willing to die alone rather than with the heathen.

Hyperbole and exaggerations (2, Insightful)

Jeremy_Bee (1064620) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694593)

This news has been all over the last couple of days and almost every story lays out the issue as "Russia claims Entire North Pole!!!" (or something similar), when in fact they have done no such thing.

Ironically, the map most used to claim that "OMG! Russia wants it all!" is the one from the BBC (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42433000/gi f/_42433630_arctic_ice_map416_3.gif [bbc.co.uk]) which shows their supposedly outrageous claim based on the sea-floor ridge argument. If one compares that to the more sedate, reasonable NYT analysis here: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/09/inter national/20051010_ARCTIC_GRAPHIC_2.html [nytimes.com]... they are almost the same.

Both of the "rational" divisions of the territory in the NYT story approximate the exact same area of the "outrageous" division that everyone is upset about. In fact they go a bit further in that they extend Russian territory all the way to the pole. Also, speaking as a Canadian, there is no way that the Russians would be able to claim "all of the arctic" in any event. Canada would fight before that happened (seriously).

It's also interesting that as recently as last year, the US was trying to claim that territory on the Canadian side of the pole was actually all theirs, but because this would be unlikely to anger anyone in the US, it was no big controversy about it in the media. Only in Canada did the idea of the US annexing territory at the North Pole that clearly belongs to Canada get any media play at all. It seems to me that this is really a non-story that is only getting media attention because it's those evil "Ruskies" doing it.

Re:Argument goes something like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694729)

If you think that your responsibility is to the human race, the people who think their responsibility is to themselves will thank you and walk right over you.

We think we're so civilized, but if civilizations are judged by their ability to forego individual gain to avert a total loss for all, our largest forms of organization fare no better than animals. Nation states are egoistic, savage entities that grab what they can. The last attempt of bringing cooperation and a semblance of conscience to this level of human organization, the UN, failed due to the instrumentalization by its most powerful member states. People are waking up. They realize that restraint is not to the benefit of all, but to the benefit of those who choose not to restrain themselves. This realization has all but killed civilization, and with more technology and higher concentrations of power, our chance to survive another iteration of coming to our senses after a war is dropping fast.

First half of that sentence... (3, Informative)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695085)

Repeat every 6 years until the whole thing melts...
Since everyone else is picking on the second half of that sentence, I'll pick on the first half. :)
The reason there's so much recent fighting over it is that the Arctic Ocean becomes more valuable after the "whole thing melts" and not less valuable. It will be easier to access the oil, and there are shipping rights involved.

Sounds like the start.... (3, Funny)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694253)

..of another cold war.

Thanks, I'll be here all night. Tip your waitress and try the Veal.

Re:Sounds like the start.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694299)

The Russkies killed Santa! Those bastards!

-- North Park

War! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694255)

The Russians claim part of the North Pole...
Then, they're going to go to war with the planet because we're melting their North Pole with our global warming stuff.

There's only one clear cut resolution to this...
I'd write it here, if only I had more space in the margin.

Or is it Canada's? (5, Interesting)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694265)

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,211328 9,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront [guardian.co.uk]

Yesterday, however, some scientists doubted whether Russia's latest Arctic grab stood up to scrutiny.

To extend a zone, a state has to prove that the structure of the continental shelf is similar to the geological structure within its territory. Under the current UN convention on the laws of the sea, no country's shelf extends to the North Pole. Instead, the International Seabed Authority administers the area around the pole as an international area.

"Frankly I think it's a little bit strange," Sergey Priamikov, the international co-operation director of Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute in St Petersburg, told the Guardian. "Canada could make exactly the same claim. The Canadians could say that the Lomonosov ridge is part of the Canadian shelf, which means Russia should in fact belong to Canada, together with the whole of Eurasia."

----
Pwned! All your base are belong to ... Canada!!

Re:Or is it Canada's? (1)

FreeKill (1020271) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694525)

Canada needs more land. It's just a dinky little country already. It's time it made a real stab at becoming the largest country, instead of simply settling for second!

Re:Or is it Canada's? (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694971)

No, what they NEED is a little bit of that global warming goodness. Quality of land, not quantity.

-matthew

Re:Or is it Canada's? (3, Insightful)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694563)

The whole thing is dumb! Why should a ridge in the sea floor 3000ft under water give anyone claim to anything above the water??? By that standard, anyone could lay arbitrary claim to anything on earth just because there was some sort of geographic similarity or geologic connection. Anyway, the other end of the ridge is connected to Canada so is the premise is valid, then Canada has just as much claim to the territory as Russia. Actually, I think a war should be fought to determine the owner...would be interesting history making to wage war in that type of environment...

Re:Or is it Canada's? (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694857)

I think a war should be fought to determine the owner...would be interesting history making to wage war in that type of environment...

heh...Canada would lose big time to the Russians, unless the United States came to their rescue. The Canadians have chosen throughout their history to devote somewhat less to military spending than other nations, which is not necessarily a bad thing. However, it does mean that one cannot go around spoiling for a fight with those nations that *have* spent massively on their militaries.

Re:Or is it Canada's? (1)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694941)

Yes, the one plane in the Canadian air force is not much of a threat to anyone. But lets not forget that Alaska borders this disputed area as well. I'm sure the US could find an excuse to lay claim and get the ol' war machine headed north. Denmark has already spoken up with claims being that Greenland is one of it's territories and borders the area as well (also might have a connection to the same ridge as well).

Re:Or is it Canada's? (1)

puppetman (131489) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694609)

The Arctic is a very fragile ecosystem that is already feeling the effects of toxic chemicals used elsewhere in the world [bbc.co.uk] - I'd have serious concerns that it would be safe to extract gas and oil in that sort of environment. The Russians have had other catastrophic technological [wikipedia.org] that significantly reduces my faith in their ability to do this properly.

They also drink far too much [wn.com] to be in charge of such an important project. Which brings me to my point - as nice as the Russians may be, we already have Quebec - one dissatisfied non-English speaking nation at a time, please.

Re:Or is it Canada's? (1)

niceone (992278) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694627)

That actually makes a lot of sense. I think if you took a global poll asking which country people would least object to running the whole world, Canada would come #1. I for one welcome etc.

Re:Or is it Canada's? (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694921)

You can thank Rick Moranis for that one. Any movie based on acquiring beer is sure to win the worlds love and respect.

Re:Or is it Canada's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694923)

Your comment brings tears to my patriotic, Canadian eyes.

Re:Or is it Canada's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694669)

Not only Canada.. Denmark is also working on coming up with proof that part of the North Pole belong to them due to Greenland.

Yay Global Warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694269)

1) Global Warming Melts the ice
2) Drill for oil
3) Burn the oil
4) Cause more warming
5) Melt more ice
6) Profit!

Hooray. (2, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694291)

Russia is trying to expand the size of its energy hammer. It's nice to see that Putin is trying to bring back the good old times of the Cold War, MAD and Europe as ground zero for Russia's battle for world supremacy.

"Good old times" (4, Interesting)

Soulfader (527299) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694523)

You are probably more right than you know [wordpress.com]. The first step is to convince people that things weren't really that bad.

Plain simple truth (1)

MikePlacid (512819) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695063)

What Putin said is a plain simple truth. If looking at a plain simple truth you realize that "things weren't really that bad" - you can reject either 1) truth or 2) "that" as in "that bad". Your choice.

Well if we are claiming by ranges... (5, Funny)

The0retical (307064) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694301)

Can the US claim Quebec and Nova Scotia since the Appalachian mountains run into them?

Re:Well if we are claiming by ranges... (5, Funny)

y2imm (700704) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694357)

"Can the US claim Quebec..."

Would you? Please! We'll explain it all later, promise :-)

Yours truly,
English Canada

Re:Well if we are claiming by ranges... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694501)

Ha ha ha. Funny because it's true. "Take Toronto, too..."

Re:Well if we are claiming by ranges... (1)

Lockejaw (955650) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694517)

Hey, the last thing we need is another secession attempt!

Re:Well if we are claiming by ranges... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694799)

i doubt that was sarcastic, really, the last thing canada needs is to keep quebec

Re:Well if we are claiming by ranges... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694379)

Can the US claim Quebec and Nova Scotia since the Appalachian mountains run into them?
No, but US can claim Quebec and Nova Scotia by virtue of US having a bigger army (and nukes).

Re:Well if we are claiming by ranges... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694467)

Can the US claim Quebec...

Yes! Go for it.

And Canada can claim the western US, since the Rocky Mountains run through there.

the irony (1)

wwmedia (950346) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694341)

the irony! global warming melts polar caps that help make drilling for more oil/gas easier...

Russia Claims Large Chunk of North Pole (4, Insightful)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694361)

And here I thought the North Pole was a single infinitely small point.

Re:Russia Claims Large Chunk of North Pole (1)

2short (466733) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694691)

You were wrong. It is a single point, but "infinitely small" is meaningless.

A Modern Day Warrior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694369)

In other news..

Poland claims large chunk of Rush.

Just give it to them (1)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694415)

At least the Russians have the balls to go there and get the oil and gas out. To hell with the baby seals and polar bears.

Re:Just give it to them (5, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694583)

At least the Russians have the balls to go there and get the oil and gas out. To hell with the baby seals and polar bears.

The bears and seals have had, literally, thousands of years to exploit these resources. If they aren't going to use it they should darn well stand aside for someone who is, period.

They had their chance.

let them have it (2, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694429)

and then hold them accountable for preventing it from melting

if they can do that, they can keep it

i'm dead serious

and in my mind, i grant them wide latitude in what they can do to prevent it from melting

leadership and power is not static, something delivered form simple provenance. leadership and power is based on your ability to solve problems. it doesn't matter who solves global warming, but whomever does, goes the spoils of mankind's gratitude and fealty

but apparently, more people are interested in blame games and incriminations (on the left) and outright denial on the right. apparently, no one is interested in solutions. some guys proposed seeding dead areas of the ocean to increase carbon dioxide sequesterization, and they were opposed by environmentalists

you can't have it both ways folks: either global warming is a problem, and you want a solution, or global warming is not a problem, and it needs no solution. but you can't claim it's a problem, and then block any attempt at a solution. that's logically and morally unworkable. if you make noise about global warming, and block all attempts at solutions (hint: NO solution carries no risks or negative sideeffects) then you reveal yourself to believe in global warming only insofar that you can use it as a political football

Re:let them have it (1)

enjerth (892959) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694659)

and then hold them accountable for preventing it from melting
Not exactly.

Let them have it. Then convince the idiotic masses that, since Russia is melting it's polar cap, we need to launch a preemptive strike against Russia before they flood our coastal cities.

Re:let them have it (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694849)

and then hold them accountable for preventing it from melting

But if it's ice, it's a lot harder to get at the oil than if it's melted and has a moderate climate.

I for one... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694445)

I for one, welcome our new Arctic-owning coal-wielding Russian overlords.

ummm (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694499)

Europe connects to Russia as well, and so does China, are they claiming those land masses as well?

PirateBay & Sealand (2, Funny)

Adeptus_Luminati (634274) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694507)

Hmmm... If those guys from PirateBay or Sealand were smart, they'd pick a spot right near smack in the middle of the North Pole & buy it from Russia... ... with such centralized location with potential pipes going to Canada, US, Russia, Norway (North America, Asia, Europe), they'd have their redundancy fully covered!

On top of that just think of all the money they'd save on server cooling! hehe

Adeptus

another of those iraq war side effects (1)

jt418-93 (450715) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694509)

now that the us military is over committed and short on hardware, russia has decided to take this land. and if they start moving troops in there to defend it, wtf is the us going to do? send the boy scouts?

Re:another of those iraq war side effects (1)

mroberts47 (1073802) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694577)

I for one have complete confidence in the boy scouts to beat back the ensuing Russian horde.

Re:another of those iraq war side effects (1)

Bat Country (829565) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694893)

As a former boy scout, I must profess complete confidence in their ability to at least finish melting it. Fire!

Artic (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694511)

You misspelled atic.

captcha: cruder

Slownewsday? (1)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694537)

Why is it that all of a sudden that all articles that deal with matters of concern in the real world are getting tagged as slownewsday? Seems like a pretty deal to me that Russia is claiming part of the North Pole, or that the Supreme Court dramatically changed price fixing rules.

Uh, the Danish claim? (2, Interesting)

Svippy (876087) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694567)

I am pondering why the Danish possible claim [bbc.co.uk] is not mentioned. In fact, Denmark would like Russia to wait a bit with their land proposal, until we have our scientific basis to claim the North Pole. Also, Santa Clause lives in Greenland, not Finland or the North Pole.

Stupid Russia (1)

cpt.hugenstein (1025183) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694619)

The Russian leaders must be kicking their ancestors in the face for selling Alaska. Stupid Canada for not buying it. Our ancestors should be punched in the balls for that dumb mistake. I propose we trade the St.Lawence Quebec region for Alaska. Its not like Alaskans want to be american nor Quebecers want to be Canadian. Maple Syrup for Oil!!

Food Plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694631)

Okay, who put Russia on that "food plan"?

"All my life I've fought imperialism and now, suddenly, I AM the expanding Russian frontier."

Domino theory (2, Funny)

athloi (1075845) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694653)

First the North Pole, then Canada, then Michigan and finally all of Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Can't you see they've come to take our precious bodily fluids?

Now, if Russia or a contractor to Russia (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694687)

can develop technology to extract the oil from the rumored/claimed Siberian oil/ice, then Russia will probably eclipse even Saudi. Maybe Communism will see a "renassaince" or some resurgence? Maybe Russia will be able to pay its citizens some $70,000 or $100,000 a year? Maybe Russia will show the US a thing or two about extracting oil out of California's coast and out of Colorado and Alaska?

Anyone else misread that as... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19694815)

..."Russia Claims Large Chuck Norris Pole"?

What about the South Pole? (1)

Ripplestrip (1122187) | more than 6 years ago | (#19694959)

Given that our Northern Partners want to grab as much of the North Pole why don't us Southerners do the same? Being an Aussie our sheer horizontal coastline size would give us the largest chunk by far! ;)

well that play was obvious (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695001)

I guess the arctic circle didn't have a flag.

Eddie Izzard: "We stole countries! That's how you build an empire. We stole countries with the cunning use of flags! Just sail halfway around the world, stick a flag in. "I claim India for Britain." And they're going, "You can't claim us. We live here! There's five hundred million of us." "Do you have a flag?" "We don't need a bloody flag, this is our country you bastard!" "No flag, no country! You can't have one. That's the rules... that... I've just made up! And I'm backing it up with this gun..."

Life imitates art. (1)

qualidafial (967876) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695013)

Anybody else been reading "The Bear and the Dragon" by Tom Clancy lately? This is exactly the event in the book that precipitates China launching a massive invasion on Russia.

I better go make some popcorn.

Its about sea lanes not oil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19695051)

The melting of the polar ice cap is allowing for new lucrative sea routes which Putin values more than oil.

If it was upto US... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19695163)

At least Russia is attempting to do it through peaceful and official means and not just taking over territory as it sees fit. If USA decided to claim Arctic-stan, it would have been annexed by the decree of Warlord Bush and without anyone's permission.

I'm not in favour of either side as I live in Canada. But the comments seems to be one-sided and hypocritical. It is time to get out of your ColdWar mindset, and look at things objectively. Neither side is perfect, but lately US has been the aggressor (meddling in other sovereign countrys' businesses). Doesn't make it OK for Russia to do whatever it wants to, but it is doing it through well-established and civilized means.

Let them. (1)

tool462 (677306) | more than 6 years ago | (#19695189)

It will set a handy precedent. Eventually the earth will hit another ice age, and as the ocean water recedes, we will lay claim to all of Russia, on account of it being connected to the US via the land bridge in the Bering Strait. It's genius, I tell you.
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