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Tangible Display Makes 3D Touchable

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the haptic-happenstance dept.

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moon_monkey writes "Researchers in Japan have developed a display that makes 3D objects solid enough to grasp. The system, created by engineers at Japan's NTT, combines a 3D display with a haptic glove, making 3D items that look real but also feel solid to touch. Two cameras are used to image an object, to make the 3D image. A computer also uses this to render a solid representation. It could be used to inspect products remotely, or even to shake hands with someone on the other side of the world, the researchers say."

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Who is driving? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19712613)

Bear is driving!
How can that be (first post)?

Re:Who is driving? (0, Troll)

Enlightenment (1073994) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713011)

I would very much like to know how this relates to haptic glove technology.

Re:Who is driving? (1)

satoshi1 (794000) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713085)

You can punch the bear before he drives you off a cliff.

Re:Who is driving? (2, Insightful)

nlitement (1098451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713419)

It's really exciting to finally find a new brother, enlightenment. :)

Re:Who is driving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19715625)

Big American Party!

Re:Who is driving? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713737)

YHBT YHL HAND

Did somebody say McDonald's? (4, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712619)

And by "McDonald's", I of course mean "teledildonics" [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Did somebody say McDonald's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19712991)

I prefer the term "haptic condoms" - that should make youporn.com much more exciting.

Re:Did somebody say McDonald's? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713165)

I am NOT letting a BIONIC HAND controlled by some sicko on the internet lock itself around my nutsack...

Re:Did somebody say McDonald's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19715909)

I am NOT letting a BIONIC HAND controlled by some sicko on the internet lock itself around my nutsack...
Hell yes!!! Bring on the carpal tunnel!

Re:Did somebody say McDonald's? (1)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19721233)

When I heard Nelson speak the term he used was psycho-acoustic-tele-dildonics... I think that's what he used in Computer Lib and Dream Machines too but my copy was filched many years ago...

How long until this is in the home? (3, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712641)

I think porn manufacturers just popped a woody. Making it feel "real" is probably a long way off though, especially for home use.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (4, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712721)

Knowing the pr0n industry, and guys in general - 5 years, tops.

Then we'll be reading stories about people who die of starvation because they were so caught up in their cybersex world, that they forgot to eat, sleep, etc., and just died.

And there will be clinics for cybersextoy addicts.

And law suits.

The big question for slashdotters, of course, is "Will it run linux?" This will be the first time they prefer Windows, because it can be depended to "go down on them" on a regular basis.

And no, I don't want to imagine a Boewulf Cluster of them - it would be a REAL cluster-f*ck!

Re:How long until this is in the home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713347)

They don't pee anymore! They just stop peeing.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (1)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714005)

Don't forget RSI from remote sex0rz!

Re:How long until this is in the home? (1, Insightful)

MidnightBrewer (97195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715351)

Luckily, Nature has a built-in cure for sex addicts, which is called the orgasm. After the event occurs, the subject's interest in sex naturally abates for a time, and they either roll over and fall asleep or go and see what's in the fridge.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (1)

xaositects (786749) | more than 7 years ago | (#19718717)

Slashdot posts will decrease dramatically.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (2, Interesting)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19721353)

> Then we'll be reading stories about people who die of starvation because they were so caught up in their cybersex world There was a story like this in the late 60's except it wasn't just cyber sex but people in telepresence/VR couches at living out the second lives at the cost of their first lives. I can still remember the description of a scene where this guy breaks into a house and finds mountains of cartons of commercial crap (e.g. "fizzy cola" and stuff you'd find on the shopping channel) ordered on-line by the now dead user still wired into her couch...

eerily prescient book... so was the Shockwave Rider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockwave_Rider [wikipedia.org] . Stand On Zanzibar and The Sheep Look Up books written in the 70's by John Brunner... he predicted a lot of of stuff very accurately including network worms etc.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (1)

Nybble's Byte (321886) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712849)

Maybe so, but I'm willing to test it for them.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (3, Interesting)

Wicko (977078) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713989)

I will be the first person to ever receive a vjob.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19726671)

and I will be the first person to ever administer a vjob.

  ~ sketchy 67year old fat guy, screen-name = sexxxyVeronica19

Re:How long until this is in the home? (4, Funny)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714201)

Making it feel "real" is probably a long way off though, especially for home use.
...as opposed to work use..?

Re:How long until this is in the home? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715927)

Work use being the ones they hinted at in the article. Letting molecular biologists touch and manipulate molecules that they're visualizing, etc...

Additionally, the cheap home model will probably not be as good as an expensive commercial models.

Re:How long until this is in the home? (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715987)

I was referring to the pr0n angle ;)

White glove treatment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19712643)

"It could be used to inspect products remotely, or even to shake hands with someone on the other side of the world, the researchers say."

Yeah! No more worrying about cooties.

Has to be said... (4, Insightful)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712717)

Get money from pr0n kingpins. Bring them into the family and let them subsidize this tech/form their own group of researchers to specifically pursue porn related applications. It will get to market so much faster than if left to academics..

My interest would be to explore new human/computer interactions (not like that sickos). The 2d nature of monitor systems is only slightly less annoying with the new 3d super gee whiz flying through space multiple workspace navigation systems.

A haptic glove with sensitive feedback mechanisms and a graphical interface that allows organization of workspaces/workspace elements in an untethered 3d environment is something I have always wanted. Add in some good voice recognition and a chair designed so you can rest your arms while still retaining full range of motion with the gloved hand.

It would be the interface of my dreams.

Re:Has to be said... (3, Insightful)

snilloc (470200) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712965)

The 2d nature of monitor systems is only slightly less annoying with the new 3d super gee whiz flying through space multiple workspace navigation systems.

While 3d workspaces certainly would have their applications (medicine for instance), IMO for the average individual 3d would be merely re-creating the physical workspace that the 2d interface replaced. The 2d space is useful because it is an abstraction/simplification of the work that was previously done in 3d.

Re:Has to be said... (1)

neomunk (913773) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714269)

Telepresence as I understand it has unlimited engineering possibilities, not just medical (which is a specific type of engineering really, just a massively complicated one) but besides any industrial type usage it's mostly a social tool.

I mean, really, as far as talking to people goes, the telephone is enough. It's the ultimate evolution in long distance communication taken as a basic concept.

But.

Videoconferencing is just so much nicer, you can see the smiles or the anger of the person on the other side, filling in more sensory data that we've evolved to take in as a whole package over our entire lifespan, making the connection more 'real' to us. This is one more sense to be added. I remember hearing something about a "smell printer" a while back too. Having said all that, I flat out refuse to stick my tongue in any piece of consumer electronics to get the whole 'Fully Sensory' package.

The point is, it's something to help bridge the gap between the conscious mind and the very sensory-based animal we still are.

Re:Has to be said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19716223)

yeah i liked johnny mnemonic too :)

Re:Has to be said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713055)

It would be the interface of my dreams.

Would these be dry or wet dreams, I wonder...

Re:Has to be said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713505)

A haptic glove with sensitive feedback mechanisms and a graphical interface that allows organization of workspaces/workspace elements in an untethered 3d environment is something I have always wanted. Add in some good voice recognition and a chair designed so you can rest your arms while still retaining full range of motion with the gloved hand. It would be the interface of my dreams.

Whoa there, slow down Comic Book Guy...

You couldn't handle it. (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#19721565)

I don't think there's a geek in the world with the sheer physical strength [ok-cancel.com] to work with that interface for very long.

application (-1, Redundant)

jzeejunk (878194) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712727)

one application i can think of is cyb3r s3x

Re:application (3, Funny)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712799)

No SHIT!

That is SO INSIGHTFUL! I'm REELING at the POSSIBILITIES!

iPhone 5G rumored to get Tangible Display (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19712739)

c'mon you know that would attract more attention... what would Slashdot be without a iPhone title in every other story?

Move along (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19712751)

This can only be from the country that invented Paper Mario. In America, all 3D objects are solid enough to grasp.

Re:Move along (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712787)

"In America, all 3D objects are solid enough to grasp.

Darn, I'd hate to be flying in your fog!

... or trying to dive into your swimming pool.

BTW, how's breathing that 2D air thing going?

Re:Move along (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19721275)

You think that's air you're breathing?

YESSSSSSSSS!!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19712763)

*runs out to buy lube*

Back to the Future (3, Funny)

glittalogik (837604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712867)

Where we're going, you won't need lube...

on bodies (-1, Offtopic)

MrGHemp (189288) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712793)

One of the things that keeps me from believing in "grays", "blues" or whatever type of alien you may or may not believe has visited earth is the relative closemess to the human form they take. For example the common "gray" alien compared to your average human is shorter, has a bigger head, almond shaped eyes, slim body... basicly what you'd think a human who evolved in the brains department but lacked a need for work over many generations of evolution might look like. So if you told me these were future time human travelers... well that would make WAY more sense to me than some race of beings that evolved on another planet.

THESE "ALIENS" ARE SIMPLY TOO MUCH LIKE US FOR ME TO BUY IT.

Millions of years of evolution on a planet with a similiar but slightly different enviroment (and certianly different history) than to ours would produce life forms that would be so strange to us we might not even be able to identify them as life... let alone look like humans with big heads. The basic components of a mamal would likely not be present at all in a true alien. You give me something with a head containing a mouth, two eyes, nose, ears... plus four lims, a spine... hell bones for that matter... it's crazy to think an alien would look or have body functions anything remotely like us.

Now to the whole "they seeded this planet to create us" crowd... well why the hell did they? They would have been just as likely to get a planet full of lizards and dogs to us... and oh new germs, bacteria & etc. compatabile with them but for which they have now defense... yeah right.

I'm just hoping no one responds to this with something from the Bible proving they are aliens...

Is it just me, or did they just maybe have something other than an alien craft land there?

Re:on bodies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19712817)

ummm... wrong thread amigo. You wanted the previous one.

Re:on bodies (1)

MrGHemp (189288) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712885)

oops... still scratching my head oh how that happened... maybe the aliens didn't want this known... hehehe

Re:on bodies (1)

martin_henry (1032656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713037)

I'm just hoping no one responds to this with something from the Bible proving they are aliens...
We don't need Scripture to tell us that your post is alien.

Re:on bodies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713109)

Mod parent insightful for shits sake!

Re:on bodies (3, Funny)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713367)

You had me at, "Hello".

Re:on bodies (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714229)

Well what about panspermia [wikipedia.org] ?

And more importantly perhaps, what does this have to do with tanglble 3D displays? ;)

Wait (2, Insightful)

ZachMG (1122511) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712803)

So does this mean that there is a possibility of realtime or "live" 3D encounters, no I do not think so. At this point it may be able to scan in one object and display it for feeling but doing it where new things can be scanned and created anywhere realtime would need processing power way beyond what we have so to all you sickos out there this probably wont be of much use if you like anything better then a plastic bag full of Vaseline.

Processing easy, not lying hard (2, Insightful)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715661)

I don't imagine any heavy processing requirements here. Collision detection on 3D objects is done in almost every 3D game. The nodes in the glove are equivalent to a few other moving game objects colliding with the 3d object in question. How many games have you seen that can handle that workload? Quite a few, I think.

This article is B.S., though. This isn't a "tactile display", it's just a 3D display, much like we've had for decades, with a force feedback glove attached.

Re:Processing easy, not lying hard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19722393)

You'd be surprised.

For the eyes you only need to do 30 fps. Hands can feel all the way into low sound frequencies. This means you have to do your collision detection thousands of times a secon or it'll feel like you're wearing gloves.

Tits? (3, Funny)

imag0 (605684) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712827)

Tits?

Wake me when there's tits and we'll talk. /mmmm. downloadable b00bies.

Re:Tits? (1)

ZX3 Junglist (643835) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713457)

They produced your prototype already, but strangely,
all they could say was that "it feels like... a bag of sand"

Re:Tits? (1)

Warbothong (905464) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714481)

Their 2 camera system seems quite neat, but there would be no way of producing realistic consistency from images. In other words, without someone programming it in manually then your cyberboobs will feel like they're made of concrete. I suppose an electronic force meter could be used to poke various materials to get their feedback, but even without that it would still be good for the female version.

Re:Tits? (1)

mikael (484) | more than 7 years ago | (#19724553)

Have you seen the Haptic Pen [royalsociety.org] . It provides feedback based on the type of material. A solid surface locks the system, while soft squishy materials just slow the pen down a bit.

Safety First! (1)

tcolberg (998885) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712853)

Before we deploy this, could we make sure the safety systems work? Otherwise, I don't know how many crappy stories we'd hear about being trapped by them due to the commonly occurring alien weapon, energy burst, or 19th-century super-villain.

Re:Safety First! (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713315)

Oh, and can we make sure that the safeties can't be disengaged? Oh, unless we're being attacked by the Borg, in which case disengaging the safeties is a good thing.

Old news (3, Interesting)

Scutter (18425) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712909)

I remember using a haptic glove like this at Comdex like 10 years ago. The display wasn't 3D, but other than that, it was essentially the same thing. The glove had force-feedback motors in each fingertip and when you grasped one of the objects on the screen, they provided tactile feedback representing mass, weight, and to a much lesser extent, texture. In the demonstration, you had to stack blocks of varying types. Very simplistic, but also very very cool. I always wondered where the tech went since I never saw it again after that.

Re:Old news (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713271)

Suddenly telecommuting opens new dimensions, like slapping your boss's avatar in the face (low tech version invented by the Japanese as well)

Re:Old news (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713341)

Last time I looked at them, they were hideously expensive and there was no applications for them (and yes, I suppose those two are related).

Seems to be the case with a lot of things these days. People want to make the early adopters pay for the privilege of being first, that's fine, but you actually have to give away units to third party developers too, or you'll never get a killer app.

Non-pr0n applications (5, Interesting)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 7 years ago | (#19712959)

So, I'm the 14th person to comment, so I'm 14 people too late to point out the pr0n application. So here's a few nifty, but not dirty, uses:

  1. Music lessons on the computer.
  2. Virtual keyboard/mouse. Hey, that portable computer just became a lot closer.
  3. Controlling robots.

Shoot, I'm sorry, I'm too excited about the pr0n application. Will these gloves be waterproof for easy cleaning?

Re:Non-pr0n applications (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715887)

How about remote surgery for battlefield and accident scene first aid?

Re:Non-pr0n applications (1)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 7 years ago | (#19717915)

Seriously.

Porn-hungry Slashdotters need to get their minds out of the gutter and start thinking about things other than porn. Even though I don't have much to say on TFA, I feel it necessary to balance out the discussion by contributing a comment that does not even mention porn. Not even once!

- RG>

Problems... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713105)

Last time I checked, the problem with haptic stuff was that the update interval was too slow - touch required something like 1 khz refresh times ... how has this been fixed?

(Im too lazy to log in so how the hell am I going to rtfa)

How about... (1)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713111)

Games, you momos! Yes, sex is fun, too, but games are fun... also... Yeah...

Imagine wielding a "REAL" sword and having it slice through "REAL" flesh. Or... or... Damn it all, just forget what I just said. Sex is far better.

Re:How about... (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713179)

Besides, the Wii came out. I think a multipurpose instrument you wave around, being simpiler to deal with in a program, will be far better.

First this, then the holodeck... (1)

igotmybfg (525391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713113)

...shortly thereafter, the human era will be ended.

Hey, I can make porn jokes about this story too... (1)

Cappy Red (576737) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713181)

... well, I could, but the other posters in this thread already made all of them.

Re:Hey, I can make porn jokes about this story too (2, Funny)

fireheadca (853580) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715441)

Who says they're joking?

I've had a Logitech Force feedback for years. (1)

x1n933k (966581) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713225)

I have the monitor that shows a control stick of an aircraft and when there are G's or damage taken it shakes and I feel it. Nothing new.

Re:I've had a Logitech Force feedback for years. (1)

deftcoder (1090261) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713375)

If you're going to be a pro Slashdotter and not read the article, at least read the headline so that the comments you post actually make *SENSE*.

real cybersex (1)

SilverBlade2k (1005695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713233)

One more step towards a true cybersex experience!

I work in Japan... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19713333)

...and I think this is how they have been handing me my paychecks.

Oblig (1)

onosson (1107107) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713377)

In Soviet Russia, 3d tangible display touches you!

Does it work this time? (2, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713655)

This idea goes back a long way. I think it was first tried in the 1970s, using the input end of a remote manipulator arm intended for handling radioactive material. It's been done dozens of times since then. The problem is doing it well.

We have enough compute power now to get the lag down to a few milliseconds, which was a big problem ten years ago. Then it's mostly a mechanical design problem. Most of the devices so far were too clunky. Is this one better?

Yes! (2, Funny)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19713785)

Sweet setup! Im buying one as soon as they finish programming "Three Stooges: The Game" on that puppy!

Re:Yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19719983)

"Im buying one as soon as they finish programming "Three Stooges: The Game" on that puppy!"

"Kelso turns Pong into touch VR: the game":

"Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk", "Owww! My eye!", "Owww! My eye".

Misleading subject and a question (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714081)

Did anyone else notice?

"... Makes 3D Touchable"
"...makes 3D objects solid enough to grasp."

And yet:

"... also feel solid to touch."

How exactly is feeling solid to the touch, i.e. having the illusion of being solid, that same as actually being solid, as both the title and first sentence rather clearly state? Sheesh.

Regardless, I'm kinda curious... given that it only creates the illusion of solidity, if as suggested one were to shake hands virtually using the device, what would happen if one were to do a Schwartzenegger and squeeze too tightly? Would the other person wince in agony?

Re:Misleading subject and a question (1)

deviceb (958415) | more than 7 years ago | (#19717457)

if the glove were designed with a certain threshold of allowed "pain" -maybe it only crushes your hand slightly, not enough to break bones.. this comes back to how clunky the thing would be..
If I'm spanking a cyberbooty i kinda want my hand to sting a bit ya know? and yet i don't want to have a 30lbs glove on it.

besides pr0n.. there are endless uses for this technology

Finally... (3, Funny)

Heston (1122839) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714197)

A device which allows us to punch people in the face....OVER THE Internet!

Re:Finally... (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714267)

I believe the killer app will be related to spam.

Re:Finally... (1)

Jords (826313) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715733)

<Zybl0re> get up

<Zybl0re> get on up

<Zybl0re> get up

<Zybl0re> get on up

<phxl|paper> and DANCE

* nmp3bot dances :D-<

* nmp3bot dances :D|-<

* nmp3bot dances :D/-<

<[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet



http://bash.org/?4281 [bash.org]

Re:Finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19722255)

But first you have to get them to pull on a Telewhamtastic Superhero Mask. And be careful or they'll bite your finger off!

VRML! (2, Funny)

VariableGHz (1099185) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714373)

Yes! Finally! Everyone was laughing when I said VRML was the future, now who's got the last laugh? h0 h0 h0!

Hail the 3-touchable-red-cubes!

serious applications? (1)

kwikrick (755625) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714375)

NTT engineer Shiro Ozawa, who developed the system, envisages various applications. "You would be able to take the hand, or gently pat the head, of your beloved grandchild who lives far away from you," he says.
My god, how stupid is that? Can't they come up with some serious applications?

No, probably not. The usefulness of this kind of tech is actually quite low. First all, they don't specify what kind of 3D display they use, but from the picture it looks like they using a simple LCD, and presumably shutter glasses. Makes sense, because it's the cheapest 3D solution, but not ideal 3D display technology. It means for example, if you move your head, the 3D image will deform and the tactile feedback will no longer correspond with the image exactly.

So don't use this one for virtual surgery!

Still, it's cute they try to bring this kind of tech to hobbyists. I wonder what it costs.

Re:serious applications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19723061)

So don't use this one for virtual surgery! Still, it's cute they try to bring this kind of tech to hobbyists. I wonder what it costs.

Sounds like PCs 20 years ago. Minicomputers forever! PCs are not for serious work!

gently?! pshhh (1)

VariableGHz (1099185) | more than 7 years ago | (#19714421)

...or gently pat the head, of your beloved grandchild who lives far away from you

Let's be realistic -- beat the crap out of him!

Calling Something Other Than What It Is..... (1)

IHC Navistar (967161) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715199)

This is NOT what they are calling it.

How can it be a 'tangible 3D display" if you have to wear a special glove connected to a computer and a 2D monitor?

A DISPLAY is a device for VISUALLY interpreting something. A TANGIBLE DISPLAY is something that displays information that can be manipulated BY the hand directly, not manipulated by the hand THROUGH another data input system.

A real tangible display would be something that can display images or data 3-dimensionally, and would allow the displayed data or image to be directly manipulated or sensed as it is displayed. If you have to use a glove to sense the tactility of objects, then you are not using a 3D display, but are coupling a 2D display for visual information *AND* a tactile-feedback apparatus (in this case, a glove) for tactile sensations and feedback. A good example of a tangible 3D system would be something like the '3D Holographic Communicator' that is used in Star Wars, or the holographic Faberge Egg in Ocean's Twelve, except that you would be able to manipulate the displayed image directly with your hands, UNAIDED, as well as see it.

This is the same thing as playing music on a spectrogram, on your computer, while placing your hands on speakers, and then claiming to have invented something that lets you "see and feel sounds, rather than just hear them".

Another analogy would be to claim that you have x-ray vision, but need a fluoroscope to make use of it. "We invented a Tangible 3D Display, but you need to wear a special glove connected to a 2D display and a computer to use it.".

I wish scientists would stop giving names to things that they really aren't. It's getting *VERY* irritating, and they are losing credibility because of it.

Re:Calling Something Other Than What It Is..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19715811)

So by your rules, molten steel isn't TANGIBLE because I can't put my hand in it and manipulate it unaided.

Re:Calling Something Other Than What It Is..... (1)

IHC Navistar (967161) | more than 7 years ago | (#19717431)

Considering it would pretty much vaporize upon contact, yes.

BullS**t (1)

madbawa (929673) | more than 7 years ago | (#19715309)

I think this is a load of crap that won't serve any useful purpose. How does that glove differentiate between holding the hand of a month old baby versus touching the statue of david ? The glove and all its sensors are physical i.e. that they would have to change their physical state in order to simulate different 'touches'. Otherwise some other form of feedback (e.g. electrodes in brain) may have to be thought of to simulate different 'touches'. The way its currently built, everything will feel the same. Thoughts?

Re:BullS**t (1)

radarsat1 (786772) | more than 7 years ago | (#19716279)

Actually since the virtual surfaces are modeled in software, it all depends on the parametric model you are using. So, with the appropriate model, you can modify an object's feeling of "stiffness", or make it elastically deformable, change its texture, etc. Just like how 3D graphics can have objects with different textures, bump maps, and physical behaviour.

Non-Pr0n use (1)

chord.wav (599850) | more than 7 years ago | (#19716977)

What about "video" chat for blind people where they can touch other people's faces? Wouldn't that be cool?
I'm sure p0rn apps will come out first, though.

all you can think of is porn? (1)

manifoldronin (827401) | more than 7 years ago | (#19717119)

It could be used to ... shake hands with someone on the other side of the world.

Fantastic! No more sweaty hands!

I don't see the new technology (2, Informative)

chenjeru (916013) | more than 7 years ago | (#19718285)

From the photo, the equipment on the hand looks like stuff from Immersion Corporation (http://www.immersion.com). You may remember Immersion as the company who won a lawsuit for the vibration technology in the Playstation controllers. GameDaily Biz has branded them as 'Patent Trolls'. However, it may not be their hardware - in which case please skip the next paragraph.

The Cyberglove is a tight glove with flexion sensors to register finger position and thumb rotation. That would also lead me to believe that the haptic device is Immersion's CyberGrasp. The Cybergrasp uses an exoskeleton-like device with rings that fit over each finger joint give resistive force feedback to simulate 'collision' with an object. You can do your own Google image search for the Cybergrasp. It's almost always used with a CyberGlove. The CyberForce is a force-feedback armature for providing resistance in 6 degrees to the position of your hand. It's produced with technology licensed from SensAble Technologies.

All of these pieces of hardware have been around for years. The same applies with many flavors of 3D displays. I fail to see what the new technology here is. VR people have been doing this for a long time.

NOT the display - closer to force-feedback (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 7 years ago | (#19718467)

This is NOT a 3D display which physically projects part of the screen to wrap your hands around it - this is basically a force-feedback glove with servo's on it to provide the force-feedback/touch resistance used in conjunction with a 2D flat-panel monitor providing a holographic display...

Just clearing things up for people there - cuz its only the very top of TFA, and I'm sick of shitty headlines hyping old news just to generate page views on /. or some idiot blogger who *just* saw an article on tech we knew about a month ago...

An old native american proverb... (1)

corifornia (995298) | more than 7 years ago | (#19718981)

I believe the proverb is, "a hole is a hole." As long as we can fuck it, we will, I mean they...

3d modeling. (3, Interesting)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 7 years ago | (#19719069)

Add support in blender or Maya and I'll be a happy camper. I've always wish there was a way of creating 3d models via a virtual 3d sphere that you could pull, and mold into an object vs doing it with a mouse and keyboard.

Can we all agree what "display" means? (1)

Sheepless (783722) | more than 7 years ago | (#19722027)

I don't think a "display" is a device that wraps around your hand.
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