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iPhone Interest Still Going Strong

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the dead-horses-and-flogging dept.

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Even though the iPhone has already been released into the wild, the amount of excitement surrounding this device doesn't seem to be subsiding by any measurable degree. Many readers have submitted their favorite reactions to the shiny new gizmo including a BusinessWeek report that suggests the iPhone only costs around $220 to make, a user review from MacScoop, one user's top 10 interface mistakes, a roundup of early security concerns, and details on the hardware behind the phone. Read on for more details.

Only $220 to Make an iPhone. Bomarc writes to tell us BuinessWeek is reporting that according to a recent analysis the new iPhone only costs Apple in the neighborhood of $200 ($220 for the 8-gigabyte model) to manufacture.

iPhone User Review. Alexandros Roussos writes "It has been an unforgettable week-end for the first iPhone buyers and MacScoop will now put the focus on one of them who provided to a complete review of Apple's very anticipated gizmo."

Mistakes in the iPhone Interface. Rakesh writes "I love the iPhone. It 's here to stay as my primary cell phone. But I've come across a bunch of things that make me think Apple rushed at the end to get this thing out there. Here's my list of the top 10 mistakes Apple made with the iPhone interface."

iPhone Security Roundup. An anonymous reader writes "Although some security researchers noted problems getting their iPhone activated, others wasted no time tearing the new device apart. Seth Fogie, from Airscanner, reported passwords can be found for the device from running strings obtained from the backup images through a password cracker. Robert Graham, from Errata Security, writes about Safari and Bluetooth bugs on their blog."

iPhone Hardware Details. abdulzis writes "Engadget has the scoop on the iPhone's hardware specs through a leaked firmware. 'Sascha at Gear Log seems to think given the recently discovered Samsung chip in the iPhone, perhaps the processor in question is a Samsung S3C6400, a recently-produced 667MHz ARM1176JZF-based CPU that seems to fit the bill.'"

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Who cares really? (0, Flamebait)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720845)

I mean at least who on Slashdot cares? Unless you have Apple stock, I don't think any Slashdotter is salivating.

Re:Who cares really? (3, Funny)

utopianfiat (774016) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720893)

*drool*
I'm sorry, did you say something?

Re:Who cares really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721759)

I'm sorry did you say something?
Not surprised you missed what he said, since pretty much everything has been drowned out by the mass bleating of all the sheeple running out to waste money on this thing...

-AC

Re:Who cares really? (1, Insightful)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720943)

no really sure why you earned the "flamebait" mod, other than the fact the the most rabid Apple fanboy might have taken your post as a slur on their beloved company.

You bring up a good point. I don't have an iPhone, nor will I be buying one (I couldn't even if I wanted to...) and I assume that I'm not in the minority here. So what is the need for not just about 10 stories in the past 4 days, but now about another 5 stuck in one as a form of digest.
Give it a rest.

Re:Who cares really? (4, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721191)

They've already sold more iPhones than there are active Slashdot users.

The prediction is they will move 10+ million by the end of the year.

That's who cares. It's tech. This is a tech news site. It's the biggest thing techy to happen in the past week.

He's modded flamebait because he was baiting flame.

Re:Who cares really? (2, Funny)

sokoban (142301) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720945)

Unless you have Apple stock, I don't think any Slashdotter is salivating.
I do and have for several years. And I am.

Thanks Apple for paying for my college education and a house.

Re:Who cares really? (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721051)

How can you be a Slashdotter, not watched Star Trek: The Next Generation, and NOT want an iPhone?

Re:Who cares really? (3, Interesting)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721087)

How can you be a Slashdotter, not watched Star Trek: The Next Generation, and NOT want an iPhone?

Because we are Slashdotters, we have watched Star Trek and already own a device that does everything the iPhone does. :-)

Granted it doesn't have a cool logo and look as pretty, but as geeks we aren't supposed to care about such things!

Geeks Should Care! (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721719)

The question is not what it does, it's how it does it. Are you excited about Jeff Han's multitouch displays? Then why are you not excited about having one in your pocket?

Re:Who cares really? (1)

blowdart (31458) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721623)

How can you be a Slashdotter, not watched Star Trek: The Next Generation, and NOT want an iPhone?

Because it doesn't come with a poster of Natalie Portman naked, petrified and covered in grits. Darned newbies, just don't get what makes us tick.

Re:Who cares really? (1)

i_like_spam (874080) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721101)

FYI: If those with Apple stock, shares are down as we speak [yahoo.com] (and maybe for the day).

Re:Who cares really? (2, Interesting)

kemapa (733992) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721269)

The share price is only down a small amount, which can be attributed to normal market noise. This is actually an indicator that the iPhone is performing (over 500,000 sold) just about where financial analysts expected it to. If it had outperformed expectations you'd see huge abnormal gains, and if it had underperformed you'd see enormous capital losses. These two scenarios can still occur as more information comes out about the iPhone's sales, but for the moment it appears that analysts predicted sales fairly accurately and began pricing their estimates into Apple stock from when the product was first announced.

Personally, I short sold (bet against) a large amount of Apple stock last Friday. I feel like the iPhone has been over-hyped and the Apple loyalists are influencing the share price more than they should be in a relatively efficient market.

For those who are more risk averse than I am, it's potentially a bad security to be holding at the moment. Large fluctuations in share price are certainly possible in the coming weeks if analysts turn out to be wrong in either direction.

Re:Who cares really? (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721811)

Meh. I never buy short term...All you get is capital gains tax and heartache. Buy a blue chip, and stick with them.

That being said...Apple is up about 30% since February, and that screams SELL to my mind. On the other hand, they're not seriously overcapitalized, they've got cash reserves, and their P/E is normal for a tech company (Lower mid 30s), and last time their stock hit 60 bucks a share they split it (and it's twice that value now).

I'll probably ride it out for a while. If they can really pull off the iPhone (and so far so good) it'll be worth it, and if they can't I'm not so exposed on their stock that I can't afford to take a bit of a hit. The drop right now suggests that a lot of people woke up this morning and realized (like you did) that Apple was WAY the hell up for the year, and their big product release was released, and this might be a good time to get out...Still, this is a the first generation iPhone and people are losing their minds; remember the difference between 1st gen iPod and 2nd gen iPod? If they improve it on that level, the stock will only increase.

It's all gambling though.

Re:Who cares really? (0, Troll)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721303)

I can't help wondering what sort of psychological problem leads a person to click on a topic that they know they have no interest in, apparently for the sole purpose of posting a "Who cares?" comment.

Re:Who cares really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721469)

I dunno.

Anyway, who cares?

Re:Who cares really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721693)

I can't help wondering what sort of psychological problem leads a person to click on a topic that they know they have no interest in, apparently for the sole purpose of posting a "Who cares?" comment.


You should know since you just did the exact same thing.

Re:Who cares really? (1)

Teifion (1022083) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721819)

I mean at least who on Slashdot cares? Unless you have Apple stock, I don't think any Slashdotter is salivating.

Slashdot is a news site, a geek news site at that. This is news, it's also geek news so it most certainly belongs here. However, aside from those of us that have shares in Apple, who would care? Well, anybody following the progress of the iPhone would care.

No, really? (4, Insightful)

borizz (1023175) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720851)

It's been out for what, a day or two? Longer? I wouldn't have expected it to die out so soon. Especially because it's an Apple product and they really rule at building up some hype.

Re:No, really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721333)

It's been out for what, a day or two? Longer? I wouldn't have expected it to die out so soon.


Yes, and if you take the time to at least read the title of this article, you can see that it's NOT dying out, it's actually still going strong.

STFU! (0, Flamebait)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720857)

Okay, MAYBE we need SOME news about the iPhone, HOWEVER, WE DON'T need STORIES ABOUT NEWS ABOUT THE iPhone.

Re:STFU! (2, Funny)

include($dysmas) (729935) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720955)

amen,. the intertubes need one big "STFU" notice stapling somewhere ... i mean really, its a world leader in dumb smartphones, can we please get back to news for nerds, rather than news from pr.

Re:STFU! (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720995)

Would you rather have one meta-story with links to a multitude of articles, or would you rather have all the iPhone stories interspersed throughout the meaningful content all day? I prefer we throw the iPhone junkies a bone, but keep on with the regular content the rest of the day.

Also, if you don't want to read TFA, you don't have to. You could, you know, STFU & GBTW, as your comment's subject would suggest.

Also, I'd just like to note that, for the record, I watch little TV, and I have barely noticed the hype that everyone is freaking out about. Maybe it's because I know enough to tune it out (while recognizing that *sometimes* there's an informative or interesting piece about the iPhone), or maybe it's because I choose to avoid the hype factories of morning TV network 'news'.

At any rate, it only bothers you if you let it... so take a chill pill and ignore it.

Re:STFU! (1)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721065)

Posting a story that is an aggregate of other stories would require the Slashdot editors to, you know, edit. That's not really their thing.

Re:STFU! (1)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721387)

Firstly, from what I've seen so far, this story has been in conjunction with other iPhone stories (I'm in the UK, so I may see several in a day that are posted actually over 2 half days, not that there's much difference). Secondly, its a self fulfilling article its an article saying, there are lots of articles about the iphone, and by doing that, its adding to the number of articles, and amount of hype there is, if you don't draw the line at how many iphone articles, draw it at lets just keep them simple and no articles about the hype etc...

Re:STFU! (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721571)

Hm, I never thought of Slashdot having original articles. It's an aggregator/meta site...

At any rate, I'd much rather have all the hype on one easily-avoidable story for people who are sick of it, instead of constantly.

Keep in mind though, that some people do want to see the iPhone stuff, and it's completely up to you whether or not you want to waste your time on them.

$220 to buy the parts, not "to make" (5, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720861)

Big difference, unless you'd be happy with a big 'ol bag of iPhone parts.

I bet the software development cost a pretty penny (2, Insightful)

EccentricAnomaly (451326) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720959)

Apple clearly spent a lot on development of the device and on the software especially... not to mention all of the prime-time ads. I bet it will take a while before those costs are covered and they start raking in the big bucks with the $380 'mark-up'.

Re:$220 to buy the parts, not "to make" (1)

bleh-of-the-huns (17740) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721109)

Are they even taking into account bulk purchasing??? Obviously the manufacturer is buying the parts in bulk, if the estimated cost of the parts is based on the cost of each part individually, then the total cost of the iphones parts may be significantly less when those parts are purchased in bulk.

Of course the cost of the parts does not take into account assembly, or the research and development that went into the iphone, which if you ask me, those R&D folks should be canned for making so many obvious mistakes and omissions on the released product, but thats just my opinion.

Re:$220 to buy the parts, not "to make" (2, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721219)

those R&D folks should be canned for making so many obvious mistakes and omissions on the released product

Actually, I wonder if many other product designers fall into a trap of non-omission, that is, a need to include everything. After a few days with an iPhone I can say, sure, there are things that aren't there, but the things that are included are very good. For instance, there is no MMS, but the SMS is great. I figure that every product design team has limited resources, and maybe it was better to have great SMS that doesn't support MMS than to have mediocre SMS with MMS included.

Of course every product is a trade-off, but every criticism of the iPhone I hear seems to be a lot of anger about missing features that I, personally, don't really have a use for. To me, it's better to have a great product that is incomplete in some ways than a product that is complete and poorly-done, but that's just me.

Re:$220 to buy the parts, not "to make" (2, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721479)

At $5/GB of flash ($20 for the extra 4GB of flash in the 8GB iPhone), I presume they are taking bulk purchasing into account.

Voicemail Vulnerability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19720871)

There's also an iPhone security concern that's the fault of weak authentication in the AT&T/Cingular voicemail system:

http://shiflett.org/blog/2007/jul/iphone-security- concern [shiflett.org]

Possibly not an issue with the iPhone (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721107)

Since the iPhone stores vmail locally, will this security problem with AT&T in general even be an issue with the iPhone I wonder? I'm not sure if the vmail is still held on the server after the phone receives it.

---> Kendall

Re:Voicemail Vulnerability (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721141)

security concern that's the fault of weak authentication in the AT&T/Cingular voicemail system

While it's interesting, it's no big deal. Voicemail is notoriously insecure. Most people don't even realise that it can usually be accessed from any line and therefore do not change the default password for this.

Several UK reporters were arrested a year or so ago for doing this to the Royal Families phones to hear their messages. Initially the story seemed to be about some hi-tech uber-hack but in the end it came down to that.

Good profit margin (1)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720877)

suggests the iPhone only costs around $220 to make

This shows how Apple is really good at playing the game, where it's often about cheaper is better. They show style and quality is worth it. Most people will buy Fords, but some with the money will pay a premium to own a Mercedes. Apple is just the Mercedes of computing.

Re:Good profit margin (1)

dcskier (1039688) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720965)

$220 to make I'm sure is just a figure of the parts, maybe the manufacture too. But remember they had a lot of engineers working on this for a while and that wasn't cheap so each unit is really more than just $220. I'm sure they are still making a killing off of it but a product costs more than just the sum of its parts.

Re:Good profit margin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721047)

You'd be right if you replaced Mercedes with Lincoln Navigator. With Mercedes at least when you pay $100k for an AMG, you're paying Hans, Klaus and Georg the engineers to build most of the car by hand with significant attention to detail. The Navigator on the other hand is mass produced, just like the iPhone, and has a nearly 100% profit margin, just like the iPhone.

Re:Good profit margin (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721763)

You'd be pretty disappointed with hand-made electronics... Even Hans, Klaus, and Georg aren't that good with tweezers and a soldering iron.

Re:Good profit margin (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721097)

This shows how Apple is really good at playing the game, where it's often about cheaper is better. They show style and quality is worth it. Most people will buy Fords, but some with the money will pay a premium to own a Mercedes. Apple is just the Mercedes of computing.

Funny, I was thinking more along the lines of new cloths for the Emperor.

To each their own, I guess.

Re:Good profit margin (1)

AndersOSU (873247) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721135)

You must not have been paying attention. Most people buy Toyotas*, a few shell out for the Ford and get hosed, while fewer still fork over the big bucks for the Mercedes and are generally happy.

*ok really most people (in the US) still buy GMs, but Toyota is second, Ford is third, but my way is funnier

Re:Good profit margin (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721795)

Toyotas, Fords, GMs... no matter - that's what the rabble drive - the free phone that comes with your plan, if you will. :)

(I don't even have a car, so I'm lower than rabble I guess.)

More like the BMW... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721409)

...although, I think they ought to go for being the Volkswagen.

Re:Good profit margin (0, Offtopic)

blowdart (31458) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721673)

They show style and quality is worth it.

And for some reason the same people who complain about DRM in Vista et al are happy to go out and buy the phone that is the most closed out there. Weird isn't it?

Apple's Profit Margin: Alwyays 20-30% (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721801)

This shows how Apple is really good at playing the game

No, it shows that the people who figured it cost 220 bucks have no clue. Apple's profit margins have always been around 20-30%. I would be extremely surprised if they suddenly sold a 220 bucks device for 600 bucks.

People always guesstimate iPod margins way too high, and invariably, they turn out to be wrong during the next Apple analyst call.

220 - Yeah right... (4, Insightful)

arivanov (12034) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720895)

That does not include essential and unavoidable licenses which in the GSM world push the BOM by further 30-40$ (depending on volumes). Add to that licenses related to digital media playback (encoders, decoders) and the phone BOM approaches 300+. That is all before the cost of developing the software. So while the margins are very "applelike", they are nowhere as obscene as the article suggests.

Re:220 - Yeah right... (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721411)

I don't know what the licenses are for AAC offhand, but the H.264 license is extremely cheap. It's around a nickel per codec.

-jcr

Re:220 - Yeah right... (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721459)

It wouldn't surprise me if it was selling at near-cost at retail once you factored in the costs of activation on the network, the store supply chain, tax and so on. If Apple have a good deal with the telco then they may be getting a cut of the network fees. The exclusivity suggests this might be the case; even if it's not most phones on contract are effectively subsedised by the telco and they recoup this semi-loan over the term of the contract. And then there's iTunes, ring tones, accessories and what not. The after-sales market is where it's at with the iPhone IMHO.

Re:220 - Yeah right... (1)

P3NIS_CLEAVER (860022) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721553)

Not to mention the R&D to create the phone, write the software, and create a new business unit to manage and market the device. The money has to come from somewhere.

Re:220 - Yeah right... (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721761)

220 for parts, 80 to licenses, 100 in R&D, and 200 for the marketing/astroturfing hype... Sounds about right once you add the iMusicStore & the two-year Cingular lockin.

ever since friday... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19720907)

the omlet has tasted really fowl

Still going strong?!? (5, Insightful)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720909)

Are you kidding me? It's been three fucking days!

Has society's attention span gotten so short that we are surprised when news reports on a high-profile new product spans past the Friday it was introduced through the weekend following its introduction?

Or are we just surprised that the iPhone has managed to steal a few seconds of airtime from the whole Paris Hilton thing?

- RG>

Re:Still going strong?!? (1)

veganboyjosh (896761) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721057)

Or are we just surprised that the iPhone has managed to steal a few seconds of airtime from the whole Paris Hilton thing?

OHNOES!! What's going on with paris?!!!one11 /me=off to teh googles/...

Re:Still going strong?!? (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721169)

Has society's attention span gotten so short that we are surprised when news reports on a high-profile new product spans past the Friday it was introduced through the weekend following its introduction?

What does attention span have to do with paid-for advertisements? The Apple marketing campaign for the iPhone has been stellar, it's a thing that they truly excel at.

Re:Still going strong?!? (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721257)

This post is still modded up?

I know it seemed Insightful at first, but that was so half-an-hour ago.

I'm going out for a latte.

WTH is wrong with the media? (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721601)

I mean it has been three days and we still do not know if Paris Hilton has purchased an iPhone.

And they call themselves journalists.

What I WANT to know is... (4, Funny)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720913)

Where is the article that does the in-indepth coverage of:

1. First iPhone user looking at porn
2. First iPhone user sitting on toilet and surfing web
3. First iPhone user to get laid because of it (those with significant others don't count).
4. First person to have an orgasm just by touching it (it being the iPhone you sicko)

Stop it already (1, Interesting)

duggi (1114563) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720949)

Somebody please say "There is nothing to see here... Move along".

We can have a realistic discussion about IPhone after 2 months, not before that.

Re:What I WANT to know is... (1)

Reaperducer (871695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721115)

Where is the article that does the in-indepth coverage of:
1. First iPhone user looking at porn
I'll let you handle that.

2. First iPhone user sitting on toilet and surfing web
Mission accomplished.

3. First iPhone user to get laid because of it (those with significant others don't count).
Done.

4. First person to have an orgasm just by touching it (it being the iPhone you sicko)
I'll let you handle that one, too.

Re:First iPhone user to get laid because of it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721617)

I guess with all the hype, even working girls know the price and will accept it as payment...

Re:What I WANT to know is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721649)

I have been touting the youtube on the pot as the best iphone feature so far.

What I find funny is... (2, Insightful)

lena_10326 (1100441) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720967)

...so many slashdot readers are praying for iPhone to go down in flames.

Who cares. It's another product. It'll make some people happy, some not. Don't get so wrapped up in the drama.

(And no, I won't provide links or references. This is my opinion. I don't have to prove it.)

Re:What I find funny is... (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721315)

You don't understand how important their opinions are. The iPhone has to succeed/fail. Because they want it that way and their opinions matter.

Re:What I find funny is... (4, Insightful)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721415)

...so many slashdot readers are praying for iPhone to go down in flames.

They are a vocal minority. The phrase I heard recently to describe everyone else was "circle-jerk". That's never something I'd ever even considered and I promised myself that I'd use the phrase again.

It's not that people like me want to see it go down in flames. Quite the contrary, I've been waiting for a device like the iPhone for many years. My problem is that I got that device two and a half years ago and I'm still happy with it. I welcome the competition in the market and I value Apple's UI design highly so hopefully they will drag the entire industry forward with them. I've been a mobile early adopter since GSM first came out, so to hear that another large, respected manufacturer has entered the industry is fantastic.

What annoys some of us is that it's being presented as revolutionary. It's not. It might be, if it takes off and in the future changes most peoples outlook on phones. It took the iPod to bring mp3 players to the masses but it wasn't really an evolution change in technology. It was more marketing and design, such as the white headphones serving as a constant "join us, it's great!" advertisement.

The iPhone seems to be advertised to be a leap forward. Now, it may not be Apple doing this, there is a lot of grassroots support for it as is clear based on the volume of news around it, and they may be generating this meme that it's all powerful. The problem is it's not. It would be a downgrade for me. From what I hear it has the same UI problems as the first smartphones. Having to write down numbers for example as there is no cut and paste or hyper-linking of phone numbers in text. Lot's of little quirks have been ironed out over the years; I've been running homebrew ROMs on my mine, so I've seen it at it's worst and at it's best. From reading about people using it, some of the UI is an improvement but it needs work in many places.

This is what annoys us. Sure, for most people the iPhone is a leap forward and it's sure silenced most of the "a phone is just a phone" crowd that I have discussed this with on many previous occasions on Slashdot whenever there is a story about new phone technology. So, for the majority of people, great! Enjoy it. Having the internet in your pocket is awesome, as is the lack of needing to carry around a separate media player. The integration of SMS and email is also very handy. Google maps is great, though personally I prefer things like TomTom that keep the data locally. And so on, there are so many things you can do with a device with this.

Just stop making it sound like you are the first to be doing it! :-)

Re:What I find funny is... (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721755)

Can you give us the details of the hardware + software that you're currently using?

I haven't delved into mobile computing yet and am curious where to begin. I'm afraid of the iPhone mostly because it's useless to me if I can't open an ssh connection from it.

I am happy the iPhone is doing well (3, Insightful)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720969)

I bought the iPhone, but I don't own apple stock. I am happy the iPhone is doing well. I hope it spurs the industry to have a spurt of innovation.
It seems that other manufacturers "test the waters" by making a half-ass web feature enabled phone .. obviously it fails with zero sales.. and then they assume nobody wants to web browse on the phone and stop innovating.

Come on, a high res screen for web browsing and touchscreen.. we've been wanting that for a while .. why didn't the other manufacturers come out with a decent one?

Re:I am happy the iPhone is doing well (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721071)

I bought the iPhone
You bastard! What are the rest of us going to do now? And why did Apple only make one of them?

All joking aside, the way you phrased that says something interesting about how a lot of consumers view the iPhone. Not as a commodity (I bought a monitor) but as a singularity (I bought the iPhone). Maybe I'm reading into a bit too deeply, but it seems to me that it reflects a valuation of the iPhone as something more than a thing.

Re:I am happy the iPhone is doing well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721627)

Way to CYA with the "decent." Truth is, the iPhone has been around for years now. Just like MP3 players were around for years before iPod. It's only now that Apple deems it "cool" that the sheep follow. Sad part is, the iPhone is the dumbest smartphone on the market, and interest is still going strong! Baaaaa! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

News Flash! (1)

EMeta (860558) | more than 6 years ago | (#19720973)

Breaking story: Apple employs some of best UI developers, programmers in world, saves money to pay them (as well as assemblers, shippers, distributors, management, etc). This kind of mark-up is rather typical for brand name products with warrenties.

Bawwwwing (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721067)

Even though the iPhone has already been released into the wild, the amount of excitement surrounding this device doesn't seem to be subsiding by any measurable degree.

Perhaps "the amount of media hype and saturation" would be a better description... Going by Slashdot's reaction, you'd think they'd invented an orgasmatron or something.

Re:Bawwwwing (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721351)

Agreed.

I'm worried about reading the comments when this thing [wikipedia.org] comes out.

Dealing with Apple geeks is one thing, dealing with Linux geeks with their own OSS phone will be quite another.

Re:Bawwwwing (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721461)

The only wonky Linux geek that matters is most likely getting all hot and bothered over the Neo right at this moment, at least judging by his comments about it.... ;)

Huh (1, Insightful)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721159)

Only $220 to Make an iPhone. Bomarc writes to tell us BuinessWeek is reporting that according to a recent analysis the new iPhone only costs Apple in the neighborhood of $200 ($220 for the 8-gigabyte model) to manufacture.

Someone's forgetting software development, R&D, support, distributing, warranties, shipping, licenses, patents, and around a 50-60 other things like that, which go into a product you buy from the local shop.

Yes, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721199)

Is it true you can use it with your penis?

Re:Yes, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721345)

Your penis is too big. It's designed for something the size of a finger.

Oh wait, this is Slashdot. Never mind. Yeah, you can use your penis. What else are you going to use it for?

AT&T Network (EDGE) +iPhone (1)

ryanw (131814) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721211)

The night before the launch I noticed several reports of people saying AT&T seemed to have opened up their network quite a bit. I have been searching for any confirmed network speeds on the phone.

Also, would like to know if anyone has been able to make the thing work as a bluetooth modem for internet on a laptop.

Re:AT&T Network (EDGE) +iPhone (2, Interesting)

Charliems (764942) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721655)

I did a speed test today, got around 190kbs, no idea what it was before in my area. As for the bluetooth, no it can not be used as a modem. It actually can't do anything with bluetooth except a headphone. According to the apple bluetooth wizard thing, there are no services at all the laptop can use.

Re:AT&T Network (EDGE) +iPhone (1)

ryanw (131814) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721821)

That sux about the bluetooth modem thing. Probably that way because AT&T feared their network would melt with the surge of iPhone net users... I would hope that over time once the network usage stabalizes that this restriction is lifted.

What are the real costs? (1)

TheBearBear (1103771) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721397)

hey guys i'm curious. Does the "$220 to make" include only the manufacturing and material aspect, or also shipping and marketing and all that. in other words, does all of that $220 including paying back for R&D and sales and all sorts, and the other $380 or $280 is pure profit? Thanks

Re:What are the real costs? (1)

aengblom (123492) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721687)

It doesn't even include putting the parts together let alone, shipping, marketing, R&D, sales or Steve Job's jet.

Ugh (1)

guspasho (941623) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721527)

Even though the iPhone has already been released into the wild, the amount of excitement surrounding this device doesn't seem to be subsiding by any measurable degree.

And when did the product come out? Oh that's right - yesterday! I know it's just an introduction and it's just tech "reporting" (read: hummers) but stupidity like that should be painful. Should the general population become bored with a product as soon as it has launched? No, and we would all prefer it if the tech media wasn't either. I, for one, am sick of seeing all hype and no follow-up. How does it actually work? How did people who actually tried using it like it? What was their overall experience so far? Heaven forbid anybody keep track of that in case some of us may want to consider the product based on real-world experiences rather than OMG-factor.

Top 10 Mistakes (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721545)

Some of the "mistakes" are just silly!

"2. ...Having to click on an icon in the far upper left upper corner of the screen is a pain."

Haha. I suppose it the far bottom left corner is less painful? He is right about the period being on a separate screen in the keyboard. That is an actual mistake.

Re:Top 10 Mistakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721669)

"10. No character count in SMS application." sounds silly to me. I don't think ATT counts the broken up messages as individual SMSs. But I know that they do get broken up, even if the iPhone doesn't say that they do. All SMSs are 140 octets.

Re:Top 10 Mistakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721809)

punctuation in text messages? What is this world coming to!

Configured my bosses - impressive (4, Informative)

mergy (42601) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721597)

I didn't buy into all the hype but my boss came in today with it and after setting it up on our WPA wireless network, getting his mail running to our servers via IMAPS, etc. it is a VERY nice device.

The EDGE network blows. But, browsing off of it from our wireless network is a breeze. The screen is solid and I was amazed at the clarity of the screen with fonts, images when zooming really close. After setting it up on the network, it does need a few things.

1. ActiveSync or something to sync to our mailserver so the user can get contacts, calendar and mail.
2. IPSec VPN ability - maybe Cisco will get a client in this?
3. Open Office documents (Excel, Word)
4. Open PDF docs.

I am sure this will get better as it goes. But, far far better than I would have expected as a first gen device. It does make my Treo 700p look poor.

Boneheaded Built-in Battery (1)

SpeedBump0619 (324581) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721639)

The number one design choice I don't get so far is the non-replacable battery. From the tear-downs [appleinsider.com] it seems like a trival (and relatively inexpensive) bit of engineering to have altered the back shell to allow for a clip-in battery. Is Apple really that desperate for their cut of battery replacements? They could even have designed around a smaller battery trusting that heavy users would buy a backup anyway.

Who needs it? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721787)

If I want a longer use duration (say, international flight), I can use one of the many iPod external battery packs.

Otherwise, who really needs to replace the battery that easily? I fully expect to get many years of use out of this one. I don't see making the case less sealed than it might be a good tradeoff for something I will almost never want to do.

I thought the same thing, back when I purchased my Palm V - I had no need for a removable battery then, nor do I now. I prefer the longer battery life that a sealed solution invariable gives, along with the smaller form factor. It takes space to engineer a robust doorway into a device!

Interface blog entry worth the read. (1)

harl (84412) | more than 6 years ago | (#19721645)

The interface blog entry is worth the read. If only for the dicking er the clicking.

I don't know if it's my layout or what but the font he uses has literally no whitespace between a 'v' and the next letter. So clicking becomes . . .

Trust the dicthshunarie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19721745)

From the "review":

The virtual keyboard is really not an issue for me. I've never had any trouble typing with it... I did fine from the first time I used it. I think it's much more practical than a tiny hardware keyboard, especially because I have thick fingers. The thing is that you shouldn't try to fix all your mistakes; just trust the dictionnary, keep typing, and the error-correction engine will find the word you intended to type.

I really, really hope mispelling "dictionary" was an attempt at humor...
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