Captain America Buried in Arlington National Cemetary 314
coondoggie writes "Earlier this year Captain America was slain as the climax to Marvel Comics' Civil War event. The renowned hero will be buried in the next issue of Marvel Comics' 'Fallen Son,' due on July 5. 'Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles, according to an Associated Press story. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression. With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.'"
How about... (Score:4, Funny)
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"How about burying real politicians instead of Capt. America."
How about burying lawyers instead of Capt. America.
Fixed it for you.
A busload full of lawyers crashed outsided of town. When the emergency crews arrived on the scene, they found that the local townfolk had already buried all the lawyers. Surveying the wreckage, one EMT said "the crash doesn't look that bad. Didn't any of them survive?" "Well, some of them SAID they were still alive, but you know how them lawyer fellas like to lie."
What do you expect? (Score:2, Insightful)
With an administration that is turning out to be as bad as the Nixon [wikipedia.org] and Harding [wikipedia.org] administrations combined, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Marvel will tell you that it's just coincidence, and it may very well be, but that doesn't mean it's not timely.
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"My God, this is a hell of a job!" Harding said. "I have no trouble with my enemies, but my damn friends, my God-damned friends... they're the ones that keep me walking the floor nights!"
Bush just gives them a pat on the back...
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You forgot to add "Clinton" to that list. You do realize Bill Clinton pardoned 16 members of the FALN [wikipedia.org], a Puerto Rican terrorist group responsible for more than 120 bombings and at least six deaths? And don't forget the cocaine trafficker, the bank fraudsters,
"cemetary"? (Score:5, Funny)
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Slam on government? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I want Tony Stark to die by being slowly mashed into paste by a Hulk-Thor tagteam, but to be honest he's probably right. Vigilantes, no matter how much we love the underdog, are generally a bad thing. Civil War wasn't any more of an indictment of the
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How dare they kill off a character because it garners interest by fans!
Red Skull has robbed George Bush of his glory!
I think for even more, wallowing in the muck of increased sales, they should send Red Skull to GitMo, so that we can finally feel some pity for the character.... until of course, he starts working as a Prison Guard in Abu Ghraib.
Ah, see... they are just toying with you. If you keep with it, you will get a great payoff with
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And there it is, ladies and gentlemen -- the root cause of the decline of Western civilization and the fall of the American republic...
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Okay, but Marvel used to be known for keeping the dead, dead. I say Captain America isn't coming back. Someone else might step up to the name, though.
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And in the next issue... (Score:5, Funny)
This just in from Marvel..In the next issue..Red Skull gets a Presidential pardon.
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To continue the metaphor, I think his coffin should be draped with the Constitution, rather than the flag. So that they can both rest in peace with the respect they deserve.
I'd be more upset... (Score:2)
Marvel killing off all heroes (Score:2)
I will say this though, "The Hulk: The End," was by far one of the best comics I've ever read. Him being the very last hero -- even human -- alive is very fitting in the Marvel universe....
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It's time we start selling comic books with a biometric lock which can only be read by one person, up to a maximum of 4 different fingers. The only explanation for these declining sales is clearly no fault of the industry.
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It's a multiverse....Marvel killing off all heroes (Score:2)
- Mainstream Marvel universe (Earth-616) (the old titles, w/ issue numbers ranging well past the hundreds
- ``Ultimates'' (Earth-1610) which has only just started to reach past 100 w/ Spiderman
- Marvel Adventures (Earth-20051) which is their line of stories suited for younger readers
Captain America is alive and well in the latter two, and as the numbers indicate they've got lots more, which get written about on a semi-
"Death" in comics (Score:2)
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Death isn't the handicap it used to be... (Score:4, Interesting)
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The rice seller character was an eternal money spinner.
Who slain him? (Score:2)
Iraq (Score:2)
It's been quite a while since I've read comics, but do comics today even mention Iraq? And what exactly is a "big slam on the government"? A vague commentary on the fact that (gasp!) people sometimes die, and the gov't should do something about it? Or is the death of Captain America a specific critique of Bush's policies in Iraq? Could someone who's followed the storyline enlighten me? Thanks.
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Do comic's mention Iraq? yes regularly but always as a side note because if they bring it to much to the fore it wo
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Oh, that's fair! (Score:2)
And? (Score:2)
Isn't this one of the responsibilities artists have to the society that supports them?
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Isn't this one of the responsibilities artists have to the society that supports them?
The only "responsibility" that enters into it is the responsibility of these particular artists to make something that sells books for the company they work for.
In general though, as an artist I can tell you with extreme confidence that I'm not responsible for a damn thing apart from getting whatever's in my head out onto the paper/disc/website/sculpture/performance/whatever. There is no set of artist rules that demand my work be socially responsible. I can do that if I wish, but I can just as easily s
Do we care? (Score:2)
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Course, there's comic book heros (Score:2, Offtopic)
http://johnsmeaton.com/ [johnsmeaton.com]
Yes, beer really does cost £3($6) a pint here, and no I have no idea who's running the site.
government is not America (Score:2, Insightful)
Probably a skrull. (Score:2)
Anybody who thinks Steve Rodgers isn't going to return withing 14 months doesn't know comics.
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How do you figure this is a slam on the government (Score:4, Interesting)
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Why Captain America had to die! [beaucoupkevin.com]
Civil War in 30 seconds (for those who don't mind spoilers) [blogspot.com]
As for me, Make Mine... The Goon! [thegoon.com]
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Man, is Tony Stark an asshole, or what? "Recovering Alcoholics"... Can't really trust 'em, can you?
So what if it is? (Score:2)
it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.
Art and literature have always been used as commentary on all sorts of social issues. Why should comic books be exempt?
Commentary not really a great thing (Score:5, Insightful)
On one online comic forum I troll through, the majority of the readers are generally pissed off about Civil War. On the one hand, creating an effective pro-registration side meant essentially turning some superheroes evil. SHIELD shot first at Captain America - not for not wanting to register, but for not wanting to hunt down his old friends. And Iron Man lost all credibility he had in this encounter, including hiring former supervillians to start a false war with Atlantis, just to prove his point.
Problem is, all of the "good guys" weren't much better. Rather than actually providing solid arguments as to what they were opposing the government for, most of the superheroes just ran around shouting how bad the government is and smoking weed and putting flowers in their hair. The few times that Captain America had a moment in front of a reporter to explain his case, he just listed a bunch of hippie talking points, rather than actually talking about how the law could hurt superheroes, or even mentioning that SHIELD shot at him first.
Civil War could have been a chance to have some real commentary on modern issues, but it quickly devolved into just a chance for people to fight each other. There was no real discussion, no real logic, and Cap's sudden death just capped the whole thing off as being an attempt for controversy rather than any sort of political message.
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Kinda reminds me of how people REALLY act and react.
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For shame! What has the world become, I ask. What indeed!
Sad but pertinent (Score:2)
Now he's a court jester with a broken heart
He said Turn me around and take me back to the start
I must be losing my mind "are you blind?"
I've seen it all a million times
Next Election? (Score:2)
Issue #1
Jan 2009
The Evil Administration has finally convinced the American People that it is a self-serving entity and they are merely its pawns. It is shown that Evil shall not triumph in a Democracy as voters turned out in droves for the November election. In a landslide victory, a new President is voted into the White House, one whom the People can trust and in which they place their hopes in a New American Dream.
Meanwhile...in a Top Secret Facility in an Undisclosed Location:
Bee
question about comics, comic books (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm wondering whatever happened to the NON-spandex type of comic book for kids? I know about the old days of moralistic censorship, and enjoyed "Understanding Comics" by McCloud, but I'm not seeing ANY kind of modern comic that doesn't involve stretchy or musclebound heroics. The only thing you find in the bookstores are strip-compendiums, like Garfield/Peanuts (too simple for my kid), or Calvin&Hobbes (some humor too esoteric). The rest are very expensive translations of Manga, a fair bit of which is not really pre-teen suitable. As bad as I think Disney can be for rotting your brain, I grew up with all the Scrooge McDuck titles and it at least gave me an early appreciation for the sequential-art mode of storytelling.
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Just kidding.... or am I?
Re:Uh, spoil much? (Score:5, Funny)
Dammit... I spoiled that one, too. I'm sorry.
Re:Uh, spoil much? (Score:4, Funny)
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Maybe not, but you have just brought on a relapse of Post Traumatic Stress for thousands of us who were kids in the mid-80s...
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You must be speaking of the realization that Stan Bush's voice is the most powerful weapon in the Universe, capable of destroying a sentient planet.
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*curls up in fetal postion*
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The fact is, most people don't seem to care. King George was reelected. You can point to his low approval rating, but congress is even lower, and noone is actually doing anything about it. Slick Willy got a blowjob and it was the end of the world, King George starts a war, usurps our freedoms, potentially stole 2 elections...well...that doesn't make as good sensationalist dirty gossip story so noone cares.
American Spirit is all but dead. Noone cares or is too busy shoveling themselves out of debt in our insane buy now pay later, keeping up with the Jones' culture. Lets not forget our wonderful lawmakers passed that nice law to make sure those poor credit companies don't have their money stolen by dirty citizens declaring bankruptcy!
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No, he committed perjury. Wasn't he disbarred for that?
"King George starts a war, usurps our freedoms, potentially stole 2 elections...well...that doesn't make as good sensationalist dirty gossip story so noone cares."
The Democrats now run Congress; why aren't they impeaching Bush?
Ah, because most of them voted for Bush's War, and neither side wants to get into the habit of impeaching Presidents as they don't want theirs to be tossed out of office.
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Sure, while it only takes a simple majority in the house to impeach...
Chief Justice John Roberts would oversee the trial and
It takes 67 Senate votes to convict. (Dems hold "51" but that's 49 with 2 independents)
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I thiink the GP post has it right; they don't want to expose their own to the same treatment.
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That's largely true. They haven't forced the president to change, short of not totally acquiescing to his every whim, but,
You them fault them for not doing something that you yourself agree would be ultimately inconsequential.
They're not impeaching because it wouldn't acco
Citizenship is a business relationship. (Score:2)
I have decided to adopt the same opinions. I was born in the USA and given the usual indoctrination about the 'land of the free' and 'home of the brave'. How strange the same people who railed against the commies because they spy on their people and lie to them, are requesting that the USA spy on it's people too! THey don't have to ask for lies, Bush already did that when he lied about Yellow Cak
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Because:
1. he's only got a year and a half left in office
2. he's the dumb one - that would still leave cheney - the brains behind the idiot - as president
3. it wouldn't help get the country out of iraq
4. there aren't enough democrat senators to convict - so it would be a waste of time
Notice - that nowhere on the list is a concern that he doesn't deserve it, or isn't guilty of more than enough to warrant it. He surely is.
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Going backward for a moment...
Even if they had not, being an idiot is, perhaps unfortunately, not what impeachment is for. Neither is starting a war that should not have been started.
Now if there were some concrete proof that they knowingly discarded all conflicting evidence and fabricated their own in a deliberate attempt to force the country into a war they knew was unnecessary, there might be a case. Personally I would not doubt that is exactly what ha
Re:To the author... (Score:5, Insightful)
The details in the matter are that while under oath during a civil court case brought by Paula Jones then President Clinton was asked if he had had sex or an affair with Monica Lewinsky. He asked for clarification about what constituted sex and an affair, and sex was defined, BY THE PROSECUTOR, as penile-vaginal intercourse. He then answered that he had not had sex under this definition. I have never heard anyone say that Bill Clinton received more than a blow-job from Monica Lewinsky.
So please stop using the word "perjury". It is simply wrong to use in this case. You can say he lied (people may disagree on that point), and you can certainly say that he intended to mislead people (that cannot be disputed), but he did not perjure himself.
The subsequent disbarment was much more about the Whitewater investigations, and was highly politically charged. To the point that facts were mostly irrelevant in the case.
Re:To the author... (Score:5, Insightful)
Three Words....
Vice President Cheney
I finally understand why he was chosen by Bush. It's a reverse Dan Quayle. No one wanted George H Bush removed because Dan Quayle was an idiot. Now no one want George W Bush removed because Dick Cheney is EVIL.
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because it's the same shit, different day. People roll their eyes, but in most respects it is a one party system. An club of rich and elite people manipulating and being manipulated by the system.
Maybe if we cared about what's going on in the world enough to resist the smoke screens that are blown in front our face something could be done. But as long as none of us are willing to write a nasty letter to the news media when they spend weeks cove
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You say perjury like the guy was lying about weapons of mass destruction. Please, he lied about being an adulterer. That's something cared about only by arrogant pricks who like to enforce their morals on others yet are just as culpable for the same dirty dealings.
He committed perjury in a sexual harassment trial for a former subordinate. His behavior with his current set of subordinates was certainly pertinent to the case. Guess which party is responsible for sexual harassment laws?
Yes, it was a witchhunt,
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Only in America. In the rest of the world, nobody would have asked the president that question. It was a personal matter, and has absolutely nothing to do with his politics. Lying about it was a sensible move, and something just about any sensible person would do.
On the other hand, deliberately deceiving the entire world that you are invading Iraq because they are hiding WMD (and they are som
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I remember back in 2000 when people like you were saying that Bush was such a wonderful guy. They would rave about how Bush would clean up the culture in both parties. Now you've come back and are saying the same thing about Ron Paul. Another Texas Republican, another teary evangelist. Why should anyone believe you?
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Largely the same party? Delusional. (Score:3, Interesting)
People like you are the same as Naderites. If you really think this country would've been no different if we had Democrats in charge of the three branches of government instead of Republicans for 6 out of the past 7 years, then you're nuts.
Ron Paul's pretty out there himself. While I respect his stance in v
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So what exactly are _you_ doing about it? (besides bitching..)
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I would argue that their low approval rating stems directly from the fact that they haven't done anything to fix the mess Bush has created, which is why we elected them in the first place.
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No. Slick Willy used the power of his office to sexually harass female employees with impunity. I've known men who were fired for speaking to the wrong woman and she reports that she felt 'uncomfortable'.
Policemen beat the shit out of a drugged-up black man and get away scott free, until other black people start a riot. Then the feds step in and subject the policemen to double-jeopardy.
Simpson kills his wife but beats the wrap because he has expen
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Don't you know by now? We've gotta wait until King George III comes around before we do anything about it!
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As for the "war" you're referring to, I am assuming that you're talking about the titular "War on Terra" that's been going on since the 70's, is still going on today, and will be going on for genera
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And that's it. Reed and Stark turn into Henry Bendix types who kill and imprison people to help bring about their conception of a finer world with no comebacks (unless, as I fervently hope, at some point during World War Hulk, the Hulk removes Stark from his armour via the neck and then uses the emtpy shell as a latrine). The whole book seemed to be an endorsement of the idea of the competent, benign (unless you disagree with him - in which case its Prison 42 for you) dictator and, for me at least, left a bad taste. A shame as I've really liked Millar's work on The Ultimates.
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By killing off Captain America, aren't you letting the neocons win? I'd rather have seen an episode where Captain America punishes a perjuring White House aide...
Then you need to read Black Summer http://www.blacksummer.net/ [blacksummer.net] by Warren Ellis. A superhero snaps and kills the sitting American president. The varient cover is a ridiculously detailed picture of said hero in the oval office, with blood splattered on everything.
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When I was a kid I remember seeing a comic book featuring Methuselah...
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When was the last time you saw an article on
I love comics too, that doesn't mean I need a pointless article about them on my "news" site.
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Thats too bad. Everyone should make some time for some sort of hobby. Be it reading, or painting, or coding, or playing video games, everyone needs some kind of outlet. Try to take some time in the evening and talk with your family, or if you have young children, you could read to them. I mean if you're not reading books or enjoying a past time because you're thinking about the price of gas... you're thinking about the price of gas e
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You mean like a romance novel or a painting of a Campbell's Soup can or a urinal on a pedestal?
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Dude, it's Captain America! Captain America's dead, dude!
Yeah, I don't get it either.