Ocarina of Time — Best Game Ever? 615
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the best game yet made, according to a list compiled by readers and writers of the lauded British gaming magazine Edge. Their list of the hundred best games ever is top-heavy with Nintendo titles, a full five out of the top ten being released to a Nintendo platform. Obviously, this sort of thing can get contentious, and CNet's Crave blog spoke up quickly with a contrary opinion. "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is truly a masterpiece that should be thought of as one of the greatest games ever created. But to call it the greatest game of all time is a serious misstatement. Unlike Super Mario Bros., Ocarina of Time was released in an era where video games were booming and sales were on the rise. Simply put, everyone was playing video games, and the game was the best of its time. But no other game in history--Ocarina of Time included--was able to save an entire industry from almost guaranteed destruction the way Super Mario Bros. did, and it is for this reason that we should all give ol' Mario and Luigi credit where it's due." Let's hear it, then. What game deserves to top a list of the 100 best games ever made?
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I do.
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Re:I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT HORSECOCK! (Score:4, Funny)
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3. PROFIT!
In Soviet Russia, horsecock profits you!
Re:Counter-Strike (Score:5, Insightful)
Nintendo is arguably the only developer(hardware and software) to stay true to the original idea of Video Games as a source of fun instead of pimping it out to gain control of the home theater market. Sony is starting to lose it's way and Microsoft is Microsoft.
I am not a nintendo fanboy but I do respect the Old School.
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And please don't bring out the old strawman that every FPS player is a pimply case-modding adrenaline junkie. You may as well say that everyone who drives a decent car is a boy racer.
Sure I like the odd 1992-era candyland bubblegum game from time to time and that's when I break out my console, but for my style of serious gaming let's just say I'm apparently not Nintendo's target market.
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Best of All Time is... (Score:2, Insightful)
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And I'm a female
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Psychonauts (Score:5, Insightful)
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I tend to agree. Psychonauts is certainly one of my favorite games ever, but it isn't one of the best games of all time. It's simply unusual for a game to be so perfectly executed and pretty much flawless in every way, and then on top of that have so much great character, personality and entertainment. But it didn't really offer any new, exciting game concepts, it simply delivered to an astonishingly high level of polish.
Half-life (Score:2, Interesting)
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For finite games, I would think the original Tomb Raider has racked up way more man hours of play time, not to say anything about Super Mario, and, yes, Zelda.
For open-ended games, I can't think of many that were more addictive than Elite. And yes, that is old school. If you missed it the first time around, too bad - it won't appeal to those who think anisotropic filtering makes a difference. It's wireframes, and your imagination does all the shading much better than any graphics card can.
Anyhow, it's hard to say what the best game of all times is. Di gustibus non disputandum est, and all that. What's clearer is the Biggest Flop of all time. It has to be Daitakana.
*Art, going back to play "A Mind Forever Voyaging"...
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While we're on the subject of Commodore 64 goodness, what about Psi 5 Trading Company? I LOVED that one.
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BLAZEMONGER!!! (Score:4, Funny)
Starcraft (Score:2, Funny)
I learned the other day... (Score:5, Insightful)
...that the South Korean Air Force has an official Starcraft team.
I'd say that getting your videogame elevated to the status of stadium-worthy spectator sport is a pretty huge achievement. Blizzard's Starcraft is surely up there.
(This is complicated only by the fact that it has so many worthy competitors from the same era: Age of Empires is the first that comes to mind.)
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Storyline? Gameplay? Graphics? Sounds? Replayability? Uniqueness?
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Gameplay: Half-Life 2
Graphics: Valkyrie Profile 2
Sounds: Valkyrie Profile 2
Replayability: Galactic Civilization 2
Uniqueness: Shadow of the Colossus
Only two of my games hit the list. And Tomb Raider made it on. There's no justice.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_IV [wikipedia.org]
1985. Nothing for almost a decade surpassed it in quality and scale.
*quote from that link*
"In 1996 Computer Gaming World named Ultima IV as #2 on its Best Games of All Time list on the PC."
It didn't even make the top ten - which is how you know this "list" is a joke. And Final Fantasy VII was what - way near the very bottom? The thing still commands $60 a copy on Ebay.
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DNF!! (Score:5, Funny)
This is so friggin' obvious that even though the game is not yet complete, it should still easily have made #1. I demand a recount!
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Oh, and Halo doesn't belong on the list. Anyway, enjoy your scheduled pointless top-XX list flamewar.
*- since there's no actual intercourse involved, it's not a good one at that
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What's with the sequels? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:What's with the sequels? (Score:5, Insightful)
Huh? Is This Only Console Cames? (Score:3, Interesting)
Elite? Command and Conquer? Doom? Temple of Aphsai? Ultima IV? Zork?(anything by Infocom?)...
Or any other systems of note. Marathon? Tempest?(the original), Defender? Mortal Kombat? The list of things that they didn't even include is amazing. Almost as amazing as the just that made most of the top twenty.
Re:Huh? Is This Only Console Cames? (Score:4, Interesting)
ALWAYS look at the source of any 'list', 'survey', or stats.
This is Edge, it's by far a console heavy magazine, they only really have PC there to try and make 'everyone' buy it.
No, they're not an unbiased source for this sort of list.
I far more trust the opinions of sites like http://gamespot.com/ [gamespot.com] or the like, as they have true PC sections.
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The lasting appeal of a game is what makes it deserving of a spot in a top
Nintendo games (Score:5, Interesting)
I would not consider only Ocarina of Time as the masterpiece of Nintendo, but it is a hell of a game. Very fair list.
It's obvious! (Score:5, Funny)
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this deserves a poll (Score:2, Insightful)
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missing more than a few (Score:2)
Crave Misunderstanding (Score:5, Informative)
The Edge piece is quite clear that it is looking for games which are still worth playing now.
The Crave posting misunderstands this point and brings in an entirely different criterion.
I don't actually agree with either article (I don't remember Mario mattering that much in Britain, and I didn't like Ocarina of Time much), but the Crave piece just seems like pointless disagreement with the basis of the Edge article.
Re:Crave Misunderstanding (Score:4, Interesting)
Every single article I've read about this poll gets confused and doesn't mention that it is a poll on games that must stand up today, which is why Pong or Doom aren't in the Top 10. Which of course, has lead to everyone to go off on a tangent and say silly things like "Mario Bros 1 should be number 1" and things.
This wasn't helped by the BBC deciding to choose a misleading headline and then burying this information at the bottom. I guess "journalists" don't read past the first two paragraphs anymore.
Super Mario 64 (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps even more innovative and just as fun, but with wider appeal.
Metroid Prime and Mega Man 2 hit #2 and #3 on my personal list, respectively.
One of the best (Score:5, Insightful)
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Deus Ex is the best game ever. [Deus Ex 2 was one of the worst]
I miss Deus Ex. I wish there were like 10 sequels using the exact format and an updated graphics engine.
The awesome voice acting and huge amounts of immersion content made that game just awesome. The inventory system ruled. The skill system ruled. The game could be played many ways and the whole things was just good.
I would say for console, Ocarina of Time and Super Metroid are the best console games that come to mind. But I have a long list of console game I really like.
I really also like Herzog Zwei a lot and wish they would come out with a sequel to the awesome and fun Kid Icarus.
Best Game - Boogerman: A Pick N' Flick Adventure (Score:2)
Classic RPG (Score:2)
Billy Madison says: (Score:5, Funny)
Billy Madison: I disagree, it's a very good game, but i think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
Kid: Donkey Kong sucks.
Billy Madison: You know something? YOU SUCK!
It's now officially Summer! (Score:2)
Good list (Score:2)
Idiotic. (Score:2, Insightful)
Virtua Tennis 3 better than Robotron? Nights Into Dreams better than Tomb Raider? Darwinia, Super Monkey Ball and R-Type Final making the list while classics like X-Com and Fallout are nowhere to be found? Don't even get me started on the t
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And SMB belongs in the top 10.
Ocarina of Time is right where it belongs, at #1. It's funny the reviewer says "to call it the greatest game of all time is a serious misstatement," because as we all know, video game ratings lists are Serious Business (R).
UK gaming rag ignores Bullfrog??? (Score:5, Interesting)
No Dungeon Keeper.
No Theme Hospital.
No Syndicate.
No Populous.
Furthermore: No X-Com, No Ultima IV and No Fallout.
Almost all lists like this are complete pap, but you simply cannot omit 5 top-50 titles and 3 more that are easily top-10 contenders. Not when you're presenting a list like this with a straight face. I know we bag on gaming 'journalism' for being a joke, but this isn't even funny.
It's just kinda sad.
Best Game Designer... (Score:2, Interesting)
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Franklin Brauner
I can prove it's not the best (Score:3, Insightful)
Let the flame wars began!!! (Score:2)
Top 10 (Score:2, Informative)
Here it is, for those who don't want to click all 10 pages :
01. The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time
02. Resident Evil 4
03. Super Mario 64
04. Half-Life 2
05. Super Mario World
06. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link to the Past
07. Halo
08. Final Fantasy XII
09. Tetris
10. Super Metroid
Something is seriously wrong with this list... (Score:4, Insightful)
The flaws are many and frequent.
How could you have a top 100 list of games that completely excludes ANY Bioware or Black Isle Studios games? On top of that, there's no homage to some clear classics and pioneers of gaming, such as Zork, or Hero Quest. Only a brief mention is made for Monkey Island.
The fact that the vast majority of the games on the list were made after 2000 says a bit.
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What?! No Fallout/Fallout 2. Lord thunderin' I'm playing through Fallout 2 again for because I'm some form of addict appearntly, any media mention of a fallout game and I dig out my copies. I loves me those games.
THPS (Score:2)
PONG bar none... (Score:2)
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Solitaire! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Top 100's are subjective; but this one has holes. (Score:5, Informative)
Obligatories from the RPG category:
- *Anything* from the Baldur's Gate series?
- Planescape: Torment?
- Knights of the Old Republic?
- Dragon Warrior?
From Strategy:
- Some of the Civ sequels show up, but where's the original?
- Master of Orion?
Other must-haves in any top 100:
- Tie Fighter
- Privateer, or at least *something* from the Wing Commander world?
- Grim Fandango? (The list is in dire need of more classic lucasarts adventure games)
There are plenty more, but this is the point at which I get lazy.
Isn't nitpicking top 100's fun on a slow news day?
Glaring Omissions (Score:3, Informative)
As far games that are not classic arcade derivatives, I would also include Master of Orion and Crazy Taxi.
Dai-friggin-Katana! (Score:3, Funny)
wolfenstein enemy territory - the clear winner (Score:4, Funny)
I'm not talking about Hindenburg-esque floating, either. I'm talking panzerfausts flying straight up until they explode at the edge of the universe. I'm talking cosmic panzerfaustage tearing space & time a new asshole. I'm talking about the best fucking shit you've ever turded out your bunghole after eating spicy food and then some. A veritable big bang of gaming ferocity and artillery raining down upon gibbing newbies.
Half-Life (Score:4, Insightful)
Nothing in the history of gaming has impacted the WORLD in the way that it did, and for that reason I'll say that it was the best game ever.
You may claim that other games did it better, I might even yield to the idea that the BUILD engine with Duke 3D should have the title, or maybe even quake or quake 2, but those games didn't succeed in luring in the mod community and fostering its growth as well as Valve did with Half-Life. The mod community for Quake 2 seemed to be just a thing that popped up around the game, but Half-Life actually welcomed it in and put effort into it.
This truly was the beginning of the real internet we know today, and marked the point in history where the community surrounding a game became just as important as the game itself.
I cast my vote for Half-Life, not any Zelda game. While Ocarina of Time was exceptionally well made, and possibly flawless, it IS possible to do more. And many games have.
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Say what? Where were you when Doom was released, and in the years that followed? Doom had thousands of user-created custom levels, graphi
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When the #1 most-played online multiplayer game in America is a MOD for half-life, you know something is up.
And that doesn't even begin to tap into the vast collection of mods and user-created content for the game.
Like I said, Quake and Duke Nukem had lots of user-created content, but when you compare the communities for the games, you'll see a huge difference. Why? I
Best game I can't get past the first stage! (Score:4, Funny)
But I can't get past the first area in Ocarina of Time. I've tried, many times. I've seen the game played through (My brother loves it + Speedruns), so I know how good it is and how great a game it is, but I cannot get over the framerate in the first scene.
I don't know how Nintendo dropped the ball on this one. A little slowdown is acceptable during a large boss battle where there's hundreds of explosions and enemies going every which way, but in THE FIRST ZONE? A zone with, let's count them, ZERO enemies? (One if you use the starfox cheat, but that's it)
It just tells me it's only going to get worse from there.
But all this "Best Game Ever!" publicity is great, really. Maybe it'll inspire Nintendo to remake the game, on the Wii...
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The whole thing seems to look like they picked 100 games they liked then gave reasons why they liked them and only really orded the top 10 into an actual list with an obvious bias towards Nintendo games. How they managed to miss off Command and Conquer, Knights of the Old Republic, Worms and various others is beyond me.
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The classic Oregon Trail (mentioned just a bit ago here on