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Ubuntu Dell $50 Cheaper Than Vista Dell

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the all-that-and-a-better-os-too dept.

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rhinokitty writes "Dell recently announced that their Ubuntu systems will be $50 cheaper than similar systems running Vista (Home Basic Edition). This will be a good fork in the road for those people who need a little extra push to take hold of their dreams and run Linux."

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"Take hold of their dreams"? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739367)

Please... If it was really anyone's dream to run Linux, I don't think $50 more on a Dell PC is going to stop them.

Re:"Take hold of their dreams"? (5, Funny)

Mistlefoot (636417) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739443)

Dreams. Ubuntu is the best. It runs this laptop without a Battery!!! And without a battery $50 isn't much savings. lol

I'm guessing this is a typo....but from the article -

$774 Inspiron 1420 (Ubuntu)
Intel® Core(TM) 2 Duo T5250 (1.5GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Ubuntu version 7.04
Anti-glare, widescreen 14.1 inch display (1280x800)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz
80GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive
Intel® 3945 802.11a/g Mini-card
Integrated High Definition Audio

$824 Inspiron 1420 (Vista)
Intel® Core(TM) 2 Duo T5250 (1.5GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows® Vista Home Basic Edition
Anti-glare, widescreen 14.1 inch display (1280x800)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz
80GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
24X CD writer/DVD Combo Drive
Intel® 3945 802.11a/g Mini-card
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
Integrated High Definition Audio

Re:"Take hold of their dreams"? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739453)

Wow, no batteries! I can't believe they snuck power generation into the kernel. Tesla would be proud.

Re:"Take hold of their dreams"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739667)

That is not a battery, it's called a soul-sucking device. The sole reason why Vista is able to operate on these puny laptops, otherwise you had to wait for quantum computing.

I'll take Vista thanks :-) (1, Funny)

Robowally (649265) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739955)

I'll take Vista thanks :-) Don't have time to fix Linux problems anymore.

Re:"Take hold of their dreams"? (1)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739733)

..or build it yourself and save a few hundred dollars.

YAY!! (0, Troll)

GregPK (991973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739387)

Speaking as someone who once worked for microsoft before leaving for a job with an international office supply retailer. I say YAY!!! Learn from this and make a better OS Micro$oft.

Re:YAY!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739529)

Sweeping the floors at Microsoft does not put you in a position to make this broad sweeping (pun intended) comment. Maybe we should all start using your OS? Oh wait... you don't have one. Now to prove yourself to the moron hordes as worthy please write back an tell us all how you wrote the entire Vista kernel blindfolded and with one hand before you saw the light and left Microsoft. I'm not anti Linux or pro MS, I'm just anti stupid people and stupid statements.

Re:YAY!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739605)

Why the hell do you have to write Vista solo and blindfolded to know how bad it is? He's not the only one to have used Vista and hated the frustrations it causes. If you release a product so bad that even your OEM's would rather still support your previous version, you know you've stuffed up big time. You are the one making the stupid statements here.

Re:YAY!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739769)

Writing the Vista kernel would be dead easy.

1. Grab the Linux kernel
2. Insert flaws in the code.
3. Disable all security features.
4. Insert 5ms delays everywhere you can.
5. Profit.

Maybe thsts why Steve "Sweaty" Balmer thinks Linux infringes MS patents.

Re:YAY!! (3, Insightful)

GregPK (991973) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739813)

To be nice, Vista was built with the idea of adding 20 million features to it then trying to make it stable. Which at the moment it really doesn't. Most business customers (Whom BTW account for a vast majority of Microsoft revenues) Want something that that is fast, extremely stable, and consistent. So if it always crashes when you press A 4 and 5 in a sequence it crashes but everything else works perfect. We can work with that. It's stable its easy to predict and easy to fix. Most people in business barely even use those functions in the current windows product. Most companies use a form of exchange server and outlook, word, excel, powerpoint, half a dozen network drives and a dozen or so other 3rd party apps specific to thier field like autocad, Photoshop, testing, etc. All of which slows down when you add in more resource hogging windows functions. The most useful new windows tool I've seen added to date has probably been remote desktop, built in zip functions, run command on the start menu. But even then it has its limits. I'd much rather have a faster way to switch between spreadsheets when I've got 6 open at once, A hotkey wizard for excel and word. A easy hit task manager that functions like the old autoexec.bat file did back in day where all I had to do is just simply take the one I wanted to run doom with and rename it while the old one automatically got named to .bak so I can easily rename it back for other users using other programs. I'd like something that just keeps track of what programs I am or am not using then highlights the ones I'm not using so I can quickly shut them down for more memory. Or even better. A memory saving profile that I can run just the basics when I'm doing work related stuff on the network access to the net. I'm not saying I can make an operating system out of my closet(maybe a computer). But as an end user who looks at a machine for 8-12 hours at a time I know what I want.

Re:YAY!! (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739935)

Why is it that so many people think Linux and other open source software is somehow at its best when it puts pressure on microsoft to make better products and nothing else? Microsoft will never do anything that will make me want to run their OS. Even if they could, the product would have to be so much like what I'm running already that I'd just stick with what I've got.

Let's focus on making the big Linux distros release better OSes first. For starters I'd like to see them stop pushing gnome/gtk so exclusively.

Re:YAY!! (1)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739865)

I used to work at Microsoft, too. All I can say is that having an @exmsft.com instead of an @microsoft.com email address is a wonderful thing :-)

Yes, but (0, Redundant)

Disharmony2012 (998431) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739401)

Do they run linux? Will Vista run on them with most of the setting disabled?

Is Ubuntu good? (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739415)

Is Ubuntu a good distro in this case, given as it's already installed? I mean, from the standpoint of a non-geeky computer user.

Re:Is Ubuntu good? (3, Interesting)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739463)

My little brother just installed Ubuntu on his home machine. He's in the 8th grade and his windows installation had to be wiped after the ISP threatened to shut down his internet service because of all the botware. I'd say it's a pretty easy distro.

Re:Is Ubuntu good? (5, Interesting)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739487)

It's the distro I install for all my friends.

When I reinstall Windows for a friend, I put Ubuntu on their computer next to windows and tell them to boot it if windows fails again.

It takes a couple of months before they really need to fall back on it. And in the meanwhile, at moments when they feel brave, they take a peek in the rabbithole.

And they confirm; Ubuntu does a great job for a fresh user.

Re:Is Ubuntu good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739569)

I mean, from the standpoint of a non-geeky computer user.

Don't you mean "from the standpoint of slashdot's resident anti-anything-Ubuntu troll?"

Re:Is Ubuntu good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739571)

Is Ubuntu a good distro in this case, given as it's already installed? I mean, from the standpoint of a non-geeky computer user.


Or could we somehow invoke a distro war using a sneaky Slashdot troll?

Re:Is Ubuntu good? Maybe. (2, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739629)

In Ubuntu's case, the GUI looks familiar and there isn't any need whatsoever for a firewall and anti-virus software, even though that's available too. If your needs are like most, you won't miss a thing.

There are two steep learning curves:

1. Putting the finishing touches on most of the applications included. An example is the kmail spam filter bogofilter. Sure, there's a gui to sort of get it going, but you'll discover it doesn't really work until you set up the wordlist.db and a cron job to feed the wordlist. None of which is obvious.

2. Troubleshooting. It's all different underneath and it takes some time to figure it out. But it's logical. Once you get the hang of it, it's much easier to use.

Re:Is Ubuntu good? Maybe. (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739871)

In Ubuntu's case, the GUI looks familiar
Yup... Gnome on Ubuntu looks very similar to Gnome on Red Hat or Gentoo. OK, but for themes (colors and such) its just the same. Same with KDE -- K Desktop looks amazingly like K Desktop on other systems (even K on OS X). I'll bet anything Xfce and Fluxbox on Ubuntu are the same on other Linux and BSD systems, but for the ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/fluxbuntu mods to the ubuntu logo, its the same GUIs everywhere. Nice point there.

Re:Is Ubuntu good? (5, Informative)

grcumb (781340) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739747)

Is Ubuntu a good distro in this case, given as it's already installed? I mean, from the standpoint of a non-geeky computer user.

I've installed Ubuntu on computers used by well over a thousand new computer users. Common tasks were picked up with as much ease as I've witnessed with first-time Windows users.

A few things that new users tend to find useful:

  • The system menus are way easier to find your way around. Software is located in the Applications menu, and it's organised by purpose rather than brand name. Links to your hard drive, USB disk and CD ROM are in the Places menu. System-related tasks are in the System menu. You get the idea.
  • USB disks, CDs and other removable media pop open folders when inserted, much as they do in Windows.
  • The default interface is much cleaner and simpler than in Windows. Folders are simpler - which is not to say easier - to navigate. (This is useful for non-geeks, but can prove frustrating for power-users.)
  • Automatic updates are just as easy as - if not easier then - Windows, and all of your software is covered.
  • Upgrades are free. 8^)

Those are just the first few things that spring to mind. I'm sure others can add to this list.

Those who are accustomed to Windows will be accustomed to certain conventions, and this will rankle a little bit at first. But once you get used to the fact that, for example, the Start button is on the top of the screen rather than the bottom, you quickly find a lot to like.

What this really means (4, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739417)

Many Linux users are willing to buy their own rigs, or have been content to purchase Windows and then either dual-boot or just format and install Linux.

I don't think this move will equate to widespread acceptance of Linux on the desktop for the home. You're not going to shop Dell's site as a Windows lover with no Linux experience and say, "since Dell is selling Linux, I think I'll give it a try and buy a computer without Windows!"

It is nice that people will save money, however, there is a potential large impact of this move.

Several IT departments in all kinds of large corporations struggle with trying to get corporate suits to accept Linux in the workplace. And while large companies like RedHat or Novell will sell support, corporations like familiarity and standardization. If said corporation has a corporate contract with Dell, and Dell is officially standing behind Ubuntu and selling Ubuntu preinstalled, and you can see it as a cost-cutting move to the suits at the same time, then this might help spread the acceptance of Linux in the workplace.

Re:What this really means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739477)

"Many Linux users are willing to buy their own rigs, or have been content to purchase Windows and then either dual-boot or just format and install Linux."

Not quite true. I for one have never "been content to purchase Windows" i. bloody e. be forced to pay for an O/S that I rip out by the bollocks.

Anyone else content?

Re:What this really means (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739491)

If said corporation has a corporate contract with Dell, and Dell is officially standing behind Ubuntu and selling Ubuntu preinstalled, and you can see it as a cost-cutting move to the suits at the same time, then this might help spread the acceptance of Linux in the workplace.
But didn't we recently find out that Dell is explicitly not selling Ubuntu machines to business customers, only to home and home office buyers?

Re:What this really means (1)

blitziod (591194) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739563)

ok reasons why hoem users use windows:
1. everybody else does
2. it comes with the computer
3. They get support from dell,HP, Gateway, etc
4. It runs all the programs they need
5. It is what they use at work/school
6. They know how to( well kinda)

This removes reasons 2 and 3 pretty well. Our company is about to upgrade FROM WINDOWS 98. And I can tell you do to our purchasing guy HATING Vista and trying ubuntu, it will be to a LINUX distro. This is great news!

Re:What this really means (1)

Alcoholic Synonymous (990318) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739691)

Which will in turn lead to more people becoming familiar with it, and getting used to having tools at their disposal that they don't with Windows (or do at great costs). It also means some people (possibly a lot) will also buy these systems so they can take work home with them and not have to sweat compatibility. It's a big step into reversing the Microsoft monopoly.

Re:What this really means (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739791)

Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on operating systems, according to the Apple crowd here, because Apple don't have a monopoly on MP3 players (apparently, if lots of people buy Windows because they want to, it's a monopoly. If lots of people buy iPods because they want to, it's "consumer choice at work") - though I suppose here at linux.slashdot.org I can expect less Apple Kool-Aid drinking.

Back onto the topic though, perhaps Linux would gain more of a following if some people volunteered their efforts (or charged discounted rates) to schools to install and support it. Once people are familiar with it in an educational environment, it would probably be considered as a far more viable option at the purchasing level at your local Walmart or what have you.

That said, that "taking hold of their dreams" line was really cheesy. Never do that again, Slashdot editors. Ever.

Re:What this really means (1)

Repossessed (1117929) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739771)

Dell does not provide any actual support for Ubuntu, nor do they sell Ubuntu to businesses. They do, however, sell FreeDos systems to businesses (and not to home users last time I tried). These represent a lot more savings than the home computers as well, since the professional (read, network capable) versions of windows cost even more than the home versions.

Re:What this really means (1)

HUADPE (903765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739915)

Dell will however package a Canonical support package with your purchase if you choose to pay them.

Re:What this really means (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739845)

Many Linux users are willing to buy their own rigs, or have been content to purchase Windows and then either dual-boot or just format and install Linux.

That was back when Windows didn't cost $250+. Even Vista Basic is expensive, and may prove worthless in a few years. The high prices are providing fuel for a real move to Linux - as many have predicted.

Re:What this really means (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739885)

Well, it would mean mass adoption of Linux if people could just choose between Linux and windows like any other component and see that it was $50 cheaper. Right now Linux is still buried on the dell website, so people have to know what they want instead of just getting funneled to the Dell Windows PCs. But it is a good first step, I have to give Dell that much. As long as the price parity is kept up and Linux Dell PCs don't end up costing more than Windows Dell PCs like they did before. Where if Linux was an option on the standard configuration screen, then it would save me some effort. It is somewhat annoying that I will have to configure my next Dell PC twice just to make sure I am getting the best deal from Dell, but such is the burden of comparison shopping. And if they do let the Linux PCs get buried in their catalog and don't offer the same deals on them as the Windows PCs, then people will just buy the better deal and install Linux and dell will lose valuable marketing data... so they won't really know their customers again.

Oh... but as was mentioned before Ubuntu is just for the home market, they won't sell it to corporate customers. They sell either SUSE or Redhat to business customers, which have prices comparable to Windows. But generally corporate IT wants extra expenses, because everything is about insuring that someone outside the company can be called (blamed) when data is lost or productivity is hurt by downtime. "Commercial off the shelf beats just "off the shelf" in corporate decision making circles. And really small businesses will save $50 (times 5, 10 or 20 computers ) by ordering them through the home and small office section and simply have them sent to the owner's house.

I've seen the ways small, medium and large businesses operate and there is a remarkable difference in the way decisions are made. You value money differently when it isn't going into or coming out of your pocket.

They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (4, Funny)

katterjohn (726348) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739421)

.. they're too confused about all the different editions of Vista ;)

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (2, Insightful)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739511)

I hope you see the irony of your comment?

With the grand choice you have in Ubuntu alone, the apps, and other distro's.

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (5, Insightful)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739547)

At least with Ubuntu the customers can switch around for free. With windows you have to pay more if you find your license doesn't cover a feature you need, like multilingual support or remote desktop.

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (3, Funny)

glwtta (532858) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739543)

"Let's see... do I need Premium or Ultimate? Oooh! Gutsy Gibbon!!!"

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739579)

What, as opposed to all the different editions of linux distros?

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (1)

dwater (72834) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739683)

What other linux distros are Dell selling?

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739851)

RedHat.

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (1)

kypper (446750) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739829)

Except the AIDS version [penny-arcade.com] .

People are pretty much solid on that one.

Re:They'll probably choose Ubuntu because.. (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739953)

All two of them that Dell is selling (to the home user)? If they can't figure out the difference between the two versions of Vista, they don't have a chance in hell at figuring out how to use Ubuntu.

news for nerds, stuff that matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739439)

lame.

Re:news for nerds, stuff that matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739585)

Aww, are you stuck reading real news because Digg is down again?

sorry, but... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739445)

I'm sorry, but i gotta say "...who need a little extra push to take hold of their dreams and run Linux." is the single-most pathetic thing i've read on the entire internet, ever.

Re:sorry, but... (0, Offtopic)

martin_henry (1032656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739729)

the single-most pathetic thing i've read on the entire internet, ever.

i dunno....i read somewhere that Paris Hilton is newsworthy....

Re:sorry, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739927)

You must be new to the internet. Welcome.

Nice gesture (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739449)

I believe it has great symbolic value.

And I don't believe anybody would consider buying it to save money.

It would be even better if DELL would use another 50 dollar per sale for developers of the software of DELL's choice. That would give buyers a nice cosy Ubuntu feeling and it would be great marketing.

Re:Nice gesture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739573)

I absolutely am considering buying this to save money. I'm a freaking poor EE grad student and I use Linux to run all my simulations. Do I look like I have $50 to spare?

Re:Nice gesture (4, Informative)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739643)

I hate to say this because I'm a huge *buntu fanboy. I recently bought a Dell 1501 with much better specs than the 1505n for $300 less off of dell business via slickdeals.net. The buttons on the front of the laptop are the only major difference.

The Ubuntu ones may be cheaper, but the Dell Business ones go on sale very often and the hardware is just as linux friendly.

1501 (1)

bagofbeans (567926) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739757)

...and did you get the WLAN DW1390 to work properly? And I don't mean just a wrapper 'round the Win driver, but all the configuration stuff too.

Re:1501 (1)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739827)

Yeah. WAP, WPA everything works fine. The win wrapper works better than the fwcutter method, but since it is a windows driver you have to make sure it's the right driver package. There are a bunch for the 1501 and some will work with less features and stability. Really it was only as hard as your average Windows driver hunt.

Re:1501 (1)

ForumTroll (900233) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739969)

The thing that annoys me about using the Windows drivers is that there have been several very serious security exploits for them. It's a real pain to have to regularly check whether I'm using the latest Windows drivers or not. I'd rather pay extra for a chipset that works properly under Linux so that I can update them using the package manager like everything else.

On a related note, fuck Broadcom.

Re:Nice gesture (1)

blitziod (591194) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739581)

ok not an incentive to run linux, just a way to NOT purchase windows vista with a new PC from Dell. That alone is great for folks like us who do not want that crap on our PC's and resent having to pay for it!

$50? (5, Insightful)

Mystery00 (1100379) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739473)

I don't think that is a big enough incentive, people that have been brainwashed by M$'s propaganda about how great Vista is aren't going to suddenly turn and say "ZoMG! This OS is $50 cheaper! Forget Vista!"

A $50 difference will do nothing in terms of persuasion for the common man, the people that buy Ubuntu pre-installed are only the ones that have done the research and know at least a bit about what they've doing, and what they want, the rest know Windows, and M$'s advertising.

What Ubuntu needs from Dell, isn't a $50 price difference, but some available INFORMATION, look here: www.dell.com/

I don't know about you, but all I see are Vista loaded machines, I didn't check every page, but nobody is going to buy an Ubuntu loaded machine if it's buried somewhere at the back of the site, or the store.

Re:$50? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739593)

I don't think that is a big enough incentive, people that have been brainwashed by M$'s propaganda about how great Vista is aren't going to suddenly turn and say "ZoMG! This OS is $50 cheaper! And not shit! Forget Vista!"

There. Fixed it for you.

Re:$50? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739639)

Microsoft pays Dell to make Vista visible. See, MS (or M$, whatever makes you feel smart) has something called an *advertising budget*, and it's vital to selling products in the modern world.

When Ubuntu starts paying money to have their name put out there, maybe then Dell will start showing Linux machines on the front page. Dell is a business. They are not interested in pushing open sourse, bringing down MS, or even *delivering the best product to the customer*. They're interested in making money, plain and simple.

Baby steps... (4, Insightful)

kebes (861706) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739679)

You're right, of course. A $50 difference is not that persuasive. However, at least the Ubuntu machine isn't more expensive than the equivalent Vista one. After all, there was considerable worry that Dell would keep the Ubuntu price higher (for a variety of reasons, such as contracts with MS or kickbacks from craplet installs, etc.).

So, I see Dell's offering of Ubuntu machines as a small step in the right direction. And the fact that they are a bit cheaper than the Vista equivalent is also a step in the right direction.

I highly doubt many consumers will be randomly browsing the Dell website and say "damn, those Ubuntu machines look awesome!"... but at least these prices allow those in the know to suggest to others: "If you're looking for a new computer, consider getting a Dell Ubuntu machine. Ubuntu is very stable and secure and you don't need the most expensive computer to run it. In fact, it's a bit cheaper than the equivalent Windows machine!"

Will this give Linux a 15% marketshare overnight? No. But it's a step towards breaking the current OS monoculture... and that's a good thing.

Re:Baby steps... (4, Funny)

Miseph (979059) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739869)

But... but... it isn't solving anything overnight! Totally unacceptable! Incremental change is for the weak and stupid and non-Slashdot readers! None of this pussy ass "right step" shit, we need everything to happen right now and any change short of that is not only inconsequential but should be derided and fought tooth and nail for the M$ propaganda/sell out itg is.

Re:$50? (5, Interesting)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739723)

Heh, yeah.

I like the part of the www.dell.com/open site where it asks you if you are there by mistake and suggests you go back to looking at Windows machines.

The main thing to note is that when you choose open source you don't get a Windows® operating system. If you're here by mistake and you are looking for a Dell PC with Windows, please use the following link.

Shop Dell PCs with Windows
They even put the link to their Windows machines BEFORE the link to the Ubuntu machines. If you were selling cars and someone showed interest in an import, would you ask, "Are you SURE you want to buy one of THOSE?" Their machines work great, but the website is serious WTF material.

Re:$50? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739777)

I don't think that is a big enough incentive, people that have been brainwashed by M$'s propaganda

  Has ANYONE actually been brainwashed by M$'s* propaganda? I vaguely remember teh first time I saw that "Wow!" commercial. They said "Wow!" and I said "Huh?" Then a minute later I said "Meh."

  * (I was going to use "MS", but then I remembered all those obnoxious gits who get pissed off when people use a dollar sign instead of an S. So, I changed it. This letter M and dollar sign is for all of you out there, you humorless pricks, morons who post that fucking "advocacy" copy-pasta shit every time twitter posts, and other various and sundry annoying twats with sticks up your asses. M$, M$, M$!)

Re:$50? (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739839)

Hey! I have never used copy-paste to reply to twitter's bullshit! I always spend at least two minutes thinking of a valid, well-documented reason that he's talking out his arse!

Well, actually I spend 22 seconds thinking of one, because it's just that easy, and then spend the next 1 minute and 38 seconds drinking coffee, generally slacking off, and chewing food.

Re:$50? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739945)

Hey! I have never used copy-paste to reply to twitter's bullshit!

  Well, I wasn't talking about you. It's some other guy (or guys) who clip this stupid advocacy article (including the bit about how no-one should ever use "M$". Fucking concern troll bullshit!) and post it every time the guy posts. (Even when he posts something sensible, which I'll admit isn't very often. Heh.)

Re:$50? (1)

weeb0 (741451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739805)

The money saving is not the point to gain new user to linux. But, now people like me, who don't want to pay the M$ tax when buying a laptop will have a new option.

It's good for Dell (they will get new customer) and it's good too for average linux user who want's a linux laptop.

To gain some new non-geek linux user, we'll have to buy some tv ads ... And a big marketing group... I don't think there is another way to do that!

Ubuntu preinstalled + Dell laptop = new customer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739481)

Although I've always installed my own Linux distros on everything and it's totally second-nature to me, it still takes time to get everything working properly.

Receiving a fully-working Linux system out of the box and not needing to pay the MS tax would be valuable, and if Dell extends their offer to laptops, I'll certainly be a new customer.

Re:Ubuntu preinstalled + Dell laptop = new custome (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739715)

So do they configure it with Enlightenment, KDE, Gnome, or IceWM?

Just 'cause the new user is sure as heck not going to be able to chose between those in Ubuntu.

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739899)

KDE is pretty simple to install on Ubuntu.

I lose $50 in the wash every year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739515)

The benefits of using Linux (or FreeBSD, my OSoC) is lost on the masses, who want what's easiest; whatever allows them not to think. Or what's "cool". Mac OS X is no less clunky than than any OS I've ever used but it's percieved as being "cool", so it's better. I've had users with PHDs who wanted to remain so ignorant of the OS they used every day you might as well have been wiping their arse for them. Most people are sheep, and by choice. My hat is off to the folks at Ubuntu and it's spin-offs for trying to get through to those people; it must be like Sisyphus, rolling his init scripts up that hill.

Doesn't matter. (3, Funny)

Meor (711208) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739533)

I'd pay 50$ dollars to never read a man-page or hear "RTFM" by a Linux zealot again.

testable hypothesis (1, Funny)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739795)

Well then I assume that you are running Windows and already paid the $50 extra?

RTFM.
I guess it didn't work. :(

Mod me down. It was soooo worth it.

but... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739551)

what if I wanted OS X on my Dell??

The difference in value is more than $50 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739561)

The difference in value of a system running Ubuntu and a system running Vista is far more than $50 to most people. To the majority, it's worth more than $50 to stay with something comfortable (Windows). For others, it's worth more than $50 to have a system that's free (as in freedom AND beer).

The $50 is only meaningful because it's based on 1) Dell's cost and 2) Dell's perception of how much of a difference in price it takes to get attention in the marketplace. Ultimately Dell doesn't care which one you buy, but if they get your attention you may buy Dell instead of HP or someone else.

What the hell? (1)

Spudtrooper (1073512) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739565)

Did I fall through a wormhole and end up in May again?

Target market (3, Insightful)

idesofmarch (730937) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739577)

Is this the PC for Vista/XP pirates? I mean, why pay an extra $50 when you don't have to?

My reality just got shaken (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739599)

You mean open source isn't more expensive? Could Microsoft be wrong? Next thing you'll be telling me is that Vista isn't the greatest OS in history.

No real saving (-1, Flamebait)

Psychor (603391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739611)

Everyone knows Windows has a lower TCO than Linux, so anybody buying the Linux system is just going to go out and waste that $50 they saved on Mountain Dew. Right?

Not bad (2, Interesting)

no-body (127863) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739623)

at all...

Go to dell.com, type in Linux as search, click on suggested link (ignore the recommended M$ stuff)
- select Ubuntu,
"XPS 410 N"
click through "adding features",
leave everything as default and...:

"1Yr In-Home Service, Parts + Labor - Next Business Day"

I like it!

"take hold of their dreams and run Linux"? (3, Funny)

bheer (633842) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739633)

Wow, rhinokitty can sure lay on the purple prose. What's next, Linux will help me leverage my key skills and maximize my full potential, making my chakras spin in unison to bring me closer to a fully actualized human being?

I hate Vista but for $50.... (4, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739657)

...if I'm spending thousands on a new laptop, I'll still take the OS if it's optional. I can pick up Ubuntu for nothing later on. Vista would cost me hundreds.

This isn't a push in the right direction, it's a slap in the face!

Re:I hate Vista but for $50.... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739809)

Except the hardware won't work. Most Dell other than their Linux machines use ATI and Broadcom, which are a HORRIBLE combination.

Re:I hate Vista but for $50.... (2, Insightful)

Trelane (16124) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739837)

Mod parent up! (Lack of) hardware support due to PCs being "Designed for Windows" is the reason Linux has its reputation for being hard to install.

Re:I hate Vista but for $50.... (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739887)

Nice troll but you can get Vista or Ubuntu on the same hardware. Providing the drivers are available for download it's not hard. I just bought an Inspiron 9400 with Vista Ultimate. It arrived Monday. I've got it dual booting XP with all hardware recognised as of this morning. There was a little messing with boot loaders and recovery discs and I did have to download the drivers, but since the machine was no longer offered with XP and I had a spare legit license I risked having trouble installing (after googling the problems others had) when they ran their $1000 off end of financial year thing. So far so good.

Re:I hate Vista but for $50.... (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739943)

But what about us who wants neither Windows or Ubuntu? Who wants to install our own OS, and not pay extra to support those who need to call the company with questions?
I don't want to pay for the support for an OS I won't use (and if it's an OS I use, I'd rather get my support from specialists at full price than outsourced people reading from a script).

Is it too much to ask to be able to buy a PC without any OS, and instead get specs that haven't been dumbed down for the masses?

Regards,
--
*Art

Re:I hate Vista but for $50.... (2, Insightful)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739921)

Subject: I hate Vista but for $50....

...if I'm spending thousands on a new laptop, I'll still take the OS if it's optional. I can pick up Ubuntu for nothing later on. Vista would cost me hundreds.

Perhaps, but I don't think it's "hundreds." According to the story's scoop, that $50 only gets you Vista Home Basic. Also, it's an OEM version, which means you cannot transfer the license to another computer (like you can with retail versions). An OEM version of Vista Home basic costs $90 to $95 at everybody's favorite egg store [newegg.com] .

Also, I think there's significant value in a preinstalled Linux distro that's been tested and confirmed to work with all of the hardware (especially notebooks). Even for supposedly user-friendly distros like Ubuntu, I've read many anecdotes about minor driver problems and manually editing config files. Sure, you can have the same problems with Windows. However, every PC hardware vendor writes Windows drivers first. Linux drivers are almost always secondary if they are written at all. We can at least be somewhat assured that Dell chose Linux-friendly hardware and tested the drivers on these Ubuntu PCs.

Re:I hate Vista but for $50.... (1)

chameleon_skin (672881) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739971)

Keep in mind that the they aren't basing this off of your retail price for Vista; the $50 probably represents their wholesale price for the OS. They're simply passing the difference on to you.

misprint? (1)

breman (683776) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739661)

56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
how come the Linux system doesn't have this listed?

Re:misprint? (4, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739919)

56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
how come the Linux system doesn't have this listed?


Lithium is just a plot by M$ to make you less creative. You think Theo de Raadt and Hans Reiser would have achieved what they did if they took their lithium like good little sheeple?

the cost of bother (0, Troll)

Essequemodeia (1030028) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739671)

Well then wonderful. For those who want to save $50 bucks the cost of bother will be: ~2 hours messing around with Ubuntu ~3 hours downloading Vista from The Pirate Bay ~1 hour installing Vista ~30 minutes downloading appropriate drivers ~2 weeks of smarmy holierthanthouism

well people... (0, Troll)

dexomn (147950) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739709)

DUH... you fucking retards.

$50? No way (2)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739753)

$50 bucks cheaper? Who thinks that this is going to make a single person buying a Dell change their mind? $50? One tank of gas? 1/12 of an iPhone (with no service)? 6% of the purchase price? That might not even cover shipping. You gotta be kidding me if anybody would look at this and say, "hmmm... well then... 50 bucks, huh? Well, sure, I might as well learn an entirely new operating system and find replacements for all of my programs that won't work if there's $50 at stake!"

Slashdot has officially hit a new low.

Re:$50? No way (1)

Trelane (16124) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739765)

Dude, you're not even a Linux guy. You have no room to whine.

I think the Linux users are pretty happy about saving $50 for not having to buy Windows. I know I am.

Re:$50? No way (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739867)

I'm not whining. I'm saying that $50 isn't going to convince anybody to switch. That's absurd.

Good for you if you get to save $50. That's great.

And for the record, I have a FreeBSD box that I'm using at home right now for my music collection (FreeNas [freenas.org] ).

Re:$50? No way (2)

rm999 (775449) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739859)

50 dollars AND you don't have to uninstall Vista and then install Ubuntu. Sounds like a decent deal to me.

Trialware (2, Insightful)

kylehase (982334) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739779)

Let's take a look at some prices:

  • Dell bulk OEM price about $50 ?
  • Dell incentives from trialware/crapware $50 ? (I hear it's better these days)
  • Net $0

  • Ubuntu price $0
  • Dell incentives from trialware/crapware $0
  • Net $0
So IMO a $50 savings for Ubuntu is actually impressive.

"take hold of their dreams and run Linux." (1)

isobelle (1064422) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739843)

laying it on a bit thick aren't we?

Re:"take hold of their dreams and run Linux." (2, Funny)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739879)

hah i know, it's pretty pathetic if your dream is to run linux on a crummy dell laptop.

Put up or shut up. (5, Insightful)

RomeReactor (1091245) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739849)

This is _exactly_ what most people that wanted Linux pre-installed in their PCs said they wouldn't do: whine about details. Why can't I get a better battery? Why is it only 50$ cheaper? Why is it gray?... We wanted this; now it's time we show we can backup our statements with cash. Vote. Wallet. Now.

Games On Linux (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19739911)


Here's a good 3 part article on Linux gaming:

http://kahvipapu.com/blog/2007/06/16/linux-gaming- part-one-first-person-shooters/ [kahvipapu.com]

It focuses on Open Source games but it also lists many of the other titles that are available for Linux.

Most of these games, if not all, are also available on Windows, of course. The first game listed, Warsow [warsow.net] is an excellent Open Source FPS, whether you're on Linux or Windows. No Mac client, though I'm sure an interested Mac developer could rectify that.

Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19739951)

Who the fuck dreams about Linux? Ok, maybe that was too harsh. Who the fuck dreams about Linux and was holding off for $50 off a Dell?
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