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Both Sides of the PS3 Price Cut Rumor

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the tangled-web dept.

PlayStation (Games) 257

So here's the deal: Kotaku has a flier for an upcoming Circuit City deal on the PlayStation 3, putting the price at $499. There's some confusion about whether this is just a sale from Circuit City, or an actual price drop from Sony. Next Generation has Sony saying 'no', indicating that this isn't a sign of an across-the-board price cut. Meanwhile, GameDaily says 'yes', with sources in the retail industry indicating this is the price adjustment we've heard coming for a while now. "As it turns out, a merchandising manager (who wished to remain anonymous) at one of the world's biggest retailers has confirmed to GameDaily BIZ that the price drop is indeed retail-wide and it's scheduled to take place on July 12, although the first wave of ads to promote the PS3's new price won't kick in until Sunday, July 15. Many analysts have speculated that Sony would drop the price on the expensive console this year, and some even predicted that it could happen this summer. It's starting to look like they were right. We're sure to find out much more next week when Sony holds its press conference at E3." Luckily we won't have to wait long to see what's the real story here.

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...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz... (0, Troll)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767523)

...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz...

Re:...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz... (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767801)

It's marked as "funny", but I find it true. I wait until near the end of the generation to buy my consoles. I have a good idea of what games are available by then and everything is priced where it should have been from the get-go. I did this with my Dreamcast and GameCube and couldn't have been happier.

Re:...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz... (3, Insightful)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768585)

Hmm, I haven't had a console since the NES, but when I bought my Wii with Sports and Trauma Center, I basically got a Gamecube, and a limited NES, SNES, TG16 and I have my Wii now. A friend loaned me Prince of Persia, Metriod Prime, and two Zelda disks, and I got a whole lot of gaming for under $400. I'm big on budget gaming, but there is a whole lot of value in having a Nintendo right now. I'll probably continue to focus on Gamecube gaming for a while and add some VC games before I pick up new Wii games next year.

Re:...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz... (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769111)

I agree, the Wii is a great value, and great fun. I can play all my favorites from the NES and SNES days. Playing is also a more fun experience, the controls are great... less buttons and more intuitive.

Currently I'm enjoying Resident Evil 4.

Re:...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz... (4, Insightful)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767899)

while I don't think it needs to be THAT cheap to be a success they already had a $500 price point that they ditched. IMO the extra 40GB of hard drive space (for a hard drive that you can swap out yourself with an off the shelf part) and built in WiFi wasn't really worth the extra $100 they were charging for the premium unit anyway.

If there was anyone with $500 in their pocket who wanted a PS3 they probably would have bought the 20GB model when it was still available, I'm pretty sure you can still find them lingering around stores today too.

If they want to be competitive they have to match the 360's price point... unfortunately I think if anything this price drop will cause Microsoft to follow suit, they've been hinting at a price drop [thoughthead.com] for quite some time as well.

Re:...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769143)

I'm pretty sure you can still find them lingering around stores today too.


Good luck with that. A week after release they were all sold, and they never really shipped any more. I saw one at target once before Christmas.

Re:...zzz...Is it less than $200 yet? No?...zzz... (3, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767999)

I bought the Wii for $250, and I thought that was a pretty good price. For the PS3, if they got the 60 GB version down around $400, I'd probably seriously consider buying one. Anything higher than that just isn't going to happen though.

$499 (3, Insightful)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767567)

Still way more than I will pay for bare bones console.

Sadly, I could probably double the performance of my PC for that price.

Re:$499 (3, Informative)

soccerace09 (908351) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767641)

The current price of the 20 Gb PS3 is $499. So if this is a price cut, it would be down $100 to make the 60 Gb $499. While it still may be more than the 360, it's hardly what I would call a "bare bone" console.

Re:$499 (2, Interesting)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767807)

Well... unless you really care about Blu-Ray movies (which IMO are way overpriced), by the time you pick up a game ($60), an extra controller, whatever other accessories (maybe component cables?), and factor in the tax on all this stuff, you end up paying $650 or more. When more must-have PS3-exclusive games come out (or Blu-Ray films become anywhere near a sensible purchase), the PS3 will become an ok purchase, but until then it seems a bit pricey.

The 360 isn't necessarily that much more bang for the buck on its own, either, given the extra costs due to setting it up for XBL and such, but given that its game library is FAR better across the board, all of that barely matters.

Basically as I see it the only current-gen console that is enough *if it's the only one you have* is the 360. The others just don't have enough games to play yet...

Now, if only they'd port that White Knight game to 360 and make the characters run less lame....

Overpriced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19768001)

"unless you really care about Blu-Ray movies (which IMO are way overpriced)"

I think they're pretty much about a $2-5 premium over DVDs at the moment. Is it really that overpriced?

I'd save that bile for Windows Vista Ultimate Edition.

Re:Overpriced? (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768527)

A $2-$5 premium over DVDs *at what price*? Here at Best Buy normal DVDs range from $6 to $22 (I tend to buy at or below $15, depending on the movie, most often around $10-$12). Blu-Ray movies are $25-$30, and the "cheap" $25 ones are like "Badder Santa" and other such masterpieces. ...So, it's not "bile" heh.. and when did this become about Windows Vista???

Re:$499 (5, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768005)

Well... unless you really care about Blu-Ray movies (which IMO are way overpriced)

Not really, unless you mean to say that any money more than the DVD is "overpriced". For most of the new movies I looked at, the Blu-Ray version is $5 more than the DVD version. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs aren't any more expensive than in the first few years of DVD, so I really don't think the pricing is unfair.

Besides, you can get Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies from Netflix for no extra cost.

I don't regret the purchase at all.

Re:$499 (3, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768605)

The Netflix thing is a good point, although I tend to buy rather than rent because I'm a big moviegoer. But in terms of price, I tend to see Blu-Ray at $25-$30, with the $25 ones being bad Adam Sandler films or something. I buy DVDs at prices in the $10-$15 range usually. The only pricey ones I sometimes get are anime ones, which I'm always like "grumble grumble" about grabbing off the shelf. And if someone were to tell me that anime DVDs are overpriced, I'd say "ABSOLUTELY!"

Re:$499 (0, Redundant)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769149)

with the $25 ones being bad Adam Sandler films

There are GOOD Adam Sandler movies?

Re:$499 (0, Redundant)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769279)

Good point, no there aren't.

Re:$499 (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19770037)

Way off topic here, so posting as AC... But yes, there are good Adam Sandler movies:

- Punch Drunk Love http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272338/ [imdb.com] , great romantic comedy.
- Click! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389860/ [imdb.com] will probably make you cry.

Note that in both movies, Adam Sandler is not playing his normal Happy Gilmore / Big Daddy / Mr. Deeds role.

Re:$499 (1)

ookaze (227977) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768811)

Basically as I see it the only current-gen console that is enough *if it's the only one you have* is the 360. The others just don't have enough games to play yet...
What a load of ...
Who are you to say someone doesn't have enough game to play on a console ?
Some people have enough games to play for years on the Wii already. And with the Virtual Console, some have more than they could play in 10 years. So this thing about the 360 only having enough games is nonsense.

Re:$499 (2, Insightful)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767829)

A console with no games and one controller? It's bare bone. What does a 60 Gb hard drive in my console do for me that a 20 Gb one doesn't? Better yet, what does all that extra space do that having the extra space on my PC wouldn't?

Last I checked, 60Gb hard drives weren't $100 more than 20Gb hard drives.

Re:$499 (1)

soccerace09 (908351) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767953)

Then wouldn't all systems (depends on if you consider Wii Sports a full game) be bare bones? The 360 also comes with one controller and no games (both the core and HDD version), while the Wii comes with half of a remote (one third if you want a standard controller for the Virtual Console games) and one "game". Either way, I think a $100 cut in price will help out the system, whether people buy it as a console or a cheap Blu Ray player.

Re:$499 (1)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768073)

I'm not sure what you mean by "half a remote". The Wii comes with the remote and the nunchuck attachment, which is enough to play all Wii (meaning made for the Wii, not GC or VC) games. The Virtual Console controller is only needed to play a small subset of VC games, so it really should be considered an add-on rather than part of the standard controller.

Re:$499 (0)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769179)

If you buy the console by itself and not in a bundle, it comes with one Wiimote, no games, and no nunchuck. That's why nunchucks were / are so hard to find, yet every store has plenty of Wiimotes.

I agree you don't need the classic contorller though.

Re:$499 (2, Informative)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769639)

ERrrr..no

There's only one Wii SKU in North America, and it comes with the console, remote+nunchuk and WiiSports.

Re:$499 (1)

typobox43 (677545) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769717)

Depends on your region. The only available package for the Wii in North America to this point includes Wii Sports, a remote, and a nunchuck. This is not a special "bundle" package; it's the only package available.

Re:$499 (0, Flamebait)

danbert8 (1024253) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769721)

No, you're wrong. I bought the console, and in the box there was a wiimote, a nunchuck, and a Wii Sports disk. You sir, are a moron. Or maybe you live outside the US and Nintendo is screwing you in the ass.

Re:$499 (1, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769737)

That is not true. As the previous poster stated, the Wii comes with Wii Sports, a wiimote, and a nunchuck. I did not buy mine as part of a bundle, and that's what I got. All of that stuff comes in the box with the Wii itself.

Re:$499 (1)

IpalindromeI (515070) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770195)

Do you have a Wii? I've owned two. They come with a nunchuck and a game, at least in the US. I think in Japan they don't come with Wii Sports, but they still get the nunchuck. In the US, there is no way to buy the console "by itself" without a nunchuck.

Re:$499 (1)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768233)

I'm not doubting that it will help out the console. And yes, technically all consoles are bare bones, but for about $500 I got a Wii with:

Two controllers
Two nunchucks
Zelda
Elebits
Super Monkey Ball
Rayman: Raving Rabids
A 1gig SD card

Again, for that same price, you end up with a console and a controller for the PS3. I've had a lot of fun with the games I bought for my Wii, so maybe I'm biased. I used to be a Sony fan, but most of their titles as of late haven't been impressing me.

Wii comes with Remote + Nunchuck (1)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768375)

The Wii comes with a Remote + the Nunchuck, unless something has changed since I purchased mine near launch. Wii Sports boxing game requires the Nunchuck.

END COMMUNICATION

Re:Wii comes with Remote + Nunchuck (1)

curiosity (152527) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769843)

No, it doesn't come with the Nunchuk.
You're mis-remembering.

Re:$499 (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770117)

While it still may be more than the 360, it's hardly what I would call a "bare bone" console.

How many games come with it? Controllers? Accessories? HDMI cables?

Re:$499 (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767753)

Unless you're already close to top-of-the-line, I imagine you could do quite a bit more than just double the performance of your PC with a $500 upgrade.

Re:$499 (1)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767911)

I haven't upgraded my motherboard in a while, so I still have a Socket 462 processor and DDR1 ram. I'm really not sure what I could upgrade short of replacing the PSU, CPU, Motherboard, RAM and Video Card (I don't see many boards that have AGP or DDR1 on them anymore). It's a nice PC, and it's served me well for a long time, but there really isn't much I could upgrade without just replacing the whole thing.

Maybe I'm just too picky.

Re:$499 (1)

MajinBlayze (942250) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770041)

At that point, you could get a new motherboard with onboard graphics (probably still better than an older agp card), processor and RAM for that $500. I'm planning on doing just that this fall/winter. Plus, if you pick your motherboard right, you'll be able to upgrade the CPU, RAM, and GPU later on.
Sometime in the process you'll probably want to pick up a bigger hard drive, but those are fairly cheap.

Re:$499 (1)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770183)

I've always had reservations about onboard graphics, but I'll look into it (I'm already using a 6600GT, but maybe there's something I could find that at least has dedicated vram). I chose a nice motherboard from the start, but waited too long to try to pick up a barton 3200+ (i have a barton 2500+, but it runs stable at 3200+) I'm just not sure how much improvement Socket 939 is over 754 is over 462 (before going to 64-bit/dual core, but doesnt that only help if you have an OS capable of such processes?), or DDR vs DDR2.

Hard drives do come by pretty cheap now, I had two 300gb PATA drives in my system but one crashed about a week ago and I lost all my data. I took this chance to reflect, reformat, and install debian instead of windows.

Re:$499 (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767881)

Much as I want a PS3 to play MGS4 eventually, I completely agree. I recently spent $150 on a new graphics card for my PC that, while not particularly amazing, allows me to play all the great games I've missed out on over the last few years and some of the games to come in the future (plays Lost Planet decently, hopefully DMC4 and UT3 will work OK). All of the consoles currently available, IMO, are a waste of money for what you're getting (PS3 for the high price alone; 360 for the seemingly rampant hardware failures, though the new warranty helps you still have to send it in and all that crap; the Wii because of it's low specs and lack of almost any extra features, not even a DVD player), and I probably won't be getting a PS3 until I can procure one for under $250, new or used.

I might buy at that price.... (3, Insightful)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767593)

I really might consider buying at that price, if only for the BluRay. Hell, I paid $1000 for my DVD player!!! I think I can pay $500 for a BluRay player and a console in one.

Hell, I paid $1000 for my DVD player!!! (2, Funny)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767635)

Hell, I paid $1000 for my DVD player!!!


Really? Want to buy another one? In fact, I think I can get you all the DVD players you want at that price...

Re:I might buy at that price.... (1)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767871)

I really might consider buying at that price, if only for the BluRay. Hell, I paid $1000 for my DVD player!!! I think I can pay $500 for a BluRay player and a console in one.
But a few years later you could buy a fully-spec'd multi-region DVD player for $50. Plus DVDs are already being phased out in favour of a new technology, making your investment overpriced and shortlived. And yet here you are about to do the same thing all over again. It seems you just don't learn.

Re:I might buy at that price.... (1)

Gospodin (547743) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768135)

Plus DVDs are already being phased out in favour of a new technology....

Er... they are? Which technology is that?

Re:I might buy at that price.... (1)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768415)

... Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD.

Is this the part where you tell me that DVDs will be around for ages? I doubt it. Almost all TVs produced now are HD-capable, give it 2 years for the players to go down in price and maybe another year for people to buy them and I'll bet you any money that one or both formats will be outselling DVD.

The conversion from DVD to HD formats won't be as slow as VHS to DVD was. The fact that there is a format war just means that both parties are pushing harder than ever to get their format adopted. Plus the fact that HD-format capable players are backwards compatible means that once the prices go down (within the next 2 years) buying an HD-format capable player will be the only expense instead of an additional one as was the case with VHS to DVD.

Re:I might buy at that price.... (3, Insightful)

michrech (468134) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769289)

Is this the part where you tell me that DVDs will be around for ages? I doubt it. Almost all TVs produced now are HD-capable, give it 2 years for the players to go down in price and maybe another year for people to buy them and I'll bet you any money that one or both formats will be outselling DVD.
I'm here to tell you that the 25" CRT I bought about 6 years ago is going along just fine. I'm also here to guarantee you that it will NOT be replaced, no matter how much Blue Ray/HD-DVD players and HDTV's drop in price, until my current TV dies, or the signals being sent to it from Dish Network and my DVD player quit working with it.

That being said, adding the fact that I am not alone in the US (let alone the rest of the world) in this line of thought, DVD's will, in fact, be around for a while. If they are not, then the movie studios are going to notice a sudden drop in revenue as people such as myself forgo purchasing ANY media and get it via the internet instead (legally or not).

Re:I might buy at that price.... (2, Funny)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769561)

My 10-12 year old VCR is still working fine. Strangely the 2 year old DVD player and satellite TV aren't; I can't skip the ads on the DVD player and I can't find anything in 200 channels that isn't an ad...

Re:I might buy at that price.... (1)

Meatloaf Surprise (1017210) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769989)

Here's what will happen: The HD formats are currently being purchased by the upperclass with the disposable income to waste on high definition players for their high definition tvs. They will demand stores start carrying more hd titles, which they will and prices will begin to go down enough for most of the middle class to adopt the new format. Then, stores will realize that the new format(s) are selling better than the ancient formats and since self space ain't cheap, they will get rid of dvds in favor of the newer, more popular format(s). From this point, the lower class will be basically forced to switch to the new format(s) because they won't be able to find any newer movies/other content on the older format.

It's only a matter of time. I'll give it two years.

Re:I might buy at that price.... (1)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768341)

But a few years later you could buy a fully-spec'd multi-region DVD player for $50. Plus DVDs are already being phased out in favour of a new technology, making your investment overpriced and shortlived. And yet here you are about to do the same thing all over again. It seems you just don't learn.

Huh?

Are you saying he should wait a few more years for blu-ray players to lower their costs to around 50 dollars, at a point where BRDVD are going to be phased out in favour of a new technology?

Would it be deemed unreasonable that he could have bought the $1000 dvd player over ten years ago?

Re:I might buy at that price.... (0, Flamebait)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768543)

My point was that he could've saved $1000 and skipped the DVD altogether. Or waited maybe 2-3 years and saved $800 or more.

The question would be whether the extra time he had with the technology was worth the premium he paid for early adoption. Maybe for him it was worth it, but I know for myself and I imagine most others it wouldn't be. The same situation applies to Blu-Ray, perhaps even more so since there's still the possibility it will lose the format war.

Re:I might buy at that price.... (2, Interesting)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768071)

I bought a ps3 back in January, mostly for Blu-ray. If you get a chance, try and get the Planet Earth documentary - absolutely stunning. I also bought a dvd copy of Planet Earth for my coworker, and while it still looks good - it's true: you really can't go back once you go HD.

I'm sure the console is nice too :-) In all seriousness, my friends have been coming over, downloading demos like Gran Tourismo and Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and they do indeed look very pretty, I just haven't been interested in playing anything lately.

But as a Blu-ray player, I picked up a bluetooth remote and some movies. I was good to go.

Re:I might buy at that price.... (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768777)

Hell, I paid $1000 for my DVD player!!!

please tell me she is really, REALLY good in bed with the power out.....

Nice, but not enough (3, Interesting)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767657)

I bought a Wii and a DS:Lite on a whim, but $500 is simply too much. I'll consider it when it is around $300.

Re:Nice, but not enough (-1, Troll)

benzapp (464105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767843)

Your personal whims are irrelevant. The Wii and the PS3 are simply not comparable products, and the sales history for them is irrelevant. For someone like myself who has a nice 46" LCD, the Wii is just a waste of money. $250 is too much for a low power game console that looks like shit on my $2000 television. I'd rather go spend $250 on a nice dinner. The PS3 is targeted towards people who have higher end setups and are in a higher income bracket than yourself.

Re:Nice, but not enough (2, Insightful)

ThePiMan2003 (676665) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767975)

Wow you really think highly of yourself. There is a LOT more to a video game console than how it will look on your TV no matter what the price. The Wii is simply FUN. Its about the games. If all you care about is how it looks than enjoy your PS3, I prefer a system that I can actually sit down at with my wife and play games on.

Re:Nice, but not enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19769267)

Its about the games.
And that's precisely why I haven't bought a Wii and probably won't for a good while either. After Manhunt 2 got banned the only Wii game that interests me is Resident Evil 4, and that's not enough to sell the system. Especially since it's a re-release of a game I already own.

Re:Nice, but not enough (5, Insightful)

doombringerltx (1109389) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768083)

Chilli-cheese dogs taste better than caviar and the wii is more fun PS3. Money isn't everything

Re:Nice, but not enough (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769585)

Okay, I love my Wii and all, but have you had really high end caviar?

Re:Nice, but not enough (1)

MajinBlayze (942250) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770105)

By the way I fertilized your caviar."

--Zoidberg

Re:Nice, but not enough (3, Insightful)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768455)

Oh, so the rest of us with bigger, better setups that are playing the Wii are just wrong. After all, there is a law against having a 4K+ entertainment center and using a component input to play the Wii. I guess I'm breaking the law.

You are right on one point though: The PS3 and the Wii are not comparable products: One is a console with a bunch of good games, the other is a bad Blu-ray player that has an anemic game library. That's why one is selling well, and the other is tanking. Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo: all 2008 titles.

Re:Nice, but not enough (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768485)

1. The Wii and the PS3 are simply not comparable products

You're right. One is fun and the other is over priced.

2. the sales history for them is irrelevant.

You're a troll. Sony got cocky and Nintendo is kicking their ass for losing sight of the consumers demands.

3. For someone like myself who has a nice 46" LCD... $2000 television.

Your LCD looks like shit compared to my 43" Pioneer Elite. I love watching DiscoveryHD and various other channels. I do not however, need it for gaming. I have a PC that is more than capable and it cost less than a PS3.

4. The PS3 is targeted towards people who have higher end setups and are in a higher income bracket than yourself.

I make a pretty decent wage. That doesn't change the fact that I, unlike you, do not gravitate towards 'shiny' things. Money does not determine a persons worth and it certainly will not make them happy.

Re:Nice, but not enough (4, Funny)

AdmiralWeirdbeard (832807) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768853)

Money does not determine a persons worth and it certainly will not make them happy.
yes, hi, Homeland Security? I found one of the terrorists. see above.

Dual-promotions... (5, Funny)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767713)

This and the 5 free blu-ray discs promotion will be happening simultaneously. If they promote both aggressively, I can imagine sales jumping quite a bit.

Then again, Sony will probably just release an ad with a monkey in a diaper and not mention anything relevant at all.

Re:Dual-promotions... (4, Funny)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768289)

Then again, Sony will probably just release an ad with a monkey in a diaper

Interesting. Usually ad execs don't star in their own commercials.

Re:Dual-promotions... (1)

adisakp (705706) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768411)

On the more serious side, a couple weeks ago Best Buy had a promotion where if you bought one of several Sony 1080P TVs (like their nice $2,000 42" LCD) and a couple PS3 games with a PS3, they knocked $600 off the package price, effectively giving you a PS3 for free. If I didn't already have a PS3 and a LCD TV, I would have considered dropping the dough.

Wii (5, Funny)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767749)

Now Nintendo will only be beating them 5 to 1 instead of 6 to 1.

Re:Wii (-1, Troll)

benzapp (464105) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767893)

And Toyotas sell 5 times as many units as Lexus. Who cares?

Re:Wii (3, Insightful)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768477)

And Toyotas sell 5 times as many units as Lexus. Who cares?

Well, both Toyotas and Lexuses use the same gasoline. If fuel was brand-specific, Lexus owners might be SOL.

/car analogies ftw!

Re:Wii (4, Informative)

AdmiralWeirdbeard (832807) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768905)

AFAIK, they're also the same company...

Re:Wii (0)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770181)

If Nintendo keeps shipping approximately zero Wiis into the US market, the gap will close eventually.

There are several stores in my area, including my local Target, who have said they haven't had a Wii shipment in over a month. Easy to be "sold out" of something you never have in the first place...

There is no excuse for a shortage anymore. They should be able to meet demand by now.

Obligatory (3, Funny)

coop247 (974899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767855)

Figures, I just bought one a week ago. My sacrifice is for the good of the people.

Re:Obligatory (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768539)

Most stores have a price match guarantee. I'm pretty sure Best Buy will refund you the difference if the sale is within a week or two.

probably not a sale (4, Informative)

SolusSD (680489) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767913)

I sued to work electronics retail (best buy.. ughh), anyway- there is NO markup on game consoles, places like best buy and circuit city make their money by selling games, services, and accessories for the consoles. I highly doubt circuit city is willing to take a >$100 hit on each ps3.

Re:probably not a sale (1)

SolusSD (680489) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767947)

edit:: > use to work

Re:probably not a sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19769189)

edit: used to work

Re:probably not a sale (3, Funny)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769707)

I like your original version better. I figured you must have really wanted in the industry to go to such great lengths. :-D

Great Price (2, Insightful)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19767977)

It's hard to justify buying an Xbox 360 if Sony does cut their prices. There's so much more you get with the PS3 including HDMI, Blu-Ray drive for movies AND games, built in WiFi, free online forever, soon to be free MMO (Home), and HDMI. Looks like Microsoft may have to cut their own prices to compete.

Re:Great Price (1)

cxreg (44671) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768057)

and they're going to be hurting if they do, considering that the Xbox division has never been profitable, and just when it seemed like that might happen, they have to drop a billion bucks on warranty extensions and cut the price to stay competitive

Re:Great Price (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769165)

But for $499 (assuming you buy online) you can get an Xbox 360 pro bundle with 4 games, PLUS the HD-DVD add on drive. Makes them quite comparable IMO.

How about games? (0)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770107)

It's hard to justify buying an Xbox 360 if Sony does cut their prices.

How about a great line of games and a platform that developers have shown a commitment to producing more for?

I have yet to see the "killer" game, the one that would make someone have to have a PS3. Lacking that, the fact that almost all games available for the PS3--plus way more--are also available on the Xbox 360 would make it a much better platform to buy. Remember, most people buy gaming platforms based not on nebulous potential and mere claims of superiority, and most people don't buy gaming platforms based on its ability to play movies, especially in a format that still has virutally no market penetration.

Most people (and yes, there are exceptions) buy gaming platforms based on having really great games at a pretty good price point. In fact, the last time I looked, the PS2 was still outselling the PS3. This could have shifted by now, but I don't think it has. To me, this indicates that people still don't value the marginal improvement of the PS3 over the PS2 to be worth the price difference. The marginal improvement of the PS3 over the Xbox 360 is debatable, but very minor at best, and the price difference is still significant.

My prediction? Yes, if they drop the price of the PS3 by $100, they will sell a few more units, but it will still be a distant third in the current generation console war. After screwing up the launch so badly and not giving people the features and games they expected for that premium price, it's too little, too late.

Maybe they'll learn their lessons in engineering and marketing the PS4. If anything good can come to Sony from the PS3 debacle and Ken Kutaragi's departure, maybe it's a healthy dose of much-needed humility. As the company is so painfully aware of now, Microsoft and Nintendo aren't stupid, and maybe now they'll start treating them as serious competitors they are. And maybe, just maybe, it will stop thinking so much about what Sony wants and start thinking about its customers want.

(But I kind of doubt it.)

Not really a price cut in my opinion. (0, Troll)

Dardin (1124643) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768003)

All they did is take the 60gig version and price at it at the discontinued 20gig version.

Re:Not really a price cut in my opinion. (1)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768097)

Don't forget that the 60 gig version has WiFi while the 20 gig version does not.

It really is a price cut. Most people were only interested in getting the 60 gig version because of the perception that the 20 gig version was a gimped console even though it really isn't.

Re:Not really a price cut in my opinion. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19769537)

> Don't forget that the 60 gig version has WiFi while the 20 gig version does not.

Whoopee. Plug your console into a wireless router. WiFi is nice for portable devices, a boondoggle on everything else. The card slots aren't even much of a draw, since the USB ports work just as well for plugging in an iPod or what have you.

Stop Rumour Mongering! (0, Troll)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768015)

I beg slashdot can we stop with the rumour mongering, I've finally settled on getting a PS3 when its price drops to a decent level because I figure it will be a better long term investment I've come to terms with the fact I've decided on a console because "it will be a better long term investment". Can we please stop posting stupid rumours and getting my hopes up, honestly I don't see the PS3 price going down before GTAIV.

Re:Stop Rumour Mongering! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19768065)

I beg slashdot can we stop with the rumour mongering, I've finally settled on getting a PS3 when its price drops to a decent level because I figure it will be a better long term investment I've come to terms with the fact I've decided on a console because "it will be a better long term investment". Can we please stop posting stupid rumours and getting my hopes up, honestly I don't see the PS3 price going down before GTAIV.
How is a console a long-term investment? Are you planning on selling it in 50 years for $2000 or something? I think you'll be sorely disappointed.

Re:Stop Rumour Mongering! (1)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768465)

Hours of fun per pound, I like to have fun most of my activities cost a fair bit by buying a PS3 I figure I'll get the same usage that I have out of my PS2. I can't go rock climbing, pitch 'n putt, Bowling, Cinema, riding, drinking every night of the week and so with my dead time I usually read, buy a DVD or buy some programming reference book to learn a language. My reading rate is extremely fast and a 1000 page book can't be expected to last me more than a couple of hours*, my DVD collection is vast but there are only some many times you can watch a film within a certain period of time.

Console games allow you to hang out with friends and provide fun. I was heavily thinking about a Xbox360 but the smaller DVD size (when compared to the original Xbox) and the requirement that games not be HD-DVD disc only or Hard drive only is something I think will hurt the Xbox360 in the long run and probably force anouther upgrade

Perhaps long-term investment isn't correct I'm not looking for finical return on my item I'm comparing hours of enjoyment against cost and how long I think the console is going to last before I have to fork out some cash again.

Re:Stop Rumour Mongering! (1)

vigmeister (1112659) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769685)

My reading rate is extremely fast and a 1000 page book can't be expected to last me more than a couple of hours*
Maybe you should read better books? Try Salman Rushdie; you'll be reading the same 4 pages about 10 times before you connect the dots... It's fun!

Cheers!

Re:Stop Rumour Mongering! (1)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768545)

If you wait for the PS3 to come down to a reasonable price, it won't be a very long-term investment at all, seeing as the next-next gen of consoles will be right around the corner.

I suppose you could always be a generation behind, but other people would be playing GTA4 on a much cheaper console in the meantime.

w000000000t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19768185)

Now we can all play Genji for only $560! Amazing value.

Impact on eBay? (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768377)

I wonder how much of an impact this'll have on the price of 20GB models sitting around on eBay?

They're going to have to drop a certain amount below $500...and if I can get my hands on cell processors at $3-400 a pop, I'll be very happy indeed.

Why? (1)

Eponymous Crowbar (974055) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768583)

Seriously, I would take one if they gave it away for free... But I can't even think of one game I really want to play on it, and I am not planning to buy any bluray movies. I wouldn't even unbox it. I have a 360 and a Wii. It's too late to care about the PS3.

$500 is a steal, why are people being so difficult (4, Informative)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#19768613)

I know Sony hating has been popular on slashdot, and I like to try and separate this from the PS3. I've got years of good karma banked, so I'm going to spend 5 minutes making a list of what my PS3 does, for its price.

  • Plays PS3 games
  • Plays Blu-Ray discs.
  • Upconverting (1080i) DVD player
  • Cross platform (Win/Mac/Linux) streaming media player (H.264, MPEG2,Many AVI-contained formats)
  • Local media player (variety of flash memory cards and external hard drives)
  • Can browse the internet w/ flash support
  • Can access sonys (admitted lackluster, but definitely there) Online Store.
    • Sonys online store deals in real money, not points (which are only bought in increments which do not divide evenly into common prices).
    • Sonys online store offers PSP content if you have one (more and more people do, they are becoming quite common now)
  • Plays a variety of farily good online content, with feature titles including Calling All Cars and the recent Super Stardust HD.
  • Can play most PS2 games with excellent upscaling (looks great) (nearly all games with non-UK release)
  • Can play most PS1 games (non-UK release) (upconversion to 480p, looks about as good as youd expect from such old tech)
  • Uses standard bluetooth and USB for all peripherals. You can use your existing bluetooth headset.
  • It can run linux. It cannot access the video hardware, but thats boring anyways. The Cell processor is far more exciting.
  • 802.11b/g right out of the box. No external adaptor required.
  • While PS3 failure is not unheard of, the box has an unquestionably better reliability rate than the Xbox 360, its major competitor.


To get an Xbox 360 that is feature competitive (elite or not), you're going to be paying within $50 of the price of the current PS3. And even then, the Xbox 360 is far less cross-platform friendly, using nonstandard technology for its media streaming and peripherals. And you'll need to spend extra money for a HD-DVD box (if that's your thing). If you're considering buying a traditional game console, the PS3 is very competitive to the XBox 360 (especially so given the troubling reliability issues with the 360, I myself am on my third which refuses to play Gears of War!)

In comparison to the Wii, I advise you go for the Wii first unless you have a big PS2 game selection, in which case the PS3 will probably be a better value. The Wii and PS3 are both game systems, but the Wii is the interesting bargain product and the PS3 is the luxury product. This is not a representation of Wii dominance, it's a representation of supply/demand economics and how they interact with MSRPs. For many people, the Wii is a lever to get gaming into homes that aren't otherwise receptive to it. That's awesome, it's the tide that raises all the boats, and no one can deny the Wii is an interesting an innovative console. I like it, I waited overnight for mine, I endorse it.

But right now, the Wii isn't much more atttractive a platform than the PS3, if you get fair about the comparison. It's only got three really great titles (WiiPlay, Zelda and Paper Mario) and a release schedule that's nearly as lackluster as the PS3's. It's got a lot of development difficulty (instead of wrangling the cell, you're designing for a completely new and somewhat alien control system that requires a lot of realtime analysis of multiple data streams).

I totally understand waiting on buying a PS3. The platform only has a few really great titles right now (Motorstorm and recently the revised Ninja Gaiden Sigma), so it's entirely reasonable to wait. But to say that this $100 price drop doesn't make it competitive is just absurd and it's hater-aide. Don't buy into the anti-hype surrounding the platform.

Disclosure: I own all 3 consoles, a high def television. I am a supporter of Blu-ray as a recordable data standard. My Wii has stayed quiet since I beat Paper Mario, my Xbox 360 (2rd replacement) has just shown hardware defects and I'm told to send it in again. I do not work or take money from any video game company or Sony. I run both mac and linux boxes in my home, so an open media streaming capability is important to me.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (1, Insightful)

Bluesman (104513) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769299)

>Upconverting (1080i) DVD player

Huh? My PS3 doesn't do this.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (1)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769893)

Unless you've been stalling a system update, it sure does. Run a DVD and have your tv show the output signal.

The PS3 is _slightly_ better than my TV's built in scaler for going from 480->1080, so I'm using it for now.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (4, Informative)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769903)

Update your firmware to 1.80 or higher. PS3 didn't ship with upconverting working, but it was released in the update a few weeks ago.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770049)

Update your system software. Upconverting DVDs got added in the latest system update.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (2, Interesting)

antime (739998) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769353)

I would assume that with a price drop Sony would switch to the EE-less PS3 everywhere, meaning backwards compatiblity takes a hit.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19769451)

Xbox 360 upscales DVDs and video files/streams to 1080i just great. It is very unfortunate that it only support streaming from Windows based computers, but that's a side effect of it being made by Microsoft. They don't play nice with others, and it's a damn shame.
Backwards compatibility is a weird issue to talk about, PS3 certainly does well with the US and Japan release, but in Europe we're kinda screwed. The Xbox 360 also doesn't UPSCALE old games like the PS3 does, it renders the graphics at a higher resolution and even improves the draw distance and anti-aliasing in many games. The improvement is clear even on an SDTV set, but it's amazing to watch the difference on an HDTV. Of course the real draw is the next gen games, but I still love playing Fable and Jade Empire, so it's a really nice treat.

That said, I'm probably going to get a PS3 when it drops in price. To me Blu-ray is not a draw, so it doesn't justify the price in any way. I want the games, and if Sony delivers on their claims about multiple language tracks I'm completely sold. There's nothing I'd love more than to play FFXIII in glorious HD with japanese voice actors.

There's no question that the PS3 has a ton more potential for new games than the Xbox 360 has. Unfortunately potential means jack and shit if you don't have the games and the features, so lets just see if they can deliver.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (4, Insightful)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769651)

  • Upconverting (1080i) DVD player
  • Cross platform (Win/Mac/Linux) streaming media player (H.264, MPEG2,Many AVI-contained formats)
  • Local media player (variety of flash memory cards and external hard drives)
  • Can browse the internet w/ flash support
  • Plays a variety of farily good online content, with feature titles including Calling All Cars and the recent Super Stardust HD.
  • Uses standard bluetooth and USB for all peripherals. You can use your existing bluetooth headset.
  • It can run linux. It cannot access the video hardware, but thats boring anyways. The Cell processor is far more exciting.
  • 802.11b/g right out of the box. No external adaptor required.

With the exception of the Cell processor and a different selection of "fairly good online content", I already own something that does all of these things. And unless you're also using your PS3 to post on Slashdot, so do you.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (1)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770013)

With the exception of the Cell processor and a different selection of "fairly good online content", I already own something that does all of these things. And unless you're also using your PS3 to post on Slashdot, so do you.


Well, snarkily I note you left the online store content in there. But...

Most computers are busy doing other things, and make . If you've got a media PC already hooked up, great for you. Don't get a PS3. I am not trying to tell you that you should buy a PS3. I am just saying that a $500 price tag is a competitive one for the device feature set. Quite frankly, it's a better value than the XBox 360.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770075)

Come on, man. This isn't about comparing our consoles to our PCs, this is about comparing consoles to consoles.
  • Someone might want to do all those things specifically on their console
  • As long as you're going as far as you have, you might as well say "I can play games on my PC, thus I don't need any console at all!"
You really are comparing apples and oranges here.

Re:$500 is a steal, why are people being so diffic (1)

valathax (916966) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770157)

It doesn't matter if the PS3 does 20 different things that the x360 doesn't, people just want to play games. For this job a x360 and/or a wii is a better value.

Don't base your decision on HD movies (0)

llZENll (545605) | more than 7 years ago | (#19769415)

I bought a 199 HD player a few weeks ago and will be returning it, I only rent as buying any media is a total waste of money, and the HD rental market just isn't there yet. Blockbuster online has released a grand total of 7 HD-DVD movies in all of 2007, all of 2007! Their bluray selection is a little better at about 8 2007 movies! lol. Netflix is about the same.

At the store they have about 40 of each format, most of them are very old. Both formats are releasing hundreds of movies per month, but for some reason the rental places just aren't buying and renting them, which doesn't make any sense for online rentals as they have a combined stock and should have every movie ever made in every format, but they aren't even close.

If you want HD movies, just DL them over xbox live, or use cable on demand. My guess is in 2008 the HD rental market should pick up after everyone has their new HD player, over 30% of US households now have an HDTV believe it or not, but right now the rental market is just outright worthless.

Re:Don't base your decision on HD movies (1)

MajinBlayze (942250) | more than 7 years ago | (#19770253)

I bought a 199 HD player a few weeks ago and will be returning it, I only rent as buying any media is a total waste of money, and the HD rental market just isn't there yet. Blockbuster online has released a grand total of 7 HD-DVD movies in all of 2007, all of 2007! Their bluray selection is a little better at about 8 2007 movies! lol. Netflix is about the same.

And how many movies published in 2007 are even available on standard DVDs yet?

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