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$499 PlayStation 3 Confirmed

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the finally-come-down-a-bit dept.

Sony 555

Gamespot is reporting that the rumoured price drop from earlier this week is a reality. Starting on July 10th, the current 60GB model will sell for $499. Coming to US shores in August is the 80GB version only available in South Korea at the moment, which will retail for $599. They're bundling that unit with Motorstorm, so it's not just another 20 gigs for $100. "The price drop further indicates that, after a slow start, Sony is now aggressively trying to expand its customer base in the US. The move comes none too soon. According to the latest figures from industry-research firm the NPD Group, the PS3 only sold 82,000 units in the US in May, compared to the Xbox 360's 155,000 units and the Wii's 338,000 units." So, is this it? Will this price drop make you buy a PS3, or are you still holding off for the big games this fall?

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Blu-Ray (5, Interesting)

Brad1138 (590148) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795369)

I want one for the Blu-Ray player. I have a 61" DLP set that is just screaming for Blu-Ray or HD DVD, Personally I like Blu-Ray. Currently stand alone Blu-Ray players are $650+ (from a quick Google search). From the reviews I have read [pcworld.com] it holds up fairly well against them. Plus an awesome gaming machine.

Re:Blu-Ray (5, Insightful)

wawannem (591061) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795445)

As a parent of a child that *really* wants a PS3, I can say that the price has been the biggest barrier. It's hard to justify this sort of expenditure for a twelve-year-old... I sort of feel like he'll grow up like his gaming-geek old man if I give in and buy one. I'm glad to see that they are coming down in price. -W

Re:Blu-Ray (0)

dattaway (3088) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795619)

I want it for the Blu-Ray too. They make great laser pointers. Not sure what I'd do with rest of the hardware.

Re:Blu-Ray (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795787)

I hope your not starting a buisness selling the pointers, because your competition [slashdot.org] has a huge head start. You may not have a new buisness, but at least you still have your humor...

Re:Blu-Ray (1)

GizmoToy (450886) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795649)

I was set on buying a PS3 and a Wii for the longest time. The BluRay player is a nice addition. The only real barrier was price, but Sony's arrogance on the whole matter has made me reconsider the XBox 360 as my second machine. Sony really botched their launch, and I think it'll probably take a bigger price break than what they're offering to recover from their current slide.

It's too bad, too, because technologically it looks like a great machine.

Re:Blu-Ray (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796241)

Yeah, but as much as I love my 360(and the fact it hasn't broken on me since i got it at launch), and despite the fact I will not purchase sony products.

The xbox360 has to many issues to justify its purchase, MS is already looking for ways to avoid the warranty, and frankly sony now has a chance to rub this in their faces...

The 360 could be in deep shit right now.

First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795373)

The price is still a little steep in my opinion but I think it's a lot more reasonable now..Hopefully by Holiday season it'll be low enough for those of us who can't justify a ps3 when we have 3000+ computers already.

Re:First Post (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795413)

Wow, you have 3000+ computers and you can't afford a single PS3? It really must be that expensive:)

Re:First Post (1)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795755)

He didn't say he couldn't afford it; he said that he, cannot justify buying one... big difference.

Don't feel too bad about it, though; Sony made the same mistake. :)

Waiting for Metal Gear (3, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795387)

It's the only game I need that's only for PS3. I might even wait until they port it though. $500 for one game is too expensive.

Also going to wait to see what Wii games are out this Christmas. With the immense popularity, I expect Wii will get a surge of games - but knowing that games take time to make, I wonder when it will happen. Perhaps Fall of '08.

Re:Waiting for Metal Gear (2, Interesting)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795735)

I was going to wait as well for Metal Gear. However, I might pick one up. I have a 46" 1080p Sharp that would love to have BluRay to watch on.

As for the Wii and new games, I would love to see more games on the Wii, being that I have had one since release day (was up in line at 5:45am). My only concern is that the games will be horrible ports from other systems. The uniqueness of the Wii controllers is not something that makes it easy to slap on any old game that was designed for something else. You need to have really thought out what you can do with the controls and have that in mind when making the interface. I dread the thought of simply swinging the wii numchuk around in circles to make my character get up after falling down or some other non-intuitive, tedious motion to make something happen. For many actions in a game and button is just a better idea. However, there will be places and times to use the movements and sensitivity of the Wii controllers have to offer. Things that are intuitive, like using it to control a swords movements or turn a door nob, or grasp an item (yes, you can do this very will with the combination of the buttons on top and bottom of the remote, plus force feedback, this is very possible). But don't have me randomly shaking the remotes just to do something like push back someone who has grappled me in "Call of Duty", or shake the numchuk to change weapons, etc., etc... Use your brain here and use motions where they make sense, not just to add motions to your interface. You shouldn't have to read the instruction manual to figure out that you have to shake the numchuk up and down to make the character use a grenade, it should just be intuitive...

Imagaine blah blah cluster (-1, Offtopic)

Curl E (226133) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795409)

Yeah, it runs linux [netlib.org] .

"aggressively"? (4, Insightful)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795423)

Calling a $500 price "aggressive" may not be appropriate, really. Realistic, perhaps; it's still $200 pricier than an HD-DVD player or a basic XBox 360. I'd call it barely reasonable, but not aggressive.

Re:"aggressively"? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795447)

I'd call lowering the price point of a console only 8 months after it's release aggressive. It took Sony like 2 years to do the same for PSP.

Re:"aggressively"? (3, Insightful)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795457)

Not considering the original price, and not considering they've been staying on shelves in droves.

Re:"aggressively"? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795515)

Calling a $500 price "aggressive" may not be appropriate, really. Realistic, perhaps; it's still $200 pricier than an HD-DVD player or a basic XBox 360. I'd call it barely reasonable, but not aggressive.



You don't have to take that offer. $500 is just what I ask. How is your wife and kids doing?

Re:"aggressively"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795595)

Is that even a fair comparison? If you add in the $400 xbox 360 (which is more comparable to the ps3 hardware), and the HD-DVD player together you have around $700. Which is what you get in return for buying a PS3 now for $500. Even if you add in the addon HD-DVD player for the xbox 360 it is still at $600 (and you get 20 less gigs)...

Personally I've been on the fence on buying either of these, and since both push to have hd tv's to get the most out of the system. Why wouldn't I want to buy one now that not only supports HD games, but I can also get the advantage of HD movies. With bad press on Xbox 360 system reliability right now, and Sony willing to at least listen a little from it's consumer base about price issues. It would seem like Sony will come out as the good guys here (well maybe just decent... =p), while MS after having their system out for 2 years now almost only was willing to drop their price because a competitor forced their hands (that is if they are even wiling to drop the price).

Re:"aggressively"? (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795683)

If you want both a game system AND an HD player, then yes, it's "reasonable". If you're really only looking for a game system, and HD movies are secondary, then maybe not. Same if you only want a video player and don't do much gaming. I stand by my statement.

Re:"aggressively"? (2, Insightful)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795885)

Why wouldn't I want to buy one now that not only supports HD games, but I can also get the advantage of HD movies

If you're looking for something to play games, you have to compare what's available for the system and what will be out in the short term (in the long term, you can wait for another price drop). That's the biggest problem with the PS3 right now -- there's no system seller game that makes any price worth it. If you're buying it as a Blu-Ray player, $500 is competitive to stand-alone Blu-Ray players and may be worthwhile. If you just want generic "HD movies" rather than following certain studios to one of the two formats, the Xbox 360 without HD-DVD is a better deal (online downloads of HD movies, streaming video and media center functionality at a lower price than PS3) or you'd wait until the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray issue sorts itself out.

With bad press on Xbox 360 system reliability right now

A 3 year warranty for ring of death issues is pretty generous. Reliability would not be my biggest concern about buying a 360 right now. If I was in the market for a 360, I'd be wondering whether or not Microsoft will respond to Sony's price drop with a cut of their own. Sony might succeed in making some people wait on 360 purchases to see if there's a price drop coming, but I doubt they'll convert many of those people to PS3.

Sony willing to at least listen a little from it's consumer base about price issues

This feels more like Sony being pressured into a price drop due to poor sales more than anything else. If it was a "listening to the customer" deal, Sony would be shouting it loud all over the place. As it is, there's no mention of the price drop on the official PS3 blog [playstation.com] , which would be the first place I'd expect this to show up if it was Sony "listening to customers".

while MS after having their system out for 2 years now almost only was willing to drop their price because a competitor forced their hands (that is if they are even wiling to drop the price).

Why should MS drop their price? They're still priced below the PS3 even with their top offering (the Elite at $480). People are still buying, there's no credible threat from PS3, and there's no way for MS to drop prices into Wii territory. Maybe this Sony price drop will cause enough of a stir to force MS to drop prices as well. Maybe not. At this point, it's pure economics -- if demand at the current price is too low, Microsoft will drop the price. If it's not, they won't. There's nothing "good" or "bad" about it.

I will admit that I briefly considered buying a PS3 with this new price drop, but I've ultimately decided against because $500 is still too much for the available games and I don't care about Blu-Ray yet (I'll wait for a clear winner to emerge). Another $100, bringing the 60GB down to $400, and I'd probably buy it. For now, I'll wait until there's a system seller that I have to have. From here on out, I can only save money by waiting.

Re:"aggressively"? (-1, Troll)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795607)

Realistic, perhaps; it's still $200 pricier than an HD-DVD player or a basic XBox 360. I'd call it barely reasonable, but not aggressive.

How is $499 $200 more dollars than $679? ($479 for the Xbox 360 Elite, the only model with HDMI out and $200 for the HD DVD attachment).

Re:"aggressively"? (1, Interesting)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795741)

Hmmm. Let's see. He said "basic XBox 360". You quoted the price for the top of the line 360 with the most expensive add-on available. But you're clearly just trolling. You know that $499 less $200 is $299. And you know that $299 is the price of the 360 core. But you wandered off like PS3 fanboys always do. What you (and Sony) forget is that some people buy a game console just to play games. And if you just play games the PS3 is horribly overpriced. Even at $499, it will still be way more expensive than the competition (by 66% to 100%).

Re:"aggressively"? (2, Interesting)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795797)

And you know that $299 is the price of the 360 core. But you wandered off like PS3 fanboys always do. What you (and Sony) forget is that some people buy a game console just to play games.

And you did what MS fanboys always do. You assumed someone can play games on the $299 Core. The Core system doesn't have a hard drive or memory card, which is necessary [xbox.com] for online play or to play original Xbox games. So you have to pay extra for either of these if you want to play online games. A hard drive is required to play Xbox games.

So yes, you can play games on the Xbox 360 Core system for $299, assuming you don't want to play online and don't want to play original Xbox games.

Re:"aggressively"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795811)

yes, but where are you going to be renting HD-DVDs? What are you going to buy on HD-DVD..

Disdain (1, Insightful)

RedElf (249078) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795429)

Sony's continual disdain toward customers over the past few years was the guaranteed nail in the coffin for me. My hard earned cash will go to entertainment elsewhere.

A new motorcycle is looking much more tempting, entertaining, and far more invigorating than a PS/3 could ever be.

Sorry Sony it was just too little too late, better luck next time.

Re:Disdain (1)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795583)

Go with that feeling. Get the motercycle.

Re:Disdain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19796221)

Sony's continual disdain toward customers over the past few years

Pardon my ignorance, but how is them selling their system at a $300 loss "disdain towards customers"? I'm personally grateful to get such a powerful piece of machinery on their dime. They're one PR disaster after another, but nothing about the PS3 is actually anti-consumer whatsoever. In fact, it's much more pro-consumer than the Microsoft system, with USB storage, SATA drive, bluetooth headset, linux support...

I know Sony hate is all the rage, but let's not get stupid

Re:Disdain (1)

illeism (953119) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796291)

selling their system at a $300 loss
I wonder about that these days... there has been no new news about the construction costs. Those costs could have come down substantially.

Why should it? (5, Interesting)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795431)

It wouldnt make me bite when it was this much for the 20 gig... why should the 60 dropping 100 buck matter, its till more costly than a 360 which atm has more games.

And honestly looking at FFXIII despite being a huge FF fanboy doesnt make me bite at all, not for 500 dollars. As for the other PS3 killer apps right now, more than a few are actually out or coming out on the 360, which I already own.

Im sure a bunch of people are going to jump on me with bluray this, and HDMI that, but quite frankly Sony really think about what made their PS2 a huge seller. They though it was the diehards, and built a system perfect for them. What they forgot was the casuals, of which the 100 dollar PS2 became a big seller not the 300 dollar original pricetag version.

Re:Why should it? (1)

ect5150 (700619) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795555)

And honestly looking at FFXIII despite being a huge FF fanboy doesnt make me bite at all, not for 500 dollars.
Same here. I think when FF 13, 14 & 15 are out and the price is $300, I'll bite.

Re:Why should it? (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795629)

Oh my, you're an early adopter.

For me, it was PS2 at $120, FFXII at $50, and all of the other PS2 FF releeases for $10 each used.

Likewise, I definately will not be buying the PS3 until the PS4 comes out. As opposed to the Wii, which had an opportunity limited only by lack of availability for 6 months before losing the competition to a new DSLR camera and some glass for aforementioned camera. No more room left in the budget for gaming systems anymore...

Re:Why should it? (1)

DaSH Alpha (979904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795705)

Yup, sell it for maybe $400 and pack in FFXII and maybe I'll consider buying... Only reason I got the PSX in the first place was FFVII (but got to enjoy Castlevania SOTN, FF:Tactics and a few others); eventually got a PS2 primarily for SquareEnix games also. I'm wishing Sony would go away and SquareEnix would move any PS3 exclusives to the XBox 360 instead.

Re:Why should it? (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796191)

Well at this point, I think the more interesting SE games are coming out for the Nintendo systems. Between the two FF:CC games coming out, and Dragon Warrior, who needs a proper FF game that will likely be all graphics and cutscenes and no story and gameplay. FFXII was a start, but at the moment post SNES Final Fantasy has 2 good story games going for it, and 3 1/2 ooh look at the pretty pictures ones (I count FFXI as a half since while it didnt start out with a decent story, the last two expansions have had some impressive storyline going for it, especially Chains of Promathia.)

More RAM (0)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795437)

So they drop the price $50. That's how much one game costs.

What the PS3 needs is expandable RAM, to more than 256/512MB. Not for the games, though they'd probably benefit to become more complex. But to run Linux on it [psubuntu.com] , of course.

Re:More RAM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19796179)

It's a good thing that Sony doesn't listen to people like you. Expandable RAM to run Linux? lol...

Playstation 3 will retail... (1)

SnoopJeDi (859765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795439)

...for $499 USD? Zing. It's Bridge Racer! BRIIIIIDGE RACER.

what did they expect? (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795443)

I mean really.. more then 500 bucks for a game machine? Thats is nuts. I really dont know too many people who spend so much money just to play video games. Yes, I know you can play DVD's on it too, but in my neck of the woods you cant get a blue-ray DVD anyhow...so whats the point? I know the Xbox is not too much less expensive, but in my mind to most consumers, see these two as basically the same thing except one is expensive and one is obscenely expensive. I know that each system has their fan-boys, but my god! Who spends that much cash to sit in front of the tv? Btw, I am not sitting at a desk writing this..laptop in the garden for not much more then a PS3 ;)

Re:what did they expect? (1)

furball (2853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796135)

I mean really.. more then 500 bucks for a game machine? Thats is nuts.


It's not nuts really. You might just not match its targeted demographics for ideal customers. You need to actually put the Xbox360 and PS3 side by side to get a good understanding. The Xbox's drives and fans sound like a small jet plane taking off. The PS3 is dead silent. The only way you can tell it's on is with the LEDs on the device. The build quality of the PS3 is astounding while the Xbox is terrible. I have both; I have every console in fact. I'd rather play on the PS3 than the Xbox any day of the week. One device is a joy to use. The other isn't a joy to use at all.

Who spends that much cash to sit in front of the tv?


People who thinks that $600 isn't a significant amount of money and aren't obligated to sit in front of the TV after spending the money. I mean if a person thinks $600 isn't significant you have to wonder what they spend on that they do feel is significant :)

Full Steam Ahead Credit Card Be Damned! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795449)

With the new 42" Westinghouse 1080ps coming in as being nearly universally loved by the AVSforum crew and cheap cheap.

Plus 5 free Blu-Ray discs. Albeit not the best choices. My credit card is going to be a bit light.

Good think the Corporate American Express Card has no limit :-)

DIE DIE DIE DIE!!! (0, Offtopic)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795661)

You bastard!

I resisted the (rather more expensive) Westinghouse 37" 1080p unit in favor of a Gateway 24" monitor back last December.

Now you're sorely tempting me to go for the (now $1300) 42" 1080p unit...

Re:DIE DIE DIE DIE!!! (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795757)

You can get the 47" Westinghouse 1080p at BJ's Wholesale Club for $1299.

It's excellent. It's also really light-weight (60lbs), allowing you to use one of the (much less expensive) wall mounts that are made for a smaller television.

Re:DIE DIE DIE DIE!!! (1)

|Cozmo| (20603) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796161)

That tv has issues. It locks up about once a week and needs to be unplugged. The HDMI doesn't seem to work with the Toshiba HD-A20 hd-dvd player. It also lacks proper detection/stretching of 4:3 non-hd material. I still love it though.

Where are the damn games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795459)

For the PS3? Or the Wii, for that matter? Why on earth do we have to wait for almost a year after a console is released before getting AAA titles on it?

Games are what will make me decide which console to buy. I got a PS2 first, because of the exclusives. I eventually picked up a GC for Zelda. Until the games start appearing, I'll be sitting on the fence for any of the next-gen systems.

Re:Where are the damn games? (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795493)

It took a while for great games to appear on PS2. Not until a year after it's launch did MGS2 or GTA3 come out... really, it doesn't pay to be an early adopter.

So is this it (5, Funny)

rhendershot (46429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795477)

So, is this it? Will this price drop make you buy a PS3



no.

or are you still holding off for the big games this fall?



no.

All this means to me... (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795481)

...is that now it only needs to be $100 cheaper before I'll buy one.

Maybe, but not for games (1)

lexarius (560925) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795485)

The PS3 is a relatively cheap Cell platform. It might work well as a test bed for some Cell stuff I would like to work on, and I could afford one even without the grant I would need to afford more serious Cell hardware. I have a Wii for games, so I probably wouldn't want it for that purpose. Though I suppose if there was a PS3-only game I just had to play (or was lent and forced to play by gamer friends), I might drag the thing home and play with it, but it's not likely in the near future. Someone forced a PS2 on me a couple years ago, and to this day I have purchased exactly two games for it, and then mostly out of guilt for not utilizing perfectly good gaming hardware.

Re:Maybe, but not for games (1)

The_Dougster (308194) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796219)

That's where I'm at. I could care less whether the PS3 has any games whatsoever available for it so long as there is a robust and *useful* linux system which can be installed on the platform. The Cell architecture would seem to imply that a PS3 might be useful for some sort of network based parallel processing engine. I would love to be able to somehow figure out how to compile something like Code Aster [code-aster.org] for the Cell on PS3, then send meshing jobs to it, or run such as CAE Linux [caelinux.com] .

However, it is really light on RAM for these applications. 2G would probably make it usable, but 512M just won't cut it. I'd still like to pick up a PS3 as a curiosity to fool around with a Cell Linux system, but even $500 is kind of steep for a novelty system. I won't rule it out, I spent around $300 for my Sharp Zaurus Linux PDA, which is more or less a glorified alarm clock and *gee whiz* notepad, so a Cell processor powered unit like a PS3 is basically like one of the old ARM based Netwinder's on steroids. A fairly capable server brain with reasonable power consumption and commodity pricing.

Actually, it would probably make a pretty sweet little home webserver. Now if we can just get Gentoo 64 running on it. Hmmm . . .

In related news... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795501)

When the 80GB PS3 is released in the USA, the average age of 80GB PS3 users is expected to drop from 85 to 23.

Panic Time (5, Informative)

MeanMF (631837) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795523)

This just confirms that Sony is in full-blown panic mode... They keep talking about the long-term viability of the PS3, and I can see why since it is a pretty nice piece of hardware. But they're obviously very worried about their near-term prospects so I could easily see how they'd cut another $100 before the end of the year if things don't turn around quickly.

Re:Panic Time (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795627)

They keep talking about the long-term viability of the PS3, and I can see why since it is a pretty nice piece of hardware.
I'm not sure it's a great piece of gaming hardware. The blu-ray and Cell are indeed good, but the GPU is apparently not. And for a game box, that's pretty darn important.

Re:Panic Time (1)

blackicye (760472) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795863)

The original xbox had a better GPU than the PS2, look where that got them.

Regardless of the hardware, I'd say developer support is the most important. Well that and bribing developers for exclusives doesn't hurt either.

Re:Panic Time (1)

the_greywolf (311406) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796341)

The GPU is roughly mid-range PC hardware now: It's basically a GeForce 7900GT with 256MB VRAM. Quite respectable, and it doesn't seem to get nearly as hot as the 7600GS I have in my PC. On a purely technical level, it's superior to the GPU in the XBox 360.

Programming for it is no different than using OpenGL 2.1 on a PC - the SDK uses an implementation of OpenGL ES with extensions. And, any game can take decent advantage of the SPUs when it uses kits like Havok or an existing 3D engine. As with the PS2, it's only a matter of time (say, 4 years?) before developers learn to take significantly good advantage of the SPUs and GPU. The same is true of any console.

It's just that this console is half a generation too far ahead, overpriced, and has an undeserved reputation for being hard to develop for.

Re:Panic Time (1)

Propaganda13 (312548) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796275)

I really don't think they're worried. There was bad press for the 360, so they figured a price cut now would take advantage of people that were skeptical of 360. Plus Sony isn't totally worried about being 3rd in the gaming market because the PS3 is helping push Blu-Ray. I think Sony is more worried about HD-DVD than the 360.

Don't know about you (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795531)

But I'm holding off until all the DRM disappears and they call off the RIAA dogs. Why should I buy from a company that treats the customer like a crook? All this talk about boycotts is just that, huh?

Re:Don't know about you (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795707)

Because

A) Not everyone climbed on the boycott-sony bandwagon.
B) Not everyone gives a damn about DRM
C) Not everyone is worried about the RIAA "dogs"

That said, I still won't be buying one simply because I already have a 360 (You know, made by the other pro-DRM, pro-monopoly, anti-open-anything company that slashdot loves to hate) and there simply aren't any PS3 exclusives that I care. The only reason I might buy one is to be a blue-ray player, but I don't really watch enough movies to really care even about that.

Re:Don't know about you (1)

Fuzzlekits (909093) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796181)

Just, so you guys know... Sony Electronics, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, and Sony Playstation (That's SCEA SCEE and SCEJ) are all, for the most part, separate companies. Playstation can't say or do much about the DRM issues the others decide on.

Those that fail to learn from history (3, Informative)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795541)

are doomed to repeat it.

Anyone remember the NeoGeo [neo-geo.com] ?

Well anyway it was set to debut at $599 [wikipedia.org] want to know why it didn't do so well? Due to the price. $500 and up game consoles don't sell that well. Sony needs to find a way to lower the price to $299 on the base model and $399 on the advanced model or else the Wii and XBox 360 will eat their lunch.

Those who fail to learn from economics 101 (4, Informative)

Pap22 (1054324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795715)

Get your facts straight, according to your own wiki link:

However, this plan was quickly scrapped and when the system had its national launch it debuted at $649.99
$650 in 1990 dollars is $1120 in 2006 dollars. Not to mention the fact EACH neo geo game cost $200 in 1990 dollars ($313 in 2006 dollars).

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi [westegg.com]

Compared to the neo geo, the PS3 is a flippin bargain.

Re:Those who fail to learn from economics 101 (5, Insightful)

freeweed (309734) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796253)

And $3000 in 1990 dollars, what a half-decent desktop PC cost back then, is $5169 in 2006 dollars. Except a half-decent PC is 1/10th that price. Could you imagine spending $5000+ on a PC these days? Yet they're faster, have more storage, massive improvements in graphics hardware...

Technology gets CHEAPER. Far out-pacing inflation. The PS3 pricing is a joke when compared to any other modern consumer electronics - then again, game consoles pretty much have been for a while now.

Re:Those that fail to learn from history (2, Informative)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795921)

"Well anyway it was set to debut at $599 want to know why it didn't do so well? Due to the price. $500 and up game consoles don't sell that well."

a.) $600 then is a LOT more than $500 now, and I don't just mean the $100 difference. The PS3 has already way out-sold the Neo Geo.

b.) The Neo Geo was NOT a mass market device. It wasn't built to be one, it wasn't marketed as one, and the games weren't designed that way. It was a niche device built for a small number of people that wanted to play arcade games at home.

c.) The GAMES for it were over $200.

The Neo Geo comparison isn't fair at all. You would have been far more apt to point to 3DO.

It won't help (3, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795543)

The PS3 is still too expensive. But the bigger problem is, there just aren't any "must have" games. I was at Wal-Mart the other day, and just for kicks I was looking at the PS3 game selection. There were about, oh, 25 titles or so, and fully HALF of them were crappy movie tie-in games. That's nuts.

The Wii is slightly better off, in that there are at least 3 or 4 really fun games. But in my opinion, it's not worth buying yet either. But the good Wii games are fun, and they are nice and "console-y". Which brings me to the 360-

Well, it has the most games, of course. But am I the only one that finds the 360s selection of games really dull? It seems like there are a lot of FPS and sports games, and not a heck of a lot else. I expect this will be the case with the PS3, also. It's almost like they are trying too hard to cater to the "hardcore" crowd. Lots of "heavy" games, not too much stuff that's simple to pick-up-and-play. Well, I guess the Live! Arcade games are. But all of those games could be done on the Wii, easily. Never mind the emulated games, which I refuse to pay for because I've been playing them for free for almost a decade now via PC emulators.

Re:It won't help (1)

toolo (142169) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795597)

Try looking at Oblivion: Elder Scrolls. It's not an Xbox only game but definitely one of the best I've played. I've recently downloaded the expansion pack and have been enjoying this game for months (1 or 2 hours of play per day)

It's an RPG that has won a few awards in 2006.

You are right however ... I do try to pace myself as much as possible when I purchase a game, a really good one comes out every few months... but this is nothing new in the gaming industry IMHO.

Re:It won't help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795969)

Gears of War is a different kind of shooter. I would seperate it from the crowd based on the crazy cover/action system which effectively amounts to combos with guns.

Then Dead Rising is more an adventure/RPG, Crackdown isn't as much a shooter as it is a superhero sandbox game. Viva Pinata is awesome at what it is, Animal Crossing after freebasing pixi stix.

DiRT takes the next step in driving simulation.

Overlord for a next gen comically evil take on Lemmings

Overall, it's probably pretty gun heavy, but god damn there is proving to be an impressive array of variety in shooters between Gears, Darkness, Timeshifters, Stranglehold, Halo 3, BioShock and Too Human. I'm not even anywhere near the shooter fan I was, nor anywhere as good, but Gears is ridiculously fun with/against people. And those games all have something to offer. For me Stranglehold, Halo 3, BioShock and Too Human might all be difficult to pass up. Halo 3 is probably the one I'm looking foreward to the least. (big time John Woo fan)

Most games do have a pretty significant learning curve, Gears vs people is merciless. But of the ones I have Crackdown and Pinata are very pickup and play. In Crackdown you start out a superhero, get more super quickly, and with the Keys to the City updat you can just throw on all the superpowers and go on a rampage. Doesn't mean there's no challenge, and there's nothing to finese. Crackdown is really a marvel of balance, subtlety, intuitiveness and action. Dead Rising demands a fair chunk of time to really show it's charm. But even with it's significant flaws, it's pretty special. Then there is the wide weird vareity of stuff that doesn't appeal to me at all Battle of Midway. But in their infinite wisdom, just in case I might like it, I can generally download the demo on xbox live, like Tenchu Z which I just set up to download today.

It's not for everyone, but holy shit, between all I have, all I want, and the media center extender functionality, in the 7 months I've had one, it's completely changed the way I entertain myself. The only improvement I can imagine is them producing a snap-in enclosure I could stick any laptop harddrive into, and the HDMI out on the elite would be nice too. But between the defaults and the USB port on the back, I could just get a 750 GB Freeagent Pro from Seagate if it was REALLY important and obviate the whole thing.

Re:It won't help (2, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796093)

But am I the only one that finds the 360s selection of games really dull? It seems like there are a lot of FPS and sports games, and not a heck of a lot else.

When someone says this, I can't help but ask, "What are you looking for?" Sure, there are a fair number of FPS and sports games on the 360, just like on nearly every platform (even the Wii). There are plenty of other games as well. A sibling poster mentioned Oblivion, which was excellent (while many people prefer it on the PC due to modability, it plays perfectly on the 360 without forcing me to upgrade my PC). If you're looking for role-playing games, you're not going to find Final Fantasy, but there are several upcoming games that you might really like, such as Blue Dragon [gamespot.com] and Eternal Sonata [gamespot.com] (both JRPG-style games), Mass Effect [gamespot.com] , Fable 2 [gamespot.com] , Fallout 3 [gamespot.com] , Two Worlds [gamespot.com] and more [gamespot.com] either out now or coming soon. If you want racing, Forza 2 [gamespot.com] out-does Gran Turismo and DiRT [gamespot.com] is great as the latest in the Colin McRae series. There are RTS games (C&C3 [gamespot.com] , BFME2 [gamespot.com] , the upcoming Halo Wars, etc), action/adventure games [gamespot.com] (I'm currently enjoying Overlord), rhythm games [gamespot.com] (GH2 is arguably better on 360 rather than PS2), and more. And that's before you really get into the XBLA games, where you can find puzzlers, board games, and card games alongside classic arcade games and original platformers and shooters.

Well, I guess the Live! Arcade games are. But all of those games could be done on the Wii, easily. Never mind the emulated games, which I refuse to pay for because I've been playing them for free for almost a decade now via PC emulators.

"Could be done" and "have been done" are two different things. Geometry Wars is coming to Wii (and DS), but I question whether or not it'll control as well without two analog sticks. I never thought that would happen, so maybe Catan, Carcassone, Boom Boom Rocket, Pac-Man CE, and others will eventually make their way over to the Wii with the new WiiWare program. I'm not holding my breath, and instead will enjoy the games available on XBLA right now.

As for emulating some of the games on XBLA, that's true. I'm not a big fan of many of the classic titles on XBLA, as I much prefer original titles or full-on remakes (the new Prince of Persia, or Pac-Man CE). I did enjoy Symphony of the Night on XBLA, as I never had a chance to play it on PS1. XBLA's strength going forward will be in original games or re-imagined classics, not the "old game with a splash of new sprites" we've seen so far. And with XNA picking up steam, the whole community will be able to get in on the act without having to go jump through the hoops necessary to build games for Wii or PS3 or even XBLA (WiiWare is not the same as XNA -- it's more akin to XBLA original games).

what are you waiting for? (1, Interesting)

voltheir (1087207) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795565)

the ps3 has been "worth it" to any videophile since its release simply because of its bluray capability. It now has DVD upscaling.

for the more pure gamers out there - the ps online system isn't bad - the downloadable content can be quite good

Re:what are you waiting for? (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795665)

The videophile market is rather small. Most people just don't care about video quality. Look at how slow HD adaption has been as a whole. People aren't rushing out to buy new HDTVs. Its mainly people replacing old tvs with HD because they think they'll have to, very few people getting rid of working sets for HD.

FOr the gaming market- its all about games. With its two competitors having bigger libraries, more AAA titles, and being cheaper (and in the Wiis case, far cheaper and with a new factor) there's just no reason to get a PS3. Call me when it drops below 300, and I'll consider it, if there's 4-5 games I really want. Chances are I'll end up Wii only this round.

Re:what are you waiting for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19796029)

Do you currently own a Wii? If not, good luck finding one. I searched for 3 months straight and only managed to find a USED one. Yes, someone returned one to Gamestop in order to buy a PS3 and I picked it up right there.

None of these systems have good games so I'm holding out. The price drop makes it more attractive for sure. We just need some games.

And all those people comparing PS3 to the 360 are forgetting one thing, the 360 has been out far longer than the PS3. Developers have gotten to the point where the games just aren't going to get that much better for the 360. Every console goes through that cycle -- the launch titles are all ugly and horrible but after a year or so, developers get better at making games for the system and the titles near the end of the cycle are much better. Case in point, compare FFX to FFXII. FFX came out a year after the PS2 launched (actually, it was the reason why I bought a PS2). While it was an awesome game, it simply doesn't compare to FFXII.

So the moral of the story is that, while games now on the 360 and the PS3 look similar, that will not be the case in a year. The price drop will definitely make the jump more reasonable (especially if you want a new linux box or a blue-ray player or any of that other fancy stuff it does), but if you're still waiting for games then nothing will make you pick up a PS3 right now.

Re:what are you waiting for? (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796225)

the ps3 has been "worth it" to any videophile since its release simply because of its bluray capability.

Just like the PS2 was "worth it" because of its DVD capability. Never mind that the PS2 was just about the world's worst DVD player. I know quite a few people who won't be testing those particular waters again any time soon.

Halo? (-1, Troll)

chill (34294) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795587)

But will it play Halo 3? If it plays Halo 3, then I'll get one.

Re:Halo? (-1, Troll)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795645)

Will your Xbox 360 play Halo 3 while it's out on its 3rd repair?

Yeah, I know it's trolling, but I find myself amusing.

Re:Halo? (1)

Fuzzlekits (909093) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796193)

Nope, but it will play Haze when it comes out.... and Killzone 2. Just because it doesn't have the acceptable, but seriously overhyped MS flaot title doesn't mean it's not a great system. It will have something comparable tho.

I only like groundbreaking online games (2, Interesting)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795603)

My opinion isn't indicative of your average gamer. I bought an Xbox just to see the Halo 2 phenomena. I learned that voice chat lets you know you're playing with 12 year olds who get mad whether they win or lose. I learned that Halo 2 had no depth besides a couple insta-kill moves. I had my fun with it though. I won't buy a next gen system until I find a game that breaks ground with online play because that's all I like.

Already have one and (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795615)

enjoying it not only for playing MotorStorm, NFS Carbon etc. but also for as a media center hooked up to my 42 inch Plasma TV. This after throwing out the Xbox 360 garbage can that used to crash and burn more times than my 10 month old falls off while walking.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795625)

I'm buying a PS3 the day the price cut comes effective. Three words: Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I played the demo at Gamestop yesterday and WOW.

Great News (2, Informative)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795673)

I already have a PS3 but I'll be picking one up for my brother for his birthday because of the price cut. You really can't argue with the value the PS3 provides. You get an awesome game machine, free online gaming forever, a fully capable Blu-Ray player, an upscaling DVD player, HDMI output, user-upgradable 60GB hard drive, and a Cell processor computer capable of running Linux all for just $500. Motorstorm, Resistance and Ninja Gaiden Sigma are three great exclusives already out. More awesome exclusives like Gran Turismo, Heavenly Sword, MGS and Hot Shots Golf are just around the corner. Looks like the PS3 is really rolling now.

Re:Great News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795801)

You really can't argue with the value the PS3 provides.

Actually, yes, I can.

You get an awesome game machine

Matter of opinion -- I'd say it's a merely ok game machine, and certainly not better than any of its cheaper competitors.

free online gaming forever

By "forever," you mean "until Sony decides to start charging or shut down its servers."

a fully capable Blu-Ray player

So what?

an upscaling DVD player

Already got one.

HDMI output

So what?

user-upgradable 60GB hard drive

So what?

and a Cell processor computer capable of running Linux all for just $500

Wow, that's awesome! Wait, I've got a spare Pentium that can run Linux in my closet, and it's effectively free. If your argument is that, "Well, the Cell is really fast!", yeah, I could build a more useful PC for less than that.

Motorstorm, Resistance and Ninja Gaiden Sigma are three great exclusives already out. More awesome exclusives like Gran Turismo, Heavenly Sword, MGS and Hot Shots Golf are just around the corner.

It's been half a year, and it has three great exclusives? Wheeee. NGS is the only one of those I'm interested in, anyway.

Looks like the PS3 is really rolling now.

If by "rolling," you mean "stumbling along slightly better than before."

Re:Great News (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796243)

You really can't argue with the value the PS3 provides.

Except for the fact that the 360 has most of that for a little more than half the price, and the Wii has all of the fun parts (and a whole lot more) for quite a bit less than half the price. I was a huge PS2 fan and swore I'd never buy a Microsoft console, but I'm a lot more likely to break down and get a 360 than a PS3.

This may be it! (4, Insightful)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795759)

I've been debating getting a Game Cube or PlayStation 2, now maybe I'll seriously look at the PS2. :-) Prices are soo much better at the trailing edge.

Doing business in 21-st century (5, Insightful)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795769)

"$499 PS3 rumored"

"$499 PS3 denied by Sony CEO"

"Sony rejects $499 PS3"

"Sony Spokesman says $499 a hoax"

"$499 PS3 confirmed"

Re:Doing business in 21-st century (1)

xinjiang77 (1106823) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795833)

Looks like Sony likes to deny price reductions when it gets headstrong about its market share. Now that its obvious the PS3 is suffering in the 7th generation console market, they have been thrust back into reality, so to speak.

Re:Doing business in 21-st century (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795847)

The media circus at its best. They generate much more publicity by 'leaking' rumours then denying them than they ever would just issuing press releases.

Re:Doing business in 21-st century (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19795871)

A part of it was probably that they didn't want to drop the price, then they saw how much of a shitstorm was buzzing around on the rumour, so they gave in, in the hopes that that buzz would equate to units actually being bought. A shame really, since it's pretty much a false hope. Until the console is 399 it's still not going to compete with the Xbox 360, and it probably will never compete with the Wii at the rate that little bugger is selling.

Re:Doing business in 21-st century (2, Informative)

PoderOmega (677170) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796327)

What's the 21st century have to do with it? There is a very simple answer that is always pointed out with price drop rumors. PEOPLE WILL NOT BUY THE GAME SYSTEM TODAY IF THEY THINK/KNOW IT WILL BE CHEAPER TOMORROW. Stores want you to buy things now -- they don't want you think about your purchase. Even if you can do a price adjustment at Target (or wherever), stores would always to prefer the money NOW and not later (see gift cards).

why do i want a ps3? (1)

jmatthew3 (100802) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795803)

I haven't played a console game in at least 5 years.

I think the WII looks cool, and maybe I'll get one when it is available in stores readily.

The 360 looks good as a media extender. I like my appletv, but lack of codec support really hampers it.

Re:why do i want a ps3? (1)

Bushido Hacks (788211) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795845)

The PS2 still good, and pleanty of games still being pumped out.

AU prices (5, Informative)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795813)

I doubt we'll see anything like this. A typical price, ie. on 'sale' at Big W here w/free game is $987. That's around $847 USD. This is also the European model where they ripped out the hardware backwards compatibility.

Or I could get this one imported for $582 AUD but have no warranty. Both options are bad, but the fact I could almost get TWO from America at the same price makes the warranty issue not look so bad after all.

Sony doesn't stand a chance against the Xbox or Wii(which is still regularly sold out) in Australia any time soon. Even with the best damn games on the planet $1000 is a ludicrous price, next to $350ish Wii or $500ish 360. I could in fact get both consoles and some games for the same price... Bluray doesn't even enter into consideration.

Lex Luthor to Kaz Hirari: WRONG! (3, Funny)

Bushido Hacks (788211) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795817)

Yes, I know, Kaz quit. Still, this YTMND [ytmnd.com] is still good. I still won't by it for that amount.

Wii out sold them both combined (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795819)

Wii sold more then all of them combined? note is said america, it'd be interesting to see how sony vs wii goes in japan where both companys have a huge brand following. the japs are insane for brand names.

Re:Wii out sold them both combined (1)

flukus (1094975) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795929)

http://www.vgchartz.com/ [vgchartz.com] Wii is currently outselling PS3 6:1

Re:Wii out sold them both combined (2)

elborrachogato (1081195) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796117)

i just hate how people say japs so casually... don't you realise it's racist?

Drop the hypervisor. (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795839)

Call it a linux computer in the fine print on the side of the box.
Then a generation of ppl will learn to make fun free 3D opengl games while looking at the word SONY.

Re:Drop the hypervisor. (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795887)

That's probably their only hope, if they want to sell a console at desktop PC prices and win back their cult following. Alas, it'll never happen, they need those game sales more than ever and will continue to cripple access to eliminate the homebrew 'competition'.

Re:Drop the hypervisor. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19796081)

I'm surprised that the hypervisor hasn't been hacked around yet. I'm also surprised that people just haven't implemented a graphics library on the SPUs. Seriously guys. I'm tired of people complaining about lack of RSX support. I'm convinced that you don't need it.

Crappy poll (4, Interesting)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795869)

"So, is this it? Will this price drop make you buy a PS3, or are you still holding off for the big games this fall?"

That's it? Where's the third option, "neither of the above". I want my third option, god damn it!!

Let's see, what does $499 PS3 change. XBOX360 is $399, Wii is $250.
For your extra money, you get poor list of games, $65 a pop, and Blu-Pending-Disaster support, at around $45 a pop.

I'm about as excited about all of this, as I would be if Epson released $50 cheaper printers. It's about the ink, people!

Incredible (5, Funny)

corby (56462) | more than 7 years ago | (#19795971)

This is absolutely fantastic news.

It will now cost me $100 less to not buy one.

Re:Incredible (5, Funny)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796223)

Yeah but the downside is that you won't be saving as much by not buying one.

Screw Sony-Fucking-Bony (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19796075)

I wouldn't take the piece of shit Gaystation 3 even if they gave it to me. Sony-Fucking-Bony doesn't even deserve to remain in business after their root-kit and exploding battery fiascos. The Japanese goverment should force them to close their fucktarded business permanently with everyone involved with Sony facing time in prison.

I already have one. (1)

the_greywolf (311406) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796251)

:(

Now I wish I'd waited a while.

On the bright side, Super Stardust HD is pretty fun. :P

sorry no thanks (1)

santakrooz (517854) | more than 7 years ago | (#19796349)

it's a year too late, similar capabilities as XB360, blu-pay lock-in, weak online play and community, sparce game selection, and unusually sparce exclusives... XB360 has too many exclusive titles that are actually good. Motorstorm rocks though. Price drop is a good thing, but seriously, this far behind needs to be cheaper than the XB at this point and needs some exclusives.
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