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Compound From Olive-Pomace Oil Inhibits HIV Spread

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the internal-tar-pits dept.

Science 266

Researchers in Madrid are claiming that they have discovered that a type of wax found in olive skin can help to slow the spread of HIV. "Their work shows that maslinic acid - a natural product extracted from dry olive-pomace oil in oil mills - inhibits serin-protease, an enzyme used by HIV to release itself from the infected cell into the extracellular environment and, consequently, to spread the infection into the whole body. These scientists from Granada determined that the use of olive-pomace oil can produce an 80% slowing down in AIDS spreading in the body."

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And it's a good fat too (4, Funny)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805869)

Rachel Ray finds another use for Eee-Vee-Ohh-Ohh.

- Greg

Re:And it's a good fat too (4, Funny)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805985)

Yum-o!

Re:And it's a good fat too (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806363)

What's also Yum-o is my cum which can also cure cancer, along with every other disease. Suck me off, you know you want too.

OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it means. (2, Informative)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806169)

She uses it to fry things, which is a big "WTF?" if you know anything about olive oil. The whole point of extra virgin olive oil is that it's a lighter more flavorful oil, and it's usually substantially more expensive. Use it in a salad dressing or as a condiment, drink it straight out of the bottle like the Greeks do, but don't fry in it, jesus! It doesn't even have a very high smoke point, compared to refined olive oil.

It's like frying something in sesame oil, or flaxseed oil, or any other oil that you can think of that is used primarily for how it tastes, rather than as an efficient conductor of heat.

Of course, in the U.S., EVOO is defined by acidity, so you're not buying real EVOO at the stores, just regular refined oil with a low acid level.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806317)

Huh? I (stir) fry with sesame seed oil all the time - BECAUSE of the taste.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806345)

Olive oil's low smoke point could be dangerous when frying. I know a guy who cleaned a cast iron pan with olive oil and then heated it to about 500 fahrenheit. Luckily he didn't burn down his kitchen, but he's still cleaning the smoke marks off the wall.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

mrbooze (49713) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806839)

500 degrees seems awfully high for many oils.

Olive oil can be perfectly safe for frying:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/May /23/il/FP705230314.html [honoluluadvertiser.com]

Pomace oil, particularly, is commonly used for frying in parts of the world.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

mdozturk (973065) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806353)

Of course, in the U.S., EVOO is defined by acidity, so you're not buying real EVOO at the stores, just regular refined oil with a low acid level.

I'm curious. What is your definition of extra virgin olive oil?

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (3, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806419)

Not just his, but outside the US, everyone's: the first run off from the first pressing of a batch of olives. It contains the purest oil and the least amount of olive solids. The olive solids create acidity, but that is by no means the proper measure of virgin or extra virgin status.

What did you think it meant?

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

mdozturk (973065) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806867)

I have a friend who works in the olive oil industry in Turkey. His definition of "extra virgin" was "low in acidity". Although his description of EVOO production is the same as yours (the first batch of oil extracted).

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (3, Interesting)

Synchis (191050) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806499)

As mentioned in a subsequent reply, Extra Virgin Olive Oil refers to the very first Oil taken from the first pressing of olives, and traditionally has nothing to do with the oil's acidity.

In the states (and I presume canada) oils go through processing to remove impurities, kill bacteria, etc... and so whats labelled on a store shelf as extra virgin olive oil, really isn't, in the traditional sense. This is also why most north american olive oils are shipped in clear plastic containers, instead of opaque glass bottles. Traditional EVOO is light sensitive, and should be stored in opaque glass or metal cans to preserve the best flavour.

But yes, frying in EVOO is ridiculous. I use Peanut oil to fry in, and to season my Cast Iron pans (the best non-stick pan you'll ever know). :)

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (2, Interesting)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806725)

Yep, everyone before me is right. The only thing I want to add is that there is actually a group that decides what oil actually fits in what categories: the International Olive Oil Council [internatio...iveoil.org] . All IOOC member nations (the US isn't one) have to abide by their standards in labeling olive oils. By their standards, there can be no refined oil in either EVOO or just plain VOO.

Just one more example of the FDA's obsession with pasteurization and processing. What a country...Can't get unpasteurized cheese because it might hurt you, but they don't have to label GM foods or hormone pumped cow products.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (2, Insightful)

norton_I (64015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806893)

Lots of people get sick or die from food poisoning. Nobody to my knowledge has died from GM foods, irradiated foods, or growth hormone. There are no scientific studies that show negative effects from the first two.

I find the occasionally excessive enthusiasm for pasteurization annoying, but it isn't like there is no reason for it.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (2, Interesting)

eiapoce (1049910) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806861)

By definition by Italian Legal Standards:

Olive Oil = Mixture of refined oils including olive oil - Treatment might include decolouring - deodoring - precipitating acids - adding colours
Extra Virgin Olive Oil = 100% olive oil whith only partial treatment - Infact only filtering is allowed

But I like more greek standars by which every olive oil is "extra virgin" like the italian PLUS they have to state the acidity on the bottle.

You might wonder why acidity is important. Here is a brief explaination: When a mature olive falls it starts decomposing. In the process the fats become acid. Thus olives with a low acidity are those well preserved and processed just at the right time. Oils with hight acidity are usually made from poor grade olives fallen on the ground and then collected with nets or veils to save on manpower.

That's all

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806399)

Sesame oil at least has a high smoke point. Does Rachel actually fry stuff in extra virgin olive oil? That's just plain stupid. The high heat of frying ruins the taste and creates nasty, harmful compounds. I mean, regular olive oil is a bad choice for frying, let alone EVOO.

And in case anyone doesn't know, EVOO traditionally means the first oil to run off from the first pressing. Virgin olive oil is the rest of the first pressing, and other olive oils come from the second and subsequent pressings. EVOO has a better taste, but only raw. If you want to fry, the best oil is peanut oil.

Okay, I just read her wiki page. Anthony Bourdain called her a bobblehead. That's all I need to know.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806921)

Does Rachel actually fry stuff in extra virgin olive oil? That's just plain stupid. The high heat of frying ruins the taste and creates nasty, harmful compounds.
I don't think the OP meant deep-fry, but rather saute. Personally, as I'm deathly allergic to peanuts, I do like to cook with cheap olive oil. But anyone who does that with extra virgin (even the fake stuff) is an idiot with way too much money.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

Shatrat (855151) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806949)

Sesame oil is actually even worse for deep frying than olive oil.
I think you must be thinking of peanut oil.

Re:OT: E.V.O.O doesn't mean what she thinks it mea (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806863)

Of course, in the U.S., EVOO is defined by acidity, so you're not buying real EVOO at the stores, just regular refined oil with a low acid level.

If someone in the U.S. is buying Hi-Vee brand olive oil, they deserve what they get.

There are plenty of stores that sell European olive oil in the U.S., where the label not only says "Extra-virgin" but also says "from the finest first-press olives only" or somesuch.

Please help me understand this. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19805875)


Compound From Olive-Pomace Oil Inhibits HIV Spread

I hope /. can help me understand something I've been wondering for years.

Why does AIDS get such a huge amount of funding? Other diseases kill far more people every year and most of them aren't caught by immoral behavior.

The pastor at my church says it's the gays promoting their choices as normal behind all this. Two Sundays ago he said (and I quote as I remember it well) "The homosexuals are indoctrinating your children and making them choose their lifestyle. They can't reproduce so they have no choice BUT to recruit. They are forcing the government to back their behavior with laws... Laws against God and Jesus."

Pretty good logic.

Re:Please help me understand this. (1, Insightful)

Samalie (1016193) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805923)

+1 Insightful? What is it, bring a troll to mod day today?

Don't feed the trolls (0, Offtopic)

mollog (841386) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806093)

Please, let's not feed the trolls. I don't believe that OP is truly serious. I think he's trying to start a flame war.

Re:Please help me understand this. (1)

Asshat_Nazi (946431) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805935)

nice troll

i wouldn't touch this one with a 10ft gay nigger cock.

Re:Please help me understand this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806707)

Hey, the feeling is mutual.

Re:Please help me understand this. (1, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806013)

The pastor of your church is a moron, and I can only assume, by extension, that you are a moron too. As to why AIDS gets lots of funding, well, perhaps it has something to do with an incredible crisis in Africa that I'm thinking neither you or your braindead religious leader care much about (or possibly even know of).

Sometimes I wish there was a cure of retarded religious flunkies. They're one of the true threats to health and harmony.

Re:Please help me understand this. (1)

Vandilizer (201798) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806127)

Sometimes I wish there was a cure of retarded religious flunkies. They're one of the true threats to health and harmony.
Unfortunately it would cost way to much, more then all the money spent on researching other diseases.

Although the amount required to fund the research in to this disease is not of an issue to the infected. They tend to spend it trying to buy their way in to some version of heaven.

Re:Please help me understand this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806015)

Tell your preacher he is wrong. Gays can reproduce pretty easily via artificial insemination.

Re:Please help me understand this. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806021)

So I suppose if I meet a girl, have a relationship, and have sex with her and get HIV/AIDS because 5 years earlier she had sex with another guy in another relationship, who gave her HIV/AIDS, is immoral behavior?

Unfortunately, in recent times the church has lost credibility with me when talking about immoral behavior. Catholicism specifically or Roman Catholicism. Taking money from the poor so the pope can wear gold leaf and live in a palace wasn't enough. Now they are fucking those poor peoples kids.

Dear sir, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806039)

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Dear sir, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806251)

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Sure! You can sign up right here [patrobertson.com] and get ready to humble yourself!

We're going to sing " God bless America" and God will bless us just because we're such nice people and we're nicer here than those guys over in the Middle East who are attacking us. Don't believe that for one minute! That we're OK before God. God says, "If you want my blessing, humble yourself."
Now bend over and let's get ready to HUMBLE!

Re:Please help me understand this. (5, Insightful)

evanbd (210358) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806055)

Yikes, there are so many problems with this arguments I don't know where to begin. But, whether you're trolling or not, it's a commonly stated one, so I'll answer it (at least in part).

Regardless of how you define "moral behavior," many cases of AIDS are spread through "moral behavior." People get it from their spouse, when neither of them knew the spouse had it. The spouse might have gotten it from a previous partner, or a blood transfusion problem (fortunately rather rare now). What about the child who contracts it from their mother?

Whether sex outside of marriage is moral or not is a matter of personal interpretation. Certainly much of society views it as normal. Many people have a single monogamous relationship at a time, but more than one through their lifetime. Is that so immoral that we should condemn them to die because of it?

There is no evidence of "recruitment" by homosexuals. Rather, there is a mounting body of evidence that people become homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual as a result of factors beyond their control -- both genetic and environmental. This, combined with ample of evidence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, would seem to imply that homosexuality is quite natural -- and that therefore the classification of it as immoral is a rather odd invention of mankind.

As to why AIDS gets so much funding -- it's a horrible disease, with a near-100% fatality rate. It infects a staggering number of people. It is currently busy depopulating much of sub-Saharan Africa (where, by the way, the primary mechanism of spreading is between married partners and from mother to child). Diseases that are epidemic in scale, have exceedingly high fatality rates, and which we don't know how to cure should scare anyone. Hopefully all this research will be helpful if another such disease appears.

Most of us are ignorant. (1)

iknownuttin (1099999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806235)

Regardless of how you define "moral behavior," many cases of AIDS are spread through "moral behavior."

You're correct. But I think the parent was referring to the truckers in Africa who solicit whores on their trips. Unfortunately, there is still sooo much misinformation on AIDS that quite a few folks have some misguided opinions about it. And to be honest, with all of the FUD out there, I'm not so sure I know anything more then the parent. SO, mod me down to as an ignoramus. And then again, it's un-PC to criticize Africans and their culture. I'll leave that to you to research and for me to take the karma hit - I'd much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much rather take a karma kit than have us Westerners live in ignorance - myself included!

Here is why (5, Insightful)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806095)

The HIV virus is a very interesting virus. Of all the common viruses, it is one of most deadly and the hardest to cure. It kills millions of people every year. Which other virus is doing that? Please tell me. This is why it is interesting for study. Most of other infectious diseases people are dying of can be cured with antibiotics, but people never get them.

When the next viral pandemic hits, we want to make sure we know all about how to quickly and effectively deal with it.

Cancer and heart disease do get more funding than AIDS (as they should). Although it's pretty sad that I have to mention this .. you should know that curing AIDS will save many heterosexual and monogamous women's lives in Africa (you and your preacher should be interested in that right?). These are innocent women who's husbands cheated on them with prostitutes. Also importantly, treating AIDS will enable children in Africa to grow up with mothers and/or fathers.

PS> Why don't you stop hating? The venom is eating away your rational thoughts.

Re:Here is why (-1, Offtopic)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806217)

The HIV virus is a very interesting virus. Of all the common viruses, it is one of most deadly and the hardest to cure. It kills millions of people every year.

You're forgetting the heart attack virus. Or was this a bacteria..?

Not to take away from the seriousness, but... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806285)

Saying "HIV virus" is like saying "ATM machine". :D

Re:Here is why (3, Informative)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806473)

Of all the common viruses, it is one of most deadly and the hardest to cure. It kills millions of people every year. Which other virus is doing that? Please tell me.
Not caused by a virus, but how about malaria? It not only kills millions of people a year but has severe economic impacts, because even if it doesn't kill you you can get it over and over again. It's hard to develop an economy when a huge chunk of the people are sick most of the time.

Malaria and AIDS in concert are great contributors to the overall sense of hopelessness and the inability to sustain a functioning society that plagues much of Africa. They are both exacerbated by poverty, and in turn exacerbate poverty, making it much more difficult for people to lift themselves up.

Finding cures for malaria and AIDS would probably do more for the overall global economy than anything else could.

Trolly trolly troll troll. (2, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806275)

It's because we like immoral behavior; if it only affected religious zealots, we'd add it to the water supply.

I just love how so many so-called Christians can be so happy to watch other people die. Whole buncha stone throwing fake christians in the world today.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate all religious people. Just the holier-than-thou hypocrites who talk about god while imposing their narrow-minded world view on everyone else.

Re:Trolly trolly troll troll. (1)

StarscreamZX (1125933) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806329)

Out of every reply to this article I don't think I've agreed with anything more. So many people today are so quick to knock down everyone else and not even recognize that they too are causing many problems in the world by being so un-accepting.

Re:Trolly trolly troll troll. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806801)

That's it. I've gone and done it now. I must have killed hundreds of thousands of people because I was so un-accepting. Why couldn't I just have said, ok, I accept you? Then the world would be a happy place.

Might as well outlaw intolerance. I can't stand those fuckers.

Re:Please help me understand this. (0, Flamebait)

WarwickRyan (780794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806331)

All arguments and bigotry aside, if your pastor was correct then AIDs wouldn't be the problem it is today.

Looking at this map of AIDs infection per African country in 2001, you can see that some countries are closing in on having 40% of their population infected.

ahref=http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/afri ca/03/aids_debate/img/africa_epidemic/africa_2001_ 2.gifrel=url2html-20970 [slashdot.org] http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/s hared/spl/hi/africa/03/aids_debate/img/africa_epid emic/africa_2001_2.gif>

Now, these figures are hard to estimate, but this site provides some figures on the number of people whom have experimented with same-sex partners http://www.avert.org/hsexu1.htm [avert.org] . Lets take 10% as a figure, for example - that's still a quarter of the number required to make your Pastor's comments anything but pure BS.

Just look at the stats: this disease is killing a huge number of people, the people who are among the poorest and least educated in the world. There are literally millions of kids who are born HIV infected. These kids right now have little chance of even reproducing. What life they do have is plagued by sickness.

As a Christian you should be the first to empathize and want to do something to help these people. You should be he first people cheering news articles such as this one. Unless of course the Trollish race got the philosophies of Hitler and JC muddled up..

Re:Please help me understand this. (5, Informative)

Ironix (165274) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806553)

I'm a homosexual and I've been HIV+ for 11 years now. Lucky for me, I'm one of the small percentage of people with whom the virus seems to have a difficult time spreading. As such, in those 11 years I have yet to take any medication.

Now with that out of the way, I must stress that as a homosexual I am completely and utterly uninterested in converting ANYONE to my lifestyle. Nor have I ever in my 13 years of being 'out' even tried to 'convert' anyone. I would think that you would find this true of most any homosexual that you'd care to talk to.

With that said, I have yet to collect a toaster oven.

hmm. (4, Funny)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805893)

..and works as a lubricant too? :-)

my, thats handy.

Re:hmm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19805969)

what's hand gotta do with this?

Re:hmm. (5, Funny)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805977)

My hand does not have HIV, so i fail to see the relevance.

Re:hmm. (3, Insightful)

Lockejaw (955650) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806403)

..and works as a lubricant too? :-)
If you use it that way, it may increase rate of HIV transmission -- remember, folks, condoms are soluble in oil.

Re: Oooo baby! Bring 'em on! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806615)

I, for one, welcome our olive-skinned, AIDS-free, hottie overlords!!!

I don't buy it (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19805909)

I went to Spain once. Hooked up with a Spanish hooker. BAMN! AIDS!

I am what I am (2)

reytron (1093289) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805929)

And Popeye thought that his strength always came from spinach. No wonder Bluto was always kidnapping her.

HIV is not AIDs (3, Interesting)

MSTCrow5429 (642744) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805967)

I'm skeptical. The source article, by stating "these scientists from Granada determined that the use of olive-pomace oil can produce an 80% slowing down in AIDS spreading in the body," conflates HIV with AIDs. You can slow down the spread a virus, such as the human immunodeficiency virus, in the body. You cannot slow down the spread of a syndrome, theorized not as caused directly by HIV, but by opportunistic infections as a result of HIV infection, in the body; only said opportunistic infections.

Good on bread (1)

kc2keo (694222) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806009)

Enhances the taste of bread. mmm

Re:HIV is not AIDs (3, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806123)

Yeah, the opportunistic infections have an opportunity because of HIVs effect on the human immune system. Reduce the spread of HIV, reduce the effect on the immune system, reduce the opportunities of opportunistic infections. Pretty simple if you ask me.

I don't think that a layman's article conflating HIV with AIDS -- not an unfair layman's conflation, considering that there is at least a causal relationship between them even if they are not the same thing -- should inspire such skepticism.

Re:HIV is not AIDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806381)

I think you're conflating the fact that the conflation he was pointing out (i.e., that the article conflates HIV with AIDS) is a serious conflation and is a little more significant than a layman's conflation which would not conflate the specifics to non-laymen who would understand and appreciate such a conflation.

Re:HIV is not AIDs (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806415)

I think you're conflating the word conflation with some other word, since you never pointed out what I'm conflating "the fact that the conflation he was pointing out (i.e., that the article conflates HIV with AIDS) is a serious conflation and is a little more significant than a layman's conflation which would not conflate the specifics to non-laymen who would understand and appreciate such a conflation" with.

Re:HIV is not AIDs (1)

Elemenope (905108) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806799)

Ah! Recursion burns!

Re:HIV is not AIDs (1)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806437)

Didn't I read about this in that "All Natural Cures THEY Don't Want You To Know About" book? A quick google search reveals a few other pop-sci sites reporting the same stuff, but no link to a paper. There does seem to be a Andrés García-Granados at the Universidad de Granada, according to their website, but this sounds too much like a miracle herbal cure.

Re:HIV is not AIDs (1)

fonik (776566) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806515)

Ah nevermind, there is a story about it directly on the university's website.

Linky [prensa.ugr.es]
It even has the researcher's email and telephone. I love academia.

Re:HIV is not AIDs (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806771)

There doesn't seem to be a paper yet, but the guy has a serious publication record and doesn't seem prone to publicity stunts. Probably it's the usual case of a university PR office hearing "HIV" and going nuts with the press release.

oral or topical? (1)

rebmemeR (1056120) | more than 7 years ago | (#19805999)

Is the substance taken orally or applied topically?

Re:oral or topical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806031)

It's topically applied directly to the blood.

Re:oral or topical? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806375)

It's topically applied directly to the blood.
Olive-On, apply directly to the blood.
Olive-On, apply directly to the blood.
Olive-On, apply directly to the blood.

Re:oral or topical? (1)

enjerth (892959) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806849)

Best one I've seen all day.

Re:oral or topical? (2, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806151)

The only experiments described are in cell cultures. (I.e. the stuff is dumped directly on cells in in a dish.) The "can produce an 80% slowing down in AIDS spreading in the body" seems to be just wishful thinking at the moment.

Re:oral or topical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806631)

Mac users and other homosexuals would prefer it anally, as it also would double as a lube.

Correlation != Causation (1)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806017)

I suspect it's more likely that individuals with a slower-than-typical HIV growth after infection from the virus are the same individuals that really, really like olive-pomace oil.

Occams razor and all that.

Re:Correlation != Causation (1)

NumaNuma (905254) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806319)

Knowledge of something like that would actually be more useful, as it would provide a way to view the genetic basis of slowed virus spreading, allowing scientists to link it to a more easily observable trait. Since they can't go around infecting people directly, finding observable traits that may be linked to unobservable ones tends to allow geneticists and other biologists to isolate chromosomal locations of defects (or, in this case, advantages).

Re:Correlation != Causation (2, Funny)

Lockejaw (955650) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806427)

How can they tell which petri dishes of cells like olive-pomace oil? Should they make them fill out a survey?

Weekly World News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806059)

Ah, misleading headlines! This one makes it sound less like a clinical study and more like one of those "miracle cure" articles you see in tabloids, promoting some ordinary food like garlic or olive oil as anything from a diet aid (lose weight eating nothing but garlic!) to a cure for cancer.

Still wont help me get lucky :( (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806067)

I (obviously) have no use for this.

skeptical at best. (1, Interesting)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806079)



I'm always skeptical of these third world countries scientific claims of some miracle cure usinging some natrual substance. i recently went to a seminar given by a recruiter for one of the larger universities in the Caribbean. I was flabergasted to hear them making claims of there findings as far as avocado curing aids and other such BS. The fact is though ambitious i'm sure they lack the level of technical abilities and testing proceedure to make a truly scientific claim. Flame me if you want but this is something that I see happen over and over again. In my eyes this is no different than than me testing HIV cultures in show polish containers using coconut oil in unsanitary surroundings.

Re:skeptical at best. (2, Insightful)

reytron (1093289) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806125)

are you also skeptical of willow bark being used to treat headaches, aloe plants being used to soothe sunburns, and mold being used to treat infections? drugs come from plants.

Re:skeptical at best. (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806191)

I'm always skeptical of these third world countries scientific claims of some miracle cure usinging some natrual substance.

Wait... Spain is a third-world country?

Re:skeptical at best. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806199)

Perhaps you're confusing Granada, Spain [wikipedia.org] with Grenada [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:skeptical at best. (5, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806203)

I'm always skeptical of people who classify Spain as "third world".

Re:skeptical at best. (3, Funny)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806679)

Well, it's not one of the States, it must be the 'third world'.

Re:skeptical at best. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806205)

Damn, now Spain got demoted to third world country. Guess that makes Nigeria 4th or 5th world. Where the hell can one find a civilized place nowadays, anyway?

Re:skeptical at best. (2, Insightful)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806793)

I'm always skeptical of these third world countries scientific claims of some miracle cure usinging some natrual substance (...) I'm sure they lack the level of technical abilities and testing proceedure to make a truly scientific claim.

But this is illogical. Scientific doesn't mean accurately measured, it's a matter of method. A Fermi problem's solution is not unscientific.

Back to the topic, verifying the effectiveness of a cure for AIDS doesn't necessarily involve a pretty color image of a neutralized HIV. Watch for average life expectancy, reaction to infections. So the technical ability needed is a six month course in statistics, and the testing procedure involves being able to count days of survival for a decent sized sample.

If you want to be logical then be skeptical whenever a therapy involving artificial stuff is compared favorably against a natural cure because:
  • the interests in pushing something proprietary and patented are usually much higher.
  • nature synthesizes complex stuff which has been around for longer while the interactions of artificial substances with man and environment are analyzed for too little time, for sheer impracticality and again commercial interests.
  • there are documented precedents of interests pushing the under-performing candidate. Cotton against hemp. Private cars against public transport (see [culturechange.org] ). Windows against a real OS...

Re:skeptical at best. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806873)

Spain a "third world country"? Oh my god...

And you are from...?

its NOT in the Extra Virgin Olive Oil (4, Informative)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806087)

Olive pomace is the left-over skins and fruit pulp for the first pressings of the olives. Secondary treatment of the pomace with steam and solvents extracts the residual oil and also extracts this seemingly beneficial oil/wax.

Ironically, the cheaper grades of olive oil probably have more of this oil.

Don't Forget The Easy Way! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806103)

I have been HIV positive for 3 years, although I don't have full-blown AIDS yet. Many mazing developments and new treatments have been found in the past few years, and I have faith that some day, we will be able to find a cure. But for now, there is a much more effective method for preventing HIV infection. You can nearly eliminate the risk by abstaining from sex outside of a trusting marriage between two people who have practiced celibacy. If that's not an option for you, at least avoid high-risk sex and make use of STD testing (keep in mind that someone may be HIV+ for several months before tests start showing it.) Avoiding intravenous drug use and low-quality tattoo or piercing parlors can further reduce the chances of catching this horrid disease.

Re:Don't Forget The Easy Way! (-1, Offtopic)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806411)

Of course, you omitted to mention that condom use vastly reduces the risks, regardless of what those with a particular religious agenda claim.

Correlation (3, Interesting)

Brian Cohen (1027542) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806113)

I noticed that eastern Mediterranean countries that produce a lot of olives [wikipedia.org] have a lower incidence of adult HIV [wikipedia.org] . Not to imply that there is causation, and I know that other factors are at work, but I still found it interesting.

Re:Correlation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806267)

The correlation is that those countries are very religious-- everyone there is either Eastern Catholic, Orthodox Christian, or Muslim.

Re:Correlation (1, Informative)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806757)

As a Spaniard, I'd like to point out that, even thought a majority of the Spanish population would declare themselves as Catholics:

  - A couple of years ago we had one of the lowest birth rates in the world (I'm not implying Catholics must have lots of children, but, come on, people fuck no matter what).
  - Prostitution is one of the main industries (if not the biggest) here.
  - The average age for getting married is 31 in men, and 29 in women, whilest losing one's virginity happens at 17 years old (also on average); yes, there's a lot of not-too-Catholic out-of-marriage sex.

So I wouldn't be so careless as to attribute a lower number of HIV infections to abstinence. IMHO, education (there's a lot of emphasis on wearing condoms here) is one of the keys (I have no clue about olive oil).

Pickles. (2, Interesting)

C10H14N2 (640033) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806563)

Scandinavia has the lowest rate in the world, Iceland beating everyone save North Dakota, which is populated nearly exclusively by Viking stock. Across Europe, there is a very strong correlation between latitude and HIV infection rates that roughly follows the increasing tendency toward pickling of both sustenance and self.

If anything, it ain't the oil, it's the vinegar.

best cure for aids (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806143)

The best cure for aids is Cyanide. Even stops the complaining from the person who has it!

Italians? (2, Informative)

Zarjazz (36278) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806221)

So how come the home of Olive oil, Italy, has one of the highest infection rates in Europe? http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/hiv-aids/hiv-aid s-infection-rate-by-country-europe-and-the-new-ind ependent-states/ [overpopulation.com]

Re:Italians? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806431)

The home of olive oil is Greece, or possibly Israel.

Re:Italians? (1)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806831)

I'm Spanish! I wins! I wins!! [unctad.org]

Re:Italians? (0)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806829)

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that maybe, just maybe, that has something to do with the Vatican banning the use of condoms. What with Italy being a predominantly Catholic country with a reputation for promiscuity, and all.

Although they would have you believe that condoms don't stop aids [guardian.co.uk] anyway.

So for complete protection... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806231)

from HIV, make sure you're circumcised and use olive-oil for lubricant!

Re:So for complete protection... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806959)

Perhaps you haven't heard the doubts of circumcision (which should never be done to non-adults) as a means of preventing AIDS. The short version is that those studies were flawed. Also, if you do get AIDS, you become much more likely to transmit it to your partner. Also, if circumcision prevented AIDS, why does the US, by far and away the most circumcised country in the western world, have more AIDS than anybody else?

Great (1)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806257)

But it probably causes cancer.

Re:Great (1)

goarilla (908067) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806491)

listen to your sig god damn it :D
olives are healthy vegetables and well one of the few i actually like

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806633)

aren't the technically fruits though?

extra virgin? (4, Funny)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806465)

What's an extra virgin? the /. regulars should know, right? hey-o!

Re:extra virgin? (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806569)

Ironically, most extra virgins don't have to worry about slowing down the spread of HIV in their bodies.

Cool, but you know *somebody* will read this as... (2, Insightful)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806603)

"If I eat olive oil, I won't get AIDS."

Re:Cool, but you know *somebody* will read this as (1)

alx5000 (896642) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806815)

Well, if you eat olive oil instead of having sex or using somebody else's needles, yes, there's a pretty high chance you won't...

nice tagging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19806651)

I've got to hand it to Slashdot. The "tagging beta" seems to be getting more and more "beta" all the time.

test tube works better than clinical (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806837)

There were lots of promising anti-HIV and anti-virals that were promising in the petri dish, but failed in clinical application. Hope this one is a clinical success.

AIDS Cocktail (2, Funny)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 7 years ago | (#19806923)

Does this mean the AIDS Cocktail will now come with an olive in it?
Shaken, not stirred?

*Ducks*
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