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Microsoft's E3 Conference Displays Company Confidence

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the they-have-the-games-and-they-want-you-to-know-it dept.

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The tone from Microsoft tonight was one of celebration and anticipation, as they ran down their successes since the 360 launched and hyped their lineup between now and the end of the year. Peter Moore framed the discussing by recalling the blockbuster holiday season of 2004, which was driven by the Grand Theft Auto, Madden, and Halo franchises. Moore stated that 'the only place to play all three games' this year is the 360. In addition to showing off other heavyweight titles like Mass Effect (which is due in November), the company had a few new announcements: They'll be releasing a version of the movie trivia game Scene-It with a quartet of special controllers, for a standard game price. They've partnered with Walt Disney and its associated companies to bring their family of movies to the Xbox Live service, with many titles already available tonight. CliffyB officially revealed Gears of War for the PC; it'll have additional content as well as co-op gaming via Live for Windows. Resident Evil 5 will be coming to the system (the only game from their conference not releasing this year). The event was capped by a live-action short piece meant to show what a Halo movie might look like, the announcement of a Halo 3 special edition 360 sku set to launch alongside the game, and a new trailer showing a bunch of Halo 3 in-game footage. For further details on the event, click below for other sites' liveblog coverage.

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Call of Duty (2, Interesting)

QMalcolm (1094433) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822113)

Really surprised at how great COD4 looked, especially compared to the underwhelming Halo 3 footage. Everyone kind of assumed that Halo 3, being the biggest game for the 360, would end up being a graphical showcase, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be.

Re:Call of Duty (3, Interesting)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822163)

Bungie has the halo 3 trailer up in HD on its website. After a closer look on my own screen (as opposed to low rez streaming or the horrible g4 coverage) I thought it looked much much better than the multiplayer beta.

Overall, I think it was an odd presentation. They only showed stuff coming out this year, and while there are a lot of quality titles coming in the next few months, it might come back to bite them. If Sony's presentation tomorrow contains all kinds of gorgeous footage from games that are still more than a year away, people will come away far more impressed. This is a lesson they should have learned from 2 years ago during the unveiling of the consoles. Sony showed CG footage that they hoped would represent in-game graphics, and even though it was BS, people came away wowed.

Re:Call of Duty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822535)

Isn't that why Sony is taking it in the ass now? Microsoft presented me with quite the dilemma, more games that I want than I'm going to buy (or have time to play). Call of Duty 4 was crap my pants pretty, and then with the upgrade your playstyle system, damn. Just damn. Assassins Creed looked smart and spectacular. The Jeet-Kun-Do style counter punch combat system looked fluid and well like a successful version of many overly ambitious failures. These were games I was hoping to avoid as Too Human, Mass Effect, and honestly a lot of others were already competing for my limited attentions. If I had 20 million socked away so I could live off the interest I might not have enough free time to play all the attractive offerings. And it was just about all, if not all, gameplay footage.

The message is clear. Microsoft wants my money. Desperately. Maybe I'll get the AIDS, maybe it's the beer talking but this time around Microsoft is looking awful purty. I still find myself wanting to play a little more Gears than I do.

Re:Call of Duty (1, Flamebait)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823729)

They don't want your money. They want you running microsoft software on every device in every room in your house, forever. xbox is and always will be about lock-in. Don't be mistaken. It's the same reason that bungie.net uses proprietary microsoft video plugin bullshit instead of something even passingly cross-platform.

It just might work, too, if Sony keeps fucking up. Sad.

Re:Call of Duty (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824573)

It's the same reason that bungie.net uses proprietary microsoft video plugin bullshit instead of something even passingly cross-platform.
I can only assume you're talking about the trailer being in wmv format. Its available in quicktime here: http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/h3_e3_2007/ [bungie.org] . Bungie.net even links you to it.

Re:Call of Duty (2, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823217)

One has to remember that COD2 & 3 looked impressive too but all the noise and hubris disguised a stupid AI, dumb automatons as allies, linear levels, infinite spawn points and lots and lots of scripting. Give me a shooter with a decent AI any day.

Chief (1)

Philotic (957984) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822119)

I would be confident if I had The Chief on my side.

Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (5, Insightful)

TommyBear (317561) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822127)

I watched it live, and I must say it was full of marketing drivel. Not one moment did I feel wonder at what was displayed, only felt like I was being sold something but a really slimy salesman. Which is fair enough right? No not really. I'm not interested in how they are going, or how many millions of dollars they will make, I just want innovation in games. All we got in this display was I bunch of dick waving.

I'm sick of all this "our console is better than the other's" crap, I want to see the best games on the right console at the right time. For all three competitors. Their products should speak for themselves.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (3, Insightful)

QMalcolm (1094433) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822149)

Marketing drivel? It is a press conference, they are trying to sell their product. And Microsoft has never been about the big reveal at E3, they tend to emphasize big games coming, and basically reiterating their focus for the year. If you want big surprises, you'll probably going to be more interested in the Nintendo and Sony conferences tomorrow.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

going_the_2Rpi_way (818355) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822199)

I think they were certainly trying to sell to consumers, but also to shareholders and especially distributors/vendors.

Who else would care that the biggest 'holiday' (and here I thought the war on Xmas was dead) ever was generated by the three franchises for which Xbox360 has exclusive rights.

The message? If you're going to carry/hype/stock any console and games, make sure it's this one.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

iDonkey (1126507) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822209)

Peter Moore framed the discussing by recalling the blockbuster holiday season of 2004, which was driven by the Grand Theft Auto, Madden, and Halo franchises. Moore stated that 'the only place to play all three games' this year is the 360.
Like there is going to be a year in which you can play the Halo franchise on the Wii or the PS3

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822235)

Off course not, but all three might come out on PC some time in the future, just like GTA SA, Halo 2 and all of the Madden games, which was probably the direction of the "this year" comment.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822245)

He just wanted to remind people that the PS3 wasn't getting an exclusive period on Madden or GTA. Both of which (I think) it had before.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822255)

Madden 06 and 07 are on the 360 and all other consoles, afair, Sony never had Madden exclusives. Besides, GTA VC and SA were for PC as well, just not at the same time as it was released on PS 2.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822613)

Madden has also always been on Nintendo consoles, EA is pretty agnostic about its sports games. The wii version even created a new control mechanism (not perfect, but some of them work well).

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824041)

Vice City and San Andreas were exclusive, for a period, for the PlayStation.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822301)

I'm not interested in how they are going, or how many millions of dollars they will make...

Good. 'Cause making money, they aint.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822381)

I'm sick of all this "our console is better than the other's" crap, I want to see the best games on the right console at the right time. For all three competitors. Their products should speak for themselves.

They're learning from Sony. I'm surprised they didn't say XBOX360 can make baby dolls cry blood yet. PS3 can.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

SpeedyRich (754676) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824103)

Pathetic.

I'm off to play some more MotorStorm with a mate who lives 5,000 miles away.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (2, Insightful)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822493)

Frankly, I think that the 360 is a pretty damn solid platform, but you're absolutely right. There was a lot of awkward clapping by the presenters on the stage, and not a lot of enthusiasm in the crowd.

That said, what did you expect from a press conference? "Our competitors are also good"? Microsoft wanted to point out their advantages (Halo and other exclusive titles, Live Arcade, movie downloads).

Moreover, E3 is as much about publishers as it is about end users. Microsoft is trying to steal PS3 exclusives, and they do that by pointing to their install base.

Typical boring Microsoft presentation. Every one of their presentations is boring, every one is awkward, and every one is fulled with marketing. Apple is so much better at this that it's not even funny. I'm sure Nintendo's presentation will be way better, too, and there's a good chance that Sony's will be as well.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (2, Insightful)

VertigoAce (257771) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822647)

Wasn't this E3 about a much more limited audience? In other words, if the crowds are primarily press, are you really surprised that they didn't cheer like crazy? If I was there covering it for my website/magazine/whatever, I would be taking notes as fast as I could, not clapping to everything that was said. That said, I got the distinct impression the audience was more lively than you could here on the streaming video feed.

On another note; I found it interesting that Microsoft seems to be going after Nintendo with this E3. SceneIt and the Disney deal (as well as the new Viva Pinata games) seem directly targeted at Nintendo. It'll be interesting to see whether they can get enough publicity on these to make a difference.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (1)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823969)

I find the title of this article, for that reason, to be pretty silly. OF COURSE Microsoft is going to "display confidence" in a public venue. When has there ever been a headline like "Sony says Holiday season will be 'meh.'" Or "Nintendo says 'no new games for a while, so, just relax and enjoy what you've got.'"

I know we'll never hear it from any company, ever, unless they're already announcing their bankruptcy, but I'd like some realistic reports on game systems from their makers.

And if they can't give me that, I'd much prefer to just hear about what amazing game I will lose immeasurable hours of life to next.

Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance (3, Interesting)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824691)

I just want innovation in games.

What the fuck is this "I want innovation in games" whining that's been going on for years and years now? It's getting very annoying. Why does everyone want innovation for innovation's sake? Do you even know what you want, or are you just repeating the popular catchphrase of the moment? Even if developers do release innovative or different games, people still keep repeating "moar inovation plz" like some kind of fucking parrots. A game doesn't need to be innovative in order to be fun.

This is pretty much like the "more gameplay, less graphics" bullshit that people keep spouting. They must be completely out of the gaming loop since they keep demanding something that's been around for decades.

Note to moderators: no, this isn't a "troll" or a "flamebait." If you don't know what trolling and flamebaiting are, leave moderating to people who actually know what the fuck they're doing.

profit (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822227)

They are excited because by the end of the year they finally hope to be making profit (which they never did with the original xbox). Also, they seem to think they have beaten the PS3. Amazing what you can do with $4billion to burn. The most amazing thing is that Sony still probably would have beaten them if they didn't get caught up in their own hubris and focus on things like blu-ray.

Re:profit (2, Interesting)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822361)

Amazing what you can do with $4billion to burn. The most amazing thing is that Sony still probably would have beaten them if they didn't get caught up in their own hubris and focus on things like blu-ray.

You know: if, if, if...

If Sony didn't focus on things like blu-ray, hd-dvd would've taken edge, and they'd lose a far more lucrative revenue source than gaming.

If Microsoft didn't burn so much money on sales at loss, maybe they'd still gain edge since XBOX260 was the first 3G console on the market, and with solid online service.

Last but not least, if Nintendo didn't screw Son with the CD players, PlayStation wouldn't exist in the first place.

But if or not if, the situation is like it is, and I pretty much believe there won't be PS4 ever. Sony plans to keep PS3 for something like 10-15 years, and with poor growth, exclusives and features like this, XBOX480 (or whatever) and WiiPeeDoo 2 will basically finish them completely.

Microsoft have confidence in the sector for a reason.

Re:profit (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822545)

"Last but not least, if Nintendo didn't screw Son with the CD players, PlayStation wouldn't exist in the first place."

Niether would Nintendo. That whole thing broke down because Sony wanted their name plastered all over it instead of Nintendo's.

Re:profit (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822635)


Niether would Nintendo. That whole thing broke down because Sony wanted their name plastered all over it instead of Nintendo's.


I didn't know that side of the story, got links?

Re:profit (1)

Simon Garlick (104721) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822587)

by the end of the year they finally hope to be making profit

Yeah, right :)

Do you think they're going to make OVER SIX BILLION DOLLARS by the end of the year? Because that's what it would take.

Re:profit (1)

W2k (540424) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822667)

I assume they meant yearly revenue. Previous losses come out of MS's coffers. And those are quite deep.

Re:profit (1, Troll)

Simon Garlick (104721) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823279)

So far Microsoft has invested $24B+ in Xbox in order to make a cumulative $5B+ LOSS -- and that's not counting the $1-1.5B that analysts estimate the warranty extension will cost.

Xbox is a total and utter TRAINWRECK BLACK-HOLE DISASTER by any sane reckoning. Like, "shareholder lawsuit, SEC investigation" disaster.

Re:profit (1)

W2k (540424) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823579)

Microsoft's total revenue for 2006 exceeds $44 billion. A $5B loss on the Xbox division may seem like a lot, until you realize that it's part of a greater strategy. In the end, $5B means nothing to Microsoft, as long as they feel they've gotten somewhere in the console market. And that they have.

Re:profit (1)

Admiral Ag (829695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823709)

I own a 360, but if I was buying today I would buy a PS3. The 360 is useless as a media centre since the fans make it sound like someone is revving a jet next door. Having said that, it is a reasonable gaming machine, if that's all you want it for. The PS2 is still selling more than the 360. BTW - Gidday Simon... still playing the guitar?

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19824301)

"Xbox is a total and utter TRAINWRECK BLACK-HOLE DISASTER by any sane reckoning. Like, "shareholder lawsuit, SEC investigation" disaster."

No. No x10, primarily because you're completely wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader [wikipedia.org]

Stay out of business, you've shown with your posts in this thread you'd be terrible.

And stop saying stupid shit out of ignorance, you sound like a fucking retard.

Re: Moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19823899)

"Also, they seem to think they have beaten the PS3. Amazing what you can do with $4billion to burn. The most amazing thing is that Sony still probably would have beaten them if they didn't get caught up in their own hubris and focus on things like blu-ray."

What kind of argument is that? What is soooo "Amazing" about poor business decisions? Hindsight is 20/20, don't act like it is not their fault for including the BS that is hurting the PS3.

Eat your blu-ray and like it Billy!

Confidence? (0, Flamebait)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822237)

Speaking of MS Company Confidence...

I just got back from the store where I had to buy a new XBOX 360, because my 18 month old XBOX 360 (with less than 200 hours of play on it) stopped recognizing 34 out of 40 of my games. Instead, it would pop up and say "Please put this disc in an XBOX 360".

I guess their confidence comes from the fact that people would rather spend the money for another machine than let a few thousand dollars worth of *games* go to waste.

Company confidence, indeed.

Confidence? Not the buyers... (2, Insightful)

Panzergheist (609926) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822341)

I still wonder how many of those 10-million-plus 360s are from "repeat" buyers.

Re:Confidence? (1)

scapermoya (769847) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822571)

new warranty anybody?

also, 40 games? 40 * ~$60 = $2,400

nobody feels sorry for you man, you have too much cash to spend. there aren't even that many decent games for the platform.

Re:Confidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822803)

What the GP failed to mention is that 34 out of those 40 games are also Xbox games that are known not to run under emulation.

Re:Confidence? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824313)

So because he's got a lot of games, let him burn? How do you know all games were purchased retail? I have to say I might buy one or two full-price new releases per year and the rest hunted off ebay or the used game shops.

$2400 invested in a system already two and a half years in isn't even that bad, anyway, if you can afford it. Don't be jealous of others' prosperity.

Re:Confidence? (1)

mrshowtime (562809) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823183)

You do realize that your xbox is still under warranty for at least another year? Microsoft extended the warranty of all 360s for three years.

Re:Confidence? (1)

tb()ne (625102) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824129)

You do realize that your xbox is still under warranty for at least another year? Microsoft extended the warranty of all 360s for three years.

The 3-year warranty only covers the RRoD problem. Anything else falls under the previous warranty.

Re:Confidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19823521)

MS's consumers are like the stereotype of battered wives: "he loves me really",
"he didn't mean to do it", "it will be better next time".

Re:Confidence? (1)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823629)

18 months old, huh? You know about the extended warranty, right?
It's good for another 18.

Live? (4, Funny)

ludomancer (921940) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822253)

"...it'll have additional content as well as co-op gaming via Live for Windows."

Oh goodie, as opposed to co-op gaming via the mother-fucking-internet.

Re:Live? (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822595)

Now it is the Internet's time for proprietary Microsoft fun!

Re:Live? (2, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823423)

Not just via the internet, via internet you already pay for, but they want you to pay again for!

Re:Live? (1)

jagdish (981925) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824921)

Dude you cant play games on the Internet. The Internet is for porn, and not for games.

The new E3 (2, Informative)

dunezone (899268) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822261)

I think Microsoft did an excellent job of showcasing what the new e3 is about. They presented themselves like they would to shareholders in a company. They talked about the current market and how they are standing up to the competition. (And when they showed the numbers they showed Nintendo right behind them and didnt hide it) They showed off their exclusive titles, new services to xbox live, and of course they showed us game play of new titles.

This is the new E3, no more crowded booths, no more distractions with booth babes, crazy music, and all that jazz. This is about showing off what you got against the competition.

/. is funny sometimes (1)

sokoban (142301) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822269)

So you get one story about MS partners bailing over delayed releases in the SW division.

Then the next story is about the confidence in the gaming division.

That's /. for ya. A Windows hatefest followed by a Microsoft Gaming lovefest.

Re:/. is funny sometimes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822297)

We like Halo, we hate their OS. what can we say? Microsoft is better at making Halo than it is Windows [not that I'm bashing windows, it is just they are fairly decent at making Halo]

Re:/. is funny sometimes (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822307)

Right, so, since I don't like Windows and use Linux and Mac I shouldn't play GTA IV on a 360? What kind of logic is that?

Re:/. is funny sometimes (1)

Panzergheist (609926) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822359)

The logic depends on why you don't like Windows.

Re:/. is funny sometimes (2, Interesting)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822405)

I kind of see your point, but the OP seemed to imply that hating Windows and liking the Microsoft gaming divison was sort of mutually exclusive which I don't agree with at all. If you dislike Microsoft due to illegal monopoly practices, that's one thing, but what is it with about hating Windows itself that makes it hypocritical to enjoy a 360? I think MS Office is a very good office suit that is certainly ahead of its competition, but using the same logic as before I should dislike that simply because I dislike Windows. That's what I don't buy.

Re:/. is funny sometimes (1)

Panzergheist (609926) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822477)

That was my point exactly. I was just too lazy to type it out since I spend too much time on /. as it is. Speaking of which...

Re:/. is funny sometimes (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822407)

The exact same logic as people who won't buy a PS3 because of what BMG did with CDs - extremely poor.

Re:/. is funny sometimes (2, Funny)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823481)

No I don't buy sony because of what sony did to Sega.

Yeah I hold my grudges till grim death.

Not at all (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823725)

It's not the same logic at all. People don't like Windows for technical reasons. They don't like Sony's DRM for moral reasons. Hence, not liking Windows but liking the 360 is possible, but hating Sony for the DRM implies that you hate the company, not a single product.

Re:Not at all (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824177)

If you only knew the POWER of the DARK SIDE!

Re:/. is funny sometimes (1)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822449)

Well, a lot of Linux and Mac folks say that the only thing Windows is good for is playing games.

So it's theoretically a good thing that MS is crystallizing their gaming experience into a standalone console. With all these PC/Xbox cross-platform games (plus whatever console-only releases), it makes owning a Windows gaming PC less necessary.

In theory.

Re:/. is funny sometimes (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823157)

Wow, it's almost as if there is more than one person posting on the site.

On the other hand, maybe we ARE all just figments of Coyboy Neal's imagination. If so, he's a sick bastard...

They showed confidence, so? (2, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822277)

The tone from Microsoft tonight was one of celebration and anticipation

Well of course it was! How many companies go to a big conference and put on a presentation and say "Hey! We suck!"?

Remember Sony's conference last year? Remember "Riiidge Racer!"? _They_ were certainly confident, but that didn't mean much in the long run. It's not whether they show confidence in themselves that matters, it's whether the media and the consumers also feel confident about them by the time the presentation is done.

I remember.. (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823833)

and it seems the battle in modern Japan saw the Wii hit the ps3 in its weak spot for MASSIVE DAMAGE.

Did somebody say 'movie'? (2, Funny)

wall0159 (881759) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822281)

After the cinematic masterpiece that was DooM, I just can't wait for the Halo movie.

I hope they release it in blu-ray or HD-DVD, so I can watch it in all its HighDef glory.

Re:Did somebody say 'movie'? (2, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822391)

After the cinematic masterpiece that was DooM, I just can't wait for the Halo movie.

Haven't you heard? The Halo movie was put on indefinite hold a while back. That said, it looks like they still have Neill Blomkamp [imdb.com] in their corner, judging by the short they showed tonight. If you haven't already, you should check out some of his stuff [youtube.com] , especially Alive in Joburg [youtube.com] . He's a very talented director and cinematographer, and many people were excited to hear that he was going to helm the Halo movie. On top of that, IMDB currently lists Alex Garland (28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later) as the writer for the Halo movie, which shows promise. And finally, Bungie has a huge bible of Halo lore that they use for the games and books, which gives the Halo movie a fighting chance compared to Doom (which only had a story in order to justify why you were hunting for keys and killing demons). If they ever decide to go forward with the movie, I'll be cautiously excited.

I hope they release it in blu-ray or HD-DVD, so I can watch it in all its HighDef glory.

But Blu-Ray is Sony! Eww! Obviously they'll release it as an HD download on Xbox Live instead. :)

Re:Did somebody say 'movie'? (1)

jagdish (981925) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824891)

Alive in Joburg was great. Neill Blomkamp should've directed the Transformers movie.

Re:Did somebody say 'movie'? (2, Funny)

BarneyL (578636) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823035)

Just watch, the Halo movie will come out exclusively on Blu-Ray...

Happy as a PC Gamer (1)

buzzzz (767841) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822285)

As a PC Gamer I am happy that MS is pushing for games on the PC. Hopefully, we won't have to pay membership fees for Gears of War online. I had bet on the fact that with Vista out, most great games on XBox will find their way to the PC and had thus bought a PS3.... yay to me.

Anyways, with few new announcements that wasn't a very successful press conference. I was hoping for a few new games, or a price drop on the elite, or anything else that would push me into convincing my wife to let me buy a 360

Re:Happy as a PC Gamer (1)

dunezone (899268) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822317)

I think their holding back the price cut till after Sony and Nintendo present themselves.

Re:Happy as a PC Gamer (1)

KillzoneNET (958068) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822409)

I've found it pretty promising when it comes to their ideas for Games for Windows. They are basically treating their operating system as a means to pull in more gamers and compatibility between their console system and the OS.

During the presentation they highlighted a few major companies that will provide content to what basically will become an xBox Live center for Windows, stating that Epic Games will contribute the Unreal3 engine for a means for people to create content that will work for both Windows and the 360. Their emphasis of allowing people to create homebrew games is something that Sony and Nintendo lack in general.

I'm also completely stoked that many of the up and coming next gen games are for both the PC and consoles. Moore was eager to show enthusiasm for Bioshock for the 360, but for me as a PC gamer, I'm even more eager to try this game on my own computer. The same applies to other games such as Assassin's Creed which debuted the first ever in-game play through.

I do see only one problem with their entire "Games for Windows" line of ideas and plans, and that is with their online play. Currently with Shadowrun and Halo 2, players are allowed to play online for free against each other. However there seems to be a bit of a bias when it comes to whether or not to allow PC gamers on the same servers as consoles. Halo 2 separates the crowd into two different camps, while Shadowrun allows for both (I believe, I didn't play it long before I figured to turn it back being too boring for my tastes). You still require to pay for a subscribed membership for the logging of achievements, but they may pull a fast one and require a gold membership in order to play online as opposed to us already being allowed to play online for free.

Re:Happy as a PC Gamer (1)

blackicye (760472) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823019)

As a PC Gamer I am happy that MS is pushing for games on the PC. Hopefully, we won't have to pay membership fees for Gears of War online


Not a chance..I assure you they will try to extract a monthly "Live" fee from you if you wish to play Gears of war online.

Re:Happy as a PC Gamer (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823605)

This is the worry. I don't see why anybody should pay Microsoft a penny for online play. PC games have traditionally allowed individuals and clans to set up their own servers. All that Epic or whoever needs to supply is a lookup service that lists running servers to the client so the user can pick which one to play on. This is not a massive expense for Epic since a single PC running Apache could probably manage the load.

Assuming that the online is free, I think Gears has the potential to kick the 360's ass. The 360 version was hobbled with ad hoc play only but dedicated servers run by clans could allow for 20 player carnage.

Re:Happy as a PC Gamer (1)

Araxen (561411) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824297)

That's one thing I'm dreading about the whole xbox live on PC stuff is that the PC gamers will be hobbled with only 20 person servers when most FPS PC games on the PC have 32-64 player servers.

Re:Happy as a PC Gamer (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823577)

I wouldn't be so sure about the membership fees. On the one hand Gears of War is made by Epic who traditionally push lots of free stuff as part of the business model. On the other, Microsoft might force the game to use the Windows Live service for its online.

I can see MS giving Epic money to use their service, or perhaps it was written into the contract that Epic have to. Windows Live is dying a death since people reasonably wonder why they should pay for something that should be free and can still be found for free in other online services such as Steam.

Hai Microsoft! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822553)

Best wishes 2 u

Nintendo

No price cuts? (1)

Opsive (948514) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822681)

One of the biggest things that was expected was for Microsoft to announce was that they were cutting the price of the 360. Gamesutra even had an article saying that the price cuts were supposed to be the "key takeaway" of E3 2007 (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?s tory=14631 [gamasutra.com] ).

I guess they will wait until after Halo 3 and GTA4 are released and saturated in the market since a $50 price cut won't change many peoples decisions on whether or not to get the system.

Price cut for the Thanksgiving holiday anyone?

Re:No price cuts? (2, Insightful)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822831)

One of the biggest things that was expected was for Microsoft to announce was that they were cutting the price of the 360.

Why should they cut their price? The Elite version is still cheaper than a PS3. They're kicking ass in terms of media downloads (Disney is a huge win) and XBLA. They're getting exclusive games for the 360 and getting other companies to break their exclusivity (Resident Evil, Devil May Cry). Live subscriptions are way up, even if total console sales didn't quite hit the mark. They've even earned a fair amount of good will with their ring of death mea culpa and extended warranty. By all counts, the 360 is doing quite well and doesn't really warrant a price cut. The savings might be enough to start showing a profit on hardware at the current price, which would be great press for Microsoft and fantastic news for shareholders (it might even get the stock price back above $30).

That said, it's rumored that the new 65nm process will be up and running soon (Fall), which will reduce the build price of the console. It's quite possible that there still may be a price cut looming for the holiday if they can get the 65nm boxes out in time. Then again, they may be better off pocketing the savings rather than cutting prices so long as the cheapest PS3 is more expensive than the most expensive 360.

Nobody's expecting Nintendo to cut the price of the Wii to $200. Why should Microsoft cut the price of the 360 just because Sony did so with the PS3?

Re:No price cuts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19824265)

Why should Microsoft cut the price of the 360 just because Sony did so with the PS3?
... because it's been out for almost two fucking years!?

Re:No price cuts? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824393)

Sorry, but I'm going to take issue with this -

They're kicking ass in terms of media downloads (Disney is a huge win)

What movies does Disney have? Bambi? Snow White? Thanks but no thanks.

Re:No price cuts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19824947)

no dingus, *you* may not like disney films, but when MS is trying to take over the living room, what better way to get mommy and daddy's attention than to have all of disney's library at their fingerprints for the smallest in the house. ye gads. its NOT just about hardcore this gen. What rock have you been living under since the release, and almost totally unavailable since, wii? It's NOT about the hardcore.

Re: Sony cut the price of the PS3 ? (2, Informative)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824629)

Nobody's expecting Nintendo to cut the price of the Wii to $200. Why should Microsoft cut the price of the 360 just because Sony did so with the PS3?

Wait... Sony dropped the price of the PS3? At launch you could get one for $499 or $599, now on Amazon I see them listed for $499 and $599... Did they introduce a new SKU for $449 or $399 and I'm not seeing it?

Celebrating their monopoly... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822713)

I think the final sentence of the following portion of the summary is sad:

"The tone from Microsoft tonight was one of celebration and anticipation, as they ran down their successes since the 360 launched and hyped their lineup between now and the end of the year. Peter Moore framed the discussing by recalling the blockbuster holiday season of 2004, which was driven by the Grand Theft Auto, Madden, and Halo franchises. Moore stated that 'the only place to play all three games' this year is the 360."

The celebration is essentially over their monopoly. The deals are paying off; their role as gatekeeper and toll collector is going to make them a lot of money. The console has fewer capabilities than a comparably-priced personal computer these days, and it has only been the exclusive publication deals that have drawn people to buy the 360 at all. Although consumers are making free decisions, I think constructing consoles (or Verizon cell phones, or Sony media formats, or various batteries and light bulbs, etc) simply to lure people in to participating in ongoing exclusive transactions to eventually exploit both all remaining perceived value of the product and the reluctance of a person to turn away from a bad decision, is unethical.

The Atari 2600 console was created and sold at a time when a comparable personal computer was maybe 10X the cost.
The 360 is just a crippled personal computer created for the sole purpose of creating a value distortion effect that causes an unjustifiable amount of money eventually going to its creators and partners.

The creation of Microsoft's video formats, or the Flash video format, or Sony's Blue-Ray, or SMS, or Verizon's "Get It Now", or Sony's memory stick, etc, has nothing to do with creating value for the consumer or making an advance in technology. It's all about luring people in to habits that are difficult to break.

While I think it's shameful for Apple to not enable easy use of any audio file to be used as a "ring tone" when the iPhone receives a call, at least Apple INNOVATED and provided genuine value in the many other features of the software and hardware. Even Apple seems reluctant to turn down the totally unethical revenue gained by controlling how people associate audio clips with incoming calls, though! (May they prove me wrong some day soon!) However, their access to the Internet (e.g., YouTube) is completely neutral; only bandwidth with the carrier matters. Meanwhile, Verizon and some 3G device carriers wanted to use their monopolistic roles yet again by charging specifically for access to YouTube content. How do carriers add value to specific data streams? They don't!

Stockholders and board members should vote in some ethics-inspired procedures to prevent the exploitation of any monopoly-like conditions that their business units might happen to indirectly or directly create. For example, the charter of Verizon should have forbid having any control over the kinds of data carried on their networks, or controlling any data transferred to and from devices owned by customers. "Get It Now" should never have been possible. Costly SMS bills, beyond the reasonable cost of operating cell towers, etc, should never have become a big source of profit for carriers.

Microsoft and its partners may be way beyond the ability to adopt any sort of ethics-inspired corporate principles; the very creation of the 360 is evidence of that.

Maybe the ultimate solution to the problem of companies creating captive markets (because such companies are too lazy to actually innovate or create genuine value) is to spread information that makes it evident that a person is better off choosing products in true open markets.

Re:Celebrating their monopoly... (4, Insightful)

scapermoya (769847) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822871)

The console has fewer capabilities than a comparably-priced personal computer these days, and it has only been the exclusive publication deals that have drawn people to buy the 360 at all.

really? i agree that it was a forced event, but microsoft has never been known for their people skills. bash the presentation all you want, but their console is pretty good. i'd like to see the $3-400 multi-core 3.2 ghz computer you have been gaming on.

also, saying that "it has only been the exclusive publication deals that have drawn people to buy the 360 at all" is like saying disneyland is only popular because its the only place where you can find all of those rides.

Re:Celebrating their monopoly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822929)

WTF are you on about... seems more like a troll post than anything else. MSFT has no monopoly on the games scene, and has very little chance of ever getting one. The games scene is highly volitle, one minute your at the top then the next you've sold your hardware devision and have to concentrate on only making games. MSFT still has to compete against the Wii, and who knows what the next generation console war will bring. Maybe Apple will join it next time (highly unlikey but then again people here probably said the same thing about them using intel chips). The fact is, MSFT has been inovative with the 360, and by the sounds of things your not their target market or have played much on the console scene (since the Atari 2600 by the sounds of things). The 360 (and PS3) are not just crippled "PCs", they're machines designed for one thing and that is to play games and push lots of 3D shapes around in a cheap way. Due to the way they were designed they beat PCs of similar spec (unified architecture and all that) becuase they were designed with one purpose.

Also, you may have noticed that this console war not many people have take sides. Lots of companies are realeasing on every possible format. That doesn't sound like MSFT has a monopoly at all.

Think you should go back to you hippie commune and roll your self another big one...

Re:Celebrating their monopoly... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19822931)

Actually, Here you are totally off-base. For one thing -- Bungee is Microsoft. Halo is a Microsoft product. I assumed everyone on the planet knew that game was made by microsoft given that it has only ever lived on XBOX consoles. As for the hardware being overpriced, I have to disagree -- especially considering the fact that the original XBOX was such a huge loss due to people modding them as cheap pcs. And considering the time and effort put into improving the "security" of the XBOX2 you can bet that they aren't making a profit off the hardware.

As for the "monopoly" -- I think you may want to look that word up. There is no monopoly in the console platform industry. There are obviously 3 major competitors with reasonable market share competing quite vigorously in that market.

In general, you must recognize that console platforms do not make money from sales. They make money from liscences sold. A console platform sells N consoles at a loss, then they recoup that loss based on liscences sold to game developers to release their games on the console. This is where hype and bullshit deeply scar companies. If a console is hyped hard enough, game manufacturers will buy liscences for it. Even if everyone on the planet had a dreamcast today, a software vendor won't buy a liscence for it because there is no hype around the console, and the sense is that the effort and fees would just go down the toilet. The whole market is speculative, and no Microsoft does not instantly get a monopoly on everything it touches for free including console platforms despite popular belief.

Re:Celebrating their monopoly... (1)

blackicye (760472) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823037)

Halo is a Microsoft product. I assumed everyone on the planet knew that game was made by microsoft given that it has only ever lived on XBOX consoles.


Halo and Halo have also "lived" on PCs. Though they had to be running Windows, they most definately were not consoles.

Re:Celebrating their monopoly... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823455)

The creation of Microsoft's video formats, or the Flash video format, or Sony's Blue-Ray, or SMS, or Verizon's "Get It Now", or Sony's memory stick, etc, has nothing to do with creating value for the consumer or making an advance in technology. It's all about luring people in to habits that are difficult to break.
I don't know. the flash video format seems to me about creating a format anyone can watch, assuming they had a flash player. It's simply an integration of the player into the video data itself, yes, but also in a format that's not platform specific and fairly slim.

Re:Celebrating their monopoly... (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823555)

### The console has fewer capabilities than a comparably-priced personal computer these days

Where can I get that $300 gaming PC where I don't have to care about driver installations, upgrades, patches and all that stuff and that is going to play games for the next few years? A simple Vista license eats already a third of that money.

### and it has only been the exclusive publication deals that have drawn people to buy the 360 at all.

Consoles are about who has the best games, this generation it seems to be Microsoft, you can't blame them for providing the best game offering, since that is essentially what gaming is all about.

And when you talk about monopoly, Nintendo has abused its one back then in the NES/SNES days quite a bit, Sony did try to push Bluray with the monopoly it got from the PS2 days and so on. Microsoft simply is better at securing exclusives then the rest so far and that has little to do with abusing monopolies, since that is was basically everybody is doing.

### is to spread information that makes it evident that a person is better off choosing products in true open markets.

When you want to spread lies, go ahead. But unless you can sell me that $300 gaming PC the XBox360 simply is the better offering. Sure, I would prefer if it would be an open platform, but there simply isn't a competing alternative that is an open platform in the same price range, so I pick the system that offers the best/most games.

PS: No, I am not a XBox360 owner, horrible hardware reliability still keeps me away, but that aside its the best gaming machine available today.

A little mixed (4, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822797)

After watching their press conference I'm a little mixed about it. I liked the fact that they didn't bother talking too much about what's coming out far off in 2008, but talked about what we could be expecting to see in time for the holidays. It's interesting to see what's in the pipes, but I liked that they highlighted the games showing up in the near future. I also think they did a good job pointing out some of the exclusives that they were going to have as well or what kind of exclusive features (GTA IV downloadable content) that would only be showing up on the Xbox 360.

I think that their efforts in terms of family games was a little on the week side. I can understand they want to get into the same marketspace as the Wii, but it seems as though it's an afterthought for them. I think that their initial core market is mature gamers who enjoy FPS games and such. The Scene It game just seemed kind of awkward for a console. I think the majority of Xbox 360 owners don't really care too much about these games. I would have rather seen more focus on their core.

I really could care less about their Live for Windows information as well, but I've never been much of a computer gamer. I've always liked E3 for the focus on the consoles.

One thing that really stuck out, and this always seems to happen at pretty much every conference, is that some celebrity or designer comes out to highlight a game and they come off sounding stiff and awkward. The lady talking during the Assassins Creed preview made me cringe. The Madden demo also felt forced. Please reherse or find some more genuine presenters. It makes everything look more professional. Last year Sony was horrible for this reason.

Overall, not a bad showing, but it didn't feel as though they were trying to generate a lot of buzz. Maybe that's just an effect of the new format of E3 though. Looking forward to both of the press conferences tomorrow and what Sony and Nintendo have in the works.

Re:A little mixed (1)

Elkboy (770849) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823607)

The lady presenting Assassin's Creed is Jade Raymond, darling of male gamers because she's an attractive and nerdy game producer who's also a young woman. She could've been in a wheelchair with an electronic voice, Hawking-style, and people would still fawn over her. I must admit she is rather charming... Almost as charming as Assassin's Creed.

Gears of War PC - just one comment... (1)

mattbee (17533) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822859)

If it's going to be Vista-only I'll be waiting for the inevitable "unofficial" XP patch before I buy it. Whether they'll have the balls to scupper sales for a potentially big PC hit is another matter - any bets? I might consider it but I've heard that lots of my existing games *won't* work on Vista - as a gamer, why would I want to spend money on that?

Re:Gears of War PC - just one comment... (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#19822895)

If it's going to be Vista-only I'll be waiting for the inevitable "unofficial" XP patch before I buy it.

Did you listen to CliffyB? He clearly said "XP and Vista". Please don't jerk your knee so hard next time.

I might consider it but I've heard that lots of my existing games *won't* work on Vista - as a gamer, why would I want to spend money on that?

Some older (usually poorly-written) games have problems running in a restricted mode, but setting app compat for that game to XP generally does the trick. Aside from that, the #1 biggest problem with Vista is the immaturity of the drivers. Once ATI and nVidia hit their stride, Vista gaming should be in a much better place.

Re:Gears of War PC - just one comment... (1)

mattbee (17533) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823113)

Goodo - no I only read the Gamespot summary which didn't mention it. Knee retracted ;)

Re:Gears of War PC - just one comment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19823253)

If it's going to be Vista-only I'll be waiting for the inevitable "unofficial" XP patch before I buy it
I know it's been established in the other comment that the game is coming to XP, but let's pretend it wasnt for the sake of this post. buying it is the WRONG thing to do. if you want developers to keep releasing DX9/win xp games, you need to let them know that DX10/vista only titles are not appreciated by not buying them. waiting for a patch and then buying them sends the wrong idea. if you must play the game, pirate it. dont support developers who choose to ignore 90+% of the windows market

Re:Gears of War PC - just one comment... (1)

Nim82 (838705) | more than 7 years ago | (#19823657)

Don't buy it, make your point in a way that is meaningful.

There are far better games available already on the PC. GOW is pretty weak when put alongside existing PC games.. HL2, UT2K4, Battlefield, etc. all offer superior gameplay - there's lots of great mods out there as well.

HALO1/2 have both bombed on the PC due to their blatant 'console friendly' design, can't see GOW doing much better either - not with UT3 around the corner.

Funny.. (1)

Mark Gillespie (866733) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824029)

Forums are alight with news, that Microsoft gave nothing new, aside from a BabyPoo Green Halo 20GB Xbox 360, which clashes with the red rings of death.

I like how they implied how GTA IV was an Xbox exclusive, by bundling it with the Halo 3 statement.

Here is a reworded version for Sony:

Harrisson said "This season, the only way to play GTA IV, Killzone, Warhawk, Ratchet Clank TOD is on Playstation 3"..

See how easy it was...

Re:Funny.. (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824447)

I thought they said Madden as well. So two out of the three titles they implied exclusivity for were not exclusive....which leaves Halo...whose sequel sucked and apparently Halo 3 looks underwhelming. So why do I care again?

celebration and anticipation? (1)

FlopEJoe (784551) | more than 7 years ago | (#19824409)

Nooo!! Was Monkey Boy dancing around the stage again?
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