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Nintendo - "Everyone is a Gamer"

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the or-they-soon-will-be dept.

Nintendo 354

There's nothing that excites gamers like statistics; pie charts and graphs dominated the opening of Nintendo's E3 conference. Fortunately, the event had more than just business to discuss. They unveiled a 'Wii Zapper' housing that allows the Wiimote and Nunchuck to combine into a light gun, which will retail for about twenty bucks. They showed off a number of third party titles to prove the outside-the-company commitment, such as a Soul Calbur and Medal of Honor (which will be playable online) designed specifically for the console. Hardcore gamers were the focus of the early portion of the conference: Smash Brothers Brawl has a launch date of December 3rd in the US. They heavily hyped online play, with several EA titles and a Pokemon-like Dragon Quest title. Mario Kart for Wii will be launching early next year, will be playable online, and will have a Wiimote driving wheel housing packaged with the game. With the hardcore discussed, the attention shifted to mass market games. A new channel, 'Check Mii Out' will allow for a HotorNot-style voting mechanism and contests to make the most realistic celebrity Mii. There was much discussion of the Nintendo approach to expanding audience; Super Mario Galaxy was brought up as bridging that gap, as a second player can 'assist' the primary player in various ways. Galaxy will be launching on November 12th. Targetted more directly at this 'outside the norm' group was WiiFit, which uses a dedicated device called the Wii Balance Board. It allows for a daily exercise routine, can track data over time (and compare it to other family members) and includes some simple minigames like a soccer heading game. The press conference ended with Reggie Fils-Aimee revealing Nintendo's goal to make videogaming one of the pre-eminent forms of entertainment, across all age groups.

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What gamers? (4, Funny)

also-rr (980579) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827535)

There's nothing that excites gamers like statistics; pie charts and graphs

That's just outreach to all the hardcore gamers in accounting, obviously. Feel welcome guys!

Re:What gamers? (5, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828039)

That's just outreach to all the hardcore gamers in accounting, obviously. Feel welcome guys!
Nah, accountants build their own games in Excel, such as the ever-popular hits:

Function Call of Duty
Age of Accruals
The Balance Sheets of War
Extreme Audit III: Sarbanes-Oxley Compliance

Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19827587)

It has gotten to the point where I feel like I am forcing myself to turn it on once a month or so. It does get the occasional use when someone comes by and they haven't seen the system yet, but the number of people who haven't heard about the Wii is pretty small now. And it seems like most people are extremely interested at first and then their interest rapidly diminishes to zero.

Nothing Nintendo has shown today really rekindled my interest in my, dusty, Wii. I can't really imagine what they could come out with for the system that will bring back that hype I felt late last year.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (2, Interesting)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827655)

"It has gotten to the point where I feel like I am forcing myself to turn it on once a month or so. It does get the occasional use when someone comes by and they haven't seen the system yet, but the number of people who haven't heard about the Wii is pretty small now. And it seems like most people are extremely interested at first and then their interest rapidly diminishes to zero."

I think it also depends on your age group. If not for /. I'd probably not know what a Wii was. Most people I know my age are too busy to mess with gaming much. And in their free time, they like to spend it out..dining out, seeing a movie...clubs, bars...festivals, etc.

When I want to veg out at home...I like to just veg, which means listening to the stereo, or watching something on the projector (movie, tv show)...veggin' to me is a passive thing.

When I want action...I go out.

I used to like computer games, and I think I might still play the occasional one if I thought of it. But, back when I used to play them alot, while I had more free time, I also had less income to go out and do things. Now I can afford to go out and do things, which eats up more of my limited time I have these days.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19828501)

I find it interesting that the preceding post got 5 points for being "interesting" -- come on, the guy is just talking about getting outside once in a while instead of staying indoors, continually mesmerised by some vapid gaming console! Really, it's not all that unusual! This is news to you kids??

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (2, Insightful)

Mr.Dippy (613292) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827687)

I am the same way to a certain point. However, I've been more interested in downloading the classic games and that is where I spend 90% of my Wii time. I had the same attitude with my DS when it first came out. I played it for about a month or two and then it sat on my desk collecting dust. Then games like Meteos, Kirby, and Castlevania came out and I started playing again. The Wii has the problem right now where there are no new good games. Give it till the end of the summer when metroid comes out.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

chrisjwray (717883) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828265)

I feel the same way, I owned mine for a total of seven weeks. I played zelda for about three then it sat there unused for the rest of the time as I had no more motivation to play it (who cares about everybody votes or miis).
I was offered $450CAD by somebody who was having trouble finding one in the stores and literally bit their hand off.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

Jozxyqk (16657) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827705)

I invented a word for that feeling -- "enwii".
But I am definitely not feeling it.

The News and Weather channels were a fast-fading gimmick for me, and I haven't used the browser to play all those Flash games or anything, but I'm still very happy with the console.
Super Paper Mario was a game my wife and I had a lot of fun playing together, and I even just dusted off my old copy of Trauma Center that I never finished. Also still enjoying the Virtual Console stuff and making Miis. Looking forward to all the cool new toys.

I guess I'm their target audience.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (2, Interesting)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827709)

I still play WiiSports with my nieces all the time. I still play Mario Party 8 with my wife often. Resident Evil 4 is even more fun then when I played it on my cube and I just got a few new VC games with some gift cards from a few friends.

So in short: yes.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (2, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827765)

If the conference is anything to go by, their strategy is to produce a continuous stream of add-ons. Gun "zappers", steering wheels, balance mats and so on. The wheel was just silly, the gun zapper wasn't much better since aiming down the barrel isn't going to work plus the awkward position of the nunchuk. I could see a mat that could weigh you and do other things having potential though.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (4, Interesting)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827839)

As someone who grew up with the NES and SNES, Nintendo has always been "gadget-happy" and looking for alternate interfaces. I know back home I have the following:

NES: Zapper, Power Pad, Advantage (Arcade joystick styled controller), Max ("Analog" style controller.. also has wings like a PlayStation controller)
SNES: Mouse, Super Scope

More Nintendo peripherals isn't anything new.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

lexarius (560925) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828017)

How could you forget the Power Glove and ROB the robot thingy?

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828087)

Power Glove was Mattel's disaster unleashed upon the world, wasn't it?

Looks like crappy 3rd party accessories have been around for ages.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828057)

My critism is that the accessories are just gimmicks. I'll exclude the Advantage and Max since they featured turbo and are pretty much the one and only time Nintendo produced alternate controllers (ignoring the NES 2 redesign or multicolored functionally-identical ones) for any system.

R.O.B. supported 2 games. Zapper: about 5. Power Pad: 2. Mouse: 2. Super Scope: 1 (six I guess, if you're the type of person who would count Wii Sports as 5 games).

The accessories, almost by axiom, can't be used in a whole lot of different games because the system didn't come with it. And the system shouldn't come with it because all the games don't support it. So you get a catch-22 kind of thing. In the meantime all those accessories cost money and take up space.

Then again, I've got a nasty little rhythm game habit which results in owning a dance pad for only 2 PS2 titles, beatmania controller for one, guitar controller for two, maybe the slap in the face with peripherals makes me feel good in dirty dirty gamer kind of way.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (2, Insightful)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828297)

On the flip-side:

Look at DDR and Guitar Hero. Both feature accessories that are incredibly limited in scope. Yet Harmonix and Konami are raking in cash with them. Which you pointed out.

Also, a lot of arcade games these days center around non-traditional input devices.

Talk to HCI people and I think they'll agree that custom inputs will always be preferred to a general device by users. Especially if it maps a lot better to the task at hand. If the game industry wants to expand beyond the core audience, they need to break down the barrier between the game and the user. Which means, doing away with the abstract link between pushing buttons and what happens on screen. Which is pretty damn evident when you look at the near universal appeal of something like Guitar Hero.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19828299)

Super Scope: 1 (six I guess, if you're the type of person who would count Wii Sports as 5 games).

The Superscope also supported Battle Clash, Metal Combat, and Yoshi's Safari. And that is just off the top of my head, because those were the three Superscope games I used to own (in addition to the six in one cartridge that came with the gun.)

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

edwdig (47888) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828571)

Super Scope: 1 (six I guess, if you're the type of person who would count Wii Sports as 5 games).

Super Scope had at least 2 others. Yoshi's Safari and some robot battling game. Might've been more, but those were the interesting ones.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19828653)

Maybe the robot battling games were called Battle Clash and Metal Combat, just like the AC who posted 22 minutes before you already said? He/She also mentioned Yoshi's Safari and even quoted the exact same part of the GP's post that you did!

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

triffid_98 (899609) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828641)

I don't know, if you look at slightly more modern consoles, I'd say the Dreamcast or PS2 would be king of the gadgets.

DC: twin-stick, maracca controller, fishing controller, dance pad, seaman mic, driving controller, light gun, arcade stick, mouse, keyboard

PS2:eyetoy, singstar mic, dual shock pad, fishing controller, driving controller, rez vibrator,novelty chainsaw and katana controllers, dance pad, guitar controller, beatmania controller, keyboard, mouse

As someone who grew up with the NES and SNES, Nintendo has always been "gadget-happy" and looking for alternate interfaces. I know back home I have the following: NES: Zapper, Power Pad, Advantage (Arcade joystick styled controller), Max ("Analog" style controller.. also has wings like a PlayStation controller) SNES: Mouse, Super Scope

Aiming with the Wii Remote works. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828607)

Aiming works perfectly well if you calibrate the pointer. In fact, most modern arcade shooters don't use light guns at all, they use a similar mechanism to the one used by the Wii. Although the Zapper did look pretty stupid, I would have preferred a one-handed gun for stuff like the new Resident Evil.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

phantomlord (38815) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827935)

I still play my Wii at least 10 hours a week (got it about a week after launch). I'd play more, but my limiting factor is that I'm currently unemployed so I can't go out and buy game after game (I currently have 5, all of which have at least some, if not a lot, of replayability). Every time I go to a relative's house, they're still begging me to bring my Wii so they can bowl (and some of them have dozens and dozens of rounds under their belt). There are a couple games out there that I still want to get and there is at least one more on the near horizon that I'd like to try (Metroid Prime Hunters is set for next month... I haven't played Metroid since the original, so I'd like so see where things are now).

In a way, your post reminds me of the hardcore raiders back when I was playing EQ. They'd burn through content as fast as possible and then spend the next 3-5 months bitching that there wasn't anything to do. Meanwhile, I played just as much as they did but spent more of my time in the depths of EQ doing quests, exploring, etc that they never did because it wasn't part of the raid game (and thus didn't matter and might as well not exist). So, rather than fix current content, the pressure was always on to come out with another raid oriented expansion to keep the people who raid 40 hours a week happy. The game became mostly about raiding at that point. Keep raiding to keep up, burn out your guild, replace them with people from the next level down raid guild, rinse and repeat until most raiders are burned out and gone and most casuals are sick of being left behind... and where does the population of EQ stand today because of the decisions SOE made due to the pressure from the hardcores that rushed through a quarter of the content and ignored the rest? mmogchart data seems kinda stale (last EQ numbers are a year old) and it shows that almost 2/3rds of the peak number of subscribers have left.

Perhaps the problem is that you aren't the demographic Nintendo is trying to capture with the Wii... I'm thoroughly happy with mine (and so are all of my family members who haven't played a game since pacman on the Atari, if ever). I'm happy with the direction things seem to be going and the pace isn't too bad for me. Then again, maybe I am the demographic they are targeting (30 year old retiree from hardcore gaming who still wants to sit down an hour or two a night to play a game, especially if it means playing with pretty much anyone of my friends or family).

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828213)

I agree. I also happen to play my Wii about 10 hours a week. However, I only got it 2 months ago. Anyway, I find there's a lot of people complaining that they don't like the Wii, or that it's just a passing fad. The same could be said about the PS3 or the XBox 360. There's people who are going to like different consoles. That's why it's nice that this time we have 3 distinct consoles, and not 3 consoles that have the exact same feature set. If you don't like the Wii, don't buy it, It don't care. But there are obviously (based on sales) a lot of people who do like the Wii, so I wouldn't write it off as a failure. In less than a year, it's already sold 1/3 as many xboxes/GC that have ever sold, and that is while being supply constrained.

Re:Does Anyone Really Use Their Wii Anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19827959)

I got a wii about 3 weeks after it was released. I did play it a bit then, but it was mostly just wii sports. I picked up a few more games -- wario, swingers golf, trauma center, rayman, twilight princess, and wii play and honestly nothing is piking my interest in it at all. I rented SSX Blur but that was an abortion of a game. Super Monkey Ball is ok, but nothing to write home about. I don't play my wii much at all anymore, it's probably been a month since I even turned it on. I think the Blue LED is still lit up from whatever nintendo update/e-mail they sent the console a while back. I still need to pickup Paper Mario though, maybe that'll rekindle something in it. I regret not turning around and selling it for a slight profit.

Hardcore Gamers don't really matter (4, Insightful)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828579)

Nothing Nintendo has shown today really rekindled my interest in my, dusty, Wii.

Mario Kart Online? No? really?

I can't really imagine what they could come out with for the system that will bring back that hype I felt late last year.

I think you're missing what created the hype in the first place. It wasn't you. It wasn't the gamers. It was the old people playing videogames for the first times in their lives. It was the parents, gaming with their kids. It was the kids, getting off the couch and jumping around. It was was the soccer moms, touching a videogame controller twenty years after they last played Pong.

The Wii Fitness thing may very well be huge. This may be the next Nintendogs, the next Brain Training, the next Wii Sports. The fact that most "hardcore" gamers don't really care doesn't factor in at all.

Metroid, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy may all seem like important games, but it's possible that they won't be able to compare to the importance of something casual like the Wii Balance Board.

wow (-1)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827615)

"They unveiled a 'Wii Zapper' housing that allows the Wiimote and Nunchuck to combine into a light gun"

Can you say 'inspired by Power-Rangers'? will there be something to combine your Wii and N64 into a zord as well?

Re:wow (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827665)

will there be something to combine your Wii and N64 into a zord as well?

Don't give them any ideas.

...

Wait... Did you say zord? As in "MegaZord"? As in "Giant Robot"? ... !!!

Re:wow (1)

solar_blitz (1088029) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827749)

Can you say 'inspired by Power-Rangers'? will there be something to combine your Wii and N64 into a zord as well?
Hold on a second there, Mr. Know-It-All. Last I checked Power Rangers was an American remix of sentai Japanese television shows (Ultraman, anyone?) and, to an extent, Voltron; and Nintendo developed the Light Zapper in the mid 1980's, this is not a far stretch in terms of the zapper's evolution.

Re:wow (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828103)

Actually, the light gun was apparently used in an arcade shooting game in 1936, but was more like a lazer tag setup with a sensor on a moving target.

NinTardDuh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19827619)

Good job hoarding Wiis and DSes to create artificial demand, you scum-sucking marketing pigs.

Your console will be obsolete in a year despite initial success, just like Dreamcast.

Re:NinTardDuh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19827773)

Shouldn't the byline read: Anonymous--Sony Exec--Coward ?

Re:NinTardDuh (3, Insightful)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828119)

Artificial demand? Looking at the numbers [vgchartz.com] I think that the problem is just that they can't get them out the door fast enough. They've almost sold as many as the 360 which had a yeas lead over them. In fact on closer inspection [vgchartz.com] you can see that the 360 gets a boost due to the launches of the Wii and PS3. Without that effect (essentialy help fro Nintendo and Sony) they would have already sold more.

Re:NinTardDuh (2, Informative)

vigmeister (1112659) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828287)

Interesting observation: PS3 has been selling at the same rate as the XBox360 if you look at the initial as well as current slopes. And the Wii has been selling roughly more than twice as fast. Which essentially means that the revenue generated by the Wii is probably comparable to that generated by the PS3 and the Xbox. Of course, MS and Sony have been taking losses on their console sales while Nintendo has been making a profit.
Cheers!

you did not notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19828421)

Grandparent was Sonys CEO, if anyone knows anything about 'artificial demand' its Sony.

Sonys lack of fundamental economic theory is shocking.

Two years ago (5, Interesting)

yanos (633109) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827651)

I remember when the big 3 was announcing their forthcoming console. The Xbox 360 press event made it to slashdot's front page. So did the PS3, while the Wii was tucked away in the game section. Forward two years from then, and it's Nintendo press conference that made it to the front page, while Sony and Microsoft are nowhere to be found. How things changes...

Re:Two years ago (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827695)

Didn't you get the memo?

2007: The Year The Industry Got Dropped On Its Head

Re:Two years ago (1)

neonmonk (467567) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827867)

Give it another year. Then the Sony will be on Slashdot's frontpage.

"2008 is the year of Linux on the PS3 Desktop"

Re:Two years ago (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828595)

There isn't really that much interest in running Linux on the console. First, running Linux on the PS3 doesn't get you anything you don't get from running Linux on an ordinary PC. And for the actual functionality you can get from the PS3 with Linux, you could, for the same price or less, just buy a computer and install Linux on that, plus you could probably do a lot more with an actual computer. Sure it's a nice trick that it runs Linux if you happen to own a PS3, but it's not something that adds any dollar value to the PS3. At least not for me.

Re:Two years ago (4, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827779)

Forward two years from then, and it's Nintendo press conference that made it to the front page, while Sony and Microsoft are nowhere to be found. How things changes...

Nowhere to be found [slashdot.org] , eh? Microsoft's conference was last night. Nintendo's was this morning. Sony's is next. Slashdot will cover all three.

Re:Two years ago (-1, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827835)

You're right. And just wait another two years. I'm betting that Nintendo is a one trick pony, and once the hype dies down, that these things will start collecting dust and game sales will tank. If they're smart, they're already working on a sequel... the "Wii Wii" PS3 will just be hitting it's stride, with the bugs worked out, and tons of games hitting the market that are starting to take advantage of the computing power. The 360 will still be popular, but it'll start looking and feeling "old" in comparison to the more powerful PS3.

Re:Two years ago (2, Insightful)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827869)

If Nintendo keeps focusing on innovating and making games fun while Sony/Microsoft keep focusing on making the same thing more powerful, I think Nintendo will do quite well.

Re:Two years ago (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827975)

I'm betting that Nintendo is a one trick pony

Considering that both the Wii and the DS are smash hits at the moment, I'd say that Nintendo is a "Two Trick Pony". Unless you count the continuing success of the Gameboy Advance. In which case Nintendo is a three trick pony. That is, unless you also count their unrivaled success with the Super Nintendo. In which case they're a four trick pony. Oh, but what about the original Gameboy? Make that a five trick pony. Six if you count the market-reviving, competition-stomping powerhouse that was the NES. Oh, but what about the games?!? Donkey Kong, Super Mario Bros., Mario 3, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, DK:Country, Mario Kart, Link to the Past, FZero, Mario 64, Starfox 64, Ocarina of Time, FZero X, Metroid Prime-- oh to hell with it. I'll just give you a grand total.

By my count, Nintendo is a 3,421,978 trick pony.

I can certainly see your point. By my count Sony has innovated much more than Nintendo with a grand total of... erm... two tricks. 1.5 if you believe in Sony's (rather confusingly put) "more than 10 years" philosophy of console design.

Re:Two years ago (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19828527)

Hey - can I give Nintendo a blowjob too?

Re:Two years ago (3, Interesting)

SunTzuWarmaster (930093) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827985)

Yes, in just 2 years the PS3 will no longer have bugs. Perhaps it will be playable?

In my circle one of the reasons to even get a wii was SSBB and MarioKart. The wii is just about to hit it's stride.

the reasons to have the systems:
wii - cool controls, generally social atmosphere. Warioware/Mario Party, SSBB, and Wii play/sports.
PS3 - probably going to have the best RPGs (Assassin's Creed will likely jump start sales)
Xbox 360 - lock self in room and frag things online (Halo, Metal Gear Solid, it came out strong)
Computer - adaptable interface, the best graphics, Spore

Re:Two years ago (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828083)

You're right. And just wait another two years. I'm betting that Nintendo is a one trick pony, and once the hype dies down, that these things will start collecting dust and game sales will tank. If they're smart, they're already working on a sequel... the "Wii Wii" PS3 will just be hitting it's stride, with the bugs worked out, and tons of games hitting the market that are starting to take advantage of the computing power. The 360 will still be popular, but it'll start looking and feeling "old" in comparison to the more powerful PS3.

Your analysis should sit in psychology literature under "wishful thinking". I've never heard so many things wrong about the game industry before. And I've no particular affection for either company or console.

At least don't contradict yourself. "It's very fast" is no longer a deal maker or breaker for consoles. You could call Wii a one trick pony, then PS3 ends up as zero trick pony.

Re:Two years ago (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828173)

Only on a flameheavy thread such as this would this be modded "informative"! Cuz we all know how "dead" the graphics-weak ps2 was 2 years after it's release! All the fanboy rants are beginning to make me sick.

Re:Two years ago (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828405)

I hate to say it but that really sounds like wishful thinking.
1. The PS3 may not really be more powerful than the 360. You can have a very fast system but if it is too hard to program for you will loose to less powerful systems in the long run. Just as Intel about that. They have learned that lesson a few times. The 360 is much easier to program for and has a much larger installed user base currently. Game producers have to look at the number of games they can expect to sell and the cost i.e. "difficulty" of producing them. The PS3 has the smallest customer base and the highest development costs. The only market that the PS3 outsells the 360 is Japan and as far as I can tell the Wii outsells it in every market. Also the Wii has the lowest development costs.
2. Nintendo a one trick pony? Well as the DS has proven a good innovative UI can beat shear horsepower. Sorry but that pony has shown many tricks over the years.
3. Nintendo is currently making money hand over fist with the Wii. The PS3s sales went up after the price cut but what will that do to Sony's profits? I still predict that Nintendo will offer the Wii HD in about two or three years. It will play all the old wii and GC games but will offer higher resolution graphics and a faster processor speed. No one will really care about there "investment" in the orginal Wii being usless since they didn't pay nearly as much for there Wii as the PS3 or 360.
4. It's the games. The Wii has more fun games than the PS3. It will keep selling for a good long time.
5. Nintendo can cut the price tomorrow if it wants to and still make money. So it will be a popular "why not" console.
6. I get the feeling that even Sony isn't all that thrilled with the PS3 as a platform. Why are they still making and selling the PS2? Nintendo killed the GC and Microsoft killed the XBox. Also why did God of War II come out for the PS2 and not the PS3?

The PS3 may pull out of it's current problems and do well. The odds of becoming the number one selling console I see as being slim to none.

Re:Two years ago (2, Interesting)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828685)

While I am absolutely sure that Sony isn't thrilled with the PS3, I see no problem with them continuing to sell the PS2. It's making them a shitload of money, and it's a console sale that doesn't go to the Wii.

Re:Two years ago (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828659)

It's always astonishing to read comments from people who are still in denial. Wait for it, the PSP is going to overtake the DS any second now... waaait... waaaait for it...

Seriously though, of course Nintendo is working on the Wii 2, but I doubt they'll release it first. The way it looks right now, Sony will be forced to make a move first if PS3 games sill don't look better than 360 games in three years, and they don't manage to gain any ground. It's never the leader who releases a new console first, and Nintendo has been particularly conservative traditionally, so I would bet it won't be Nintendo.

Re:Two years ago (2, Informative)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827997)

I remember when the big 3 was announcing their forthcoming console. The Xbox 360 press event made it to slashdot's front page. So did the PS3, while the Wii was tucked away in the game section.

Your memory is apparently doing you a very poor service.

Speculations about Nintendo's controller where all over the news (before they have shown the controller). When they announced the controller with photos, doubly so.

We had fanboys making fake "Nintendo Revolution" videos about what the console might look like.

Then later, when Nintendo announced how they *called* their console, it was all over the news for weeks again.

A pretty dull presentation (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827711)

There was precious little news in that conference. No indication of how multiplayer networking will be improved, no striking new games to talk about, just video montages of people raving about their Wii. The reveal of plastic steering wheel was its lowest point, reminding me of something you might get in a Happy Meal. The balancing pad looked as though it might have some fun uses though.

Re:A pretty dull presentation (1)

CorSci81 (1007499) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828185)

My first thought for the balance pad: Wii Kama Sutra. I mean, if you can do yoga on the thing it's not much of a stretch.

Re:A pretty dull presentation (2, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828221)

I kind of agree with the steering wheel and the zapper shell. The wheel looks more advanced (has buttons and such), but it's still just 'meh.'

The platform on the other hand, is HUGE. Look how many "non-gamers" like the Wii. Now give them an exercise device that is kind of fun to use, lets you do step-robics. It's like the mat from the NES days, but updated. Having all the balancing mechanics in it can open some more very interesting possibilities. It may die a quiet death, but it may be another game changer.

WiiFit (-1, Troll)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827719)

This signals that Miyamoto has moved from "legendary game designer" to "batshit crazy." I'm sorry, but Nintendo is going to get hammered for this move.

Re:WiiFit (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827769)

This signals that Miyamoto has moved from "legendary game designer" to "batshit crazy." I'm sorry, but Nintendo is going to get hammered for this move.

Remember what you (may have) thought about the Wii controller when it was announced. WiiFit is very much in line with the Wii philosophy, and shows promise. I suspect this will be a million seller in 3 months or less.

Re:WiiFit (0, Troll)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827789)

Apparently "I disagree with you" can now be represented by a Troll mod. Thanks.

Re:WiiFit (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19827889)

If you had said "I disagree with him", I doubt you'd have been modded as a troll. But calling someone "batshit crazy" ain't exactly the way to start off a conversation. As Jules Winnfield once said, "Personality goes a long way."

Re:WiiFit (1)

milatchi (694575) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828545)

Apparently "I disagree with you" can now be represented by a Troll mod. Thanks.

It has been this way on Slashdot for a while now. Unless you are talking about: Apple in a positive light, how great Linux is, or the porn industry's role in deciding the next gen. media format (Blu-ray or HD-DVD) you will be modded Flamebait, Troll, or Redundant.

Re:WiiFit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19828205)

I think you'd be surprised how often "batshit crazy" and "legendary game designer" line up. In the same respect, John Carmack is some "loony guy building rockets in his back yard"

Re:WiiFit (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828355)

Yeah, well I bet you thought "Wii" was a dumb name as well. It didn't do the console any harm. And WiiFit seems to fit in (pun definitely intended) alongside Wii Sports, Wii Play and Wii Music [wikipedia.org] nicely. You might not go out and buy it, buy there are a lot of people who will. Apparently it's all about the casual gamer now; and for me that's good as I seem to like games aimed at the casual gamer; probably because I am one, I just don't have time to dedicate a 20 hour gaming session to my latest game (unless it's Civ, but that's another matter; we all have our vices ;p).

'twas lame (1, Flamebait)

androvsky (974733) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827721)

For nearly all the gamers that actually watched it, this conference was a disaster. They didn't really reach out to hardcore gamers, they basically told them to shut up about online, and yes, the three or four games you already knew about are still coming out. Yay. The rest of the show was about how people who don't normally game were getting into the Wii and DS. That's great for Nintendo and the shareholders, people who would classify themselves as gamers were basically shoved over to the MS/Sony side of things. Then they trot out Miyamoto, the genius that is the only reason Nintendo still exists, especially in the minds of regular gamers, and then reveal his amazing new project! Wii Fit. It's basically a two pad DDR pad that's pressure sensitive. There was even a horrible DDR-style step exercise program, it was pathetic. The only mildly entertaining thing in it was the Soccer headbutting mini-game. Good to kill a few minutes at a friend's house, but not something to replace, you know, a real game. Oh, it had a scale function too! Now THAT'S Next-Gen!! You can find out what your BMI is!!!! Nintendo is making Super Rub-A-Dub look like an epic. And this is what Miyamoto's doing now, coming up with new ways to disguise a gaming system to sell to people who don't want to play games? For all the gamers I know, Wii Wept.

Re:'twas lame (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827809)

The rest of the show was about how people who don't normally game were getting into the Wii and DS. That's great for Nintendo and the shareholders, people who would classify themselves as gamers were basically shoved over to the MS/Sony side of things.

Wasn't that the point of the new and improved E3 though? I thought they were reshaping it to be more about the business and less about the games themselves.

Re:'twas lame (1)

lpangelrob (714473) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827877)

Wii Fit looks like an extension of Wii Sports. And from the descriptions I got reading about it, it sounds interesting enough to play with, and I'm going to guess that more games (life-applications? I don't really know what this is anymore) will use it in the future. Surfing, anyone? It is something, again, that both my wife and I will enjoy.

It also seems to be a response to the 360's Yourself!Fitness, sales numbers of which I haven't been able to find in a hurry. More importantly, if it's accurate, it'll keep track of my weight and graph it better than the scale in the bathroom, mechanical pen, and printed out Excel spreadsheet.

The joystiq commentary was a waste of my 90 seconds. Three gamers whining and bitching that Nintendo doesn't come out with worthy sequels like they used to anymore. Useless. Because that worked out so well for them with the Gamecube.

It looks like where they're going with the Wii, they'll continue to print money for a few years to come.

More than the base (2, Insightful)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827901)

The rest of the show was about how people who don't normally game were getting into the Wii and DS.

Maybe they're finally realizing that there are a lot more would-be customers out there who want to play console games but can't last 30 seconds in games designed for the hardcore. My wife spends far more on console games than I do, and does so in hopes that she'll have fun ... and then invariably discovers that she has no idea how to play these convoluted things and lacks the years of experience necessary to do so with agility. Upshot is potentially lucrative enthusiastic customers are discouraged from continuing before they reach the critical mass of fun that will propel them into the "hardcore" realm.

You're a hardcore gamer. You're going to buy more games. There are more games coming for you. You're not going away anytime soon.

For just one conference, they decided to focus on trying to attract and retain more customers. You may sneer at Wii Fit, but that (a typically lame attempt at reaching out to the luddites) is a step toward figuring out what non-"gamers" want in a game.

Re:More than the base (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828009)

You're not going away anytime soon


Exactly. Nintendo doesn't have to cater to you, because they don't need you. The wonderful thing about having 3 systems is that if one company isn't making the games you want, somebody else probably is.

Re:More than the base (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828069)

My Wife also likes to play games. But can't play any games where there's any kind of interactive fighting (Mario, Zelda, anything where thing attack you and you have to fight back). And she doesn't really like sports games. She however does play a lot of games like Mario Party, Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, Tetris clones, and Mario Kart. People like this are ignored for a lot of games, and anybody who ignores them (MS, Sony) is missing out on a huger percentage of the market.

Re:More than the base (2, Insightful)

demi (17616) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828657)

I'd love a Myst-like game for the Wii, and my wife probably would, too. Limited-scope, mini-game style games are okay for a while but it would be nice to have something to sink your teeth into that wasn't a twitch adventure.

Re:'twas lame (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828523)

Did you see the latest lineup from Honda!
It was totally LAME if you are a hardcore driver!
Most of their cars waste weight and performance on things like a back seat! Who needs more than one seat or two at the max!
Some of their cars are also pretty slow. Who cares about fuel mileage!
They are pushing the hard core drivers to Lamborghini and Ferrari! How will ever survive with just the casual driver market!

I wouldn't worry. I get the feeling that you will see more "Hard core" games for the Wii. It is selling like hot cakes and people will write for it.

Wii Fit may be a HUGE hit. You may not like it but then I hate fighting games with a passion.

Not bad (3, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827751)

Didn't get to watch it live since Gamespot was having some kind of issues with their live stream and I couldn't find another one for free. Guess I'll have to check on google video for it later. I did read through about five different live blogs to get a good feel for the presentation though and overall I think they did alright.

I would have liked to see more focus on some of the third party exclusives that were being brought to the Wii, something that seems a little lacking. I know that a lot of companies have pledged support and are releasing games, but a lot of them turn out to be crappy ports that no one's interested in. They probably should have shown something from Square Enix in more detail.

I'm glad that Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. are dated now and it'll be nice to finally have some AAA games coming out. Hopefully, I'll be able to stand the wait between now and then. Announcing Mario Kart for 1Q 2008 also helps to let everyone know that there won't be another gaming drought, at least not for a while. Hopefully there will be some good AAA third party releases by then to start picking up the slack.

I'm glad they made some announcements about expanding online play in games on the system, but I still want to know more about it and how all of it will work. I'm not a huge fan of friends codes and would prefer that they used a set-up more akin to Xbox Live. At least they're finally catching up to Sony and Microsoft in terms of online play.

The Balance Board and their new light gun look like some interesting additions. I can see how the light gun adaptor would help to break down some of the barriers between casual and hardcore gamers. I also suspect that WiiFit will do a lot better than most people will give it credit for.

I'm going to go see if I can find a stream for the Sony conference now.

Re:Not bad (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828409)

If Nintendo can market themselves as the next fitness craze, there is no further hope for Sony and Microsoft.

Check Mii Out sounds cool (0, Offtopic)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827785)

I'm rather proud of my Pete Townshend Mii that I created. I modeled him after the way he looked at Woodstock.

Same Message, Different Reception (2, Insightful)

pokerdad (1124121) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827803)

The press conference ended with Reggie Fils-Aimee revealing Nintendo's goal to make videogaming one of the pre-eminent forms of entertainment, across all age groups.

Revealing? They said the same thing last year (and I think they said it two years ago too), but I suspect the number of people who are taking them seriously has increased a hundred fold.

Just don't kill MP3 (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827849)

Just release Metroid Prime 3 (when it's ready) and I'll be happy. I rarely ever buy a Nintendo console for anything else than Zelda and Metroid. All other games are just bonuses.

Now if only they'd add MPEG-4 video support (H.264, even) along with external USB drives, people could use their Wii as a media system as well. Rip DVDs to 500GB USB drive and you got a DVD library on your TV with the help of the Wii.

Re:Just don't kill MP3 (1)

Paktu (1103861) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828455)

Nintendo has stated over and over that the Wii is not a home entertainment device. It just focuses on gaming.

If you want H.264 and 500GB drives and DVD upscaling, get a PS3 or 360. As for me, I'm going to spend the next four hours playing Wii Tennis.

Re:Just don't kill MP3 (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828557)

Now if only they'd add MPEG-4 video support (H.264, even) along with external USB drives,

Right now, today, the Wii supports a web browser that can play back Youtube videos. Make your home media server have an option to render a given video in Flash and point your Wii's browser at it. Voila - home entertainment center.

Re:Just don't kill MP3 (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828559)

Why rip them to a USB drive? Keep them on your server and us wifi to watch them on TV. Or maybe also on your DS over wifi :)

I find myself less and less interested in Nintendo (2, Insightful)

hudsonhawk (148194) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827899)

...because they seem less and less interested in me.

And as someone who has owned literally every Nintendo console ever (yes, even the Virtual Boy, though not yet the Wii as it hasn't yet sold me) that makes me pretty sad.

Of course I understand why they're doing this from a business point of view. But as a long-time, moderate gamer, I don't really care - I'm a fan of their games, not their business - I just want good, engaging, and deep games to play. And that's not the direction they're going. I have seen the future and it's a collection of mini-games.

Sorry Nintendo, but Wii Yoga isn't going to win me back. I see a lot of new experiences for non-gamers, but for all its promise the Wiimote has yet to really add anything compelling to traditional gaming (waggle doesn't really count). I didn't see anything in that conference to convince me otherwise.

Re:I find myself less and less interested in Ninte (1)

Hitto (913085) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828425)

Way to get angry over ONE game.

It's not one game (1)

hudsonhawk (148194) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828519)

It's the trend I'm seeing here. It started with the DS - which I ended up selling out of disinterest - and it's continuing onto the Wii. More and more focus on getting non-gamers and party games, nothing new for the existing gamer base.

My point was that they announced new casual / non-games, and said "Hey we're not forgetting about the hardcore" but didn't show us anything new to prove that.

Re:I find myself less and less interested in Ninte (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828429)

They are releasing a lot of minigames, I'll give you that, but there's also a lot of other stuff out there. Metroid Prime, Zelda, and the Mario series are all very much not minigames. Actually, they become more and more "epic" with each new game they release from any of those series.

Re:I find myself less and less interested in Ninte (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828563)

Have you tried a Wii yet? Dismissing the remote as just something to "waggle" while you play does not begin to cover the capabilities that it's already demonstrated. I'll agree that much of what has been done with the Wii has been less about adding to traditional gaming, and more about creating new types of gaming, I still think we've gotten some hints at ways that the wiimote can improve even "traditional" game types. Redsteel certainly wasn't a perfect game, but the ability to point and aim like that in a FPS is ridiculously awesome. I'm extremely excited for the new metroid game. Madden football on the Wii is a significantly different experience than it is on other consoles.

Whether you were a gamer five years ago or never picked up a controller in your life until the Wii came out shouldn't really have a bearing on whether or not you enjoy something like WiiSports. It's not a new experience for non-gamers, it's a new experience for everyone, because games didn't work like that before.

Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid, SSB, Zelda...Nintendo is working on as many "deep" games as they always have, they're just also making a bunch of more casual games as well. Not to be too accusatory or anything, but you sort of sound like another "real" gamer who just feels like whining because "normal" people getting more into your hobby devalues it in your mind.

from eprsonal experience (1)

Some_Llama (763766) | more than 6 years ago | (#19827903)

My wife and eldest daughter are the only "non-gamers" in the house, but they both love the Wii.. from playing with Miis, to Wii sports to Wii vote they love the thing.. so now while i'm fragging away online they can play the Wii.. win win!

Mii Hot or Not? (4, Interesting)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828239)

Maybe this sounds racist but I think most Miis look pretty much the same. I don't own a wii so maybe it's been updated since the last time I've played with it but the options seem pretty limited. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it for what it is and I made one with a beard that looked halfway like mine but if they are going to make a contest on creating the most "realistic" celebrity I think we're going to see a whole lot of nearly identical miis that don't look all THAT much like any particular celebrity.

It's a very rough caricature. How realistic can people make them? Someone will make Madonna and when it's pointed out I might even agree that it kind of looks like her but if I would never have looked at the mii and immediately thought MADONNA!

My nephews own a wii and they created a mii for everyone in our extended family. They did as good a job as anyone could do but I couldn't pick out who people were because the options would have to be a lot more detailed to distinguish between my nose and my brother's nose, for instance. So how are people going to vote on celebrity miis? This one's head is a LITTLE bit bigger. That one has a slightly darker skin color. How do you decide which is better when they are all nearly identical?

Re:Mii Hot or Not? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828321)

not until the Cone shaped boobies patch comes out so you can add them to your Mii.

Nintendo intentionally made everything G rated. Otherwise having the paris-hilton Mii running around the Mii parade humping everything in sight might be a bit over the top for most families.

SWEET!! (1)

kurokaze (221063) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828293)

"They unveiled a 'Wii Zapper' housing that allows the Wiimote and Nunchuck to combine into a light gun, which will retail for about twenty bucks"

I have been waiting for this for ages!! now playing a shooter will make far more sense on the Wii!!

Overlooked real target for the fit board (2, Insightful)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828399)

Did no one else look at this thing and instantly think "Tony Hawk"?

Come on - medium sensor board, that's light and wireless, detects weight and pressure both?

Slap a shock-absorber attachment on the bottom so that it doesn't snap in half when you come down on it and you have an instant virtual skateboard. Hell you could even make a velcro attachment to the WiiMote so you could strap it to your leg to mimic pushing off.

Expanding audiences again? (1)

Ren.Tamek (898017) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828575)

"There was much discussion of the Nintendo approach to expanding audience..."

There's always talk of expanding the audience at Nintendo conferences these days. They're reaching out to the casual gamer, they're growing the gaming market, they're making gaming mainstream and they're doing it in style, or so they say.

Last generation, the gaming market was somewhere around 150 million console sales in total, and 100 million+ of that was PS2 sales. In order to grow the market, they're really going to need to sell more than their rivals last sales total of 100 million consoles, right? And something makes me wonder exactly how many Wii customers are first time buyers...

How much of wii is covered by patents? (1)

ardle (523599) | more than 6 years ago | (#19828589)

I'm not a gamer but I did play wii tennis one evening, great fun.

Just wondering if there's a game equivalent of Amazon's one-click patent for games (be surprised if there weren't). It seems to me that the wii is the first console to implement several "obvious" concepts; will the other console makers have to license any of them?
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