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Sony Displays New PSP, Polished Games At E3

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the love-to-review-some-of-those-games dept.

E3 236

Sony had a lot to prove coming into this event, and kicked off on a high note. The PlayStation 2 is still selling units, and the PSP's numbers are apparently up as well. They followed that with the news of a new version of the PlayStation Portable. It's slimmer, lighter, has a longer battery life, and the ability to connect directly to your television to display video and games. There was a good deal of discussion about upcoming PSP titles, some of which are connected to a PSP bundle. Pushing out the PS3, they show several PlayStation Store titles, included the fascinating-looking Echochrome . Moving onto the Home service they discussed cellphone and website tie-ins to the Home service, as well as the ability to launch games from directly within the Home environment. Referencing the price cut, they reveal sales have already gone up. NCSoft, Epic, and Ubisoft are all referenced as heavy backers of the PlayStation, with a tantalizing statement suggesting that user-created mods for Unreal Tournament will be coming to the console via the Playstation Network. A lengthy Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer and a statement that the game is only for the PS3 (still to be determined), due early in 2008, cap off the third-party section. First-party titles show all of the highlights of Sony's portfolio with the LittleBigPlanet trailer emphasizing creation rather than play, and their Heavenly Sword highlight showcasing the game's story for the first time. A new sandbox title with a morality component was announced, InFamous, as was a new chapter in the Gran Turismo series. The press conference wrapped with a gripping trailer for Killzone 2, completely running in real-time.

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236 comments

Crush (0, Troll)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | about 7 years ago | (#19830223)

I am highly pissed that Crush is only available for the PSP. We finally get an imaginative, mind stretching game, and it's for that thing.

Re:Crush (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 7 years ago | (#19830243)

I am highly pissed that Crush is only available for the PSP. We finally get an imaginative, mind stretching game, and it's for that thing.

Well Harrison did demo that Echo Chrome thing which looks similar in concept - rotating Escher-esque views around to cover holes and so on.

Re:Crush (4, Insightful)

CaseM (746707) | about 7 years ago | (#19830427)

And I'm pissed that I can only play Zelda on Nintendo products and Halo on Microsoft products...

Re:Crush (1)

Osty (16825) | about 7 years ago | (#19831155)

And I'm pissed that I can only play Zelda on Nintendo products and Halo on Microsoft products...

Since when does Sega [gamerankings.com] make the PSP?

Re:Crush (1)

Necreia (954727) | about 7 years ago | (#19831403)

And in other news, several Nintendo DS games will not be available for other game systems.

WOW (-1, Troll)

Gendo420 (656068) | about 7 years ago | (#19830233)

Is it just me, or does it look like Sony is grasping as straws to maintain their market share by pushing the PS2 more than PS3. If you listen closely, you can hear Sony's console division dieing a slow death.

Re:WOW (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830305)

Awww, look everyone, poor little Gendo is in tears after the Sony conference?

Does mommy need to change Gendo's panties?

Re:WOW (4, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | about 7 years ago | (#19830309)

No, it's just you. Virtually the entire focus of the presentation was on the PS3 and PSP. Sony were "grasping at straws" by showing off lots of games including some new ones, Home, a new PSP and plenty more besides.

Of the 3 presentations it was by far the most interesting.

Re:WOW (1, Informative)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | about 7 years ago | (#19830347)

What the hell are you talking about?? Sony talked about PS2 for two minutes or so, then PSP for about fifteen minutes, then Home / PSN for fifteen minutes, followed by PS3 for about an hour. They saved the best for last.

Re:WOW (5, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | about 7 years ago | (#19830681)

I think it gives them some credibility when they talk about their ten year product cycle for the PS3. If the PS2 is still receiving new games and versions of games that aren't showing up on the previous generation consoles of their competitors they can point to this and how they stand behind their product. The fact that the PS2 is outselling all other consoles short of the Wii and still has content being developed for it is amazing considering that we're over a year into the next generation.

I think you're just muck racking and naysaying, trying to proclaim the death of Sony when you don't have anything of real substance. If you want to suggest that Sony is failing at least offer something more than a shot at the success and continued viability of the PS2 as a platform.

Re:WOW (0, Redundant)

kaleco (801384) | about 7 years ago | (#19830873)

muck racking and naysaying

If I could mod you, I would. But would I go for Insightful or Funny?

Re:WOW (4, Insightful)

the dark hero (971268) | about 7 years ago | (#19831223)

The problem is this too:

Bash Sony = Mod Up

Praise Wii = Mod Up

Baseless comments are getting too much attention. People need to stick to the moderator guidelines or stop modding up groupthink style.

Really real-time? (5, Funny)

Crasty (1019258) | about 7 years ago | (#19830245)

I hope it's running in real real-time and not just real time like the previous trailer at last year's E3. Because as real as time was at the time, the demo wasn't very real, just based on what they believed would be real.. at the time.

Re:Really real-time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830489)

Well, Gears of War looked better than their "real time demo", so odds are it really is realtime time time...

Oh My Fucking God Sony (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830271)

The utterly insane Killzone footage.
The exclusive for PS3 MGS4.
The amazing MGS4 trailer with live gameplay coming up soon.
Home is looking more and more like the ultimate online system for gamers with the custom spaces for game comapanies, the streaming video, the elegant graphics, the very cool matchmaking and clan stuff.
Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Little Big Planet, Folklore, Warhawk, Infamous, SOCOM

Absolutely insane lineup. Absolutely insane level of graphics power in the PS3.

One of the best E3 conferences ever.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (2, Informative)

dj_tla (1048764) | about 7 years ago | (#19830523)

I think you misposted -- you should be at http://blog.us.playstation.com/ [playstation.com]

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (1, Troll)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 7 years ago | (#19830637)

If you have a PS3 this is great news well except for that nasty price drop. Ouch.
Last I heard MGS may not be exclusive to the PS3.
Until the games are on the market it is all just hype.
It is still an improvement for Sony.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830757)

"If you have a PS3 this is great news well except for that nasty price drop. Ouch."

Yeah, poverty sucks. Sorry to hear you're too fucking poor to own the most powerful console. I just drank 100 dollars worth of booze last night. Sorry, clown, I'm not laying awake at night that a console got a price drop.

"Last I heard MGS may not be exclusive to the PS3."

Wow, that is so pathetic. Perhaps you should have actually watched the E3 feed...Idiot.

"Until the games are on the market it is all just hype.
It is still an improvement for Sony."

I'm sure Sony is encouraged that Sony worthless fanboy on Slashdot has something not entirely bad to say about them.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 7 years ago | (#19831241)

"Yeah, poverty sucks. Sorry to hear you're too fucking poor to own the most powerful console. I just drank 100 dollars worth of booze last night. Sorry, clown, I'm not laying awake at night that a console got a price drop."

You sad, sad little person... I can't help it if you wish to flush money down the tubes. I am sure some PS3 user is not all that happy about Sony saying that there would be no price drop and then hello...

As far as your bragging about that $100 worth of booze. I am really happy for you. You know people that have real money don't go around trying to impress anybody.
And as far as fanboy goes...
Have a nice day.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (2, Informative)

TheJerg (1052952) | about 7 years ago | (#19831181)

Last I heard MGS may not be exclusive to the PS3.
So did you actually listen to the folks at the conference say "This game will be PS3 exclusive"? I did. It's the same thing they said last year. Kojima still hasn't released a Metal Gear game for any system not made by Sony or Nintendo. I don't see why he'd change his position now.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (1)

sqlrob (173498) | about 7 years ago | (#19831397)

XBox [gamerankings.com] is made by Sony or Nintendo? News to me.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830715)

I'm interested in becoming a Sony astroturfer, can you tell me how to become one?

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (2, Funny)

feepness (543479) | about 7 years ago | (#19831035)

The utterly insane Killzone footage. The exclusive for PS3 MGS4. The amazing MGS4 trailer with live gameplay coming up soon. Home is looking more and more like the ultimate online system for gamers with the custom spaces for game comapanies, the streaming video, the elegant graphics, the very cool matchmaking and clan stuff. Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Little Big Planet, Folklore, Warhawk, Infamous, SOCOM Absolutely insane lineup. Absolutely insane level of graphics power in the PS3. One of the best E3 conferences ever.
I can't figure out if you're a paid astroturfer by Sony trying to make Sony look good or a paid astroturfer by Microsoft trying to make Sony look bad.

Yes, they had a good show. But keep your frickin' pants on.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831081)

Agreed, Sony definitely stole the show, especially after the somewhat lackluster performance from Microsoft and the utter snooze-inducement crappy casual game BS from Nintendo.

Re:Oh My Fucking God Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831663)

Mate - why do you reply to your own posts? It just looks like you're trying to give the impression of people agreeing with your fan-boi ravings.

Nintendo are going to go HUGE with the Wii-fitness thing - mark my words, its going to be insane the number of consoles they sell on the back of that.

Did anyone see MGS4 Gameplay? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 7 years ago | (#19830293)

Ok, not to sound trollish, but was anyone anywhere playing MGS4? Was there a HUD on screen at any time?

Everything I've seen has been FMV trailers, and though they DO look great... So did the FMV in Final Fantasy VII...

Re:Did anyone see MGS4 Gameplay? (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | about 7 years ago | (#19830415)

Trailer wasn't FMV, it was realtime, in-engine footage. Not gameplay, but its a far cry from pre-rendered FMV. Its the same graphical quality you'd see from gameplay.

Re:Did anyone see MGS4 Gameplay? (1)

Osty (16825) | about 7 years ago | (#19831249)

Trailer wasn't FMV, it was realtime, in-engine footage. Not gameplay, but its a far cry from pre-rendered FMV. Its the same graphical quality you'd see from gameplay.

Just like last year's Killzone2 trailer, right? I'm sorry, but I won't buy that something is "in-engine footage" unless there's somebody in front of the TV who is obviously controlling it. I definitely won't just take Sony's word for it.

Re:Did anyone see MGS4 Gameplay? (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | about 7 years ago | (#19831553)

Oh I'm sure it's "in-engine" footage. The Important Question (TM): What is running the engine?

Re:Did anyone see MGS4 Gameplay? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831625)

The MGS4 trailer is most definitely the in-game engine. No doubt about it whatsoever. And I'd reckon it's the engine actually running in realtime, too - do you reckon the RSX (basically a 7800 GT, so we have a very good idea of its performance) could do that in realtime? I do.

It's not farfetched at all; it's good, with excellent particles and depth of field. I like the shaders on the tarps. And it's got all the little flaws I spot with my 7-series card all the time, and overall the graphics quality reminds me very greatly of MGS3, just in a higher resolution, with higher framerates.

If you have any doubts as to whether it's realtime, just look at the shadows on the beige before Snake lines up his first shot at Liquid. They match the usual shadow artefacts I see on my 7900 GTX precisely; decimated because the shadow buffer resolution is too low, then interpolated via texture filtering. Yup, that'll be real-time.

Besides, Kojima just doesn't pull stunts like that. He's not a dog-and-pony-show kind of guy, and he prefers polygon demos to FMV, because it doesn't seem out of place with the rest of the game's visuals.

Anyway, it looks like a damn good game from what we've seen. Even if Snake's starting to look like his dad. And is that Raiden and Vamp?

I might buy a PS3 for it- ... gah, what'd I just say?! ... *sigh* My wallet is going to hate me for even saying that in its presence... wake me when they announce a bigger price drop.

Re:Did anyone see MGS4 Gameplay? (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | about 7 years ago | (#19831689)

I guess my only response to that is that it simply didn't look good enough to be pre-rendered FMV.

Re:Did anyone see MGS4 Gameplay? (1)

drewmca (611245) | about 7 years ago | (#19831357)

I have no doubt that it was realtime, or that it was MGS gameplay. Because after all, MGS gameplay is pretty much just watching videos. At least it's more involved than two heads.

My Thoughts from E3 (0, Troll)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | about 7 years ago | (#19830299)

The new slim PSP is awesome. The bundle with the new PSP + 1 GB memory stick + a game + several UMD movies in an extraordinary value. Additional features on PSP are cool, basically TV out on your PSP. They said the new PSP is something like 33% lighter and 25% thinner, unfortunately it will be 100% less hackable too. Not too excited about the 80GB PS3, I think the 60 GB PS3 priced at $499 is a better value.

Home looks great, everything I hoped it would be. It's a full-featured virtual MMO world with tons of new social networking features. I predict home will replace the normal "launch game" interface of the PS3, launching your games in a 3D virtual world is so much cooler than just using a menu.

PS3 -- GAMES, GAMES and MORE GAMES. That phrase was repeated twice, and it's true. FIFTEEN first-party exclusives coming out for PS3 before the end of the fiscal year and more third party exclusives. 150 Blu-Ray games out for PS3 by the end of the year in North America. Obviously we're going to see a large number of titles launch in the next five months. All the games presented looked good, some looked AMAZING. Gran Turismo - WOW. It was like watching a real car race. MGS4 - the LAST game of the Metal Gear series. Also looks awesome. Little Big Planet is something we've never seen from a video game before. And don't forget KILLZONE 2. Just AMAZING. Graphics were off the chart. I can't describe how awesome Killzone 2 looked, you have to see for yourself. Wow just wow.

Overall it was an awesome presentation by Sony. They presented what I wanted to see which was GAMES. Way better than the boring Nintendo presentation with spreadsheets and graphs and NO GAMES. I especially liked the Kaz "Riiiiidge Racer" joke, shows these guys have a sense of humor. Congrats on a great E3 Sony.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (2, Informative)

physicsnick (1031656) | about 7 years ago | (#19830531)

The bundle with the PSP doesn't contain any UMD movies; it comes with the Family Guy Freakin' Sweet Collection [amazon.com] , which is just five episodes (mind you, the best five episodes of the first three seasons.) It also comes with Daxter and a 1 GB memory stick.

The most exciting announcement about the entire conference for me was the new PSP's TV-out feature. I was disappointed that it didn't have TV-out on release several years ago, and I am very excited about it now. It's finally like a portable console, and the portability is finally a reason to actually buy UMD content. It's one of the things that is making me consider getting one someday, and the $199 bundle does seem like a great deal.

Also, Echochrome looks totally awesome. If I don't play that game soon, I think I might die.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (1, Troll)

John Fulmer (5840) | about 7 years ago | (#19830573)

Somebody must have bought some Sony stock.... 'investorelite' indeed.

*Sigh* The astroturf is getting mighty tall these days.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831185)

Yeah, ok... If the post was all bubbling about new Nintendo products, the guy would have gotten modded up and people would be cheering him on. But because it's Sony, he's modded down and called an astroturfer.

This shit happens WAY too often around here.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831559)

"But because it's Sony, he's modded down and called an astroturfer."

Look at his post history. Nothing but repackaged Sony press releases.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (1)

CyberLord Seven (525173) | about 7 years ago | (#19830619)

Have you ever actually watched a movie on your PSP?

I'm not trolling or anything, just curious. I have two UMD movies: Spider-man 2, came with my PSP, and Blade was a gift. I love both movies and have them on DVD where I've watched them many times.

I have tried to watch them on my PSP. Never got more than a half-hour into either before I shut it down.

Has anyone ever managed to watch an entire movie on a PSP?

Maybe I'm watching the wrong type of movie for that small screen.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (1)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | about 7 years ago | (#19830711)

I occasionally watch downloaded videos on my PSP when I'm on an airplane. I'm not thrilled about UMD movies, but I sure would have bought a UMD movie + PSP game + 1GB memory stick + a PSP for $200 instead of buying just a PSP for $170.

Obviously watching a movie on your PSP won't be as great as watching at home. I think Sony needs to cut the price of their UMD movies a bit to reflect this.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (5, Interesting)

feepness (543479) | about 7 years ago | (#19830899)

Have you ever actually watched a movie on your PSP?

I've watched hundred of hours of movies and TV shows on my PSP.

Air travel + PSP + movies (on a memory stick) = Heaven.

No need for a laptop in your carryon means you can "sail" through security. The instant on/off is wonderful as well. You can use it while actually standing in line. One 4Gig stick will hold an entire season of a television show plus a movie or two.

You get good battery life (a little under three hours) because it's not hitting the UMD, but for longer flights you can get: a USB battery box [thinkgeek.com] and a USB charging cable. It will suck down batteries (but this setup allows the brightest screen mode) but work like a charm. I went through 16 AA's on a 24 hour flight once.

Oh yeah, I also rest it on the treadmill in front of me while running. I've lost 10 pounds when I never had the patience before. No physical media = no skipping.

I just kick myself for waiting a year to get one. It is by far the best video player available and Sony has marketed it INCREDIBLY poorly.

Never played a UMD though. Those are a waste of money IMO.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (0, Troll)

crabpeople (720852) | about 7 years ago | (#19831369)

"Air travel + PSP + movies (on a memory stick) = Heaven."

Well except for your stated 3 hour battery life (my laptop has 5-6 when watching movies), and the small ass screen you have to watch it on. But yeah i guess you found the one use for a psp. Too bad more people don't take long flights and enjoy squinting or it would really take off!

"I just kick myself for waiting a year to get one."

I dont see why. Craigslist has tonnes of them fully loaded for 150-200. Didnt it retail for double that a year ago?

"Sony has marketed it INCREDIBLY poorly."

I can see the ad now, something to do with mr magoo, living in an airport, with a sac of double A batteries.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (1)

feepness (543479) | about 7 years ago | (#19831461)

Chuckle. Nice editing.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | about 7 years ago | (#19831661)

I know I'm nitpicking, but memory sticks are physical media...I think you meant to say no moving parts = no skipping. Just couldn't resist. You made some good points though.

Re:My Thoughts from E3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831717)

The only problem with using the PSP as a video player is that it only supports a single video format: MPEG-4.

http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/PSP/Movies/s _psp_mv_CF.html [playstation.com]

Unless you are encoding your own content everything on a.b.tv and on torrent sites uses Xvid so you are stuck re-encoding every single piece of content.

MOD Parent Up? (1)

Square Snow Man (985909) | about 7 years ago | (#19831179)

This is just retarded, who is modding this guy flamebait and troll? Talk about abusing your mod points >_>;

MOD PARENT UP +1 insightful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831329)

Seriously why is this modded down as troll? This really is Nintendot isn't it.

How did Cowboy Neil's surgury go? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830311)

Gastric bypass successful? Is he still a lard hog?

Pics of the new PSP (4, Informative)

blackmonday (607916) | about 7 years ago | (#19830329)

Engadget has the photos [engadget.com] . It doesn't look that much thinner to me.

Re:Pics of the new PSP (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | about 7 years ago | (#19830481)

Thanks, I was looking for pics. Yeah doesn't look too much thinner to me either, but every little bit helps I guess. The tv-out is... well it probably won't get much use, but its definitely a neat addition. I already own a PSP so I won't be buying a new one, but for what it is, a portable system, good for traveling and just quick games; I love mine.

Re: NEW PSP has a TV out? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 7 years ago | (#19830663)

Thanks, I was looking for pics. Yeah doesn't look too much thinner to me either, but every little bit helps I guess. The tv-out is... well it probably won't get much use, but its definitely a neat addition.

Actually I think it's a great idea, however the link in the parent article does say how they do it. The linked Article says:

"It will also come with the ability to output high-quality video by pressing the display button. This means that movies, games, photos, and all other PSP applications can be output to a TV screen."

So does this mean there are TV out ports (or a proprietary connector) to the PSP that connects to a TV VIA Composite, component, S-Video... or does it stream content to a PS3 and play on the screen?

Re: NEW PSP has a TV out? (1)

feepness (543479) | about 7 years ago | (#19831305)

So does this mean there are TV out ports (or a proprietary connector) to the PSP that connects to a TV VIA Composite, component, S-Video... or does it stream content to a PS3 and play on the screen?

From reading the announcement it LOOKS like the answer is TV out, unless there is an extra PS3 he's not mentioning:

11:49AM PDT - "You can control what you're seeing, I'll pause it, get rid of the menu, etc. If you want the video back on your PSP, push the display button again and it's back on your PSP. You can play games, videos, show photos, all of that on a tv screen or your PSP. With DLNA, you can also access the files on your PC at home via your PSP. This sparks the imagination, and encourages developers and players alike to think beyond the norm." We envision a bizarre future world where we stream computer video to the PS3 to the PSP over RemotePlay and then video output to a friend's HDTV. Sure, we'll only use this feature once ... but it's cool nevertheless. "As you can see it comes in piano black, but there are some additional colors that are coming to North America, which Jack will show off in a moment."
(yes, you can access your PS3 from a remote location using your PSP).

Re:Pics of the new PSP (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 7 years ago | (#19830509)

It's meant to be 1/5th thinner or so which isn't much. I think more important is the weight reduction which means the new model is 2/3rds the weight of the old one. How they're chopping the weight I don't know, but probably by simplifying the UMD mechanism and possibly the battery as well. The Engadget screenshots suggest the slight bulge at the back that housed the battery has gone, meaning this may well be how they cut some of the weight & volume.

I was expecting something far more radical to be honest. It has some neat touches such as a video out, USB charging, and UMD caching, but it's more incremental than revolutionary.

Re:Pics of the new PSP (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 years ago | (#19830987)

Nope,in fact it looks exactly like the PSP I got my daughter that I imported from Japan 2 christmas's ago.

Re:Pics of the new PSP (4, Funny)

LordVader717 (888547) | about 7 years ago | (#19831405)

You imported a daughter from Japan? I knew Thai girls were going cheap, but this is intriguing. Do you have a link to the online shop?

Exclusives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830357)

Be it exclusive or timed exclusive, those are some pretty big titles.

Hmph. (1)

A.S.Riley (921942) | about 7 years ago | (#19830387)

I was extremely disappointed that the hot chicks from the square never came over to have the turkey burgers.

It's Like The PS3 Is A Whole Gen Ahead (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830409)

I've been to many E3s and watched coverage of everyone since the first. Never has there been this big of a leap in graphics from one console company as Sony just showed with the PS3.

Sony's first party stuff is just mindboggling good.

Microsoft looked absolutely pathetic with the same old last gen looking Halo stuff. EARTH TO BUNGIE! NO ONE IS IMPRESSED WITH BRIGHT LIGHTS ON SHINY METAL ANYMORE! Other than a couple of crossplatform titles with Call of Duty 4 and Assasin's Creed, Microsoft is forcing 360 owners to sound like Wii owners with talk about "we don't care about graphics, just gameplay"

Re:It's Like The PS3 Is A Whole Gen Ahead (1)

aweiland (237773) | about 7 years ago | (#19830519)

I don't think you seem to be watching the same thing the rest of us have. KZ2 is on par with GoW. Halo 3 has seen a graphics bump since beta. And FYI, gameplay makes or breaks a game, not graphics.

Re:It's Like The PS3 Is A Whole Gen Ahead (1)

Comen (321331) | about 7 years ago | (#19830821)

Personaly I did not think KZ2 was on par with GoW, but that might just be me, GOW is hard to beat.

AWESOME! (1)

zegota (1105649) | about 7 years ago | (#19830441)

...as long as you're interested in FPSs, FPSs, and more FPSs (with some racing!)

But..... (4, Funny)

cstdenis (1118589) | about 7 years ago | (#19830477)

Will it blend?

Sony is a bunch of idiots (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830505)

Why doesn't the PSP have a HDD??

Why doesn't the PSP have a much higher res screen by now (at least 800 px wide)?

Why don't their mid to high end HDTV's come with the PS3 and DVR capability integrated?

Sony can't innovate.

And this is interesting, why? (-1, Troll)

sehlat (180760) | about 7 years ago | (#19830513)

Given the Sony rootkit(tm) I will never again willingly give them a dime. So can somebody please explain why this is supposed to be a: interesting and b: relevant?

Thank you.

Re:And this is interesting, why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830565)

Because world != you. That is all.

No rootkit, but still no Sony love... (2, Insightful)

Baron von Pilsner (1115373) | about 7 years ago | (#19830761)

I didn't get the special Sony rootkit software they were offering, but I've had plenty of problems with their products and support (.. if it's still under warranty, why do I have to pay for repairs?)

I also have no plans to give Sony any money either, what's the opposite of a Sony fanboy?

Re:No rootkit, but still no Sony love... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831493)

what's the opposite of a Sony fanboy?

A douchebag

Sony BMG != Sony Computer Entertainment (4, Insightful)

Square Snow Man (985909) | about 7 years ago | (#19830897)

Title says all, unless you don't know what operator != means.

Light at the End of the Tunnle (4, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | about 7 years ago | (#19830527)

I think that this year's E3 was exactly what Sony needed last year. Overall I think they showed off plenty of eye candy and a few exclusives that should help to drive sales in the coming months. The only problem is that many of these key games (MGS4 in particular) won't be coming until after the holiday season. A lot of the media and public opinion is that Sony is failing and a big holiday season for them would help to dispell some of those doubts.

What I liked most about their conference is that they focused on showcasing the games coming out on their system instead of talking about sales figures and statistics (After watching the first fifteen minutes of the Nintendo conference, I was about ready for a nap). I suppose most of that stems from not having a lot of good news on that front. I don't mind a little bit of business, but I'm really more interested in seeing the games.

Depending on how things turn out over the next few months and other games that Sony manages to add to the PS3, I might almost consider buying one now that they've dropped the price a little bit. Hopefully I'll get to learn a little more about some of the games being released before the holidays to see if it's worth purchasing one of them. It also seems as though they've done a lot to revitalize the PSP, which is also a lot more appealing.

Overall I think that they should've given me a more compelling reason to puchase one of these during the holiday season or right now, but I think with the recent price drop and some of the good news from E3 that sales should pick up a little in the following weeks. If nothing else at least Sony has managed to pull its head out of its ass and get back on the right track. They still might end up like Nintendo during the GameCube era where they didn't receive a lot of support. They've still got a lot of leg work to prove to the rest of the world that they're a major contender.

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830689)

"They still might end up like Nintendo during the GameCube era where they didn't receive a lot of support. They've still got a lot of leg work to prove to the rest of the world that they're a major contender."

I know this was nothing more than a combination sincere and mild troll post, but when you make absolutely absurd assertions like that at the end...

The PS3 has every single game/franchise that the 110-120 million selling PS2 had. With the exception of that flight sim game. Every single game company that was making games for the PS2 is making games for the PS3. And on top of all that, Sony has a vastly larger first party library of developers this gen.

So, yeah, I'm sure they appreciate your sympathy for 'poor little Sony' and are warmed by your confidence that they might be 'a major contender'.

But, guy, get a fucking clue. Do you honestly believe the crap you just wrote?

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (-1, Flamebait)

ShibaInu (694434) | about 7 years ago | (#19830845)

That Sony needs to flood Slashdot with turfers like you just to generate some PR seems a good indication that they aren't doing that well. Maybe they are doing great, but I think both the PS3 and PSP have not sold like they expected.

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (1)

alvinrod (889928) | about 7 years ago | (#19831055)

Funny that someone else read my post and decided to call me a Sony basher. I just call 'em like I see them.

Why does everyone seem to assume that if you have something nice to say about a company that you're obviously taking money from them to spread good news about the company?

Obviously the PS3 and PSP haven't done as well as Sony had hoped, which is why they've obviously cut the price on the PS3 so early in the consoles life cycle.

I've only been suggesting that they're not as doomed as everyone seems to think they are. There are a lot of people who seem to like to slam the PS3 just because it's made by Sony, the same company involved in the rootkit fiasco. The same goes almost double for Microsoft and a lot of the Xbox 360 hate that gets spread around on Slashdot and other sites like Digg. Just because I'm not joining in the two minutes hate like everyone else doesn't make me a shill.

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (2, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | about 7 years ago | (#19830875)

And just yesterday I was called a Sony shill.

Do I think Sony will flop? No, I think that they'll do fine, but there's a pervasive belief in the media and a lot of people that the PS3 is doing horribly and is going to fail. It's almost contagous in that it's causing companies like Konami to debate the exclusivity of the MGS4 and has caused Sony to lose a lot of exclusives. It's a snowball effect, really.

The PS3 might many of the same games that made the PS2 so popular, but guess what, so does Microsoft this time around. Last time around the block GTA hit the PS2 first, now it's going to be on the 360 the exact same time. The only difference is that Microsoft will be seeing some exclusive content that the PS3 won't.

Go ahead and take a look at what happened to Nintendo. The Nintendo 64 had a lot of the games that made the SNES great and the GameCube had an arguably better array of games than the Nintendo 64, but they lost market share to the point that many people were questioning how long until they pulled out of the hardware business like Sega did. I thought this was a load as much as I think most of the current FUD against Sony is, but it's out there.

The industry can be pretty unforgiving. Just look at the gutted corpses that are Sega and Atari and it's not too unreasonable to suggest that if the market perceives them as a failure, they just might actually fail. Sony doesn't have to convince me that they'll do ok, but they do have to convince a lot of other people that they'll be around for the next generation.

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831187)

"The PS3 might many of the same games that made the PS2 so popular,"

Listen pinhead I will explain it nice and slowly to you:

THE PS3 HAS VIRTUALLY THE EXACT SAME LIBRARY OF GAMES AS THE PS2.

Read that nice and slow. Put it on a sticky on your monitor and save yourself from sounding like an idiot in the future.

The fact that you are wrapping your bullshit in an air of 'golly I'm just some guy who is telling it like it is' doesn't make it any less bullshit.

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | about 7 years ago | (#19831443)

THE PS3 HAS VIRTUALLY THE EXACT SAME LIBRARY OF GAMES AS THE PS2.


So why buy a PS3 when I can buy a cheaper PS2? I mean, it's the exact same library of games right?

More seriously, give the PS3 some credit. Not even hardcore gamers want the exact same games they had last generation. Sony showed off some new games that weren't ever in any incarnation on the PS2. Also, realize that even if the PS3's library is analogous to the past the libraries of its competitors aren't.

It's a mistake to think that what worked yesterday is going to work today. There's a reason why animals like the Panda are endangered and Raccoons flourish. If you don't adapt and broaden horizens you go extinct.

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | about 7 years ago | (#19830939)

Katamari just left. Dragon Quest left too. Many of their other past exclusives are going multi-platform. The Wii is outselling the PS3 6:1 month to month in Japan, 4:1 month to month in America. Third parties are scrambling to hedge their bets, because Sony is already a distant third.

I don't know what you have been reading, but so far Sony is in a nosedive this generation.

Re:Light at the End of the Tunnle (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831093)

Bwhahaa..yeah Katamari. Oh dear!

The real DQ is on its way for the PS3 late next year. The current version was just a quick way to make a buck off the handheld crowd while the next console gen gets up and running. Sorry!

"Third parties are scrambling to hedge their bets, because Sony is already a distant third."

Yeah, I guess you dimwitted fanboys think if you keep repeating that it will become true just like that bullshit about MGS4 coming out with a downgraded 360 port.

Suck it you fucking little bitch. Sony just made you their bitch with this E3 conference.

Can Anyone Explain How PS3 Games Look This Good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830541)

After reading for whole year about the PS3 and 360 on places like beyond3d I was under the impression that the two systems were about equal in graphics power. After this E3 all that talk turned out to be nothing but fanboy bullshit. Unless Microsoft has some hidden gems they have yet to reveal it's obvious that the PS3 completely destroys the 360 in graphics.

Can anyone explain how the PS3 is this powerful?

Re:Can Anyone Explain How PS3 Games Look This Good (0, Flamebait)

grenz (969305) | about 7 years ago | (#19830825)

Can anyone explain how the PS3 is this powerful?

Fanboy Goggles. Once you take them off you'll see it differently.

Re:Can Anyone Explain How PS3 Games Look This Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830885)

LOL, Gotta love these Xbots!!

"I am 100% right and anyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill."

Re:Can Anyone Explain How PS3 Games Look This Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830997)

Right...

And you've got the evidence to prove the Xbox 360's power:

* PGR bogus 'photomode pics'
* Forza bogus 'photomode pics'
* Gears of War bogus 'in game renderings'
* Mass Effect bogus 'in game renderings'

Right fanboy?

The 360 is a fucking graphical disaster.

Re:Can Anyone Explain How PS3 Games Look This Good (5, Interesting)

jonabbey (2498) | about 7 years ago | (#19831727)

The first and more important fact is that the hardware is powerful enough on both the 360 and the PS3 that you can get more payback for good artistic direction and heavy technical investment than ever before. The 360 and the PS3 will both respond very nicely to extravagantly expensive development budgets, and the skill of the developers and artists working on the average game will probably make much more difference in the quality of the results than any differences between the hardware will.

That said, and while the 360's graphics chip is probably superior to the PS3's, the PS3 was designed to have the Cell and RSX working together in a very close fashion. Killzone 2 is being developed with a deferred renderer, in which the Cell can overlay lighting calculations on top of the rendered polygons, rather than having all of that be always done with the RSX. Lair is using the Cell to do dynamic winnowing down of the in-game geometry to present only the essential data to RSX, while continuing to animate everything with high fidelity. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is using Cell to do very ambitious dynamic animation blending on the main characters.

Between Cell and RSX, you can do awful lot on PS3, but you have to develop the games for it, and the kind of distributed programming required to harness 8 distributed processing cores (1 PPU, 6 SPU, 1 RSX) takes a lot of time and money to do, and straightforward ports from 360-style DirectX games won't necessarily show what the PS3 can really do to best advantage.

The PS3 has another advantage with the Blu-Ray disc, as it has over 5 times more on-disc storage than the 360 has (though at the cost of a reduced maximum transfer speed). That can help allow for more extravagant level budgets, especially in titles that support streaming audio and graphics loading.

The bottom line is, we've not begun to see the best of what either the 360 or the PS3 will be capable of. The good news is that Sony is making a big enough push that they might get enough purchasers of their console that the budgets will have a chance to continue to be there to make these amazing games.

2008 (3, Insightful)

dunezone (899268) | about 7 years ago | (#19830609)

Did anyone else notice that everything that looked amazing had 2008 attached to it? And everything that looked with par with the 360 had 2007 attached to it?

I mean its great they finally showed off some potential but slapping 2008 on it all doesn't give me much confidence to go out and buy the console today or even this holiday season.

unofficial poll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19830725)

You can have mouthsecks or boobsecks with a. With b you get poopsecks and regularsecks, and an ugly mouth.

choose

About time.. (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | about 7 years ago | (#19830819)

I always said that if they added a tv out i would probably pick one up, the 5g ipod had tv out and was released at the same time. The only argument against a tv out was that it might impact ps2 sales (since a lot of psp games are ps2 ports) but if you have a tv out the psp becomes a fairly high spec portable media machine, thats how most people will use it I think.

UMD: Sony's Universe vs Our Discs (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 7 years ago | (#19830883)

Does the new PSP still use the orwellian-named Universal Media Disc [wikipedia.org] ", that is compatible with nothing but the original PSP? The UMD for which there is no way for anyone but Sony to burn a disc? Or maybe they've got a miniBlu-Ray, which would be a lot cooler.

Different meaning of "Universal" (1)

Moraelin (679338) | about 7 years ago | (#19831497)

It's a different meaning of "universal". It's not "universal" as in "every device ever made will read and write it", but "universal" as in "we can store games _and_ movies on it and god knows what other digital stuff we'll think about later."

Not saying you should necessarily get one, just clarifying why the name.

And, no, there's nothing Orwellian about it. Some words simply have more than one meaning, surprising as that may seem. Same, if you will, as F/OSS fans will write all over the place about the difference between "free as in beer" and "free as in speech". That's another word whose meanings aren't even vaguely related to each other.

heyho (3, Insightful)

apodyopsis (1048476) | about 7 years ago | (#19830889)

I can hear the 360 brigade and MS fan boys warming up on this thread. whooosh.

I have a PS3, I got it on day one, I love it, Resistance is a fabulous game.

Yes there are not as many games, yes it costs more - but for fucks sake it's a blu-ray player! not some piddly DVD player. At the time I got the PS3 I could not get a blu-ray player for that money. I like the machine, the geek in me admires the Cell technology. And I feel that strongly that Sony are getting a rough ride from a bunch a script kiddies and annoying teenagers. There I said it.

Sony are trying to run a business, not gain a foothold with massive loss making subsidies and oppressive leverage. I'm not saying that what MS is doing is wrong after all they are trying to run a business - but that does not mean I admire them for their business tactics.

-------

Having said that, in a few months I'll be getting a 360 for Halo 3, which looks to be a fabulous game!

Re:heyho (0, Offtopic)

AP2k (991160) | about 7 years ago | (#19831111)

And here I am with no mod points....

Re:heyho (4, Insightful)

ALeavitt (636946) | about 7 years ago | (#19831123)

If Sony had wanted to release a game console, they could have done it. Nintendo clearly did. Instead, Sony wanted to release an entertainment unit for the living room. They didn't focus on games, and blu-ray doesn't have enough of a market yet to justify the R&D and advertising behind the PS3. If Sony had just concentrated on getting good games out early in the lifespan of the console they would never be in this mess. Now they need to scramble to get games out before the console completely sinks. It's great that you like your blu-ray player and that you like Resistance, but a generic first-person shooter and a high-def media player aren't enough to compensate for the lack of FUN.

Re:heyho (4, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | about 7 years ago | (#19831233)

I'm glad that you like your PS3, I'm sure many people who own one have enjoyed it. But even if resistance is a great game, it's only one game, and if Sony wants $500-600 just for the console, then they're going to have to woo me with a large number of great games, or at least a handful of absolutely incredible ones.

It's also awesome that you're happy with Blu-ray, but there's plenty of evidence both in what people saying and what people are buying that shows that most people aren't particularly compelled by it(nor by HD-DVD). I don't know if it's fair to say I'm angry with Sony for pushing it so hard, but as an individual who has no-use for a Blu-ray player right now, I do think it's kind of disappointing that I'd be required to pay for one in order to play PS3 games.

Sony is getting a rough ride from all sorts of people, because they created a product that doesn't fit the market as well as they thought, they priced it well beyond what most of the market considered reasonable for a game console, and in all honesty, their executives were kind of dicks about the whole thing whenever they said anything. They fell into the same complacent trap that Nintendo did back in the day, so sure of their dominance that they could push whatever they wanted onto the consumer.

It took Nintendo a little while to get back on track, but they have, and as a result, we've got some pretty different and interesting gaming systems available. I think that not only has Sony earned some of the ire they've seen, but in the long run it will be good for the gaming industry. Even if the PS3 ends up a failure, I don't think Sony will abandon the industry, they'll hopefully take a fresh look at it, and rebuild their glory days.

Amazing! (2, Insightful)

seebs (15766) | about 7 years ago | (#19830893)

Sales are up after a price drop!

So. The real question is this: How much higher will they be a month or so AFTER the price drop?

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19831273)

Don't forget, their "price-cut" that's not a price-cut (you couldn't get a PS3 for cheaper than $499 at launch, and that's the same today, you just get more) occured when? In July. The WORST MONTH OF THE YEAR for video game sales. Their increase in sales from the announcement will increase sales - but if they had made the announcement at another time, the increase would have been even bigger. I don't know if it's an attempt to hide the pseudo-cut, or if it's desperation.

User generated content (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 7 years ago | (#19830961)

The thing that excites me as a gamer, is that Sony seems to have embraced the idea of user generated content - from the ability to use user created levels in UT, to being able to create an share user generated levels in Little Big Planet, basically a cushy physics simulator.

In the link that led to talking about user generated content being less certain on the 360, that's because it would have to go through Live and Microsoft still has not worked out what they want to do there. They may yet also allow substantial user content, they just haven't done so to date with the fervor Sony has.

NCsoft? (2, Interesting)

clragon (923326) | about 7 years ago | (#19831321)

I Wonder, why is NCsoft [ncsoft.com] a "heavy backer" for the PS3? So far they've mostly released MMORPGs for the PC...

Re:NCsoft? (4, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 7 years ago | (#19831513)

I Wonder, why is NCsoft a "heavy backer" for the PS3?

Perhaps all their staff are morbidly obese?

Re:NCsoft? (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | about 7 years ago | (#19831557)

They've become second party to Sony, in other words they've basically been bought out.

Killzone 2 (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 7 years ago | (#19831421)

I must admit, when I saw the CGI trailer last year I was very skeptical about whether or not they could get anywhere near it.

It's very rare that I'll watch a trailer for something with my mouth half open. The Transformers trailer and the Killzone 2 trailer had this effect on me.

I think I've watched it 5 times now and I still don't believe it's realtime, even though it is*

*it is realtime, isn't it?

Impressive and unimpressive (2, Interesting)

MeanderingMind (884641) | about 7 years ago | (#19831521)

Sony impressed me and also failed to impress me.

PS3: Impressive. I'm glad to see they're able to showcase a lot of high class games as well as a number that are reaching out to a broader crowd. Things may take off for this system yet, though I doubt its possible for it to gain enough momentum to dominate this generation. It would at least break previous precidents if it did.

PSP: Unimpressive. I feel like Sony is trying to copy the DS Lite without understanding why the DS Lite did well. The DS Phat's key dimensional problem was its depth. There were a number of pockets incapable of holding one, and to boot it was relatively heavy. The DS Lite improved on all of these, while looking simultaneously much sleeker. The new PSP is hard to distinguish from its predecessor, which was sleek to begin with. I'll be very surprised is this causes any long-term changes in PSP sales.

The real point of the PSP (3, Interesting)

darkhitman (939662) | about 7 years ago | (#19831719)

Recently, I've found that the real value of the PSP is in its non-UMD power.... namely, being able to emulate the NES, the Playstation and everything inbetween :P

The movie thing is cool too, I guess... but emulating actually good games makes up for the lack of such titles in UMD format.
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