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Live GTAIV Demo Dominates Take Two E3 Event

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the no-flavour-without-gunfire dept.

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The Take Two event was dominated by a live demonstration of Grand Theft Auto IV . Though little more than jacking a car and a bit of driving was shown, it seemed to make an impression on journalists at the event. Other titles shown at the conference include Civilization Revolutions, Bioshock, and All-Pro Football 2K8. From Joystiq's take on the GTA demo: "Two Rockstar devs take the stage. The music is a placeholder, so they ask that we not mention it. They've never shown a game to an audience this large before it's release. They remind us that it's a work in progress, so we'll be nice. Something tells us it will impress regardless. The titles shares all key players from earlier GTA games. This consistency should ensure that the title meets expectations. With GTAIV, they're looking to "create the defining next generation action adventure." They show Niko starting in Star Juntion (Times Square). This is not a rags to riches story, 'it's a rags to slightly better rags story.'"

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In other words.. (4, Funny)

nlitement (1098451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841137)

Grand Theft Auto hijacked the event.

Re:In other words.. (1)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841297)

or did it shoot down the competition!?

Re:In other words.. (2, Funny)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 7 years ago | (#19842271)

or did it shoot down the competition!?
Nope, it just came in for some hot coffee.

Que Jack Thompson protest now (0)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841145)

So whats the over/under on Thompson releasing a press announcement before the week is up?

Re:Que Jack Thompson protest now (4, Informative)

nlitement (1098451) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841199)

From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] :

On 20 April 2007, both parties reached a settlement and agreed to drop their respective lawsuits. Under the terms of the settlement Thompson is barred from suing to block the sale or distribution of any future games published by Take Two Interactive or any of its subsidiaries. He will be restricted to communicating through Take Two Interactive's attorneys on any future matters. Thompson will still be able to maintain his outspoken stance against the publisher's titles, as well as still being allowed to act as counsel in lawsuits brought against Take Two Interactive by other parties.

Re:Que Jack Thompson protest now (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841207)

50% regardless, 65% if anyone in the country is killed by a mobster or crazy driver in the next day or so, 85% if the aforementioned killing has any video footage, and 100% if any of the journalists who saw the demo run over a prostitute on their way home.

Re:Que Jack Thompson protest now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19841351)

you mean "Cue"

From your friendly neighborhood grammar nazi!

Re:Que Jack Thompson protest now (3, Funny)

hc5duke (930493) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841593)

Qué?

Re:Que Jack Thompson protest now (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#19843291)

my cats name

The whole spectrum (2, Interesting)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841229)

Wow, from Sid Meier to Bioshock to Grand Theft Auto, all in one hour. Quite the lineup. Seems like this was the conference to attend to see the games in action.

Yesh (1)

ZachMG (1122511) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841263)

cant wait for it, im almost to the point of actually going out and running people over if i cant get my fix soon *waits for police to knock on door*

Re:Yesh (1)

kc2keo (694222) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841625)

I can't wait for this to get released either. I try not to think about it so time goes faster. But this game looks so awesome!

Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Shit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19841343)

There are too many other fantastic next gen games coming out over the next year to care about a game that the company themselves are admitting is downgraded to support the worst possible console - the harddrive-less Core Xbox 360 with only a 7 gigabyte DVD drive.

Rockstar you decided to sell out and make gamers suffer with a downgraded game. PC and PS3 users aren't going to put up with a crappy game that is downgraded to run on the 360.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841811)

You mean like most game manufacturers "downgrade" games to work on PCs with less than the best hardware?

Oh, wait...

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

Scottoest (1081663) | more than 7 years ago | (#19842069)

*slow clap*

This man is going to grow up to one day save the world.

Psst.. might want to see the stories posted by websites like Gamespot, showing that PS3 graphics are actually not that much better, and in some cases are worse, than the XBOX 360 ones. Whether this is due to the PS3's newness or not is open for debate, but Rockstar is just as new to the Cell as any other 3rd party developer.

Storage is a valid concern, but Blu-Ray discs access slower than DVD's as a result, so there is a trade-off. This game is taking place in an urban environment, not jungles, and rainbows, and the moon - I don't think limited texture storage is going to be that much of a killer, bud.

- Scott

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19842325)

but Blu-Ray discs access slower than DVD's
I've been seeing this comment all over /. lately. While that may be the case, developers know that they can cache to the hard drive which more than makes up for any lack of read speed, which isn't always the case on other consoles...

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

Scottoest (1081663) | more than 7 years ago | (#19842413)

AFAIK though, Rockstar has the ability to make the game require the 360 HDD, as long as they mention it on the package. I know when I purchased Splinter Cell: Double Agent, it had a sticker advising that the game required the hard drive.

In the event I am wrong though, the second half of that paragraph still applies.

I do wish more game makers would make the HDD standard for the their games though.

- Scott

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19844135)

I'm pretty sure that MS requires games to be able to be played without a HD (I dont care enough to try and find proof). Although they do clearly state that if you want to play online or play old games you need one.

I thought that the HD in the original xbox was a great idea and it made absolutely no sense whatsoever to offer a new console without one. I mean really, they couldn't put a 20 gig HD in the basic system and just make all the developers lives a little easier.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

Scottoest (1081663) | more than 7 years ago | (#19844295)

I actually think it's quite smart.

They give people the choice to add whatever options they want to their console (ie. HD-DVD, HDD, Wireless G), and keep the price down. If they later decide they want to use the hard drive to speed things up, they can just give developers the OK to require the HDD for some of their games.

The modular design of the XBOX 360 was a wise decision, I think.

Either way, the parent post is some horribly uninformed vitriol. Holding Rockstar in contempt for making their game multiplatform is ridiculous, simply because the other platform's hardware isn't quite as great. By that logic, he should have been furious that they made previous GTA's for the PS2, since the XBOX's hardware was far superior.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19842525)

The BluRay drive in the PS3 is faster than the old DVD drive in the 360. CAV vs CLV blah,blah,blah its been written about countless times but the Xbots keep trying to pass off the same old bogus information.

What is worse for the old DVD drive int the 360 is it has a 100 ms seek penalty for going from one layer to another that BluRay drives don't have. So that means for a free roaming game like GTAIV you are limited to putting all your game data on just one layer - for the 360 that mean about 3.5 gigs per layer.

Ain't that great? Thanks Microsoft!

An entire free roaming next gen game has to be shoehorned into the that space. If Rockstar wasn't forced to support the shitty 360 the PS3 could have 25 or 50 gigs of world data plus a good 5 to 10 gigs of harddrive space and the pc version could take up as much space as they wanted to on people's drives.

Microsoft sucks so bad this generation that they not only are ruining next gen for the tiny Xbox demographic they are now ruining things for everyone.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19842901)

Oh jeez, I don't even know where to start... Sony consistently ruining games for the PS2 was never a problem for people, so why would a problem that's not really that great make people flip out like you are?
Dreamcast had 60hz on EVERY GAME in Europe and PS2 completely rejected proper refresh rate for YEARS without people complaining like this. Resident Evil 4 got reduced to shit when it got converted from Gamecube, and so did many other games that were multi-format directly. PS2 was consistently and obviously worse than the other systems of the same generation, and yet the Sony fanbois warped that into "PS2 is actually more powerful than the Xbox and Gamecube, it's just hard to program for" every damn time. The same damn thing is gonna happen with the PS3. Completely ignore the facts, and just spout off whatever garbage you saw on that message board dedicated to Sony worship. Now the rest of us can wait and see which goddamn game actually looks and plays better, and you can go back to your fanboi wank session.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19843005)

Will you fucking Dreamcast freaks do the gaming world a favor and just fucking die? The world was sick of you pathetic fucks years ago. Go hang with Amiga losers and all the other dead platform fucks.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19843071)

Okay, I know you're a troll, but I'll be nice and correct you. I'm not a fan of the Dreamcast, I don't have one and I don't know anyone who has one. I'm talking about a basic feature that every other console of the PS2 generation had, and even the Dreamcast which no one counts as the same generation had that feature. Of course if you think "fuck Europe," it doesn't matter to you. It's still relevant to my point, that people weren't whining as much as you are even when Sony was doing FAR worse things to the games they played.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19843065)

Hahaha you're cute. You enjoy watching your PS3 fold proteins while I play games over here.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (2, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19843075)

but Blu-Ray discs access slower than DVD's

I've been seeing this comment all over /. lately. While that may be the case, developers know that they can cache to the hard drive which more than makes up for any lack of read speed, which isn't always the case on other consoles...

This is also why many PS3 games require multi-gig installs. Personally, I'm not a fan of that approach.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19843191)

No PS3 game 'requires multi-gig installs' dimwit.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19844149)

Care to offer any examples? I've played quite a few games and have yet to have one install anything on the HD. Now if you go online and get the updates it puts it on the HD, but not right out of the box. Caching is not the same as installing.

Re: PS3 Hard drive installs. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#19848011)

Care to offer any examples? I've played quite a few games and have yet to have one install anything on the HD. Now if you go online and get the updates it puts it on the HD, but not right out of the box. Caching is not the same as installing.

When Penny arcade discussed Spider-man 3 [penny-arcade.com] "Tyco" states He [Gabe] brought it home, went through the long install again on his own PS3, and then wept under its cruel lash.

This was the first I had heard of any installs to the hard drive (beyond DLC or patches), so I went to Gamestop and checked the boxes, and Resistance for example "Requires 3 gigs of Hard Disk space" to play. I saw a number of boxes with similar requirements. Is that all caching that gets overwritten when you pop in a new game? Is Spidey 3 the exception?

Please let me know as I don't wish to be spreading FUD if I misunderstood.

Re: PS3 Hard drive installs. (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 7 years ago | (#19848405)

I just rented Resistance and didn't notice any kind of install, so I'm going to go with "most" games don't require any install. My guess would be that the "required 3 gigs" is for caching and the updates you can download. Crappy movie based piece of shit games do lots of stupid things, like getting made in the first place.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#19847849)

This is also why many PS3 games require multi-gig installs. Personally, I'm not a fan of that approach.
Spoken like someone who has never used nor owns a PS3.

This is why talking out of your ass is bad. Personally, I'm not a fan of that approach.

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

Mark Gillespie (866733) | more than 7 years ago | (#19846747)

I am sorry I have to break the bad news, but Microsoft have tricked you into thinking Blu-Ray in PS3 is slower than the DVD in the 360.

It's simply not true, Microsoft have stated the maximum data transfer rate, at the outer edge of the disk, Blu-Ray is consistent across the entire disk surface (look up CAV and CLV). If you take the average speed of the Xbox DVD drive, and consider it's only 12x on single layer media (8x on DVD9), the Xbox drive is actually slower.

I hope you didn't base any buying decisions on Microsoft's lies..

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (1)

Scottoest (1081663) | more than 7 years ago | (#19850529)

I was talking about access rate, not transfer rates.

- Scott

Re:Sorry Rockstar, You Can Keep Your Downgraded Sh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19847061)

There are too many other fantastic PC games coming out over the next year to care about a game that the company themselves are admitting is downgraded to support the consoles - the underpowered 360 and PS3 with only a HDTV maximum resolution, and useless extra cores.

Rockstar you decided to sell out and make gamers suffer with a downgraded game. PC users aren't going to put up with a crappy game that is downgraded to run on the PS3 and 360. ...

Hey look ma! I can troll too!

so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19841395)

same game, new music, better graphics.

Re:so... (1)

hejog (816106) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841539)

same game, new music, better graphics.
anyone would think it were a sequel! Oh wait. sequels = safe bet to make money.

Re:so... (4, Informative)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841989)

Look around for scans of the recent gaming magazine that had an exclusive. Lots of new stuff.
1. The game isn't as centered around committing random crimes. Sure you can still jack cars, but its obvious easier to pay a taxi or take other transportation or example.
2. There is an in game computer internet, you receive emails from crime bosses, post resumes to jobs, etc etc.
3. Much more extensive fighting system. Article stated it was close to gears of war in the close quarters fighting, nothing like the spray and pray of the previous fighting.
4. The missions are more open ended, unlike previous GTA games you can have multiple missions going on at the same time, for example some missions require multiple days to complete you can take on smaller missions in the interim while you complete the larger missions, etc etc..

Re:so... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19844839)

The game isn't as centered around committing random crimes.


How would you "center around" anything? The center is a point with zero area.

Re:so... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19847733)

Well, see, what you do 1st is understand colloquialisms...

Re:so... (1)

CamD (964822) | more than 7 years ago | (#19846817)

2. There is an in game computer internet
"Ooh, they have the Internet on computers now!"

Re:so... (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#19847867)

No, they have an internet, on your computer, in a game, on your computer.

Re:so... (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 7 years ago | (#19848613)

same game, new music, better graphics.
For comparison purposes, Rockstar is distributing GTA1 and 2 for free (well, for the cost of your name, email, and mailing address) at http://www.rockstargames.com/classics/gta.html/ [rockstargames.com] .

Cant wait. (1)

Devir (671031) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841589)

GTA 3 was great in that it had lots to do and was a very open game. The stunts bonuses you could get added a nice non violent touch to the game. That aspect was greatly lost in the next 2 installments of the genre.

Basically the PS3 is baught once GTA4 and Metal Gear 4 come out on it. I just seriously hope Sony doesn't gut it too much by the time I woujld like to buy. I would realy love them to keep the PS2 hardware in the system. But... I guess emulation is a good thing too. They can somewhat enhance the graphics of the PS2 games and possibly add in more frame rate if done right.

Re:Cant wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19841743)

Forget GTA4, it looks mediocre at best.

Infamous from Sucker Punch is what everyone wants:

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/5157.html [gametrailers.com]

Re:Cant wait. (1)

Comen (321331) | more than 7 years ago | (#19848123)

GTA4 or Infamous, hmmm let me see, yea I'll take GTA4, you can't be serious!

Re:Cant wait. (1)

Intellectual Elitist (706889) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841757)

> GTA 3 was great in that it had lots to do and was a very open game. The stunts bonuses you could get added a nice non violent touch to the game. That aspect was greatly lost in the next 2 installments of the genre.

Huh? GTA:VC and GTA:SA had even more non-violent side content than GTA3. Much moreso in the case of GTA:SA. Did you even play those games...?

Re:Cant wait. (1)

Devir (671031) | more than 7 years ago | (#19843503)

I was being specific to the unique Car stunts. I've played through all the GTA games. SA added in exercise at the Gym and airplane flying. For non violence you could help some demented kid shoot down remote control planes.

I think my favorite was VC.

Re:Cant wait. (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#19844465)

I liked the size of the world in SA you could traverse without load pauses. It was impressive. And I hope in GTA IV they use the Blu-Ray to the fullest extent to go even further (hopefully they won't hobble it to only the capabilities of the XBox 360).

My favorite GTA flying experience was actually the "Dodo" in GTA III, which with careful practice you could fly around the whole map.

Re:Cant wait. (1)

yotto (590067) | more than 7 years ago | (#19844527)

Yeah, I loved flying the dodo up to the hidden city in the ... north east? ... corner of the map. Almost makes me want to put my Windows hard drive back in my computer and reinstall it.

Vice City was the game where I spent the most time just driving around jumping things and trying to do stunts. I don't recall if I got any in-game bonuses for them, but that didn't stop me. I do remember hitting all the little triangle signs in the airport to jump my motorcycle around for unique jumps though.

Re:Cant wait. (2, Informative)

Intellectual Elitist (706889) | more than 7 years ago | (#19849027)

> I was being specific to the unique Car stunts.

Of which GTA3 had 20 and GTA:SA had 70. Plus GTA:SA had photo goals, more hidden trinkets, several arcade games within the game, etc. Tons more non-violent side content than GTA3. So whether you're being general or specific, you're still wrong.

No Recording (1)

tubapro12 (896596) | more than 7 years ago | (#19841837)

Don't record it or he'll hunt you down like CJ did Officer Eddie Pulaski!

Sid Meier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19842395)

So this is a bit offtopic, but why is it that Sid Meier is the only guy who gets his name listed on the box like he's the author? Does he program the whole thing himself? Or does he just own the company?

Re:Sid Meier (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 7 years ago | (#19842841)

Because his name is known, therefore it sells more when they put it on.

Did you think John Madden writes American football games?

Re:Sid Meier (1)

clonmult (586283) | more than 7 years ago | (#19846445)

Eh? You mean Madden doesn't actually write those games with his name on?

I am *so* disillusioned ....

Re:Sid Meier (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19843841)

Because he's a gaming legend, responsible for Civilization, Pirates & Railroad Tycoon amongst other things. I have no idea of his actual day to involvement in games that carry his name, but that's why it's there.

It certainly means a hell of a lot more about the quality of a game than Tom Clancy or (shudder) American McGee.

When is GTA: Emerald City coming out for the Wii? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19844497)

Or do I have to wait to hear about this at the German gaming convention later this year?
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