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257 comments

Thats nothing.... (5, Funny)

streetphantom (1075615) | about 7 years ago | (#19859959)

Blue Ray is being given away with Cornflakes soon.

Re:Thats nothing.... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860243)

So, it may well be an offer just for show attendees, although that would be most unusual... after all, if they're practically giving them away, they might as well actually give them away to influential people within the industry and the trade press.

There is no information about the offer on the show's registration pages or at Toshiba's site, so take this as a tantalizing tease (with however many grains of salt you deem appropriate).

Re:Thats nothing.... (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | about 7 years ago | (#19860731)

I'm wondering how a quote ripped straight from the article merits "+1 insightful."

Re:Thats nothing.... (4, Funny)

Traxton1 (154182) | about 7 years ago | (#19860851)

Are you new here?

Re:Thats nothing.... (1)

Cctoide (923843) | about 7 years ago | (#19860387)

Is this "Blue Ray" related to Ray Charles?

Nice loss-leader... (3, Insightful)

Bob Gelumph (715872) | about 7 years ago | (#19859963)

but will there be enough units to give HD-DVD a good enough foot hold to claw back marketshare from bluray?

Re:Nice loss-leader... (5, Informative)

dunezone (899268) | about 7 years ago | (#19860211)

Marketshare? Ill be honest, I haven't seen one Blu-ray or HD-DVD player in someones house yet nor do I know anyone that owns one. Wait, I take that back Ive see one Blu-ray player and thats a PS3.

Is it just me? Is it the Chicago area and we just refuse to buy into it? Ive read countless articles on which one is better, which will win, and that the Blu-ray has already won. And I still haven't seen one outside a store yet.

Re:Nice loss-leader... (1)

IL-CSIXTY4 (801087) | about 7 years ago | (#19860331)

It might be a Chicago thing. I haven't heard of anyone taking the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray plunge here either.

Re:Nice loss-leader... (1)

RoundSparrow (341175) | about 7 years ago | (#19860757)

Is it just me? Is it the Chicago area and we just refuse to buy into it? Ive read countless articles on which one is better, which will win, and that the Blu-ray has already won. And I still haven't seen one outside a store yet.

I think that doesn't prove anything other than Anecdotal evidence. For a "new product" and in a certain price range, a product can be a big hit... but still be on a small scale.

I drive around a Mercedes Benz Sprinter (or whatever brand you want to associate with it), and they have been in the North America now for 4 years. UPS and FedEx are driving them around town constantly. And people stills say to me at the gas station that they have never seen one before and ask all kinds of questions.

Doesn't mean they aren't selling well in their class/market.

in 3 years, the market for Blue Ray and HD DVD will be such that probably there won't be any non players. Does anyone still purchase CD-ROM drives are CD-RECORDERS? Not when you can get a DVD recorder with SATA for $30 (check ZipZoomFly).

Playstation 3 (1)

Twiceblessedman (590621) | about 7 years ago | (#19860781)

I know quite a few people who have a blu-ray player, which is the playstation 3.

Re:Nice loss-leader... (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 7 years ago | (#19860761)

It's probably a loss-leader, but I'm willing to bet the loss on each unit is less than on the leading Blu-Ray player. (Granted, that one is rumored to play video games as well, but it seems to have been an afterthought :)

Free as in no one will pay to haul these away? (5, Funny)

magarity (164372) | about 7 years ago | (#19859969)

An added bonus is three free HD-DVD's
 
Pink Flamingos, Alone in the Dark, and The Star Wars Holiday Special.

Re:Free as in no one will pay to haul these away? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860097)

Who wouldn't pay to watch Divine eat dog shit? I mean, that just made the film!

I wouldn't buy it (5, Informative)

Durrok (912509) | about 7 years ago | (#19859973)

I might use it if they give it away. This player has numerous issues, highlighted here.

For those of you who don't like to click links:

The HD-A2 is the least capable of the current crop of HD-DVD players available from Toshiba. Both of the other two models, the HD-A20 (Buy now) and the HD-XA2 (Buy now), support 1080p video. In fact the HD-A20 is nearly identical to the HD-A2, it just adds 1080p for an extra $100 more on the MSRP. So the odds that a firmware upgrade will ever be available for the HD-A2 to allow 1080p are pretty slim. How would you explain that to someone who bought an HD-A20? The HD-XA2 also comes with HDMI 1.3, better video processing, and gold plated input jacks. But the HD-A2 is the one that's getting all the hot sale prices, so it appears to be the most popular right now. But if you shop around, you might find a great deal on the HD-A20. For example, right now it's only about $25 more than the HD-A2 at the HT Guys store (as of 6/22).

Dammit (4, Informative)

Durrok (912509) | about 7 years ago | (#19860005)

The link was there in the preview, I swear! Here it is [hdtvmagazine.com]

Re:Dammit (0, Troll)

Brad1138 (590148) | about 7 years ago | (#19860647)

"+5, Informative" for correcting a mistake? Boy they are handed out easy these days.

Re:Dammit (0, Offtopic)

aplusjimages (939458) | about 7 years ago | (#19860879)

Too bad we can mod up mods for being funny.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (3, Insightful)

John Betonschaar (178617) | about 7 years ago | (#19860301)

So if you just have a 720p TV (like I do) and don't care about 'HDMI 1.3' (whatever benefit you might get from that) or gold-plated connectors (for *digital* signals??), it's actually at least a half-decent player?

Re:I wouldn't buy it (1)

Durrok (912509) | about 7 years ago | (#19860793)

Sure, until you get a 1080p a year or two down the road. Just seems kinda shortsighted not to spend the extra $100 and to get a player that is going to support you for much longer.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (1)

Basehart (633304) | about 7 years ago | (#19860923)

"...spend the extra $100 and to get a player that is going to support you for much longer."

It's like buying a walking stick without a rubber plug thing on the end. Why spend $70 for a regular walking stick without a plug thing when you can spend an extra $5 and get one with one on it, on the end there. So that's $75 with a plug as opposed to $70 for one without one. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Spend the extra $100 and think of the future you. You'll thank yourself down the road.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (1)

RoundSparrow (341175) | about 7 years ago | (#19860801)

I'm going to take the question mark at the end seriously.

Honestly, a regular def DVD looks pretty decent on a good quality 42" 720p display. HDDVD would probably look good on something much larger or very close in detail (like when you pause to want to read a name on a movie character's shirt).

Why would you WANT to watch HDDVD on 720p display? You really aren't getting much more than the much cheaper to rent or buy DVD disc. It isn't just the cost of the player, the cost of the movies!

And no, it probably isn't a half-decent player. It is first generation, they are slow to start, etc.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about 7 years ago | (#19860867)

Especialy since the cheap player does output 1080i (following the above link). Personally would not pay double to get the "p." There are hardly any 1080p movies out anyways, and I don't think the difference from 1080i would be noticeable. Paying double for a small degree of "future-proofing" is not a good value in my book.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (1)

Eternauta3k (680157) | about 7 years ago | (#19861049)

or gold-plated connectors (for *digital* signals??), it's actually at least a half-decent player?
It sounds like audiophile crap, but lots of connectors are gold plated, for example the ones in my old Palm and some serial cables. It barely adds any cost, they just want you to think so.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (1)

CrtxReavr (62039) | about 7 years ago | (#19860359)

Those are valid concerns, but this may be an ideal opportunity for people in my position. I've already got an HDTV that I dumped $1200 a few years ago. . . a Toshiba 42H82 which only supports 480i/p, 720i/p, & 1080i, plus it only has component inputs, no HDMI.

The HD-A2 player supports 1080i output over component cables, so it will fully utilize my TV.

Looks like a great deal to me.

-CR

Re:I wouldn't buy it (0, Redundant)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 7 years ago | (#19860595)

I think it's a fine price though, that would be the cheapest HD player and it's an upscaling DVD player too. I have a native 1080p display (as in, it really is 1920x1080 with progressive inputs), but it's a video projector, showing a very large image. There is a minimum distance to screen width ratio before it's worth going 1080p over 720p or 1080i. I think it's between 2.0 to 1 and 1.5 to 1. A person with a 42" diagonal screen would be OK with 720p unless they sit closer than 6ft from the screen, then there may be a clear difference.

I don't know if I would buy it though, as I said, I have a display arrangement where 1080i/p is clearly distinguisable from each other.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (5, Interesting)

santakrooz (517854) | about 7 years ago | (#19860877)

1080p vs 1080i is a non-feature when it comes to HDDVD or BluRay that Sony has "invented" for marketing purposes. Here is why. Movies are filmed at 24 frames per second. They are displayed at 30frames or 60frames per second on high def DVD formats. All HDDVD and BluRay content is stored on disc in "1080p" meaning 1080x1920 full frame non-interlaced. Your 1080p display can take 1080i input from a 1080i source such as the A2 and will recombine fields to create full frame images. 1080p displays don't actually display anything interlaced. So when you're watching a 1080i source on a 1080p television you are actually effectively seeing 1080p 30frames per second instead of 1080p 60frames per second. You will not see a single bit of difference because the content is 24fps to begin with. Even 100% digitally filmed/produced movies such as CG cartoons (Nemo) or movies (Star Wars Prequels) are still mastered at 24fps...

1080p is good for displaying 1080 content that is higher than 30 frames per second - such as video games. Basically with 1080i you're limited to 30 frames per second at 1080 vs 60 frames for 1080p. Playstation has 1080p because it's a game machine and 1080p provides potential for higher framerates at 1080 for gaming which is advantageous. But for movies? the difference betweek i and p is meaningless.

Re:I wouldn't buy it (-1, Offtopic)

CyberLord Seven (525173) | about 7 years ago | (#19860963)

Nice explanation.

Hmmmm, I've got to kill some time because I hit the submit button in less then 17 seconds and the system won't let me post unless some time has passed.

What should I do to kill some time?...

Damn, I just don't know.

Hey, I just killed a bunch of time writing this. Incidently, I also killed a bunch of electrons and wasted bandwidth. But who cares?

Guess I'll hit the submit button now...

Or should I kill some more electrons?

Naw, I'll hit the submit button now!

Re:I wouldn't buy it (1)

Keeper (56691) | about 7 years ago | (#19861117)

There is no difference between 1080p output and 1080i output if your tv does proper pulldown detection. Gold plated jacks are also pointless if you're hooking everything using digital outputs. HDMI 1.3 might be interesting if you have equipment that supports it, but I certainly don't. And the difference in video processing primarily benefits upscaling of DVD's -- if you've already got a good upscaling player then that isn't necessary.

So I'd say $99 is a damn good deal if
a) your tv isn't a pile of crap
b) you're using HDMI for video
c) you're using HDMI/spdif for audio

Re:I wouldn't buy it (4, Interesting)

Shabbs (11692) | about 7 years ago | (#19861141)

1080p is marketing hype. Feeding a 1080i or a 1080p signal to a 1080p TV will be EXACTLY the same if the source is HD DVD or Blu-ray.

Now, 1080p/24 is interesting. The HD-A20 and XA2 are going to be getting firmware updates to allow 1080p/24 output. The HD-A2 will not get this update. That is cool, if you have a 1080p/24 device you can watch HD film as it should be. But, how many people have a 1080p/24 display device? How many are even out there? Very few.

Cheers.

One week my ass :) (1)

Blahbooboo3 (874492) | about 7 years ago | (#19859981)

Ya, sure just 1 week. 3 weeks later, a new special for $69 :)

That's it, Blu-ray is toast (-1, Flamebait)

benzapp (464105) | about 7 years ago | (#19859987)

Bye Bye Sony. Hopefully, this will be one more nail in their coffin.

Re:That's it, Blu-ray is toast (4, Insightful)

toleraen (831634) | about 7 years ago | (#19860147)

Wow, a little hopeful are we? If all it took was a one week sale to kill Blu-Ray, they would have done it months ago. This sale isn't going to do jack other than get rid of the lingering inferior toshiba HDDVD player (compared to their other HD DVD Players, see an above post explaining why it sucks) so they can make room for the next revision of their hardware.

Re:That's it, Blu-ray is toast (dont be naive!) (1)

apodyopsis (1048476) | about 7 years ago | (#19860219)

Don't be naive. if there is any SURE sign that BluRay is getting the upper hand then this is is.

Companies just do not give things away at cost for no reason, my guess is that this would be ploy to try and gain back market and advertising space.

Re:That's it, Blu-ray is toast (dont be naive!) (1)

sqlrob (173498) | about 7 years ago | (#19860379)

Like the five free Blu-Ray movies with purchase of the player (including PS3) is signs of HD-DVD having the upper hand?

Re:That's it, Blu-ray is toast (dont be naive!) (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860711)

No, the sure sign that blu-ray is getting the upper hand was Blockbuster Video's announcement mid-June that it is going to exclusively stock blu-ray titles in its stores while phasing out HD tiles in it's online service.

wow (2, Interesting)

androvsky (974733) | about 7 years ago | (#19859999)

In today's class, we'll look at how to tell who's losing a format war...

This is why Toshiba's having trouble getting other hardware manufacturers on board, with them selling at such a loss. Sure HD-DVD is supposed to be cheaper than blu-ray for disc pressing, but the players have pretty much the same specs, it can't be that much cheaper for Toshiba to build them.

Re:wow (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 7 years ago | (#19860059)

This is why Toshiba's having trouble getting other hardware manufacturers on board, with them selling at such a loss. Sure HD-DVD is supposed to be cheaper than blu-ray for disc pressing, but the players have pretty much the same specs, it can't be that much cheaper for Toshiba to build them.

Exactly HD-DVD & Blu-Ray share the same blue laser diode, similar hardware specs, and a similar software stack. If HD-DVD players are selling for less than Blu-Ray it is because Toshiba is heavily subsidizing them to push more sales. The Blu-Ray camp seems less inclined to drop prices, probably because they're winning so why lose money on sales?

Re:wow (1)

TheMeuge (645043) | about 7 years ago | (#19860075)

The players probably cost $20 to make.

Re:wow (3, Insightful)

toleraen (831634) | about 7 years ago | (#19860157)

Yeah, and the R&D probably cost 'em $50, a couple pizzas, a case of beer, and a long weekend.

Re:wow (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860231)

HD-DVDs are cheaper to produce now, but in the long run Blu-Ray discs will be because they are simpler to produce and use less raw product; one sheet of plastic vs two.

Re:wow (2, Interesting)

Locutus (9039) | about 7 years ago | (#19860549)

that was what I was thinking when I read this. What I've noticed recently was that when marketshare numbers where put out on HD players, they would note later on that the PS3 shipments were excluded and that, IMO, shows that HD-DVD is losing. Having to play tricks with market share numbers is one indicator of what's really going on and this price cut also shows who's got to try harder to get customers. Who in their right mind wouldn't pick up a PS3 for their HD video( BluRay ) player when for maybe $100 you get a 3rd Gen game console thrown in?

To tell you the truth, I also figure Universal and Microsoft are behind this deal since both have tons to lose when HD-DVD fails to gain much marketshare. Universal has partnered with Microsoft and is exclusive to HD-DVD while recently also shutting off Apple from it's music portfolio by not renewing their iTunes license. So Toshiba might not be losing any money on this if it's subsidized by Microsoft and/or Universal.

While tempting, I still don't want to get caught with a device only supported by such a limited market. Not to mention such a lowend device/player.

Re:wow (1)

Sancho (17056) | about 7 years ago | (#19860725)

Lots of problems here.

What I've noticed recently was that when marketshare numbers where put out on HD players, they would note later on that the PS3 shipments were excluded and that, IMO, shows that HD-DVD is losing.
If you buy a Bluray player, there's a damned good chance that you bought it to play Bluray discs. If you buy an HD-DVD player, there's a damned good chance that you bought it to play HD-DVDs. But according to one report, 70% of console owners don't realize that their game systems play DVD discs[1] [theglobeandmail.com] . It seems like including every PS3 purchase (many of which were returned due to problems/lack of games) as a Bluray player sale artificially inflates the success of Bluray. Excluding them entirely may not be fair, but including them probably skews the conclusion even more.

Who in their right mind wouldn't pick up a PS3 for their HD video( BluRay ) player when for maybe $100 you get a 3rd Gen game console thrown in?
Someone who doesn't want a 3rg Gen console? Someone who would rather have HD-DVD for some reason (personally, there aren't a lot of Bluray movies I'd be interested in.) Someone who wants a combo player?

Universal ... recently also [shut] off Apple from it's music portfolio by not renewing their iTunes license.
Untrue untrue untrue! Universal declined to renew a long-term contract, opting for a short-term one which gives them more bargaining power. Universal music will continue to remain on iTunes.

While tempting, I still don't want to get caught with a device only supported by such a limited market.
For $100, I'd do it. I've been wanting an upscaling DVD player, anyway, and those tend to cost around $60. Who in their right mind wouldn't pay an extra $40 for a 2nd gen DVD player if they're buying an upscaling DVD player anyway?

Re:wow (1)

king-manic (409855) | about 7 years ago | (#19860827)

If you buy a Bluray player, there's a damned good chance that you bought it to play Bluray discs. If you buy an HD-DVD player, there's a damned good chance that you bought it to play HD-DVDs. But according to one report, 70% of console owners don't realize that their game systems play DVD discs[1]. It seems like including every PS3 purchase (many of which were returned due to problems/lack of games) as a Bluray player sale artificially inflates the success of Bluray. Excluding them entirely may not be fair, but including them probably skews the conclusion even more.

There is a high correlation with owning a PS3 and buying a BD movies. The returns aren't that significant and were only in the launch phase where some individuals wished to buy them to resell but saw the market wasn't there for that. Your arguments are unsupported by reality. I suppose you could substitute your own reality?

Re:wow (1)

Cowclops (630818) | about 7 years ago | (#19860883)

"I've been wanting an upscaling DVD player, anyway,"

Either your TV doesn't need to scale the image (because its a 480i CRT) or it MUST be scaled to the native res (because its an LCD). An unscaled image on an LCD would have black bars around the outside and it would be the wrong pixel ratio.

Since scaling must occur somewhere, it either happens in the TV or the DVD player. The only way an upscaling DVD player can be "better" than just plugging 480i from your DVD player to your TV is if the TV's built in hardware is inferior to your hypothetical $60 DVD player.

Say your screen is 1366x768, as many LCDs are. DVDs are 720x480, but the standard hi def formats are 1280x720 and 1920x1080. Since no tv format is exactly 1366x768, all inputs must be scaled no matter what it is. A good TV will do a good job of this and won't be beat by a "$60" external DVD player. A crappy TV shouldn't have been purchased, so who cares if a $60 DVD player's scaler beats it?

The exact same argument is used for laserdisc players and their comb filter. Laserdiscs store composite video which must be run through a comb filter SOMEWHERE in order to (eventually) turn it into RGB. New, high quality TVs have better comb filters than any laserdisc player could have, so usually its BETTER to run composite out than s-video.

To show attendees by the sounds of it (3, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | about 7 years ago | (#19860001)

The blog makes it sound like only show attendees may be able to apply for this. I don't see how they could offer it to the general public unless Toshiba was prepared to lose hundreds of millions in a last gasp bid to win the format war.

$50 (3, Funny)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about 7 years ago | (#19860007)

If only we could get $50 HDI cables to go with it!

Re:$50 (1)

AvenNYC (1042622) | about 7 years ago | (#19860149)

www.monoprice.com ..... lol

Re:$50 (1)

cj (22231) | about 7 years ago | (#19860611)

Why pay that much? The Apple Store has HDMI cables for $20. http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/A ppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6C04E07A&nplm=TL951LL/A [apple.com]

Re:$50 (2, Interesting)

sethmeisterg (603174) | about 7 years ago | (#19860787)

I was in Fry's the other day and noticed a number of different manufacturers selling HDMI cables -- Monster at $100, another major brand at $90, then there were the generics for $15. People just don't understand that Monster cables are total overkill for HDMI. If you can see the signal, the cable's good. There is no analog improvement, no matter how much technobabble Monster wants you to think matters.

Just a marketing SCAM! (5, Informative)

jsldub (133194) | about 7 years ago | (#19860017)

Did you read the fine print in the press release?

Questex Media Group provides certain customer contact data (such as customers' names, addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses) to third parties who with to promote relevant products, services, and other opportunities which may be of interest to you...

Re:Just a marketing SCAM! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860597)

Of course it is. And of course this is just another Slashdot attempt to save the dead HD-DVD format.

After the Slashdot iPhone fiasco no one should have any doubt that this site has turned into a marketing blog.

Re:Just a marketing SCAM! (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 7 years ago | (#19860903)

Wow, they throw in free opportinuties of interest!? Now if only it were bundled with a two-year commitment to AT&T wireless...

But I'm a geek! (-1, Offtopic)

Jugalator (259273) | about 7 years ago | (#19860021)

So I want a cheap burner, HD-DVD works, but preferrably Blu-ray. Mmmm, disc space!

Actually there are NO HD-DVD burners yet (2, Interesting)

DumbSwede (521261) | about 7 years ago | (#19860337)

Are you sure HD-DVD Burners work? I challenge you to find even one for sale. Toshiba announced the first one back in Jan 2007, but it keeps getting delayed. Still no firm ship date. You can find several 2x Blu-Ray burners and 4x and 8x models on the way.

HD-DVD burners don't work because the layer widths were designed for red light lasers. The duplication process is more like stamping than burning which is why they can get away using the old DVD duplication equipment with some minor retrofitting. Blu-Ray was designed from the start as a burner. There have been Blu-Ray burners since 2005 for over the air transmission recording.

HD-DVD's whole premise was to be quick and cheap for duplication houses. Since Blu-Ray disc prices are on average cheaper than HD-DVD, these seems not to have mattered.

Punctuation Rule (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860073)

An added bonus is three free HD-DVD's.

Here's a handy rule to remember: if you don't know how to use an apostrophe, don't use one at all.

There are places where correct English is less important - published articles are not one of them.

Re:Punctuation Rule (0, Offtopic)

heinousjay (683506) | about 7 years ago | (#19860235)

Here's another one for you: if you're correcting other people's English, stop.

Re:Punctuation Rule (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860395)

I believe it's actually acceptable to use an apostrophe when pluralizing acronyms or initialisms, even though grammatically it seems wrong.

YGGMV. (Your Grammar Guide May Vary)

Re:Punctuation Rule (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860401)

Here's another handy rule: the use of apostrophes for pluralizing acronyms does not have a single, settled, agreed-upon rule. Both "HD-DVD's" and "HD-DVDs" are in wide use and are acceptable.

(And I say that as a member of the no-apostrophe camp.)

Re:Punctuation Rule (0, Flamebait)

LabRat (8054) | about 7 years ago | (#19860789)

Since you've taken to the jack-assery of correcting someone's grammar, here's a tip for you:

"published articles are not one of them" is grammatically incorrect. A plural noun cannot be "one" of anything.

"published articles are not among them" would be one correct way to express that thought.

Cool -when can I get a $99 HD-DVD WRITER? (1, Insightful)

Glasswire (302197) | about 7 years ago | (#19860217)

...for my PC. THAT'S what I'm waiting for. RO media is so passe.

Make HD-DVD open source! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860229)

The only way that Toshiba can overcome the tyranny of Sony/Minolta and their competing Blue-Ray format is to obviously make the HD-DVD format open source. By leveraging the dedication and organizational abilities of the Open Source developer community can they create a multi-pronged assault on the market share of the Sony/Minolta format.
Providing access to the source to HD-DVD additional functionality can be added to HD-DVD such as higher read/erase density; increased reading speeds, true support for 720p and of course 24-bit color depth. GIMP would certainly take advantage to the the HD-DVD MPEG format.

It would be truly awesome for Toshiba to ally themselves with the OSS and using the extensive JDK libraries available. That indeed is good news for the consumer.

Which is nice.

Re:Make HD-DVD open source! (1)

westlake (615356) | about 7 years ago | (#19860515)

The only way that Toshiba can overcome the tyranny of Sony/Minolta and their competing Blue-Ray format is to obviously make the HD-DVD format open source.

Nice one.

But Blu-ray's prime advantage is in studio support.

Re:Make HD-DVD open source! (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 7 years ago | (#19860533)

The only way that Toshiba can overcome the tyranny of Sony/Minolta and their competing Blue-Ray format

The tyranny??? Toshiba is no better or worse than Sony. The Japanese electronics industry is so incestuous that these two can be fighting about one thing (the HD format) and cooperating on another (making Cell processors). People who think Toshiba are some sort of rebel alliance are simply out of their tree. It's a lousy format war FFS. If you want to side with HD-DVD fine, but do so for the merits of the system, not out of some misguided hatred of one mega-corporation over another.

Big deal (1)

Form-o-Stuff (706090) | about 7 years ago | (#19860257)

Until I can afford an HD TV, this just doesn't matter to me.

Re:Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860497)

So don't bother posting peasant.

Anyone can afford an HDTV (1)

emkman (467368) | about 7 years ago | (#19860777)

Umm, maybe you haven't checked, but HD ready TVs can be had for as low as $200 these days: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Sub mit=ENE&N=2102640411+4018&name=%24200+-+%24300 [newegg.com]
If your not working so many jobs that you dont have time to read /. you can afford an HDTV, even if its not a big one. The price went back up, but my roommate and I just split this Hitachi 55" TV [circuitcity.com] , which we got for 899 from Circuit City right before the 4th of July. The picture quality on SD and HD content is amazing. Its only 720p but still looks great, and the price was impossible to turn down. So I would definitely say at this point, anyone can get an HD tv. Getting HD content to watch is another story though, and maybe more expensive than the TVs now.

Big harry deal! (2)

josquint (193951) | about 7 years ago | (#19860289)

Its a promotional stunt to promote the conference!

Now, next time I walk into Mall Wart and see a (name brand) HD-DVD or Blu-ray player for $148.97, then THAT will be a big deal.

$99 Betamax Player? (-1, Troll)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | about 7 years ago | (#19860303)

I wouldn't buy a $99 Betamax player, and I wouldn't buy this HD-DVD player either. HD-DVD is dead, long live Blu-Ray.

Re:$99 Betamax Player? (2, Interesting)

otis wildflower (4889) | about 7 years ago | (#19860411)

You can keep it.

Personally, I like having less infringement on my freedom (weaker copy protection, no region coding) and better video quality (initial BR discs were shitty MPEG2 rather than modern MPEG4, 3x the space use yet crappier video?), and avoiding Sony garbage is just a fringe benefit.

Plus, _The Big Lebowski_, _Heroes_, _Dune_ and _Serenity_ are exclusive. As will be _Scarface_ and the rest of the NBC Universal range.

You can keep _Star Wars_ and Disney stuff thanks.

Then again, if I can find a BR player for $199, maybe I'd consider giving it my receiver's remaining HDMI port.

Re:$99 Betamax Player? (3, Funny)

Reapman (740286) | about 7 years ago | (#19860579)

Hmmm I just googled to confirm what you said about Serenity... here's something that I thought was rather funny:
http://www.amazon.com/Is-Serenity-on-Blu-Ray/forum /Fx2OBJXPD8AAL2V/Tx3HBJ73B4L8NHR/1?_encoding=UTF8& asin=B00005JO0J [amazon.com]

"No, Universal is still in the HD DVD-only camp. Annoyingly, Fox is in the Blu-ray camp so if Firefly ever comes out in high-def, it will be a different format from Serenity." :D

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Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860305)

Great, another slashvertisement. Can thing be more like digg.com? Can we have more slashvertisements?

get back with me when they have a $99 HD-TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860317)

No way am I going to spend $400+ on a damn television to replace my 29" crt. Show me something in a equivalent size or larger for like $300 and I might take an interest.

I'm not paying a premium for more pixels.

Re:get back with me when they have a $99 HD-TV (1)

SengirV (203400) | about 7 years ago | (#19860425)

I purchased a refurb Sanyo 30" HDTV CRT for $299 at an East coast place called Value City. 2+ years later and I'm still happy with it. They are out there if you look hard enough.

Re:get back with me when they have a $99 HD-TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860775)

I see 200 small problems there.

$99 HD-DVD Player Coming Soon? (1)

Threni (635302) | about 7 years ago | (#19860329)

Well, it's either that or the format never takes off.

a better question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860335)

when will those linux fags stop sucking them dicks?

Is there any confirmation on this? (2, Insightful)

josquint (193951) | about 7 years ago | (#19860343)

It looks like the only information is an email from a listserve?

Umm.. I just got several emails promising to enlarge body parts, improve bodily functions, and sell me prescription drugs at unreal prices. An the fax I got the other day lets me in on an offere to go to Disney World for $69. So what?

So a slashdot article now has come down to some dude posting the cool spam they got?

great deal... (4, Funny)

mustafap (452510) | about 7 years ago | (#19860363)

> HD-A2 player at $99 for one week only, beginning July 22.

What, and then we give it back after the weekend?

The road of digital media (1)

Casandro (751346) | about 7 years ago | (#19860375)

Well HD-DVD and Blueray will go down the road of all digital hardware-based media.
Today the players cost hundreds of dollars, tomorrow the chineese will build $50 ones which will play a lot more than the expensive ones will. The picture and sound quality will be almoust the same and most people will just play pirated or at least non-hollywood content on those players.

Sony probably lost a lot of money on DVD-Players. In the past Sony (and other big brands) were able to justify charging way more for a VHS recorder than the competition as they were able to create an aura of quality. With digital media, such an aura is hard to create.

Optic storage is losing the format war (3, Interesting)

BlueParrot (965239) | about 7 years ago | (#19860413)

We know for sure that SONY cannot win a format war because then the universe would implode. We also know that Toshiba is not winning this format war. The logical conclusion is that the whole HD-DVD concept is about to fail miserably in favour of increased internet bandwidth and magnetic storage. Heck, the standard offers over where I am is already in excess of 5 mbit. By the time either HD DVD format has a chance to overtake DVD ( guessing 5-10 years at least ) it will be more than enough to doom the entire HD-DVD concept. Unless the MPAA can cripple broadband deployment in key markets ( read US ) sufficiently of course.

Re:Optic storage is losing the format war (1)

king-manic (409855) | about 7 years ago | (#19860863)

We know for sure that SONY cannot win a format war because then the universe would implode. We also know that Toshiba is not winning this format war. The logical conclusion is that the whole HD-DVD concept is about to fail miserably in favour of increased internet bandwidth and magnetic storage. Heck, the standard offers over where I am is already in excess of 5 mbit. By the time either HD DVD format has a chance to overtake DVD ( guessing 5-10 years at least ) it will be more than enough to doom the entire HD-DVD concept. Unless the MPAA can cripple broadband deployment in key markets ( read US ) sufficiently of course.

We're doomed for sure then because of the CD, 3.5" floppy and so on.

Crack it. (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 7 years ago | (#19860435)

Wake me up when one format is open, either by unilateral action by whoever controls the format (say, Sony gets a conscience), or by cracking it so thoroughly that we can have something like a libaacs to rival libdvdcss.

Or if it happens to both at once, the winner will be whichever has the best price/storage deal. (If it happens to both at once, I'm rooting for Blu-Ray, but that's only because I like the idea of using a real programming language (Java) instead of some hacked-together "menu" system.)

Until it's that well cracked, I won't buy them, because until it's cracked, the only way I can watch HD on my Linux box is either some HD cable/satellite, or downloading movies from people who have HD cable/satellite or have already cracked the crypto for me. (Right now, I can't be bothered to buy an Xbox 360 and a moddable HD-DVD drive just to rip Serenity.)

Re:Crack it. (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | about 7 years ago | (#19860607)

That's becoming a big part of it for me. With Handbrake and ffmpegX, I can take a DVD movie and put it on any device I want (and no, I don't file-stea...share). The convenience of watching movies on my laptop during long airplane trips without swapping discs is great, plus it's nice to have movie playing in a corner of my screen while working at home.

Until either format can do that, count me out.

Re:Crack it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19860785)

you wouldn't need the 360 to use the hd-dvd drive on a pc. and last i heard it worked just fine on win and mac, shouldn't be too difficult on linux but who knows. but anyway, you don't really care about all that, you just like being anti-big-whatever. "I can't be bothered to buy an Xbox 360 and a moddable HD-DVD drive just to rip Serenity"...... why exactly would you need to RIP content when you have the hardware and the original hard copy? backups? no, i'm sure such a person that knows how to rip media knows how to handle a god damned disc from case to drive without scratching it to the point where its unusable. blah. your type annoys me.

Hidden costs (0, Flamebait)

Torodung (31985) | about 7 years ago | (#19860439)

Wow! And after my $99 dollar purchase I'll just have to cough up $5000 for a 50" HDTV to realize *any* of the benefits, not to mention the HDMI non-benefits!

I'll stick with my standard VHS and DVD resolutions for the time being. The best televisions that use them cost little more than $1000. You early adopters can go fish.

All this affects is HD-DVD vs. BluRay adoption for people who have too much disposable income, and too little imagination on how best to spend it.

Hint: Repurchasing all your DVD's is a poor use. Try funding a scholarship or something.

--
Toro

Re:Hidden costs (1)

greatgreygreengreasy (706454) | about 7 years ago | (#19860555)

Wow, if you're paying $5000 for a 50" HDTV I've got some land in Arizona to sell you...

Re:Hidden costs (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 7 years ago | (#19860749)

You can get a good 42 inch 1080P LCD TV for less than $1500 these days.

Hint: Repurchasing all your DVD's is a poor use. Try funding a scholarship or something.

Who's repurchasing all their DVDs? I plan on getting either an HD DVD or blu-ray player soon, but I won't even stop buying regular DVDs (since it will be years since everything I'd want is on high definition DVD), let alone rebuy things I already have.

Re:Hidden costs (0, Troll)

hokiejimbo (751496) | about 7 years ago | (#19861061)

That sounds like the comments of a poor person. A 32" LCD TV is $400-$500, an Xbox is $400, and the HDDVD drive is $200... Altogether a little over a thousand dollars for an HD DVD setup. If you don't have a thousand dollars in disposable income in a year, you need to change jobs.

Bleh (1, Interesting)

PenguinGuy (307634) | about 7 years ago | (#19860443)

I don't want either...I am happy with the DVD's I have now and until they stop making those and the players for them, I am not 'upgrading'

Throw in a $99 HD television as well... (0, Troll)

morari (1080535) | about 7 years ago | (#19860461)

and I'm on board! Until then, it doesn't really matter, now does it? Though to be perfectly fair, I don't want to see any Sony format win, so hopefully this sale will do something to secure the future... You know, assuming either of these are even still relevant in the future once those holographic projectors come out.

Re:Throw in a $99 HD television as well... (1)

pabrown85 (1128059) | about 7 years ago | (#19860615)

"Help me Atsutoshi Nishida, you're my only hope."

I want one (1)

Ixlr8 (63315) | about 7 years ago | (#19860543)

Finally I will be able to tell if camelot is only a model or not. .. o wait, nevermind.

Annoying intros,trailers (4, Interesting)

zymano (581466) | about 7 years ago | (#19860737)

I will be pissed still if we can't FF through those damn things.

If i buy it I should be able to CONTROL MY DAMN MACHINE.

Sue the manufacturers?

HD-DVD should give up (1)

aaronmarks (873211) | about 7 years ago | (#19860799)

Blu-ray is winning the war now that Blockbuster has decided to exclusively carry BD in on all of their stores. When you go into many retail stores now, there are also bigger displays for Blu-ray discs since they are selling MUCH better.

I had asked the guys at my local Blockbuster store how many people were renting HD-DVD's and they all said that it was close to a 10:1 ratio of Blu-ray to HD-DVD rentals. Blu-ray may cost less, but consumers are more aware than ever of wanting quality in the electronics they purchase.

Won't buy till... (2, Insightful)

Nonillion (266505) | about 7 years ago | (#19860811)

I for one WON'T be buying till the machines include the following.

1.15 pin VGA connector
2.DVI connector
3.component RCA connectors
4.composite connector
5.RF 'F' connector

I recently looked at several HD-DVD machines, all of them have HDMI and component connectors, NO VGA, no DVI. Uh excuse me, that's NOT good enough. If Toshiba, Sony and others expect me to jump on the HD wagon they're just going to have to offer these connections at FULL RESOLUTION. I am not about to go out and buy another TV just for the HDMI connector. I don't care about the MPAA, I don't pirate their fucking shit anyway. I just want to be able to watch HD on ANY monitor I choose, period.

Why 1 week only? (2)

MSTCrow5429 (642744) | about 7 years ago | (#19860913)

What is the business/marketing logic behind selling them at a presumed loss for 1 week only? I'm quite happy with my cheap Apex DVD player that is maybe 4-5 years old or so, and have no plans to move to anything else, as I'm also quite happy with my 15 year old 20" TV set. It does seem to me that Blue-Ray is far and away the winner of this very brief format war, so maybe this is just an attempt to sell some HD-DVD players while they still can?

Do I Care? (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | about 7 years ago | (#19861031)

Do I care if a $99 HD-DVD player is coming soon? I think the whole HD business is a stinky mess. As for the $99, I expect players cheaper than that to be available sooner or later.
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