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Programs Cannot Be Uninstalled In Vista?

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the hardly-a-feature dept.

Windows 469

Corson writes "I am surprised that nobody seems to have mentioned this here yet. Possibly after one of the latest updates in Windows Vista, two strange things happened: first, the Uninstall option is no longer available in the Control Panel when you right-click on older programs (most likely, those installed prior to the update in question, because uninstall works fine for recently installed programs — the Uninstall button is also missing on the toolbar at the top); second, some programs are no longer shown on the applications list in Control Panel (e.g., Yahoo Messenger). A Google search returns quite a few hits on this issue (e.g., one, two, three, and four) but everybody seems to be waiting patiently for a sign from Microsoft. But the company seems to have no clue or they would have fixed it already. I am just curious how many of you are experiencing this nuisance."

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469 comments

I'm not experiencing this at all... (0, Troll)

Iphtashu Fitz (263795) | about 7 years ago | (#19868233)

Mainly because I refuse to install/use Vista.

Re:I'm not experiencing this at all... (-1, Flamebait)

poopdeville (841677) | about 7 years ago | (#19868421)

Everyone lives happily ever after. Harry marries Ginny and has three kids. Ron marries Hermione. Snape becomes headmaster. Tonks and Lupin have a child. Draco lives, gets married, has a child named Scorpius. Neville becomes herbology teacher.
PROOF:

http://one.fsphost.com/potterspoiler/index_files/i mage017.jpg [fsphost.com]
http://one.fsphost.com/potterspoiler/index_files/i mage019.jpg [fsphost.com]
http://one.fsphost.com/potterspoiler/index_files/i mage021.jpg [fsphost.com]
http://one.fsphost.com/potterspoiler/index_files/i mage023.jpg [fsphost.com]

The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years. All was well.

Re:I'm not experiencing this at all... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868623)

I'm not experiencing this at all due to I'm Windows literate, LOL, go ahead & blame it on Microsoft thou...

For god sakes people, since my 94 year old grandmother purchased online then setup her own new Gateway Windows Ultimate based computer and another Gateway Windows Ultimate based notebook so she could take it with her when she plays bridge with the local girls, it makes me wonder which program you use to listen to that tells you when to inhale and exhale oxygen because you are not smart enuf to do it on your own, you know, breathe in and then breathe out then do this before your face turns red or you start feeling dizzy.

Re:I'm not experiencing this at all... (5, Informative)

Clete2 (823221) | about 7 years ago | (#19868769)

No problems here. I installed all of the available updates last night. I'm using Vista Ultimate 32-bit edition (on a 64-bit processor).

Bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

Chutulu (982382) | about 7 years ago | (#19868245)

mine is OK. Another article bashing Vista, uh?

Re:Bullshit (0, Redundant)

GizmoToy (450886) | about 7 years ago | (#19868291)

Just because your copy works doesn't mean there isn't a problem. At least a few others are complaining of the same problem, so there seems to be some merit to the claim.

Re:Bullshit (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868303)

Considering the article contains links to reports of other people encountering the same problem I wouldn't call this "bashing Vista". I suppose I could claim that you're a MS apologist (or maybe an MS employee) since you so quickly and blindly jumped to Vistas defense.

Re:Bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | about 7 years ago | (#19868319)

Multiple reports of the problem, but since some random asshole slashdotter has no problem IT MUST NOT EXIST!

Re:Bullshit (5, Insightful)

Mundocani (99058) | about 7 years ago | (#19868375)

It works both ways though -- some number of users experience a problem and they think that *everyone* must be having the problem. Other users aren't having the problem and don't understand how *anyone* could be having trouble. Despite what some may think, assholes are a two-way street :)

Re:Bullshit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868469)

Or, in the case of one of my gay friends, morelike a four-lane highway. Sponsored by Crisco.

Re:Bullshit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868583)

Let's just hope they find that football team in the SUV that hit the oil slick and overturned into the ditch before it's too late.

Re:Bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868549)

Despite what some may think, assholes are a two-way street :)
More proof that Linux users are homosexuals.

Re:Bullshit (3, Insightful)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | about 7 years ago | (#19868355)

mine is OK. Another article bashing Vista, uh?

Yes, just because you're not having problems, that obviously means that nobody else with a different hardware configuration, different software installed, or a different version of Vista could possibly be having issues with it. That would just be silly.

Re:Bullshit (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868449)

Then the Slashdot article needs to be reworded to not be so fucking stupid. The article claims that uninstall is no longer working in Vista due to recent patches. This is an obviously false statement.

Re:Bullshit (2, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | about 7 years ago | (#19868565)

Your world only contains failure rates of 0% and 100%, huh?

Re:Bullshit (5, Funny)

sid0 (1062444) | about 7 years ago | (#19868699)

The tone of TFS does. "Programs cannot Be Uninstalled In Vista?" Nice device -- just use the question mark on a smear to disclaim it if it is later found false. I think it's called the "Cavuto mark", after the guy on Fox News.

This is why you turn off updates.... (5, Interesting)

Fallen Kell (165468) | about 7 years ago | (#19868261)

Problems like this happen all the time. This is why companies usually have a vetting process for any updates that are released and why no person should download an update for a week or more for these issues to be brought up and found/fixed. I keep automatic updates turned off ever since an update for Win2k corrupted my installation and forced a full re-install.

WHO CARES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868423)

For decades, we Mac users haven't really given a shit what was happening off in PC land. Every few years we'd hear about a new version of Windows, and we'd glance into the abyss just long enough to remind ourselves of Microsoft's eternal cluelessness. Other than that, I think our closest brush with Windows was Word 6, and that was a decade and a half ago.

So what makes Windows suddenly relevant to us now? Who are all these "Mac users" clamoring for aberrations like "Macintosh Explorer" [ragesw.com] ? Are these the same "Mac users" on VersionTracker writing glowing reviews of Firefox and Azureus? Who let them in, anyway?

If you're some sort of tragic square who needs to run Windows, maybe you should have thought of that before you bought a Mac. Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just round up these so-called "Mac users" and send them all on trains to Redmond.

Re:WHO CARES (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | about 7 years ago | (#19868473)

For decades, we Mac users haven't really given a shit what was happening off in PC land.... ...
If you're some sort of tragic square who needs to run Windows, maybe you should have thought of that before you bought a Mac.


Well, at least you aren't a fanboy.

Re:WHO CARES (1)

empaler (130732) | about 7 years ago | (#19868499)

Thanks for the link - that program looks interesting. I'll give it a spin, and I might buy it if it turns out to be worth the 16 dollars.

Re:WHO CARES (-1)

node159 (636992) | about 7 years ago | (#19868585)

ROFLMAO!

Re:WHO CARES (1)

node159 (636992) | about 7 years ago | (#19868629)

"Macintosh Explorer" makes me want to poke eyes with sharp hot things.

As if there wasn't enought pain in the world, god it looks awful...

Re:WHO CARES (2, Insightful)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 7 years ago | (#19868645)

speak and spell also doesn't have patch problems, but just because it's easier to use doesn't justify replacing a professional system with a toy.

Re:This is why you turn off updates.... (5, Interesting)

jkrise (535370) | about 7 years ago | (#19868613)

companies usually have a vetting process for any updates that are released and why no person should download an update for a week or more for these issues to be brought up and found/fixed. I keep automatic updates turned off ever since an update for Win2k corrupted my installation and forced a full re-install.
I'm a bit confused here. Let's say I'm a sysadmin and I have a few 100 PCs in my network, 90% of them running some flavour of Windows - mostly Win2K and WinXP, 6 new Vista PCs for testing and the rest Linux. (actually I'm no longer a sysadmin but the rest of the above scenario applies in my firm).

Should we double-guess what Microsoft tells us in their tech notes, and manually check every single patch? Every patch Tuesday, we get about 8 patches on average, how can any end user co. be expected to test out all these on their production networks? How exactly can sysadmins go about checking all these patches themselves? Does it add to their 'experience' or job value? I don't think so, and the sysads can't be bothered to verify what Microsoft ought to know.

End result - we have a WSUS server which handles all the updates, and that server is set to automatic, sothe sysads get back to their task of configuring new PCs, setting up changed environments based on changing project needs etc.

A separate vetting process and a delay of a week is insane IMO - with zero day attacks and little info. to work on - sysadmins are better off doing Automatic Updates. The other problem here in India is that there is no direct support from Microsoft even for Corporates who are willing to pay - support issues get routed to some VAR, the engineers there know little better than the sysadmins, and often merely pretend to help out. In reality they couldn't be bothered less.

Poor Vista adoption will actually accentuate his problem I guess - the smaller userbase will mean lesser bugs reported until it's too late.

why is this on slashdot? (0, Offtopic)

larry bagina (561269) | about 7 years ago | (#19868263)

news for nerds, stuff that matters. The AOL control panel not working in windows vista doesn't qualify as either.

Re:why is this on slashdot? (5, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | about 7 years ago | (#19868547)

An update in Vista breaking something rather major (the ability to uninstall shit), qualifies as both news (hasn't happened to any other version of Windows that I recall), and something that matters (plenty of people are using Vista, even if it's only because it came with their computer, so this is potentially affecting quite a few people). It quite firmly belongs on slashdot, thanks.

Re:why is this on slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868779)

you must be new here. everybody (and their grandmother) uses linux.

Nope (4, Funny)

thornomad (1095985) | about 7 years ago | (#19868267)

I used my uninstall button with Windows a long time ago. No problems since then.

other tools (2, Interesting)

Original Replica (908688) | about 7 years ago | (#19868273)

Does C-Cleaner still work? It's one of many tools out there to help "fix" Windows.

I found a better upgrade to XP... (0, Troll)

forgoil (104808) | about 7 years ago | (#19868279)

...bought myself a MacBook and it runs OS X beautifully. I used to be a Microsoft fanboy, Vista turned me into an Apple fanboy instead (Linux in turn turned me into a Microsoft one, and before that it was the Amiga, hmm, fickle is the love for OSes).

John

Re:I found a better upgrade to XP... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868343)

Wow, you are l33t! I bet women line up around the block to sleep with you. Oh wait, you use OS X. Sorry.

Re:I found a better upgrade to XP... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868515)

Actually... statistics show that OS X users DO get more women than windows users :-)

Re:I found a better upgrade to XP... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868601)

So, they're all lesbian, aren't they?

Re:I found a better upgrade to XP... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868377)

switcheur \'swi`ch &r\, n.
A person who thinks that they are a Mac user but are really just trying to be. The mistake they make is to try to become a Mac user, when real Mac users are all about not trying to be anything and following your own rules. There is no fashion code to being a Mac user. There are no rules as to what applications you have to run.

Recent converts like you are ruining the old school Mac community because you are posers. Apple releases one OS that popularizes Fitts' law and the Genie effect, and suddenly people assume being a Mac user is all about owning a Mac. But a real Mac user is born, not made. You "switchers" are misrepresenting yourselves and the Mac platform. You're giving people the wrong idea of what Macintosh is.

switcheur: shops at hot topic, thinks Firefox is a good Mac app, waiting for OS X port of PayrollPro 2000, follows any hint of a fashion trend (instead of setting them!), wouldn't know Clarus from Carl Sagan.

real Mac user: someone true to who they are, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules and they have no respect for the status quo. The ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world.

Technical support (4, Informative)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about 7 years ago | (#19868281)

Me thinks you need to call technical support instead of writing articles on Slashdot and your blog. Reason? I use Vista and I have an uninstall button for all the programs I have installed - and I've installed all the latest patches.

Re:Technical support (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | about 7 years ago | (#19868357)

I too have all patches installed and have an uninstall button.

Re:Technical support (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868543)

Mine too...Author's installation is hosed, plain and simple. Why is this on Slashdot??

Re:Technical support (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868595)

Here's a 0.50$ voucher to reimburse you for the 1 GB disk space you're losing because you can't uninstall programs. Also we're billing you $30 for this technical support call.

Re:Technical support (0, Redundant)

Stu101 (1031686) | about 7 years ago | (#19868753)

Call Microsoft, and £200 later maybe get a solution , if you get a decent tech?

so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868285)

since there's hardly any compatible software to install for Vista, the lack of an uninstall option can be regarded as a minor nusance at best.

a sign? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868299)

but everybody seems to be waiting patiently for a sign from Microsoft.

There has been a sign, they stuck two fingers up at everyone.

Re:a sign? (1)

empaler (130732) | about 7 years ago | (#19868517)

but everybody seems to be waiting patiently for a sign from Microsoft.

There has been a sign, they stuck two fingers up at everyone.
Did you just call everyone French?

Solution (0, Redundant)

monoqlith (610041) | about 7 years ago | (#19868307)

I too have encountered this problem, and have also found a solution.

1. Erase your primary hard drive.
2. Install a different operating system.

This will allow you to uninstall all of your programs.

Re:Solution (1)

binaryspiral (784263) | about 7 years ago | (#19868365)

I detected the humor in your post, but also you bring truth to the discussion.

Rarely, if ever, has a major OS upgrade over an older version (any OS, not just Microsoft's) resulted in a computer that was as stable and functional as a fresh install.

Re:Solution (1)

griffjon (14945) | about 7 years ago | (#19868681)

IAWTC - this totally worked for me. Also with a little work you can get much better eye candy on less powerful hardware, I've noticed.

Doesn't matter (0, Troll)

saibot834 (1061528) | about 7 years ago | (#19868311)

Doesn't matter. You'll have to re-install windows from time to time, anyway. Uninstalling programs works only via uninstalling Vista ;)

new microsoft user conversion program (4, Funny)

MrShaggy (683273) | about 7 years ago | (#19868321)

'All your base belong to us' No uninstall needed!

Is this from last patch Tuesday? (2, Informative)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | about 7 years ago | (#19868339)

I recently bought a laptop with Vista, and I've already uninstalled stuff after the last patch Tuesday. So, what the hell is the submitter talking about? P.S.: Before the flamewars start, first thing I did was install Ubuntu so I could dual boot. I use Vista only for: a) the occasional game and b) my university's wireless network, since, as of this time, I couldn't get the box to connect (authentication issues). I'll elaborate on this if someone wants me to.

Re:Is this from last patch Tuesday? (2)

node159 (636992) | about 7 years ago | (#19868659)

We, as the slashdot collective request a full inquiry and subsequent marching of to the gallows, in par with the US due process.

Re:Is this from last patch Tuesday? (0, Offtopic)

speedmalik (1128423) | about 7 years ago | (#19868665)

SAME WITH ME! I HAVE BOUGHT A DELL LAPTOP WITH VISTA ULTIMATE & REALISED THAT VISTA IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH MOST OF THE SOFTWARE APPLICATION EX: EVEN WITH NAV & MACAFEE. SO, I WAS LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TO FIND HOW TO INSTALL 2 OPERATION SYSTEMS - LIKE I WANT TO INSTALL XP & RUN ALL THE APPLICATION FROM THERE & KEEP VISTA AS A BACKUP! IS IT POSSIBLE & IF IN FUTURE WANT TO REMOVE THE XP & JUST STICK WITH VISTA?

Re:Is this from last patch Tuesday? (1)

node159 (636992) | about 7 years ago | (#19868715)

How the hell did that get past the spam filter, CmdrTaco?

m$ DRM must of choked (-1, Troll)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 7 years ago | (#19868347)

m$ DRM meant for there build in apps and media lock down must of choked and got turned on off all apps installed before the update or it just f*** up the uninstall part of the registry.

Re:m$ DRM must of choked (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868397)

Jesus. Yet another fucking FANBOI.

Re:m$ DRM must of choked (1)

Toreo asesino (951231) | about 7 years ago | (#19868445)

Christ, that's the most incomprehensible, flaming and irrelevant comment I've seen in a while. Welcome to Slashdot - you'll fit right in.

Re:m$ DRM must of choked (1)

empaler (130732) | about 7 years ago | (#19868551)

Christ, that's the most incomprehensible, flaming and irrelevant comment I've seen in a while. Welcome to Slashdot - you'll fit right in.
The funny thing about that is how close yours and his UIDs are. (Not that I really care about those, it's just like a rookie telling another rookie "Welcome! Now let me tell you all you need to know...")

Re:m$ DRM must of choked (1)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | about 7 years ago | (#19868717)

Why, thank you! Now, I don't see how something like saying I can't reproduce the bug which this whole article refers to is irrelevant. As for incomprehensible, I'll admit that it is, since Slashdot got rid of the paragraphs I had in it, because I forgot to choose to post the comment as plain text AND preview it. I also let some grammatical mistakes slip through, but bear in mind that English is not my mother language. Furthermore, I wasn't flaming anything or anyone in any way, nor can I see how one would think that I was.

And last, but not least, I don't need welcoming: I've been here for a while. Well. at least almost as long as you.

Re:m$ DRM must of choked (1)

sid0 (1062444) | about 7 years ago | (#19868479)

At least five grammatical errors. Better get your own house in order before spreading FUD. The best FUD-spreaders have proper English skills, I can grant them that. :P

Bashing? (3, Insightful)

dunezone (899268) | about 7 years ago | (#19868349)

Whats with all the comments about switching to another OS or some smart-ass comment about not using Windows?

When I was younger my best tactic for fixing a computer issue was to format. As I got older I realized that solution is impractical. Just like switching to another OS is impractical for most of us.

Re:Bashing? (5, Funny)

oztiks (921504) | about 7 years ago | (#19868521)

When I was younger my best tactic for fixing a computer issue was to format. As I got older I realized that solution is impractical. Just like switching to another OS is impractical for most of us.



So on that train of thought switching from XP to Vista is considered impractical, you'll get no argument from me on that one.

Re:Bashing? (2, Insightful)

Lisandro (799651) | about 7 years ago | (#19868633)

When I was younger my best tactic for fixing a computer issue was to format. As I got older I realized that solution is impractical.

Yeah, i guess that's why products like this [symantec.com] aren't popular at all with Windows users. Half of our office computers at work had Windows reinstalled atleast once, from scratch. This is all too common with Windows systems, in my experience.

I know that /. is renowed for it's anti-Windows slant, but sheeze, if it's broken, fix it. An OS that requires a full disc image to get working again every once in a while has a problem.

There's an open source patch for this ... (0, Redundant)

c1ay (703047) | about 7 years ago | (#19868367)

here [lqiso.org] ...

Or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868369)

But the company seems to have no clue or they would have fixed it already.
Or they're all busy fixing the Zune DRM.

This is only a minority problem... (5, Informative)

megla (859600) | about 7 years ago | (#19868385)

...and it's not exactly serious either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not annoying and I'm not suggesting it's acceptable, but for this to be on the front page of slashdot seems a bit over the top. Why?

  1. There is a known workaround (re-run the installation of the application you want to uninstall - the vast majority of the time you will be propted to select from adding features, repairing features or uninstalling the application)
  2. It's a pretty trivial bug which doesn't affect any critical systems or features
  3. It doesn't affect that many systems - I'm running 3 Vista x64 systems and none of them have this problem
This all seems a bit knee-jerk.

Re:This is only a minority problem... (1)

empaler (130732) | about 7 years ago | (#19868581)

3. It doesn't affect that many systems - I'm running 3 Vista x64 systems and none of them have this problem
This all seems a bit knee-jerk.
Just to counterargue your third point: if the problem is in the x32 version of the OS, then you would of course not have the same problem. Kneejerk reaction?

Re:This is only a minority problem... (1)

joe 155 (937621) | about 7 years ago | (#19868791)

actually if you actually look at link "two" above then you will see that the title of the forum post is

"Re: Cannot uninstall programs from Add/remove Programs in Vista Ultimate x64"

kneejerk reaction?

Re:This is only a minority problem... (1)

jkrise (535370) | about 7 years ago | (#19868705)

There is a known workaround (re-run the installation of the application you want to uninstall - the vast majority of the time you will be propted to select from adding features, repairing features or uninstalling the application)
It's a pretty trivial bug which doesn't affect any critical systems or features
It doesn't affect that many systems - I'm running 3 Vista x64 systems and none of them have this problem
You seem to know so much about this particular issue -- so probably you do tech support for Microsoft. But how would the average sysadmin go about acquiring the info. you just typed above? Which Microsoft certification will ensure that a properly qualified sysadmin has been chosen for the job of administering a Windows network?

Reading Slashdot and going through every response to every issue can be ery tedious - and counter-productive as well.

huh? its still there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868387)

They changed the name of "add/remove programs" to "Programs and Features" in Windows Vista from previous releases of windows. Are you sure you are looking for hte right shortcut?

why would (-1, Troll)

SolusSD (680489) | about 7 years ago | (#19868389)

why would anybody intentionally subject themselves to an OS like this? Lets see...
1. Buy Vista ($$$)
2. Buy screaming fast new hardware-- just to make it usable.
3. Buy Antivirus software ($$$)
4. Spend most of your time at your computer servicing the OS (virus scans, spyware scans, updates, security patches, et al)..
5. worth it?

Re:why would (1, Flamebait)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | about 7 years ago | (#19868511)

Stop being a freaking troll.

1.) You can get full installs of Vista for less than full versions of MacOS X.
2.) You can run Vista (without Aero) just fine on older hardware.
3.) There are quite a few FREE AV's out there that work fine.
4.) Build the computer, run Windows update. No different than any other OS with patches for the OS and applications.

Maybe if you stopped trolling you would see for most people, it is worth it...

of course just for saying the truth about Vista, I'll be modded down because some Slashdot people just can't handle little things like the truth...

Re:why would (2, Interesting)

SolusSD (680489) | about 7 years ago | (#19868567)

hm. maybe people would take your opinions more seriously if your alias wasn't msfanboi2. personally, my computing experience has been much more enjoyable since i switched to osx/linux at home and at work. if you've found a way to spend 50% of your time on windows maintaining it-- good for you.

UAC is the cause... (2, Informative)

Aphrika (756248) | about 7 years ago | (#19868391)

Could be some older programs are incompatible with the newer UAC security model. I've seen something similar in Windows XP whereby certain applications that required Power User or Administrator rights to uninstall had the button missing. Quicktime was a good example.

Best answer I can give; try logging in as Administrator (proper system administrator on Vista) and seeing if the uninstall buttons are there. Remember, if a program was written pre-UAC, chances are that it might misbehave and need full admin privs to remove. The other option is just to disable UAC for the duration of the uninstall, then re-enable it. I'm assuming you've researched and tried these simple fixes already though. Right?

No worse than OS X (4, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 7 years ago | (#19868401)

One thing that really bothered me on OS X was its complete and total lack of an uninstall feature. This was especially annoying, as I'd hoped that the "drag to trash" was really a fancy GUI for some sort of real package manager.

I mean, sure, if your app is entirely self-contained, you can just drag it from Applications to Trash and be done with it -- at least that's no worse than Linux, where per-user preferences are left alone, but nobody really cares, since it's only a few K of disk space and doesn't affect anything else.

But what do you do about the random app that installs kernel extensions, browser extensions, and generally insinuates itself among all your stuff? You know, the cool stuff like Insomnia, the SMS-to-HID driver, or the force-any-window-to-fullscreen extension? Or even multi-desktops, or something as simple as a VPN?

Often, the uninstall instructions for these are at least as complicated and unnecessary as anything you hear people complaining about for installing software on Linux.

Oh wait, I forgot -- there's a proud Mac tradition of making you pay $20, $50, or $100 for random bits of third-party software to implement stuff that should have been in the OS to begin with. In the past, it was things like dynamic RAM allocation and swap space [lowendmac.com] , and now, it's an uninstaller [lifehacker.com] .

(You could complain that Windows is the same way, needing third-party stuff like anti-virus, but most of what you need on Windows is either bundled with the OS or available for free, often open source. And you don't really need anti-virus. On the Mac, it's always this truly basic functionality that I guess isn't needed by people who want it to "just work".)

In any case, mod me offtopic if you will, but maybe this proves that Apple was right not to include an uninstaller. Maybe most people just don't need to uninstall anything, ever, so it's too much work to include yet another feature that may confuse grandma, even if it makes us geeks grind our teeth at the mere thought...

Re:No worse than OS X (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868475)

Good job of blaming the OS for developer problems. Apple clearly states that any app which is installed via pkg should come with an easy to use uninstaller or be able to be uninstalled via the original pkg. Given the choice between having the OS force a database for all applications or having two choices for application install, dmg (etc...) for self contained-drag and drop install/uninstall and pkg (for things that require elevated privs or scripts), I'd surely take the one with multiple options.

Re:No worse than OS X (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868493)

...the force-any-window-to-fullscreen extension...
Still looking for the "maximize" button when your Mac has "zoom" [apple.com] instead? Take the hint, switcheurs: If you can't cope with multiple windows, GTFO. The Mac wasn't designed for one-track minds.

I'd hoped that the "drag to trash" was really a fancy GUI for some sort of real package manager.

The only thing more pathetic than a PC user is a PC user trying to be a Mac user. We have a name for you people: switcheurs.

There's a good reason for your vexation at the Mac's user interface: You don't speak its language. Remember that the Mac was designed by artists [atspace.com] , for artists [atspace.com] , be they poets [atspace.com] , musicians [atspace.com] , or avant-garde mathematicians [atspace.com] . A shiny new Mac can introduce your frathouse hovel to a modicum of good taste, but it can't make Mac users out of dweebs [atspace.com] and squares [atspace.com] like you.

So don't force what doesn't come naturally. You'll be much happier if you stick to an OS that suits your personality. And you'll be doing the rest of us a favor, too; you leave Macs to Mac users, and we'll leave beige to you.

Re:No worse than OS X (1)

DaleGlass (1068434) | about 7 years ago | (#19868711)

The only thing more pathetic than a PC user is a PC user trying to be a Mac user. We have a name for you people: switcheurs.


We have a name for you as well [penny-arcade.com] :-)

Re:No worse than OS X (1)

resequenced (656161) | about 7 years ago | (#19868621)

Maybe most people just don't need to uninstall anything, ever, so it's too much work to include yet another feature that may confuse grandma, even if it makes us geeks grind our teeth at the mere thought..
This might be exactly why something like this doesn't exist in Mas OS X. In my own case, I've never installed and then had to uninstall an application where this might matter. Ever application I've downloaded or found, I've kept, which is a pretty amazing crap considering how much crap I've installed and subsequently uninstalled while running Windows.

It's worth mentioning that I'm generally very leery about installing any application that isn't just a drag-and-drop into my Applications folder, and this might be the reason why. At least I know that if it doesn't work out, I can just trash it and no harm done.

Re:No worse than OS X (1)

el_chupanegre (1052384) | about 7 years ago | (#19868661)

And you don't really need anti-virus

How can this be modded informative after a statement like that? Good luck with that...

But what do you do about the random app that installs kernel extensions, browser extensions, and generally insinuates itself among all your stuff?

All major apps that do this sort of thing on OSX come with an uninstaller script (Parallels, XCode). If you installed an app that does some major stuff to your OS that doesn't supply an uninstaller, I think I would blame the user rather than the OS

Re:No worse than OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868787)

Wait. So now the user needs to be an expert in the operating system in order to use the software "properly"? I thought OS X fixed all that and everything "just works"?

Re:No worse than OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868693)

In any case, mod me offtopic if you will, but maybe this proves that Apple was right not to include an uninstaller. Maybe most people just don't need to uninstall anything, ever, so it's too much work to include yet another feature that may confuse grandma, even if it makes us geeks grind our teeth at the mere thought...

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Re:No worse than OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868707)

Maybe your problem is that you're too much of a control freak in all the wrong dimensions. You should learn to relax when it comes to the exact state of your system—the cares and worries of real Mac users transcend implementation details. You PC refugees, on the other hand, are so obsessed by the mechanisms of your labor that you lose sight of the ends, if ever you had any. Typical, though, of the petty literal-minded autistics that dominate the Windows world. The Mac programming culture is such that things generally play along without the user having to be such a fucking anal-retentive prick.

Eh? (-1, Troll)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 7 years ago | (#19868415)

GNU/Linux and other Open Source patches have NEVER screwed up anything. Ever.

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868773)

Good Lord. FanBois sure have THIN FUCKING SKIN!

Vista is a strange beast (0, Offtopic)

PingXao (153057) | about 7 years ago | (#19868417)

Vista, aka Windows ME II, is strange. I think it's not being adopted more than MS is letting on, at least with existing installed systems. The growth will be pretty much limited to pre-installs on new PCs AFACT.

Another weird thing: everyone and their mother recommended waiting for the first Service Pack before taking the plunge. It was accepted as common knowledge that MS was working furiously on Vista SP1. "A few months", is what I heard early in January. Now here we are 6 months later and not a peep.

Personally, I went out and bought another 2 copies of XP Professional for future use. Vista? No thanks, no way, no how.

Nope (1)

bernywork (57298) | about 7 years ago | (#19868425)

I got an uninstall button

I do not have this issue (2)

sqlguy33 (898340) | about 7 years ago | (#19868491)

I have all the latest patches, and mine works fine. Nothing to see here move along.... As a side note. I have been running Vista Ultimate since the day I could purchase it. I upgraded my primary computer from Windows XP and have yet to have it crash once. I leave it running almost 24 hours a day. I have never had an issue with Windows since I got away from the ME edition, which was the worst OS ever. My guess is most people who have computer issues also download every toolbar form the internet, and spend a lot of time trying to shoot the target, capture the monkey, and click on every pop-up that appears. Maybe I am one of the few people who have had no issues with Xp, or Vista. I also run a linux server for my home Domain, and file shares, as well as my firewall. Now I will go back to my humble cave, as I am sure I will be banned from /. for my pro windows view.

is this a meme? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868495)

I and the rest of the universe get proven retarded in a mind contest conspiracy against one guy who whoops our asses and shit!

Power (3, Informative)

delirium of disorder (701392) | about 7 years ago | (#19868519)

"everybody seems to be waiting patiently for a sign from Microsoft."

This is one of the major problems with proprietary software. You're entirely dependent on the copyright holder and need to wait for them to find and fix any bugs. If you run Windows, you don't even have control over the basic functionality of your software.

Free software empowers users. We all know that if you're a coder, you can fix free software yourself, but more importantly, if you run an organization that depends on the software, you can pay someone to fix it. When university department heads and corporate IT managers start realizing how they can get what they need done, when they need it, they'll make the switch. Waiting for a monopoly to get it's shit together means billions in lost revenue. Letting several companies bid and compete to find the fastest, cheapest, and most effective solutions means a more efficient IT industry as a whole.

Uninstall Programs in Windows VISTA (1)

tjm1968 (1128415) | about 7 years ago | (#19868527)

It took me a while to find the solution to this one. Microsoft renamed the old Add/Remove Progams feature. It is now located in the Control Panel/Programs and Features control panel. I've installed and uninstalled several programs through it and it has worked just fine. Good luck.

FUD Article (5, Insightful)

Fanboys_Suck_Dick (1128411) | about 7 years ago | (#19868563)

A Google search returns quite a few hits on this issue

Translation: a grand total of 5 users say they are experiencing this problem, probably including the author of this story.

After reading the posts linked in the article it seems the problem might be related to Yahoo toolbar crapware being installed on the PCs. You can use use system restore to fix the problem. Stop clicking "accept" when UAC warns you not to install crapware. Stop posting Vista FUD stories to Slashdot. Thank you.

Nope. (1)

Pyrion (525584) | about 7 years ago | (#19868569)

Getting the uninstall menu just fine in Vista x64 post-this month's patch tuesday.

Good case for using a VM (1)

khb (266593) | about 7 years ago | (#19868573)

Like VMware or Parallels. Snapshot before any update, if you don't like the result just restore to the snapshot image.

Also handles pesky issues like the claimed inability to really wipe data ... you can always blow away virtual disk images.

Re:Good case for using a VM (1)

Pyrion (525584) | about 7 years ago | (#19868651)

What, you mean inability to delete shadow copies? Just turn off system restore and then delete the files in question.

Issues (1)

nytrokiss (1097437) | about 7 years ago | (#19868589)

There are some well known issues uninstalling some software in vista! SOnic dla comes to mind becuase it can only be uninstalled in sface mode using safemsi...

This warrants a topic? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868637)

Just when you thought Slashdot couldn't get any worse. A handful of people have a problem uninstalling some programs and the fud merchants jump in with cries of "OMG LOZ U KANT UNINSTOL PROGRAMZ ON M$ VISTA(DRM EDITION LOLZ)".

If I go find a small amount of people on the Apple help forums, or maybe over on the official Ubuntu forums, that are having difficulties from a software update, can I have my own Slashdot story too? Oh pretty please!!!

Why? (1)

polyex (736819) | about 7 years ago | (#19868643)

Why do people put up with this sort of stuff? I mean computers are supposed to be both fun and practical. If what the poster is saying is true, its really ridiculous that a multi-billion dollar selling product would be so shoddy. I find it surprising that people who know well before purchasing Windows that MS is legendary with the number of bugs etc in Windows but continue to use the product and have the audacity to act surprised when Microsoft acts like Microsoft. Is anyone delusional enough to believe that MS will somehow improve change one damn thing for the benefit of the customer except as a reaction to what a Apple or whoever is doing or to rope you into some strategy not yet revealed to benefit MS only down the road? This is fine for Microsoft and is obviously making them richer. But truly, what does it do for you? For 15 or whatever I see people continue to adapt themselves to Microsoft rather than MS adapting to the customer (or even you masochists out there promoting this stuff as acceptable because of the monopoly)? Until it gets so bad that the product is just completely one sided to the detriment of the customer or the alternatives are strong enough for people to chance moving to them, Microsoft will continue to be Microsoft. Neither evil or good, just not looking out for you, so no - I am not surprised and I wont be when yet another ridiculous MS Windows bug is posted here on Slashdot. I am only surprised that a situation like this is allowed and even considered normal for years and years now.

No removing of hotfix installers (1)

Osvaldo Doederlein (34220) | about 7 years ago | (#19868669)

Another thing that bothers me: on Win2K and XP, after every batch of monthly hotfix updates I would delete the hidden Windows/KBxxxx directories that the hotfixes create with their uninstallers and backups of replaced files. I do that because I never, ever, remove any such updates, from small hotfixes to huge service packs (downgrading is for losers)... so, why wasting disk space with their uninstallers? Now on Vista I cannot do that anymore, because its Windows/* file organization is orders of magnitude larger, more complex and more obscure than ever before. I tried to identify which files and directories contain hotfix uninstallation data, but it's a mess, I'd take a lot of time to identify those files (I know how to do that, e.,g. with ProcMon logs) and I'd still fear breaking the whole OS if I remove or update any files manually.

Well, Vista is so big in the disk that wasting a few dozen Mb with unwanted uninstallers does not seem like a big deal anymore. But it IS a big deal when an OS's base file structure becomes so stupidly complex, that some body like me (Windows user since 3.0, ex-sysadmin, and skilled software developer) is too scared to touch it with his bare hands...

Here's another one (0, Offtopic)

Metasquares (555685) | about 7 years ago | (#19868727)

Slightly offtopic, but while we're disclosing weird Windows bugs...

Type (1+1=) into the Windows Vista calculator. It won't work for any other versions of Windows. A recent patch seemed to do something about it, but only in the sense of changing the crash that resulted to an abort or false assertion (which just crashes in a different way).

Re:Here's another one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19868805)

Hmmm, if you need calc.exe to calculate 1+1 then it might be better for you to stay away from computers... :o)

No, it's a UI problem (1)

Henry V .009 (518000) | about 7 years ago | (#19868763)

The uninstall button appears when you click on the application you want to uninstall.
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