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PSP-Slim Hands On

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the lite-vs.-slim dept.

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fistfullast33l writes "PSPFanboy, a Joystiq blog, has a great closeup of the new PSP redesign. Photos show the old PSP and the new PSP side by side. Modifications include adding more RAM (up to 64MB), extended battery life, a new UMD loading door, removal of the IR port (Sony really hates infrared), and a redesigned headphone jack to support video output. Sony confirmed that you will be able to play movies and games through the video out, but the games can only be viewable via component, not composite cables. Also, 0okm has some nice pictures of the new PSP internals as well as a manual snapshot showing button layout (the wireless switch was moved) and TV out information." Gamasutra has the news that the slim-line is due out on September 20th in Japan.

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Other important (non)-feature.. (1, Troll)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888267)

All signs are pointing to the PSP-2000 being locked down so as to prevent homebrew (or Linux) running on it.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (4, Informative)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888337)

Actually, it's been proven to use the TA-085 motherboard, which CAN run homebrew.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (2, Informative)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888649)

You're aware that this hasn't shipped yet, right?

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888695)

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (3, Insightful)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888761)

Can't read that site from work here, however, it's likely a spec sheet / preview sheet based on a preview/press model. Given that Sony is now well known for changing hardware mid-production (see - no more Emotion engine chip) - I wouldn't give these preview specs too much weight until the final products ship.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888865)

Actually it's a picture of the internals of the new PSP - very similar in fact to the article I linked in the summary regarding 0oku. So it's not actually a press sheet, it's the actual working hardware that they're basing the specs on.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (-1, Troll)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888903)

You are nitpicking something that he is actually sourcing...when your OP just spews out FUD with no source. The sad little life of the anti-fanboy.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889919)

His point is that you can't PROVE it will run homebrew until they are in the hands of those who will try. Even if it's the same hardware, there's firmware to worry about. Given Sony's track record in the past with revisions of hacked systems, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if downgrading the firmware on the PSP Slim would brick it.

It's nothing about fanboi/non-fanboi and everything about spreading potentially false information. We'll know with PROOF if it plays nice with homebrew likely within a few hours of it hitting the streets.

If it winds up to run homebrew flawlessly that's a good thing, isn't it? Which sane people would be against that? No one. But some of us like hard facts instead of analysts and conjecture.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (1)

the_tsi (19767) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888871)

Pokemon friend code in a sig is brilliant. I'm totally jumping on that bandwagon.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (1)

Samedi1971 (194079) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889559)

It does NOT use the same motherboard. The TA-085 is a CHIP, not a motherboard, and there's no guarantee that they disn't secure the firmware in some new way. It would be silly to release a new hardware spec and not at least try somthing new to secure it.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (0)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888417)

I don't have a PSP, but I'm fairly sure Sony thought those were locked down pretty well too.

Or are you referring to some specific new anti-homebrew feature?

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (3, Insightful)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888741)

Sony hasn't supported homebrew since PSP firmware 1.0...no reason to expect them to support it now.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19889789)

Sony have never supported homebrew on the PSP. The first firmwares just didn't implement any lockout.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889175)

Just wait until the PSN downloads are fully up and running...there are sure to be plenty of holes found there. No console or handheld has ever been hackproof, hack resistant sure, but the challenge only seems to make the pirates and homebrew crowd work harder.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19889299)

Thank goodness we have the DS Lite which is oh so homebrew friendly.

Re:Other important (non)-feature.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19889401)

If this model retains the same Allegrex as in the current model, you're limited to uClinux anyway (no MMU).

FIST SPORT (1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888275)

Inhale.

Take in as much air as you can. This story should last about as long as you can hold your breath, and then just a little bit longer. So listen as fast as you can.

A friend of mine, when he was 13 years old he heard about "pegging." This is when a guy gets banged up the butt with a dildo. Stimulate the prostate gland hard enough, and the rumor is you can have explosive hands-free orgasms. At that age, this friend's a little sex maniac. He's always jonesing for a better way to get his rocks off. He goes out to buy a carrot and some petroleum jelly. To conduct a little private research. Then he pictures how it's going to look at the supermarket checkout counter, the lonely carrot and petroleum jelly rolling down the conveyer belt toward the grocery store cashier. All the shoppers waiting in line, watching. Everyone seeing the big evening he has planned.

So my friend, he buys milk and eggs and sugar and a carrot, all the ingredients for a carrot cake. And Vaseline.

Like he's going home to stick a carrot cake up his butt.

At home, he whittles the carrot into a blunt tool. He slathers it with grease and grinds his ass down on it. Then, nothing. No orgasm. Nothing happens except it hurts.

Then, this kid, his mom yells it's supper time. She says to come down, right now.

He works the carrot out and stashes the slippery, filthy thing in the dirty clothes under his bed.

After dinner, he goes to find the carrot, and it's gone. All his dirty clothes, while he ate dinner, his mom grabbed them all to do laundry. No way could she not find the carrot, carefully shaped with a paring knife from her kitchen, still shiny with lube and stinky.

This friend of mine, he waits months under a black cloud, waiting for his folks to confront him. And they never do. Ever. Even now that he's grown up, that invisible carrot hangs over every Christmas dinner, every birthday party. Every Easter egg hunt with his kids, his parents' grandkids, that ghost carrot is hovering over all of them. That something too awful to name.

People in France have a phrase: "staircase wit." In French: esprit de l'escalier. It means that moment when you find the answer, but it's too late. Say you're at a party and someone insults you. You have to say something. So under pressure, with everybody watching, you say something lame. But the moment you leave the party....

As you start down the stairway, then-magic. You come up with the perfect thing you should've said. The perfect crippling put-down.

That's the spirit of the stairway.

The trouble is, even the French don't have a phrase for the stupid things you actually do say under pressure. Those stupid, desperate things you actually think or do.

Some deeds are too low to even get a name. Too low to even get talked about.

Looking back, kid-psych experts, school counselors now say that most of the last peak in teen suicide was kids trying to choke while they beat off. Their folks would find them, a towel twisted around their kid's neck, the towel tied to the rod in their bedroom closet, the kid dead. Dead sperm everywhere. Of course the folks cleaned up. They put some pants on their kid. They made it look ... better. Intentional at least. The regular kind of sad teen suicide.

Another friend of mine, a kid from school, his older brother in the Navy said how guys in the Middle East jack off different than we do here. This brother was stationed in some camel country where the public market sells what could be fancy letter openers. Each fancy tool is just a thin rod of polished brass or silver, maybe as long as your hand, with a big tip at one end, either a big metal ball or the kind of fancy carved handle you'd see on a sword. This Navy brother says how Arab guys get their dick hard and then insert this metal rod inside the whole length of their boner. They jack off with the rod inside, and it makes getting off so much better. More intense.

It's this big brother who travels around the world, sending back French phrases. Russian phrases. Helpful jack-off tips.

After this, the little brother, one day he doesn't show up at school. That night, he calls to ask if I'll pick up his homework for the next couple weeks. Because he's in the hospital.

He's got to share a room with old people getting their guts worked on. He says how they all have to share the same television. All he's got for privacy is a curtain. His folks don't come and visit. On the phone, he says how right now his folks could just kill his big brother in the Navy.

On the phone, the kid says how-the day before-he was just a little stoned. At home in his bedroom, he was flopped on the bed. He was lighting a candle and flipping through some old porno magazines, getting ready to beat off. This is after he's heard from his Navy brother. That helpful hint about how Arabs beat off. The kid looks around for something that might do the job. A ballpoint pen's too big. A pencil's too big and rough. But dripped down the side of the candle, there's a thin, smooth ridge of wax that just might work. With just the tip of one finger, this kid snaps the long ridge of wax off the candle. He rolls it smooth between the palms of his hands. Long and smooth and thin.

Stoned and horny, he slips it down inside, deeper and deeper into the piss slit of his boner. With a good hank of the wax still poking out the top, he gets to work.

Even now, he says those Arab guys are pretty damn smart. They've totally reinvented jacking off. Flat on his back in bed, things are getting so good, this kid can't keep track of the wax. He's one good squeeze from shooting his wad when the wax isn't sticking out anymore.

The thin wax rod, it's slipped inside. All the way inside. So deep inside he can't even feel the lump of it inside his piss tube.

From downstairs, his mom shouts it's supper time. She says to come down, right now. This wax kid and the carrot kid are different people, but we all live pretty much the same life.

It's after dinner when the kid's guts start to hurt. It's wax, so he figured it would just melt inside him and he'd pee it out. Now his back hurts. His kidneys. He can't stand straight.

This kid talking on the phone from his hospital bed, in the background you can hear bells ding, people screaming. Game shows.

The X-rays show the truth, something long and thin, bent double inside his bladder. This long, thin V inside him, it's collecting all the minerals in his piss. It's getting bigger and rougher, coated with crystals of calcium, it's bumping around, ripping up the soft lining of his bladder, blocking his piss from getting out. His kidneys are backed up. What little that leaks out his dick is red with blood.

This kid and his folks, his whole family, them looking at the black X-ray with the doctor and the nurses standing there, the big V of wax glowing white for everybody to see, he has to tell the truth. The way Arabs get off. What his big brother wrote him from the Navy.

On the phone, right now, he starts to cry.

They paid for the bladder operation with his college fund. One stupid mistake, and now he'll never be a lawyer.

Sticking stuff inside yourself. Sticking yourself inside stuff. A candle in your dick or your head in a noose, we knew it was going to be big trouble.

What got me in trouble, I called it Pearl Diving. This meant whacking off underwater, sitting on the bottom at the deep end of my parents' swimming pool. With one deep breath, I'd kick my way to the bottom and slip off my swim trucks. I'd sit down there for two, three, four minutes.

Just from jacking off I had huge lung capacity. If I had the house to myself, I'd do this all afternoon. After I'd finally pump out my stuff, my sperm, it would hang there in big, fat, milky gobs.

After that was more diving, to catch it all. To collect it and wipe each handful in a towel. That's why it was called Pearl Diving. Even with chlorine, there was my sister to worry about. Or, Christ almighty, my mom.

That used to be my worst fear in the world: my teenage virgin sister, thinking she's just getting fat, then giving birth to a two-headed, retard baby. Both heads looking just like me. Me, the father and the uncle. In the end, it's never what you worry about that gets you.

The best part of Pearl Diving was the inlet port for the swimming pool filter and the circulation pump. The best part was getting naked and sitting on it.

As the French would say, Who doesn't like getting their butt sucked? Still, one minute you're just a kid getting off, and the next minute you'll never be a lawyer.

One minute I'm settling on the pool bottom and the sky is wavy, light blue through eight feet of water above my head. The world is silent except for the heartbeat in my ears. My yellowstriped swim trunks are looped around my neck for safe keeping, just in case a friend, a neighbor, anybody shows up to ask why I skipped football practice. The steady suck of the pool inlet hole is lapping at me and I'm grinding my skinny white ass around on that feeling.

One minute I've got enough air and my dick's in my hand. My folks are gone at their work and my sister's got ballet. Nobody's supposed to be home for hours.

My hand brings me right to getting off, and I stop. I swim up to catch another big breath. I dive down and settle on the bottom.

I do this again and again.

This must be why girls want to sit on your face. The suction is like taking a dump that never ends. My dick hard and getting my butt eaten out, I do not need air. My heartbeat in my ears, I stay under until bright stars of light start worming around in my eyes. My legs straight out, the back of each knee rubbed raw against the concrete bottom. My toes are turning blue, my toes and fingers wrinkled from being so long in the water.

And then I let it happen. The big white gobs start spouting. The pearls. It's then I need some air. But when I go to kick off against the bottom, I can't. I can't get my feet under me. My ass is stuck.

Emergency paramedics will tell you that every year about 150 people get stuck this way, sucked by a circulation pump. Get your long hair caught, or your ass, and you're going to drown. Every year, tons of people do. Most of them in Florida.

People just don't talk about it. Not even French people talk about everything. Getting one knee up, getting one foot tucked under me, I get to half standing when I feel the tug against my butt. Getting my other foot under me, I kick off against the bottom. I'm kicking free, not touching the concrete, but not getting to the air, either.

Still kicking water, thrashing with both arms, I'm maybe halfway to the surface but not going higher. The heartbeat inside my head getting loud and fast.

The bright sparks of light crossing and crisscrossing my eyes, I turn and look back ... but it doesn't make sense. This thick rope, some kind of snake, bluewhite and braided with veins, has come up out of the pool drain and it's holding on to my butt. Some of the veins are leaking blood, red blood that looks black underwater and drifts away from little rips in the pale skin of the snake. The blood trails away, disappearing in the water, and inside the snake's thin, bluewhite skin you can see lumps of some half-digested meal.

That's the only way this makes sense. Some horrible sea monster, a sea serpent, something that's never seen the light of day, it's been hiding in the dark bottom of the pool drain, waiting to eat me.

So ...I kick at it, at the slippery, rubbery knotted skin and veins of it, and more of it seems to pull out of the pool drain. It's maybe as long as my leg now, but still holding tight around my butthole. With another kick, I'm an inch closer to getting another breath. Still feeling the snake tug at my ass, I'm an inch closer to my escape.

Knotted inside the snake, you can see corn and peanuts. You can see a long bright-orange ball. It's the kind of horsepill vitamin my dad makes me take, to help put on weight. To get a football scholarship. With extra iron and omegathree fatty acids.

It's seeing that vitamin pill that saves my life.

It's not a snake. It's my large intestine, my colon pulled out of me. What doctors call prolapsed. It's my guts sucked into the drain.

Paramedics will tell you a swimming pool pump pulls 80 gallons of water every minute. That's about 400 pounds of pressure. The big problem is we're all connected together inside. Your ass is just the far end of your mouth. If I let go, the pump keeps working-unraveling my insides-until it's got my tongue. Imagine taking a 400-pound shit and you can see how this might turn you inside out.

What I can tell you is your guts don't feel much pain. Not the way your skin feels pain. The stuff you're digesting, doctors call it fecal matter. Higher up is chyme, pockets of a thin, runny mess studded with corn and peanuts and round green peas.

That's all this soup of blood and corn, shit and sperm and peanuts floating around me. Even with my guts unraveling out my ass, me holding on to what's left, even then my first want is to somehow get my swimsuit back on.

God forbid my folks see my dick.

My one hand holding a fist around my ass, my other hand snags my yellowstriped swim trunks and pulls them from around my neck. Still, getting into them is impossible.

You want to feel your intestines, go buy a pack of those lambskin condoms. Take one out and unroll it. Pack it with peanut butter. Smear it with petroleum jelly and hold it under water. Then try to tear it. Try to pull it in half. It's too tough and rubbery. It's so slimy you can't hold on.

A lambskin condom, that's just plain old intestine.

You can see what I'm up against.

You let go for a second and you're gutted.

You swim for the surface, for a breath, and you're gutted.

You don't swim and you drown.

It's a choice between being dead right now or a minute from right now.

What my folks will find after work is a big naked fetus, curled in on itself. Floating in the cloudy water of their backyard pool. Tethered to the bottom by a thick rope of veins and twisted guts. The opposite of a kid hanging himself to death while he jacks off. This is the baby they brought home from the hospital 13 years ago. Here's the kid they hoped would snag a football scholarship and get an MBA. Who'd care for them in their old age. Here's all their hopes and dreams. Floating here, naked and dead. All around him, big milky pearls of wasted sperm.

Either that or my folks will find me wrapped in a bloody towel, collapsed halfway from the pool to the kitchen telephone, the ragged, torn scrap of my guts still hanging out the leg of my yellowstriped swim trunks.

What even the French won't talk about.

That big brother in the Navy, he taught us one other good phrase. A Russian phrase. The way we say, "I need that like I need a hole in my head...," Russian people say, "I need that like I need teeth in my asshole......

Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

Those stories about how animals caught in a trap will chew off their leg, well, any coyote would tell you a couple bites beats the hell out of being dead.

Hell... even if you're Russian, someday you just might want those teeth.

Otherwise, what you have to do is you have to twist around. You hook one elbow behind your knee and pull that leg up into your face. You bite and snap at your own ass. You run out of air and you will chew through anything to get that next breath.

It's not something you want to tell a girl on the first date. Not if you expect a kiss good night. If I told you how it tasted, you would never, ever again eat calamari.

It's hard to say what my parents were more disgusted by: how I'd got in trouble or how I'd saved myself. After the hospital, my mom got scared. And said "You're moving with your Auntie and Uncle in Bel-Air."

I whistled for a cab and when it came near. The license plate said "fresh" and there were dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare. But I thought "nah forget it, yo Holmes, to Bel-Air!"

I pulled up to a house about seven or eight. And I yelled to the cabby "yo Holmes, smell you later". Looked at my kingdom, I was finally there. To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air.

All those people grossed out or feeling sorry for me....

I need that like I need teeth in my asshole.

Nowadays, people always tell me I look too skinny. People at dinner parties get all quiet and pissed off when I don't eat the pot roast they cooked. Pot roast kills me. Baked ham. Anything that hangs around inside my guts for longer than a couple of hours, it comes out still food. Home-cooked lima beans or chunk light tuna fish, I'll stand up and find it still sitting there in the toilet.

After you have a radical bowel resectioning, you don't digest meat so great. Most people, you have five feet of large intestine. I'm lucky to have my six inches. So I never got a football scholarship. Never got an MBA. Both my friends, the wax kid and the carrot kid, they grew up, got big, but I've never weighed a pound more than I did that day when I was 13.

Another big problem was my folks paid a lot of good money for that swimming pool. In the end my dad just told the pool guy it was a dog. The family dog fell in and drowned. The dead body got pulled into the pump. Even when the pool guy cracked open the filter casing and fished out a rubbery tube, a watery hank of intestine with a big orange vitamin pill still inside, even then my dad just said, "That dog was fucking nuts."

Even from my upstairs bedroom window, you could hear my dad say, "We couldn't trust that dog alone for a second...."

Then my sister missed her period.

Even after they changed the pool water, after they sold the house and we moved to another state, after my sister's abortion, even then my folks never mentioned it again.

Ever.

That is our invisible carrot.

You. Now you can take a good, deep breath.

I still have not.

Video out (2, Interesting)

68030 (215387) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888343)

It would be nice to see some sort of standardized, low-range, wireless digital video transfer protocol, then let the receiver worry about composite, component, HDMI, etc. I've noticed the references to the terrestrial digital video streams in Europe and the like... Sure would be nice to stick a powerful computer (or in this case console) in another room and a dongle on the DVI out and have a set top box that lets me switch streams like channels, without having to run wires.

Somehow I doubt that would work well for battery life though.

Re:Video out (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888369)

I think UWB (ultra wide band) is going to be doing this.

Re:Video out (1)

Chouonsoku (1009817) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888507)

Well, if you're doing it at home you could always leave the PSP charging while streaming.

No IR? (2, Funny)

Chouonsoku (1009817) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888443)

How the hell am I going to screw with people's TVs and them not know it's me if I don't just look like I'm playing a video game?

WRONG MOVE SONY!

As an added bonus (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19888451)

you get a free Sony rootkit with every PSP-slim order. This Sony Rootkit will install itself over WiFi to your Windows system through the exploit of the week. Wait, there's more. It will even install itself to other Windows Computers through the same exploit.

No composite video for games?? (3, Interesting)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888515)

What the hell? Why not?

Around where I live (Canada), I've never even seen a TV that takes component cables. Don't virtually all older TVs in North America take only composite? I thought the point of this was to make it into a sort of portable console; what's the point if you can't just plug it into any TV?

This is so incredibly frustrating. I was all excited [slashdot.org] about the new PSP, and now I find it won't even work on my TV. Why didn't they tell us this in the presentation? Did they think we weren't going to notice?

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888539)

They do make component-to-composite converters.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888783)

Really? Because I can't find any online. And how much would such a device cost? Most video converters run anywhere from $300 to $800.

I did however find a lot of people asking this on forums, and people often recommend converting component to VGA, then VGA to composite. That runs at about a thousand dollars. Seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Re:No composite video for games?? (0)

Hangin10 (704729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19891303)

Re:No composite video for games?? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19892891)

I own that box. It only accepts composite and S-Video in. No dice. And the other guy links to a TV? Now there's convenience... I'll just shove a 27" TV in my bag and cart that everywhere I go, why the hell not?

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888675)

Around where I live (Canada), I've never even seen a TV that takes component cables.
What the ....? Go to FutureShop, all TVs have had those for years. I think you're confused with something else.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888967)

Go to FutureShop, all TVs have had those for years.
How many years? We're not all rich, and we don't all own new HDTVs. I live in a college house with 6 guys, and there are three TVs in our house; none of them take component.

For it to be a portable console, it should work on any hand-me-down TV. If I'm going to have a TV in my room, I would expect the TV-out to work on it. It's no good if it only works on the new TV in parents' living rooms.

Mostly I'm just pissed off that Sony lied to us again. For once I was excited about their products, but between this and the PS3 price drop fiasco [slashdot.org] , we're starting to see all the goodwill they gained at E3 being washed away.

Re:No composite video for games?? (0, Troll)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889049)

Getting a wee bit pissy just for the sake of being pissy aren't we?

a) composit component converters are cheap...good chance the unit will even come with one and
b) where the fuck did they lie to you? Hmm?

You're taking this awfully personally, it is after all just a hunk of plastic, chips and wires. Don't have a heart attack mmkay?

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889397)

a) If these do exist, please, link. I searched online and I could not find one; what I did find however is a lot of other people looking for the same thing.

b) They said several times throughout E3, in their main presentation and in various interviews, that it would support TV-out gaming through composite. It does not. They flat out lied.

Re:No composite video for games?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19891411)

Link please.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Retric (704075) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889449)

A cheep DVD player or VCR does the same thing for 20-50$.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Darundal (891860) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889499)

Actually, the fact that the cables will not be included with the unit, as well as the fact that they are supporting both, and thus are likely to be selling both themselves, makes it unlikely that they will be including a converter with the PSP unit itself OR it's add-on cables.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Conception (212279) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889255)

I bought a brand new 27" HDTV with component for 300 bucks... if you can throw down 200 bucks for a portable gaming system a tv with component you can grab a new TV. If you're all about hand me downs, maybe you shouldn't be picking up bleeding edge tech?

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889325)

If I can afford a $170 portable gaming system, I may as well pay triple that to replace my TV along with it? Sure, that makes sense.

Re:No composite video for games?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19890007)

Maybe you can live without the tv-out and stop whining that they didn't include an RF modulator to plug it into the antenna cable too.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

GoodbyeBlueSky1 (176887) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889837)

I'm still pissed off that the RF adapter for the NES would connect to my grandparents' 9" Black and White TV from the 50s! Also there's no interface between my toaster and my keyboard, how dare Logitech not provide that functionality!!

If you want TV output on your PSP 2.0, go buy a component-to-composite adapter. And stop whining.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

GreenEnvy22 (1046790) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890483)

Uh, my 4 year old P.O.S 27" tube TV, from Futureshops inhouse Prima brand, has component and composite inputs.
My new 40" Samsung LCD has plenty of both

The OP is either trying to make Canada look behind in tech for some reason, or just is clueless to the world around him.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890863)

For it to be a portable console, it should work on any hand-me-down TV.
Doesn't a hand-me-down TV have only RF input, not even (baseband) composite video input?

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#19893741)

My hand-me-down has a SCART port.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888703)

I'm pretty sure you're confusing composite or component with coaxial.

Re:No composite video for games?? (2, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888721)

I live in Canada too, although I find that there are many TVs with component video. However, there's a lot that don't, and even when they do have component cables, they're located in the back of the TV and hooked up to the DVD player. Moving the TV to get to these cables, and then rehooking up the other device when you are done can be really annoying. Meanwhile, most TVs have composite on the front for easy access. I can't even think of why they would need component cables for the PSP. It's not like the graphics are that good, that they're going to suffer if they use composite video. I agree this is completely stupid. Even though they have adapters to go from component to composite, you should have to get one of those, and this thing should just be using composite.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888779)

I'm not sure why specifically component for games, but the UMD movies are encoded in DVD quality 480p (RTFA), so there might be a reason to allow a higher quality cable connection.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888875)

Does anybody actually buy UMD movies?

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888917)

I have a couple, and the biggest knock against them was that you could only play them on the tiny PSP with no video out. Sony has decided to rebut that by giving people video out. Now they just need to add some special features and drop the price to an average of $10 and they'll probably attract more attention.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Calmiche (531074) | more than 7 years ago | (#19891501)

You know, Sony screwed themselves over with their designs.

In a perfect world, they would have included a UMD slot on the PS3. Why didn't they? Because they were trying to sell Blue-ray. Fine, then. What would have been included was a program built into the PS3 that will downconvert a Blue-Ray disc to fit on a UMD. Add digital rights control so you can only copy the same movie onto one UMD at a time. Pop it in, pop in a movie, hit copy, go make a sandwich and come back to take it with you. The PS3 won't let you convert the same movie again until you pop in the UMD and erase it. Forget trying to sell UMD movies. Sell Blue-ray and blank UMD discs.

Heck, they could have expanded it and let you download movies over the PS3 network and take them with you on UMD's. I'd be much happier and spend a lot more money on Sony products that worked like that.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#19894181)

However, there's a lot that don't, and even when they do have component cables, they're located in the back of the TV and hooked up to the DVD player.

If you have a spare component in on the TV (far from guaranteed) wouldn't you hook the cable up to the TV and then leave it tucked behind somewhere until you wanted to pull it out and play the PSP?

On the other hand if you only have one component in (much more likely) and you are a gamer you already have a $20 component switchbox [ebay.com] with easily accessible inputs for DVD + at least one system. This will work in the first case too if you have a desire to frequently remote the PSP cable.

Where in Canada? (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888797)

Umm.. I live 'in Canada" and I don't even think I know a single person whose "main TV" does not accept component.

Pretty much any 25" or larger TV made since 1998 has component inputs.

Re:Where in Canada? (1)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889021)

See that's just it, I don't want to use it just on my "main TV". Why can't I play games on the TV in my room?

Re:Where in Canada? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19891415)

1) Grow up
2) Move out

Re:Where in Canada? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889197)

You apparently are confusing "component" with "composite"

Re:Where in Canada? (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889209)

How many of you have bought a TV since '98? I don't know, but I was under the impression that TVs had a operational life of over 10 years. Especially the larger units. Having a composite out isn't too unreasonable. Heck, I think iPods can be fitted with an S-video output via their docks.

Re:Where in Canada? (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890433)

"since 1998" is a big caveat. Plenty of people that I know (not in canada) have pre-1998 big screen TVs. My 50" and 60" rear projection screens (both "only" capable of 480p) from circa 1995 are still going strong, I don't plan to replace them any time soon. They have only composite and s-video (and rca chroma/luma on the 50"), no component or hdmi or dvi. The most "advanced" display I own takes its HD content via BNC, component can't even compare.

Re:No composite video for games?? (3, Informative)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889199)

Component is required because progressive scan is required for games. Whatever reason they have for necessitating progressive scan, I don't know...

Re:No composite video for games?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19889453)

> Whatever reason they have for necessitating progressive scan, I don't know...

The fact that the onboard video doesn't support interlacing at all.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890959)

The fact that the onboard video doesn't support interlacing at all.
And why is that? Can't the firmware just cut the dot clock rate in half and double the line stride to give 480i or 240p?

Re:No composite video for games?? (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#19891429)

"Whatever reason they have for necessitating progressive scan, I don't know..."

The LCD on the PSP is not interlaced...?

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889343)

WTF? "Around where I live (Canada), I've never even seen a TV that takes component cables" Where the hell do you live, Inuvik? My friends 5 year old TV does component. And yes, I live in Canada. We do have TV's that were made past 1990 up here. That's your big complaint? Buy a freakin converter man. I hope I misread what you said....

Re:No composite video for games?? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19889355)

Holy crap there are a lot of confused people. Half of you don't know what the difference between composite and component even is and/or you're confusing the two.

Maybe it's a Canadian thing but I have never once in my life seen a TV with composite input on the front. That's a little bizarre because by the time manufacturers were thinking about being able to easily plug stuff into the front everything was using component cables.

Component output is much easier to do, especially on something like a PSP where you need to be small. Composite output requires a RF modulator and all sorts of RF crap (shielding and such) which takes up a lot more room.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Detritus (11846) | more than 7 years ago | (#19891055)

Composite output requires a RF modulator and all sorts of RF crap (shielding and such) which takes up a lot more room.
No, it doesn't. Composite is baseband video. It is not modulated on an RF carrier.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19891355)

Maybe it's a Canadian thing but I have never once in my life seen a TV with composite input on the front.

Probably. I've had a TV with a (mono) composite input on it, another with a stereo, another with stereo on the side, VCRs with inputs on the front. Hell, last dozen times I've been to a hotel they've had a TV with front inputs. My current TV has side composite + S-Video, which isn't much of an improvement but no complaints from me. Hell, my audio amp has front optical and 3.5mm on the front, too!

I swear I didn't intentionally seek those out, either. Dunno, maybe I just pay too much for my entertainment hardware.

You have got to be kidding... (1)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 7 years ago | (#19893893)

Maybe it's a Canadian thing but I have never once in my life seen a TV with composite input on the front. That's a little bizarre because by the time manufacturers were thinking about being able to easily plug stuff into the front everything was using component cables.

Pardon? My Toshiba has three sets of inputs -- two composite inputs in the back and one in the front. A friend's Sony TV is the same. I have come across many, many TVs here in Canada with composite inputs on the front and it makes plugging your video camera into the TV and boring the relatives that much easier. What might be confusing you is very often you have to flip open a front panel to find the inputs, but not always.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889421)

You can get cables that switch form component to composite without much problems. Although it does add more wire and one extra step to dilute the signal.

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Renaissance 2K (773059) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889537)

Coming soon... Sony PSP + TV with Component Input! Only $1200 US.

(Component video cable not included.)

Wot no SCART? (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890909)

Around where I live (Canada), I've never even seen a TV that takes component cables. Don't virtually all older TVs in North America take only composite?
This isn't very helpful for you, but in Europe, pretty much every TV built in the last 10 years (and a large percentage before that) supports SCART [wikipedia.org] and component video over that connection. (For those not aware of it, SCART basically bundles together a whole load of different audio and video signals- both input and output- onto a single 21-pin connector.)

I'm still pretty surprised that SCART is confined mainly to Europe. It's far from perfect, but for general use, it's a good idea. Partly because it's convenient, but also because (I guess) it keeps the costs of all those separate plugs down. And possibly that's one of the main reasons for leaving out component video on North American TVs(?)

Teletext [wikipedia.org] is another Euro-invention that didn't take off in the US either. Wonder why...

Re:No composite video for games?? (1)

Frostclaw (1006995) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890993)

You've got to be kidding me. I live in Canada -- New Brunswick specifically -- and I've owned a Sony WEGA with component input since 2000 having purchased it for myself as a graduation gift. It was even a last-in-stock floor model!

I do agree that not having composite output is a bit of a drawback. As you said, many TVs have front component jacks which would have made plugging in your PSP a simple procedure. However, this is really a value-add feature that was not available on the old PSP, so if you can't use it, it's not really that big of a loss. It's a handheld gaming system first and formost, and as long as you arn't asked to pay for the extra unused features the rest is just icing.

It gets even more confusing... (2, Interesting)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 7 years ago | (#19894029)

There will be a composite cable for the PSP, but it only supports video from the UMD or Memory Stick.

No difference? (1)

pXgray (464284) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888943)

Am I the only one who doesn't see any difference between the two devices shown in those pictures? I mean when Nintendo redesigned the DS it constituted a major redesign in form. The PSP really hasn't lost any body weight. Or for that matter gained any good games. I'll stick with my DS lite.

Re:No difference? (4, Insightful)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19888997)

The PSP really hasn't lost any body weight.

If you're going to bash a redesign, at least read the article in the summary:

The most immediate thing we noticed was how light the system is: the original was in no ways heavy, but the new handheld is certainly much lighter, without making it too feathery.

Granted, maybe you actually attended E3 and held the device and this is a matter of opinion, but that seems like a pretty dumb statement to make if you haven't.

Re:No difference? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19889041)

The pictures are so blurry, it's hard to tell anything.

Re:No difference? (1)

ch0ad (1127549) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889341)

Am I the only one who doesn't see any difference
maybe that's because they didn't make it look any different? the ds phat really needed a redesign, the psp didn't (aesthetically).

the weight and size reductions are minimal... you can notice it if you look carefully but its no where near as in your face as ds -> ds lite

Re:No difference? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19890645)

ZOMG! Fanboy attack!

Re:No difference? (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19893641)

The new PSP is 20% thinner, it's 30% lighter, the UMD hatch has been redesigned, it has a TV-out, it has more built-in memory for caching, it has a faster UMD, the battery life has been extended. The front-on form factor might look the same but plenty has changed.

As for games, it has plenty of excellent titles [neogaf.com] .

Stick with your DS if you like it, but get your facts straight.

Hates infrared? (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889061)

removal of the IR port (Sony really hates infrared),

Saying Sony hates infrared is like saying my new flatscreen hates buttons because 95% of them are only on the remote.

Another technology has replaced it. Why have two means of remote communication on a device?

Re:Hates infrared? (2, Interesting)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889613)

Well, seeing as the IR port was useless on the PSP (except for some homebrew that figured out how to turn the PSP into a universal remote), I can see why Sony removed it. But on the PS3, it drives me crazy when trying to use it as a DVD/Bluray player. I can't use my TV remote (Sony also) to control the PS3 because it doesn't have an infrared port. Even worse, the bluetooth remote that Sony makes doesn't have IR on it, so it's only good for hte PS3. It's rather annoying.

Re:Hates infrared? (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#19893005)

I've been using RF remotes for years (including a universal receiver/blaster) and everytime I pick up an infrared remote I feel like I'm in a time warp because I actually have to point the damn thing.

I can see how it would be frustrating to have two remotes. Hopefully within a few years everything will be off IR or you'll be able to get programmable RF remotes although that sounds a bit questionable.

Re:Hates infrared? (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19893687)

Perhaps the original plan was for the PSP to be an IR remote or something but I haven't heard of anything which uses the IR port. It seems a given that they got rid of something that wasn't used. It's too bad they didn't stick in bluetooth or similar, since it might have been better for ad hoc play in some circumstances, as well as sharing pictures / music etc.

how did they do it? (2, Interesting)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889071)

The battery shown so far has been a 1200mah one while the one in the current PSP is 1800mah. If thats the case and it still gets a longer battery life, they have achieved quite a bit. Anyone know exactly what changed to get such a huge bump?

Re:how did they do it? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19889305)

The added RAM means less time spinning the UMD looking for data. The biggest energy sapping system in the PSP is the UMD Drive. With 64mb of RAM, that means you don't need to look stuff up on the disc as often...

Summary (4, Informative)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889393)

That was a boring article:

We're very excited.

The new PSP is much slimmer than the original, but the original is slim too.
The new PSP is much lighter than the original, but the original is light too.
The new PSP is much shinier than the original, but the original is shiny too.
The new buttons "feel better".

We'll talk a bit about the infrared and composite, but won't test it, or give you our feedback on any of this.

We're very excited (again).

The new PSP is much better than the original, but the original is good too.

THE END

Re:Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19890027)

Well, what else would you expect from a website called PSPFanboy? I've tried reading some of their articles before, but the rabid fanboyism on the web page is so extreme it hurts my head. The guys are so blind to reality and so afraid of admitting that the original PSP wasn't 150% perfect that they will try to spin every drop of news even harder than sony's infamous corporate flogs!

Re:Summary (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19892537)

It may have been boring...but your summary of it was far from accurate.

RAM eh? (2, Insightful)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889497)

What good is more ram anyway? New games certainly can't require more ram than was on the original PSP. Are old games going to know they can use more memory when loading content on a new PSP? Apparently you can't use the PSP for homebrew so really, why bother with more ram?

Also, the fact that they didn't have tv-out in the first place is probably 90% of why UMD movies were such a stupid idea (you know, aside from having another proprietary format for no reason). And it's especially cute that they call this the slim model. Look at those photos. The original wasn't exactly a fat bastard, but slim would imply some significant change in width. God damn Sony is stupid. Just amazingly so.

All that said I'd like to like the PSP and these are all good improvements. Now if only they would release some worthwhile software for the thing, but isn't that just their MO of late. I want to want a PSP and I want to want a PS3. Why can't Sony just get their shit together?

Re:RAM eh? (2, Interesting)

ch0ad (1127549) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889583)

apparently the new ram will be used to cache data from the umd to speed load/reload times.... or something like that. also (this is just speculation) i expect it will be used in the web browser to avoid so many "out of memory" errors.

Re:RAM eh? (1)

SighKoPath (956085) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889833)

Interesting. Is Sony going to prevent new games from making explicit use of the extra RAM? Will new games developed with the new PSP in mind run poorly or not at all on the old PSP? Apologies if this were mentioned in TFA - since this is slashdot, I did not RTFA beyond opening it up and seeing that the pictures are blurry.

Focus! (2, Insightful)

riffzifnab (449869) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889757)

"Close up" indeed. Some one needs to tell them about the macro function on their camera. Cripes.

4GB limit (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889827)

I'm most disappointed by the fact that you still appear to be stuck to the limit of 4GB memory sticks.

4GB and over cards are coming down in price and it would be great to put one of those big things into this device. To be fair though, it would only be really useful for homebrew (which Sony hates), piracy (which Sony really hates) and movies (which Sony would rather you bought the UMD).

Still a shame though. Especially when you consider that by the end of this year you'll be seeing £100 mobile phone supporting the high capacity cards. Surely the PSP-slim is expected to be around for far longer than that and it's storage options are going to look positively anaemic.

(as an aside, does anyone know whether you can buy anything that'll allow you to use standard - and significantly cheaper - storage with the memory stick pro duo? I don't own a PSP, but if I do, I'd far rather not pay through the nose for Sony's inflated storage medium)

Re:4GB limit (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890179)

(as an aside, does anyone know whether you can buy anything that'll allow you to use standard - and significantly cheaper - storage with the memory stick pro duo? I don't own a PSP, but if I do, I'd far rather not pay through the nose for Sony's inflated storage medium)

Not really sure what you mean...but SanDisk makes a memory stick pro duo for about half the price. I've seen the card used in Sony's cameras and you can find slots for it on HP printers, so the card does have some reusability.

Re:4GB limit (1)

dorix (414150) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890665)

Replying to your aside...

Google for "Double Expand Memory Converter".

Re:4GB limit (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890991)

and movies (which Sony would rather you bought the UMD).
But does UMD have a decent selection of movies from studios other than Columbia Pictures and the last two decades of MGM? What about television series?

Re:4GB limit (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#19893785)

Sony doesn't hate homebrew. It hates pirates who use "homebrew" as their stock excuse to hack the firmware and install iso loaders and so on. You only have to look at any torrent site to see why Sony has a vested interest in patching the firmware to prevent exploits - because no games company will support the PSP if piracy is rampant. Genuine PSP homebrewers (all 3 of them) probably don't play into it at all.

If they hated homebrew they wouldn't have bent over backwards to support it in the PS2 and PS3 to provide support for it. After all, no other console manufacturer even bothers. Sure, it might have had fringe benefits for Sony (e.g. the whole "PS2 is a computer" thing), but they didn't have to do it. In fact the PS3 is an amazingly versatile machine in part because you can run Linux on it.

Appealing... (2, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#19889925)

I have been thinking about getting a PSP for some time. I have a DS and while I think it's great there are some things that have always bothered me. As much as I like sprite-based 2D games I can't get past the fact that 3D graphics on the DS are generally crap. The games for the DS that are good are great, but some genres in particular are quite lacking. And to this day I still don't like the two screens. The functionality it allows for in some games is great, but it still feels gimmicky. I would much prefer it had a single large screen, and coupled with the touch-screen functionality it would be truly great.

This updated PSP makes the console particularly appealing. Of course, this is still Sony we're talking about. So I still have some reservations.

Re:Appealing... (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890295)

I would much prefer it had a single large screen, and coupled with the touch-screen functionality it would be truly great.

Yes, it's a pity the PSP doesn't have a touch screen.

How hard is it to hold the camera still? (1)

Stinky Fartface (852045) | more than 7 years ago | (#19890307)

I know we're not talking about huge production budgets here (or any production budgets for that matter) but really, how hard is it to take a clear picture of a STILL OBJECT? Two pictures have camera shake, one is overexposed and one is out of focus. Seriously.

Loading time? (1)

ludomancer (921940) | more than 7 years ago | (#19891225)

The only thing I'd ask them to do was fix the retarded loading times. Any word on that at all?

Sort of (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19891463)

More RAM means the system can cache more data and reduces either load time or load frequencies.

has any hacker... (1)

British (51765) | more than 7 years ago | (#19892513)

...took out the UMD and put in something like an iPod hard drive, with some sort of firmware hack to make the PSP think it has a huge UMD drive yet? I'd love to see that. That would be hilarious.
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