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Gaming's 10 Biggest Scandals

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the skeletons-in-the-closet dept.

Games 96

GamePolitics has a list of ten of the most well known gaming scandals to hit the games industry. Starting back in 1993 with the senate hearings on Night Trap (a game that arguably led to today's ESRB), the list catalogs some things that the companies responsible would probably just as soon forget. "Hot Coffee (2005) - needs no introduction. Cheeky Rockstar programmers left hidden sex animations (accidentally or otherwise) buried in the PS2 code of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Modders made sure they didn't stay buried for long. Rockstar's denials only made things worse. And then Hillary got involved ..." At the post's close they call for additional nominations, as it's definitely not an exhaustive list. They left off the ESRB's decision to re-rate Oblivion , for example. What 'scandalous' gaming events can you see rating with this topics?

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Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19893985)

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Re:Ha. (1)

GFree (853379) | about 7 years ago | (#19894671)

Indeed. And remember, Gabe said during the 2003 presentation that the game would have all these funky features like NPCs which would perform actions on their own, but instead they just followed the player, or if on their own just sidestepped occasionally and died the rest of the time.

Still, HL2 did turn out pretty good even with all the stuff they cut out.

Do I nalbar? (1)

kornkid606 (1076023) | about 7 years ago | (#19894857)

Heh, yeah, all the way to the BANK!

finally; was:Re:Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19895683)

Someone who knows how to use ROT13. I know in the previous 14-15 years it's been dying a death it doesn't deserve. Everyone seems hell-bent on ROT26. No one has a reason to abandon it. ( takes care of it) Anyone know if there's a Firefox plug-in to do it to selected text?

Re:finally; was:Re:Ha. (1)

As_I_Please (471684) | about 7 years ago | (#19895957)

Re:finally; was:Re:Ha. (1)

aichpvee (631243) | about 7 years ago | (#19897473)

Kind of a pain to use, or did I miss somewhere where it lets you reorganize the menu without hacking the extension file so that the useful stuff isn't buried in menus?

Re:finally; was:Re:Ha. (1)

As_I_Please (471684) | about 7 years ago | (#19908879)

Don't know. I found it useful for about 20 seconds then uninstalled it.

I'll just use

Re:finally; was:Re:Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19896397)

alias rot13='tr "a-zA-Z" "n-za-mN-ZA-M"'

Night Trap (3, Interesting)

doublefrost (1042496) | about 7 years ago | (#19894011)

I remember everyone rushing to buy the game when the story broke out. Maybe that was the idea.

Re:Night Trap (4, Informative)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | about 7 years ago | (#19894473)

I actually have an old copy of the Sega CD/32X version sitting around somewhere. It's not a *terrible* game, gameplay is basically the same as Dragon's Lair, but it's not good for more than one playthrough as it is exactly the same every time. The amusing thing is, despite the controversy, if it were a movie, it probably would have *barely* gotten a PG-13 rating, if that. No nudity, no on-screen violence, no blood, nothing. The most "controversial" scene was a few women in nightgowns, nothing even remotely revealing. The fact that there was controversy over it was rather amusing.

Re:Night Trap (2, Informative)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | about 7 years ago | (#19894651)

Also, Resident Evil (any game, doesn't matter which one) was FAR FAR more violent/bloody than Night Trap ever was. The most violence I remember from Night Trap was someone dressed all in black grabbing someone and carrying them off-screen (usually through a hidden trap door). And that's only if you didn't prevent it (the object of the game was to prevent it).

WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (4, Informative)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about 7 years ago | (#19894071)

WhereTF is Mortal Kombat?

e.g., []

It looks like this "article" was written in about 5 minutes and would probably get a C in your average sixth-grade English class if judged for intellectual content.

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (1)

toleraen (831634) | about 7 years ago | (#19894111)

That was my first thought...

And how is Phantom not on that last? How many millions of dollars spent with nothing to really show?

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (1)

br14n420 (1111329) | about 7 years ago | (#19896267)

Mine too. I remember MK1 and Doom being common clips on CNN back in the day when doing anything related to game violence.

Then I noticed the author considers Microsoft extending warranties and making customers with broken systems happy a scandal, too, and he suddenly became someone I don't consider bright enough to give his words much credence.

As for numbers, anyone with a few brain cells understands public companies don't disclose things they don't have to. Then again, he may just be a kid and doesn't know wtf.

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (1)

dunezone (899268) | about 7 years ago | (#19894115)

It should be Mortal Kombat, Night Trap, and Doom in the last entry.

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 7 years ago | (#19894129)

That article did not talk about the very rare network version of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 called Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 Wave Net and that let play against other people over the internet.

Left out Carmageddon too (5, Informative)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | about 7 years ago | (#19894283)

Carmageddon was the first game ever to be banned by the U.K.

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (5, Insightful)

WhatHappenedToTanith (1126905) | about 7 years ago | (#19894419)

Ripping a head off someone's body with their spine dangling down would only be bad in mainstream censorship society if the person was naked whilst doing it. I refer you to episode s8e01 of south park for the best commentary ever done on this topic.

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (4, Informative)

Hemogoblin (982564) | about 7 years ago | (#19894605)

I find it very odd to see this Gamepolitics article on Slashdot. Why of all articles was this one submitted to Slashdot? Normally, Gamepolitics articles are very well written and insightful, but this article is one of worst on the entire site. Practically all others such as this one [] are more interesting.

Damn you submitter for portraying one of my favorite sites in a bad light!

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (2, Funny)

grapeape (137008) | about 7 years ago | (#19896441)

Most of their other articles didnt have much fanboy fight potential

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (4, Insightful)

shird (566377) | about 7 years ago | (#19895315)

"Top 10" style article written in 5 minutes, check.
"Digg it" link at the bottom of the article, check.

Welcome to the new age of "publishing".

Re:WhereTF is Mortal Kombat? (1)

GrumpySimon (707671) | about 7 years ago | (#19895325)

It looks like this "article" was written in about 5 minutes and would probably get a C in your average sixth-grade English class if judged for intellectual content.

Welcome to the blogosphere!

Hit whoring (2, Insightful)

My name is Bucket (1020933) | about 7 years ago | (#19894151)

Wondering how to get people to read your crappy-ass article when you've already reported on XBox's Red Ring fiasco? Find nine random things that are related in some obscure way and make a list out of them.

Erm... (1)

Karganeth (1017580) | about 7 years ago | (#19894153)


Custer's Revenge? (5, Funny)

morari (1080535) | about 7 years ago | (#19894177)

At least Hot Coffee was consensual and non-explicit. I guess America was founded upon the notions presented by that old Atari game though...

Re:Custer's Revenge? (1, Funny)

morari (1080535) | about 7 years ago | (#19895413)

Troll?! I guess we now know that at least one person on Slashdot is not only pro-imperialism but also pro-genocide. Oh wait, my bad! Christopher Columbus discovered the Americas, right? Them pesky injuns juss shows up one day and tried tuh claim lands fer themselfs so's we kills 'em! They probably supported terrorism and deserved it anyway!

Re:Custer's Revenge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19896125)

You ever play the game? It was about capturing Indian women, tying them to a cactus and screwing them...

Re:Custer's Revenge? (2)

The One and Only (691315) | about 7 years ago | (#19896935)

She was already captured and tied to the cactus. You just had to walk across the screen without getting arrow'd, at which point you'd screw her.

Re:Custer's Revenge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19898671)

Note to other Slashdotters:

1. Music industry charging $15 for a 60 minute music CD: "Rape".
2. Tied up prisoner forcably copulated: "Screw".

Ok. Glad to see we know what the words we use mean here.

Re:Custer's Revenge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19901399)

Odd premise, Custer is going to rape a native in revenge for defeating his attempt to destroy them and force the survivors onto a reservation. How dare they fight back!

quake in the smithsonian (2, Funny)

drfrog (145882) | about 7 years ago | (#19894197)

that it isnt in there is a scandal

Re:quake in the smithsonian (1)

Misanthrope (49269) | about 7 years ago | (#19894333)

Maybe Doom or Wolfenstein 3D deserve a place as well. Admittedly Quake was the multiplayer fps.

Re:quake in the smithsonian (1)

servognome (738846) | about 7 years ago | (#19894547)

Maybe Doom or Wolfenstein 3D deserve a place as well. Admittedly Quake was the multiplayer fps.
Doom had LAN multiplayer

Re:quake in the smithsonian (1)

KoldKompress (1034414) | about 7 years ago | (#19898221)

Not 100% sure on Doom, but I know Doom II had multiplayer capabilities over the intar-tubes.

Re:quake in the smithsonian (1) (660144) | about 7 years ago | (#19898897)

IIRC Doom had modem based two player (can't recall if you could do more then two, but who had two modems back then). Also its four player IPX networking could have been routed over IP even then.

Obviously later versions have added native TCP (it is still played today).

Birdo! (1, Funny)

The Iso (1088207) | about 7 years ago | (#19894313)

How can we forget Birdo, the transvestite antagonist of Super Mario Bros. 2?

Re:Birdo! (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | about 7 years ago | (#19896995)

Birdo was transgendered, not a transvestite. "He" wanted to be a girl, not just dress like one for kicks.

My Nomination: PedoQuest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19894341)

PedoQuest [] . Don't look at the root site, it'll creep you out.

Re:My Nomination: PedoQuest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19894625)

Pedophilie is an accepted sexual orientation now?

Re:My Nomination: PedoQuest (0, Troll)

aichpvee (631243) | about 7 years ago | (#19897509)

Just another reason to stick with GPL2. Unless you like looking like a pedophile.

Duke Nukem Forever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19894343)

Yeah, like it's ever going to be released. Babbage's is still holding my pre-order.

Re:Duke Nukem Forever (1)

NeilTheStupidHead (963719) | about 7 years ago | (#19896479)

Babbage? [] Wow, DNF as been in development longer than I thought!

Jack Thompson (2, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | about 7 years ago | (#19894421)

Jack Thompson should get his own category beyond just a mention in the Hot Coffee incident after all he has been stirring up controversy in gaming since the late 90's when he became bored with the PMRC crowd.

Re:Jack Thompson (3, Insightful)

The PS3 Will Fail (998952) | about 7 years ago | (#19894603)

No, Jack Thompson should be forgotten about. He's had no real impact on the gaming world. He's just a loud voice that sensationalist news outlets get for their incredibly shallow examination of any gaming issue. I can't think of a single time he's really been on top of an issue or caused any real change. It certainly wasn't Thompson that brought Hot Coffee to light.

He's not worth mentioning.

Re:Jack Thompson (1)

Carnildo (712617) | about 7 years ago | (#19895223)

No, Jack Thompson should be forgotten about. He's had no real impact on the gaming world.

No real impact? He's the best publicity that certain publishers could hope for!

The guy game? (2, Interesting)

crossmr (957846) | about 7 years ago | (#19894455)

Wasn't it the guy game or one of those similar games released with a nude 17 year old contained within (that was only discovered AFTER the game was released). Animated guys kissing vs underage nudity in the US... I guess that is a pretty tough call on which would get more blown out proportion...

What about NARC? (1)

tjstork (137384) | about 7 years ago | (#19894635)

Launching rockets at cops during the height of the war on drugs in the 1980s, that was some fun stuff. I remember the outcries against it even now, and, I just had to play it. I think the game lead to a wave of "William Sessions of the FBI says don't do drugs", or some other crap, on arcade games thereafter.

Erm.. (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | about 7 years ago | (#19899493)

In NARC you were the cop, launching the rockets at the drug dealers.

Re:Erm.. (1)

tjstork (137384) | about 7 years ago | (#19900099)

Yeah, on the box it said that, but, in the heat of battle, you were just a killing machine. It was great.

The Star Wars Galaxies NGE should be there (4, Informative)

WCMI92 (592436) | about 7 years ago | (#19894701)

The NGE was the biggest bait and switch EVER pulled on a MMO subscriber community, sell them an expansion containing content and enhancements for professions that would be removed 2 weeks later, publically say things like "The CU is here to stay", and "Jedi will never be a starter profession" then 2 days after charging for the expansion announce a massive change to the game that deleted 2/3rds of it. This was so egregious that a week later SOE was forced to offer refunds for the expansion (probably because spending time in a federal "pound me in the ass" prison for wire fraud didn't appeal to John Smedley).

The NGE also ruined SOE's reputation basically for good. Not that the rest of Sony wasn't helping.

Re:The Star Wars Galaxies NGE should be there (-1, Troll)

garylian (870843) | about 7 years ago | (#19895379)

You need to get over it, already. No, seriously.

Folks that are still whining about SW:G NGE change, or UO's light/dark shard change, are just living in a dream past. Both games sucked, were losing subscribers, and needed to do something.

Now, stop, before you start blaming SOE for V:SoH's woes. It seems you can count on 3 things on any /. article that you could possibly mention a MMO as part of:

SW:G's NGE change
UO's light/dark change
EVE Online is the greatest MMO ever, but the players all bitch about BoB and the devs playing.

There are still plenty of folks playing EQ1, EQ2, and other SOE games. Heck, you couldn't give me a free copy and pay for my subscription to WoW, and get me to play. Same with EVE.

Re:The Star Wars Galaxies NGE should be there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19896319)

No, he doesn't, because he's not whining about it.

He's talking about selling an expansion and then obsoleting it two weeks later.

Regardless of how you felt about decision to rehaul the game, it was egregious to
sell that expansion without informing the buyers of your imminent plan. Period.

hello? (1)

tute666 (688551) | about 7 years ago | (#19894705)

11. Duke Nukem Forever 12. Daikatana

Re:hello? (1)

TruePoindexter (975295) | about 7 years ago | (#19895031)

We're talking legal scandals here not just gaming scandals - though frankly some sort of legal action should have taken place over Daikatana...class action suit anyone?

Re:hello? (1)

aichpvee (631243) | about 7 years ago | (#19897539)

Did enough people buy Daikatana to form a class? Or can each copy Romero bought himself count as a separate member of the class?

Subject has just made you its bitch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19894733)

*cough* Daikatana *cough*

Ron dies. Lupin dies. Percy dies. Voldemort dies. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19894741)

Details aren't needed. Just say BELLATRIX KILLS RON!

Snape's loyalty? I found this to be the saddest part of the book. As many people guessed, all was not what it seemed with Dumbledore, and the two did indeed have a plan that would eventually result in Snape killing him. But, Snape was only in on things for personal gain, and when Voldemort learns of this, he is obviously furious with Snape. Snape tries to make up for things by luring Harry to him, but Harry manages to escape, and Voldemort kills Snape before the final conflict.

I don't know what all these rumours are about Voldemort kidnapping Ron, it's a complete lie. Ron is killed by Bellatrix Lestrange in The Battle of Hogwarts, but Neville manages to finish off Bellatrix after Ron weakens her before his death.

Harry is not a horcrux.

As I've already stated, Voldemort kills Snape.

Voldemort is killed in the Department Of Mysteries. He baits Harry about his parents, Sirius, Dumbledore and Ron. which turns out to be the worst thing Voldemort could have done. As Voldemort steps out into the circular bit with many doors, Harry opens the locked door, and Voldemort is destroyed by the blinding light, which heals Harry, who seems close to death (he does not die).

The cover art shows Voldemort + Harry at the Deathly Hallows, Harry is attempting to summon Voldemort's Horcrux, as Voldemort is doing his best to keep the enchantment in place.

Re:Ron dies. Lupin dies. Percy dies. Voldemort die (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19895153)

Yeah, but what about the part where Harry, Hermione, and Ginny all get together for a three-way?

Now, that's what I'm talkin' bout.

Re:Ron dies. Lupin dies. Percy dies. Voldemort die (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19936609)

That's all lies.

Tagged: Top10 (2, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 7 years ago | (#19894833)

From now on, I want to be able to filter out any "Top 10" list from some random blogger. Generally, these lists have at least five things that I've already heard about, and five more that I honestly couldn't give a damn about.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (1)

TruePoindexter (975295) | about 7 years ago | (#19895069)

While I don't think counts as "some random blogger" I do agree, in part, that "Top [10, 25, 100] list of [insert topic here]" are, by and large, completely arbitrary and pointless. More over I don't feel they justify a full posting but that might just be my own view.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (1)

Nimey (114278) | about 7 years ago | (#19895295)

Agree wholeheartedly. There should be an official Slashdot category "Top Ten" that we can filter out by preference.

Of course, one could also just filter out anything posted by Zonk, since he's the major offender in that regard.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (1)

shird (566377) | about 7 years ago | (#19895337)

Especially if such article also has a "Digg it" link attached to it, and written with the sole intention of trying to get linked to by Digg for ad revenue. A Top x article with a "Digg it" link is a proven formula which works on the uneducated masses of Digg, but don't post it here.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (1)

Khaed (544779) | about 7 years ago | (#19895743)

I'll go you one further: I'd like to be able to avoid most top "..." lists. They're all very subjective. The writing is generally poor, even when a usually good site puts one up.

The only reason I read this one was to see what scandals I might not have heard about. I disagree with the inclusion of Columbine; that wasn't a video game industry scandal. That was a "make the parents feel better about what their little monsters did by blaming a video game" scandal trumped up with little basis other than "oh they played Doom."

Shit, I bet they jerked off, too, but no one blamed masturbating for Columbine.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (1)

Nimey (114278) | about 7 years ago | (#19895909)

Every time you masturbate, Eric and Dylan kill a cheerleader. Please, think of the cheerleaders.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19897239)

But thinking of the cheerleaders leads to more...

I bet they did... (4, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 7 years ago | (#19898065)

I mean, they were busy blaming everything they could get their hands on for Columbine. There was so much blame that even on PBS, there was barely time left to mourn...

Here's my all-time favorite quote, though:

Michael Moore: If you were to talk directly to the kids at Columbine or the people in that community, what would you say to them if they were here right now?
Marilyn Manson: I wouldn't say a single word to them, I would listen to what they have to say. And that's what no one did.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19896673)

You can filter out these stories. All you have to do is ignore them when you see them on the main page, and skip to the next article. It takes about 1/100000 of the effort you needed just now to bring up the article and then complain about it.

Re:Tagged: Top10 (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 7 years ago | (#19898051)

While that is true, it also takes that same amount of effort every time I see them.

More relevantly, maybe if enough people tag it as top10 and filter out top10 stories, the Slashdot editors will take the hint -- thus resulting in less top10 stories and more relevant ones.

And what about the Xbox Half Life 3/Steorn joke.. (1)

terbo (307578) | about 7 years ago | (#19895023)

How could something that should change the world just .. disappear ..
Not well known enough, I guess.

How about.... (2, Interesting)

UncleTogie (1004853) | about 7 years ago | (#19895187)

...the porn hidden in Star Castle [] ...?

DC Sniper (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 7 years ago | (#19895299)

The DC Sniper claimed he learned how to murder people by playing GTA, which is ridiculous. GTA isn't even a FPS. However, it provided the perfect quote for people who wanted to insist the game was a murder simulator.

Somehow the PS3 launch is more of a scandal that an actual mass murderer blaming a video game for training him how to kill people.

Re:DC Sniper (2, Insightful)

steveo777 (183629) | about 7 years ago | (#19900913)

The DC Sniper claimed he learned how to murder people by playing GTA, which is ridiculous. GTA isn't even a FPS.

Ridiculous? I find your conclusion just as or more so. Neither GTA nor a FPS (none that I'm aware of) really show how to hold, fire, care for, and maintain a firearm. But either can easily point out tactical and strategic positions for shooting from a distance.

Re:DC Sniper (1)

4D6963 (933028) | about 7 years ago | (#19913109)

But either can easily point out tactical and strategic positions for shooting from a distance.

Didn't he shoot people from the trunk of a car?

Re:DC Sniper (1)

steveo777 (183629) | about 7 years ago | (#19913219)

I really don't know. But even then I haven't seen a game that lets you snipe from a car trunk. I know Halo let's you sit on the Warthog and snipe from the passenger seat, but that hardly allows any tactical advantage. Sounds like he was taking Hide-n-Seek to a new level.. It is the last place I would look for a sniper.

Nintendo Power (1)

thesupermikey (220055) | about 7 years ago | (#19895391)

What about the Nintendo Power with Simon Bellmont holding the bloody head of a vampire on the cover

How about something pre-Nintendo? (1)

Megane (129182) | about 7 years ago | (#19895613)

Pac-Man vs K.C. Munchkin []
and the Death Race arcade game []

Re:How about something pre-Nintendo? (1)

penp (1072374) | about 7 years ago | (#19899743)

Thank you.
I think this article is pretty lame, as most of the "10 biggest" scandals all happen to be within the last two years. I find that pretty hard to believe.

Re:How about something pre-Nintendo? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 7 years ago | (#19904515)

Don't forget Custer's Revenge.
I get the feeling that this list was written by somebody that thinks that Nintendo invented the video game.

Carmageddon. (1)

sparkeyjames (264526) | about 7 years ago | (#19896315)

Remember Carmageddon? The highest scoring hit was the evasive little old lady with the walker for 300 points. Hours of pedestrian squashing fun.
Sadly later versions of this game removed the running over of pedestrians for points. Though the multiplayer in later versions was entertaining.

Re:Carmageddon. (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | about 7 years ago | (#19901507)

I wish there was a way to get it to work in Win XP. DOS Box maybe?

The trouble with Rockstar (0, Troll)

westlake (615356) | about 7 years ago | (#19896541)

Cheeky Rockstar programmers left hidden sex animations (accidentally or otherwise) buried in the PS2 code of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Modders made sure they didn't stay buried for long.

Vice City helped set the stage.

Rockstar North, based in Scotland, enraged ethnic communities in Miami.

Rockstar came into the arena with a reputation for pushing the limits of public tolerance for violence in the M-rated game - and touched a raw nerve simply by being so far removed physically from the American inner city gang violence it exploits.

Hot Coffee could be unlocked in every version of GTA: San Andreas.

There is no way a voluntary ratings system could survive if AO content could be embedded in a game "accidentally-on-purpose" and later exposed through some more or less trivial "mod."

Manhunt 2 seems to arrived as the window of opportunity is closing on the entire "torture porn" genre.

Let's not forget some historical controversies (4, Interesting)

solar_blitz (1088029) | about 7 years ago | (#19897451)

I can think of several different controversies or scandals in the video game industry that need to be explained. Yes, Mortal Kombat is definitely one of them. Harris and Klebold are another. But aren't we forgetting some others?

Christian Conservative backlash over Pokemon is one of them - summoning demons, doing demonic acts, James the cross-dresser, etc. As well as Jewish backlash against Pokemon because one of the Japanese card had the manji character on it (essentially a swastika), even though it was in use for thousands of years prior to World War II, and African American protests over the character Jynx, which was based upon a reference to picadilly characters in old Japanese comics. Oh, and the epileptic seizures caused by an episode of Pokemon.

Also consider the Gizmondo, which had everything from a trashed 1 million dollar ferrari to the Swedish mafia. Oh yeah, and Phantom.

Then there was that lawsuit Universal Studios threw against Nintendo in the early days over the creative license of Donkey Kong. Nintendo won, by the way. And got Universal to pay off their legal fees.

"Oblivion scandal" shame for ESBR. (4, Interesting)

SharpFang (651121) | about 7 years ago | (#19898313)

For those who don't remember it: man-boobs forbidden.

Oblivion originally used the same skin for both male and female models. Males had normal male chests with normal nipples on them. Female models had an extra unremovable piece of clothing - a bra or a strap of cloth, or some other halter, so the breasts never show. Except a mod removed the piece of clothing and what you got were stretched, misplaced textures of nipples that came from the male body.

Result? "Bethesda tried to sneak adult content into the game!" outrage. And re-rating it.

Incidentially, the male nipples appearing on female models were more offensive (and caused re-rating the game) than a mission to murder all children of a mother, then the mother herself, or performing a live sacrifice (ok, not actually human, but sentient...), or murdering innocent citizens on behalf of a schizophrenic madman... oh well, things that kids shouldn't be allowed to play. But cheating, stealing, murdering innocents in cool blood, that was all OK to ESBR. Piss-poor textures of nipples weren't.

False (2, Interesting)

Moraelin (679338) | about 7 years ago | (#19898693)

Actually, that's false. Oblivion has different skins for males and females, and there's no freakin' way a male, even a bodybuilder, would have _that_ kind of shading of the pecs. The mis-placing the nipples is more of a result of not paying much attention to how it aligns with the mesh. (Probably most of Bethesda only saw it with the bra on.) But the texture itself, if you look at it as just a bitmap, is clearly a female skin and includes extra shading to accentuate the breasts. It's _not_ a male texture.

And it would be trivial to tweak the texture coordinates for the vertexes so the nipples fall anywhere you want them on the mesh. Now obviously Bethesda didn't bother, so it's a fairly safe assumption that they never intended the game to be playe with naked characters. But don't mistake it for anything more than that: it doesn't mean it's the wrong texture, it doesn't mean it can't be done, it just means that they had better stuff to spend their time and money on than aligning the nipples.

Now I'm not for censorship, and I do consider the whole "scandal" pretty stupid, but spewing falsehoods doesn't help either.

Re:False (1)

SharpFang (651121) | about 7 years ago | (#19901545)

Oblivion has different skins for males and females,

With 1.1 patch or without?
AFAIK "nipple-free female skin textures" were added in the patch.

Re:False (2, Informative)

Creepy (93888) | about 7 years ago | (#19906585)

are you sure? I remember something similar to the first poster, Oblivion defaulted to the male texture unless an override was present such as the female texture. There was also some odd naming, too, as I think female textures were all in a container _male (something like that - its been a while) and those contained the bra art. I believe all the first "topless" mods did was remove the _male files, skinning the female character with the male nipples.

Still, it was hardly the first game to ship with art that could be modded to be topless without adding any code - even before San Andreas - Gothic (I) shipped in Germany with a topless bathing scene and they covered it up with a bra for the US version to get an M rating. You could get the original version simply by copying the CD included art over the installed art. Still, it was difficult to get to the location where the woman was bathing because it was near the endgame and you had to wait for the scripted event.

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Columbine RPG vs. Postal (2, Interesting)

necro2607 (771790) | about 7 years ago | (#19904073)

The Columbine RPG note brings up a fact I found funny - that the shooting by Kimveer Gill was apparently "blamed" on the Columbine RPG. What the media didn't really mention is that Kimveer listed on his website quite a few other games that he had played. More significantly, one of them in common with what Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had played avidly: Postal [] . Frankly I think the violence and "disturbingness" factor of this game well exceeds Doom or really any other game of the time.

You basically ran around with the sole purpose of killing a sufficient percentage of "hostiles" in the city. Wounded people would crawl along the ground leaving a trail of blood [] , crying in pain saying things like "I can't feel my legs!" or "I can't breathe!"... The audio in this game really completes the disturbing atmosphere. The ambient sound is some of the most creepy stuff I've heard in a game since, especially during some of the loading screens.

Oh, did I mention the infamous marching band scene [] ? (A marching band is parading through town playing music - you can guess as to the craziness that ensues when you lob a molotov cocktail in the middle of the group)...

During all of this, whether you're on a senseless killing rampage or simply defending yourself from people trying to kill you is left for you to speculate - the loading screens give a bit of diary-style text written from the perspective of the player character, but that's all you have to go on. While he claims everyone is out to get him, as you progress further into the game you really begin to feel like maybe 'you' are just a psycho killer who is completely delusional, killing innocent people who are only armed because they know there's some rampaging killer on the loose. Gee, sound familiar at all to the "everyone is out to get me" attitude of basically every school shooter in recent history? Not to mention that the player character is wearing a full-length trenchcoat, no less.

So, after hearing all this, and the fact that it was a game avidly played by at least three of the most infamous school shooters, I have trouble believing it wouldn't be a larger influence behind someone's violent actions than a low-tech "fan made" style of game (not to mention that Kimveer very likely just put "Columbine RPG" on his list of favorite games for the sheer purpose of maintaining a certain image of himself).

Of course, I just spent all that time explaining something that any journalist would never even have been aware of - they just jump on the Columbine RPG thing just because of its name and reputation, despite how blatantly more extreme and disturbing Postal is. Regardless, Postal is definitely a key game that has gone largely overlooked despite its significance/value to at least a few notorious school shooters...

Re:Columbine RPG vs. Postal (1)

neminem (561346) | about 7 years ago | (#19907051)

I think you're confusing causation and correlation, just like all the journalists you seem to admire. You seem to think that because school killers tend to enjoy playing games like Postal, that clearly Postal deranges people and makes them into killers. How about this, instead: people who are likely to decide to shoot up innocent people, are likely to also enjoy games that let them do the same thing.

Of course, many people that wouldn't enjoy ending the lives of real people, would also find it interesting to simulate being a mass murderer, knowing full well that their actions aren't real. Anyone messed up enough to go on a shooting spree in real life because he could do it in a video game, probably would have done something insane sooner or later anyway, even without the video game.

Re:Columbine RPG vs. Postal (1)

necro2607 (771790) | about 7 years ago | (#19907147)

"I think you're confusing causation and correlation, just like all the journalists you seem to admire."

Actually, I didn't intentionally indicate causation of any kind, JUST the correlation. I did indeed refer to some journalists "blaming" the Kimveer Gill thing on Columbine RPG, but believe me, I don't share the same views. Not to mention, what's this about "admiring" the journalists? I personally think they're fucking retards... heh! ;)

I didn't even bother discussing what you wrote above because it's just so redundant - I've discussed the topic enough times to not find it neccesary to reiterate for the 800000th time that violent games don't make people violent. BUT trust me, play Postal for weeks (or very so often for months and months) on end and you WILL feel different - I have done it... No, you're not going to kill anyone, but the shit affects you for sure.

"Anyone messed up enough to go on a shooting spree in real life because he could do it in a video game, probably would have done something insane sooner or later anyway, even without the video game."

Yeah, I've said the same thing tons and tons of times. Sorry I gave the impression of believing otherwise in my original post. ;)

Derek Smart + Battlecruiser 3000AD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#19912407)

Biggest game flamewar on usenet? how could anyone forget...

list overall was pretty pathetic

Re:Derek Smart + Battlecruiser 3000AD (1)

stevencbrown (238995) | about 7 years ago | (#19912641)

exactly what I was thinking. The list is feeble.

How Derek and his "Ph.D" didn't make the list is unforgiveable.

I can remember following the flamewar closely - certainly spent far more time on it than I spent actually playing BC3000AD.

In the end I felt sorry for him, because he did seem to want the best for his game. But his hair trigger temper was absolutely hilarious.

I suggest anyone who doesn't know the story has a read at this site- guaranteed to give you a laugh! []
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