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Democracy Player Is Dead, Long Live Miro

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the lesson-in-marketing-101 dept.

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MrSpin writes "Democracy Player has relaunched today as Miro. Developed by the Participatory Culture Foundation, Miro aims to make online video "as easy as watching TV", while at the same time ensuring that the new medium remains accessible to everyone, through its support for open standards. The open-source application combines a media player and library, content guide, video search engine, as well as podcast and BitTorrent clients. But why the name change? According to last100, who have published a full review and guide to Miro: "When Democracy Player launched back in February 2006, the feedback received was that the name evoked different, yet equally negative responses. For many Americans it conjured up an image of yet another left wing media project, and to the rest of the world it was, rather bizarrely, being associated with the policies of the Bush administration. In contrast, the new name is purposely abstract.""

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Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (3, Interesting)

InvisblePinkUnicorn (1126837) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900309)

Is there any reason to use Miro rather than VLC or BS Player? These seem to handle everything I've encountered.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (4, Informative)

ringfinger (629332) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900523)

According to the article, Miro's content guide is one of it's strengths -- making it more than just a player.

Miro's content guide is far better than the equivalent video podcast directory in iTunes. Not only does Miro list over 1,500 channels but it's also better organized, with content filtered by popularity, editor picks, genre, tags, and language. There's even a section dedicated to HD video.

Still, I have a hard time imagining how a good content buide is better than having google seaarch behind it when looking for content (as youtube does).

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (2, Insightful)

Oscaro (153645) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900615)

s there any reason to use Miro rather than VLC or BS Player?

No. Actually, I switched back to VLC almost instantly. It's totally unusable and awfully bloated.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19901023)

This is funny, cause I would say the same thing of VLC. MPlayer is far nicer, imho.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (1, Interesting)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901033)

It's totally unusable and awfully bloated
For some reasons, this probably means a lot of people will like it. I can remeber those exact words being said about almost everything else the got popular. I think some people (not you) like making this difficult for themselves.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (2, Interesting)

Bin_jammin (684517) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901079)

Agreed. I believe this is actually name number 3 for this project. I've been a fan of the idea since it was announced (if I recall, in 2004 if I recall correctly) having downloaded almost every initial beta. Unfortunately whatever name it's been under I've never been impressed by the execution. Considering it uses torrents for content delivery it severely chokes bandwidth locally. Another gripe I've had with it is that downloaded content can be wrapped in order to let it expire from your machine. I'm sure it's viewed as a necessity, but it's an annoyance. I haven't used a recent version, but there was never much content I was interested in, and it had extremely slow delivery. Seriously, who wants to wait 19 hours for a music video? This on a 7mb connection. Slow delivery via bloatware and drm? Keep it. A rose by any other name would still stink.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (1)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900681)

Is there any reason to use Miro rather than VLC or BS Player?

Just the player, not that I know of. At least with democracy version, really the server was always the drive.
with the peer to peer, it is about making your content available to you anywhere, and to others as well.

I considered it for our work, it would work good (without the 4 separate IT nazis that is) because we got 4 distinct locations, if you put a server at each location you could publish the video on one server, and the link between the locations would be spared the full load of all the clients viewing all our client.

As is, we judge the likely popularity center, transfer to the best guess server, and post a hard link, vlc is good for this setup.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900741)

well actually, I have VLC etc etc. But democracy player gave me something cool. I just choose the channels to subscribe to and when I boot it up they update. It's kinda easy and fast compared to just download over the web or p2p.

Then after 5 minutes, I can press play on tape and sit back and watch my daily feed of regular video: like a tv.

I would never use it for a particular movie or tv series downloaded using bit torrent or whatever, but for podcast style stuff democracy player is just so easy.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (2, Informative)

HomerNet (146137) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901117)

Yes, actually, it is different. Whether you like iTunes or not would be a good indicator of whether you'll like Democracy/Miro. If VLC were like WinAmp, Democracy/Miro would be iTunes. It's a way of managing the videos you want to watch.

In terms o feature-ness, Miro allows you to create playlists, automatic watch lists, and integrates video searches from Google, Yahoo, and a couple others. It's also a bittorrent client for videos, though admittedly I haven't figured out how to use that feature. One thing about Miro that I like is that if I have a bunch of videos I want to watch (say, I haven't watched The HowTo Crew for several episodes) and they're on my auto-update lists, they'll be downloaded to my computer instead of being on the 'net, so I can watch them whether I have a connection or not. Also, the full-screen mode is priceless.

On the downside, it IS bloated, and to autoupdate you have to have the bloated player running at all times. I tend to not get regular updates because I don't like bloatware running in the background.

Re:Any reason to switch from VLC or BS? (1)

NetDanzr (619387) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901307)

Please educate me; I'm pretty new to this. I've been using the Democracy Player for a while now, and I'll keep on using it (it prompts me to upgrade, but I ignore that). My main reason for using it is the automatic download of new episodes of German news broadcasts and Democracy Now, which I then can watch at my convenience. Does VLC or BS Player do the same? If so, I'll be happy to try it - they can't be worse than the 350MB of memory that Democracy Player hogs.

Creepy (2, Interesting)

boaworm (180781) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900313)

Creepy that so many people associate "Democracy" with bad things. Actually scares me...

Re:Creepy (2, Informative)

hey (83763) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900451)

Partly/Mostly our president's fault. By bringing "democracy" to Iraq. Who would want that kind of "democracy" on their desktop!

Re:Creepy (0, Offtopic)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900497)

I don't think people have a problem with "democracy", it's a problem with "Democracy". When it gets that capital letter it reminds people of the imposed 'democracy' that Bush is now (in)famous for forcing on other countries.

"We have free and fair elections, as long as you vote for the people we like" ;) It's almost like "anyone can vote as long as they're not disqualified for being: insane, poor, a member of a union, or female" (Pratchett reference?)

Re:Creepy (3, Insightful)

CaffeineAddict2001 (518485) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900505)

Is it any stranger than associating "communism" or "socialism" with bad things? The ideals are generally good natured, it's the context attached to them that has become corrupt.

Re:Creepy (1)

boaworm (180781) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900977)

That's taking it a bit too far i'd say.

Quite a few "Democracy" experiments turned out quite well, especially when you compare the number of successful communist countries that turned out.. quite well...

Regarding the matter at hand, as the OP, i find it really scary that these guys felt the need to/were forced to replace the name "Democracy" because some people dont like what Mr Bush is doing. There are quite a few other democracies on this planet that are doing OK. The original greek democracy only included citizens of greece, thus excluding women and slaves (which made up a significant portion). If that was (and it was) a democracy, what we have now is paradise even though we have a few bummers here and there.

On the other hand, I never understood the name in the first place :-)

What communist countries? None have ever existed. (2, Interesting)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901191)

The problem is, people confuse communism with dictatorship and/or totalitarianism when really, they are mutually exclusive.

There has never been any modern communist government in the past few hundred years.

A real communist country WOULD BE a democracy; in fact if you take democracy to it's logical course (where everyone has a say) you inevitably end up with a communist state.

A true communist country would have

- A democratically elected government with 100% transparency
- 100% nationalized economy where all work equally and are compensated proportionally to their capabilities
- Total freedom of expression and speech

You can't have any of these things without the others. The problem with reaching this goal, which all totalitarianist status that started out with the end goal of communism (Cuba, China, The USSR, North Korea) have encountered, is it is impossible to nationalize the enconomy while having a democratic government at the same time, because it is a violent process by necessity. So the government needs to have absolute power for awhile, so they can take over industries for the good of the people.

The way it is supposed to work is the government should weild absolute power for a period of time ONLY - say a few years - then totally revoke it and give it back to the people. The problem is once the government gets this power they don't give it up easily - in fact it usually gets worse.

This is why transitioning to true communism is so difficult - in fact it has never yet been archived. Hopefully someday we can all as a society put aside our differences and make it work for the good of the world.

Re:Creepy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19901035)

I wish I had mod points. You are being modded down because of the exact thing you are talking about. Ironic, isn't it?

Re:Creepy (1)

emotionus (657937) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900575)

I kind of wish they would have kept the name; could (help) give "Democracy" the re-interpretation(or genealogy, depending on how you look at it) it really needs.

Re:Creepy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900635)

Creepy that so many people associate "Democracy" with bad things. Actually scares me...

Read much?

Re:Creepy (4, Insightful)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900719)

Creepy that so many people associate "Democracy" with bad things. Actually scares me...

Well, Bush and friends have done to the word "democracy" what Stalin and comrades have done to the words "socialism" and "communism"

Re:Creepy (0, Offtopic)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900823)

It is strange that there is a two sided street, in America, it was ignored as yet another left wing media thing. Maybe the term democracy was bastardized well before Bush came around.

I mean your comment only dealt with one of the reported reasons. Am I to assume that the other is acceptable to you? Or was this just an opportunity to talk bad about Bush?

Re:Creepy (3, Insightful)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900929)

Currently our democracy is a shining example of bad things. Its broken in every way, and that is why people around the world are down on it to an extent. It's not democracy itself, but our form of democracy, which is really a corporate driven government full of corruption with little real progress, change, or responsibility. We do scary things because power is unchecked. Our election system is broken and corrupt. Our sense of governing is broken and corrupt.

Our idea of political debate is standing in an empty house of congress, with a sign that says "let us vote". Our idea of public discussion and debate is 2 idiots on the news argueing talking points back and forth. Its the same thing everyday with little change, little progress, and its just not taken serious by either party or the voters. The voters have mostly given up because of this nonsense. The voters know that we only get 2 choices. Just because 10 democrats debate for candidacy, doesnt mean any of them are really any different. They are the same. REAL, political new comers.. are not allowed "IN". The chances of entering these debates is none. The chances of getting on ballots in every state, is virtually impossible and its getting harder and harder.

And we go to war over lies and bullshit. We kill people because we want to. That is why democracy isnt so loved these days. We cant even provide healthcare for our people, and we're in serious fucking debt and we refuse to tax the corporations that now have the highest dow jones ever... SOMETHING is serverely broken... and by something, i mean everything.

"Democracy" is frequently used inappropriately (5, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900987)

Everytime you hear crap about "saving our democracy" you ought to cringe. Democracy and freedom are not the same thing. You can have a monarchy and have a free society. You can have a democracy or representative democracy and have a society that is all but a police state. The abuse most commonly occurs when leftists criticize actions by regimes like the Bush Administration.

Truth is, America was a lot freer when we weren't even a democracy in name. When our founders created our country, only 1/3 of the federal body politic was directly elected. We had the lowest taxes, fewest regulations, our federal civil service was actually serving, rather than ruling, the people and federal police powers were few and far between. Today, well, speaks for itself.

I'm glad they changed the name. Their project has a lot more to do with freedom than democracy.

Re:Creepy (1, Offtopic)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901017)

Well, maybe if "democracy" immediately evokes "left wing", there are other conclusions that might follow that than "and therefore democracy is bad."

Changing name... (1)

wawannem (591061) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900323)

Makes a bigger difference than we realize. Sort of makes you wonder how many other smaller projects don't make it because of a poor name. I hate coming up with a name for anything I work on... Heck there is times when I sit and stare at the screen because I can't think of a good name (that will get me through code review). -Wes

Re:Changing name... (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900371)

Smaller projects? Heck, try talking to a high level executive about "Ubuntu". They'll tell you to go away.

Re:Changing name... (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900963)

Exactly. A good name for a software product is like the location for a restaurant. If you're REALLY good or market a lot people will know you and find you, but otherwise you'll be ignored.

Yay for name changes (1)

solafide (845228) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900327)

DP to Miro, Gaim to Pidgin, Beryl and Compiz rejoining... what next? GCC becomes Gnucco?

Re:Yay for name changes (1)

Serpentegena (991730) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900621)

Wait, Beryl and Compiz...makes Berpiz? Or Compryl?

Compryl would have a starry future in the pharmaceuticals industry.

Democracy's New Baggage (4, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900331)

... and to the rest of the world it was, rather bizarrely, being associated with the policies of the Bush administration.
I hope, for the sake of everything that I believe in, this is a false statement. It's sad that I have to go on living knowing that while I was alive a man was elected president of my country (twice!) & in that time, he was able to put a foul taste in your mouth upon saying "democracy."

I guess we can still say that the core ideas of democracy are good, that only awful men with awful goals and intentions used democracy to do wrong. I guess today Marxism sounds like an idea with potential though historically men like Joseph Stalin & Mao Zedong have given it a social stigma that the terrible things they did under its name are inherent and must occur when the idea is put into practice.

I hope the rest of the world is not convinced that democracy comes hand in hand with the actions of the United States of America today. Hopefully other countries [wikipedia.org] will become model democracies for the rest of the world.

I hope the theory of democracy is resilient enough to withstand the current administration and that it survives as a concept that can be taught to children as the model of the most fair form of government. I also hope that the rest of the world aspires to become democratic--as has been the popular progression for quite sometime. Ironically, we are tarnishing the image of a system that we hope the Iraqi people to embrace--quite possibly the reason that effort fails.

The history books will indeed be interesting to read when I am a withered old man.

I like this quote from Winston Churchill [wikiquote.org] that explains while democracy is not perfect, it is the best we've got:

Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

Republic! (1, Insightful)

pentalive (449155) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900511)

Remember, the United States has a "Republic" -

A Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for "what's for dinner".

(hmm, I wonder how you relate a republic to two wolves and a sheep...)

Re:Republic! (0, Offtopic)

Kamots (321174) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900603)

A republic would be 2 wolves and a sheep voting for who's going to decide what's for dinner.

Either way the sheep's hosed.

Re:Republic! (-1, Redundant)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900653)

A Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for "what's for dinner".

Sure. Because the powerful in US society are prohibited from using power to exploit the weak, right?

Re:Republic! (1)

ZJVavrek (952066) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900725)

Because the majority are hindered from exploiting the minority. All men being created equal, of course, of course.

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

Kman_xth (529883) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900515)

Relax. It's just the word that's getting bad publicity, not the idea itself. Like the mediaplayer, names of government systems can be changed easily.

But the question is.. what name should we give it?

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

drdaz (994457) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900871)

I have a hard time agreeing with this. Language is a (some would argue *the*) fundamental element of the society we inhabit. It's impossible to abstract from it. Without the word, there is no idea, and as the meaning of the word changes, so does the idea it's associated with.

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900521)

The reason is probably that the USA portrays itself as the most democratic country (you know, things like the US labelling their presidents "leader of the democratic world"). So if something comming from the US (or atleast, written in English) states itself as being "democratic", the rest of the world is atleast a bit skeptical.

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

Belacgod (1103921) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900777)

And then there's the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Democracy has been dragged through the linguistic mud already.

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900997)

And when Congo claims something to be democratic, the rest of the world would be equally (or perhaps a bit more so) skeptical as when the US would claim such.

I'm not saying the skepticism is justified, it just seems to be how the rest of the world sees the US.

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

drdaz (994457) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900591)

Ironically, we are tarnishing the image of a system that we hope the Iraqi people to embrace
It's also sadly ironic that it makes Bush's constant stating that 'the terrorists are those who hate freedom and democracy' (and other trash to that effect) almost prophetic.

Those countries that have been invaded and demolished by the allies in the name of both those ideals are likely to now be filled with folks who are almost forced to now hate those very things, regardless of their 'true' meaning. It strikes me as an almost sure-fire way of creating a similarly violent reaction.

Left sells out Democracy? (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900665)

I would never thought that I would live to see the day that the left wing sells out the idea of imposing democracy in favor of a Kissinger-esque RealPolitik. Back when I was a young Reagan supporter, young liberals that I argued with cringed at the notion of the USA even having a relationship with a dictatorial regime, and would argue that if the USA were to do anything, it ought to invade the middle east and topple all of these dictators once and for all. Of all the things I disagreed with from them, that struck me as ultimately the right thing, and so, when Bush set out to do that, I was shocked to hear that now the left has evolved to favor dictators and strongmen, and don't even believe that a society whose people are free is fundamentally better than a society whose people are not.

Re:Left sells out Democracy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900723)

Of all the things I disagreed with from them, that struck me as ultimately the right thing, and so, when Bush set out to do that, I was shocked to hear that now the left has evolved to favor dictators and strongmen, and don't even believe that a society whose people are free is fundamentally better than a society whose people are not.
Imposing your will upon other nations? Doesn't sound very democratic! :-)

Forcing a country to be a democracy through brute force will never work. That method hasn't worked since 1914, why still try it?

Re:Left sells out Democracy? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900735)

Its not about ideals anymore. Its about opposing what the other guy likes and vice versa. Especially when that person is Bush.

Re:Left sells out Democracy? (1)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901097)

Its about opposing what the other guy likes and vice versa. Especially when that person is Bush.

He does do a lot of that, I have to admit. Good catch.

Whinging, grizzling Bush supporters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19901137)

Its not about ideals anymore. Its about opposing what the other guy likes and vice versa. Especially when that person is Bush.
All that started (or re-started, if you are actually familiar with US history prior to WWII - a rare thing these days) with Reagan, and reached a fever pitch with Clinton.

In fact the mindless animosity towards Clinton still rages; you can't discuss anything with a self-described "Right wing" or "conservative" person these days without the conversation being inexorably drawn to the almost satanic power they ascribe to the Clintons.

Bush II, unlike Reagan, is really a pretty appropriate target for voter ire, though - you should try reading Barack Obama's (horribly titled) book "The Audacity of Hope" if you want a even-handed treatment of the so-called liberal/conservative divide.

Of course, if you are a true-blue Bushie, you won't read anything Obama writes, because it would be physically painful for you to have your mind pried open by a liberal black man.

Yeah, I don't think you're really listening... (1)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901047)

I was shocked to hear that now the left has evolved to favor dictators and strongmen, and don't even believe that a society whose people are free is fundamentally better than a society whose people are not.

First off, as I'm sure you're aware, there are some in the left who are against almost everything Bush proposes exactly because Bush proposes it. Same with the right and Clinton in the 90's. That said, most of those who were against the Iraq war from the beginning (including many conservatives who had not given up on Reagan) did not believe we should be meddling in the affairs of other countries. No matter how you paint it, that's not the same as favoring "dictators and strongmen" or not thinking "that a society whose people are free is fundamentally better than a society whose people are not." There's this crazy belief that a society whose people are free can't be forced to be free - they have to choose to be free. This idea might even be influenced by Star Trek's prime directive, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Simply, it's not one of these black-and-white worlds, left-or-right, with-us-or-against-us that some people like to paint. It's complex. You can consider yourself "on the left" and be for or against toppling regimes. Similarly with people who consider themselves "on the right".

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900695)

There's nothing wrong with the word democracy per se. It's when it's used for obvious propaganda purposes that people get skeptical. E.g. Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea), The Democratic Republic of the Congo (Former Zaire), etc. For some reason Americans and/or their administration have a tendency to do retarded things with such words (Freedom Fries anyone?).

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900829)

I found it quite amusing that if you typed "Democracy" into Google then most of the results on the first page were software related. There were a couple of references to politics but not much. Show the state of the Interweb.

Re:Democracy's New Baggage (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901161)

The thing that makes democracy work in a society like the US is accountability.

It is the lack of accountability that makes a benevolent dictatorship an impossibility. But without accountability, democracy doesn't work either.

You need independent information sources, as well as legal checks and balances, to make democracy work. If you don't have that, it really doesn't matter that much how you choose your leaders: you're just being given a choice of dictators.

Abstract? (5, Informative)

MarcoG42 (1087205) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900337)

I wouldn't call the name abstract, as miro is Spanish for "I watch." Seems perfectly suitable to me.

Re:Abstract? (3, Funny)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900399)

Sssssshhhhhhhhhh... don't ruin the surprise that English isn't the world's only language.

off-topic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19901207)

Assuming (and it's not a particularly big assumption) that you are referring to 'Americans' thinking that.. I think they know.

Especially in the southern states, they know. In fact, they know that in several industries, knowing Spanish makes you a more likely candidate for a job. No, not just flipping burgers - think being a lawyer, a foreman, architect, etc. as well. They also know that they can't force those who prefer to speak their native Spanish (or variety of hispanic language) to learn English to go around. In essence, they know that eventually, everybody is going to speak both languages until such a time as learning Spanish becomes more important than learning English.

In fact, this trend of the U.S. becoming increasingly 'hispanic' has been fully anticipated by a chain of Pizza places with origin in Texas; they now accept mexican pesos for payment. And no, this isn't just the establishments near the border - it applies to all of their establishments, as far as a thousand miles away from the border.

Now you could imagine this to be a smart move - get all the hispanics who would otherwise have to exchange their money with a fee spend it at your establishment instead - and at the end of the day/week, exchange it yourself for a smaller fee overall - or even give part of it back to a patron who's heading into Mexico anyway. Yet if more companies start doing this - there's no incentive for anybody coming out of Mexico to exchange their money to dollars. Moreover, once it proces to be more profitable to charge in pesos (as they can charge more for the 'exchange fee' and 'handling fee' and other mostly bullshit fees), payment in pesos may become preferred - bumping up the dollar prices to encourage others to pay in pesos as well. Very soon - why would a company even accept dollars anymore?

No, I don't think you'll find a single 'American' (citizen of the united states of america) who thinks English is the world's only language - if only because of the hispanic-creep.

Re:Abstract? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900411)

I wonder what "abstract" word came in second... "mierda" perhaps?

Re:Abstract? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19901337)

But it's Portuguese for "I aim"...

Liberal agenda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900373)

So wait, the feedback on their name demonstrated that many Americans viewed something with the word "democracy" in it as some kind of left-wing plot?! When did the word democracy come to signify the left of the American political spectrum? More interestingly what does that say about the right? What word signifies them to many Americans I wonder. I also wonder what this says about the American political system and Americans in general.

Re:Liberal agenda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900487)

America is a republic, not a democracy. Anything touting itself to be a democracy in America is just a vast conspiracy trying to get the support of the public for its own devious, ulterior motives.

Re:Liberal agenda (1)

sydres (656690) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900841)

the reason is that many liberal/left wing organizations have grabbed the term democratic and placed their own meaning behind this term when in fact these meanings may not be the opinion of the mainstream american who can't be bothered with differentiating

Miro? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900385)

You mean the german Miro (http://www.miro.com) that now produces computer displays, that formerly produced multimedia hardware for computers (http://www.mirosupport.de/)?
I see absolutely no problem with trademarks here.

Re:Miro? (1)

mashade (912744) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900449)

There might be a difference between a software project and a hardware company based in different countries, wouldn't you think?

Re:Miro? (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900525)

There might be a difference between a software project and a hardware company based in different countries, wouldn't you think?
Nope. Both seem to be involved in multimedia and computers so there is a clear confusion there.

Judged by who you friends are (2, Insightful)

PMuse (320639) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900481)

So now Bush has tarnished Democracy as badly as Stalin tarnished socialism.

Particularly sad, since neither one practiced either doctrine.

Re:Judged by who you friends are (2, Insightful)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900761)

Get a sense of proportion! If we add all of the highest estimates, and then assume they're all gross under-estimates we still can't hang 1,000,000 deaths on Bush. (Please note that I'm not saying that his policies are swell, just establishing an order of magnitude.) The most conservative estimates put Stalin's body count at 3,000,000, and it is almost certainly greater than 10,000,000. This number ignores WWII related deaths!

Bush's policies are indefensible. Every human life is precious. But for the love of all that is good, have a sense of proportion! Comparing Bush to Stalin is simply frivolous.

-Peter

Re:Judged by who you friends are (1)

pmsr (560617) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900827)

Right on. But keep in mind that to the parent post a million deaths is most likely a mere statistic. ;-)

/Pedro

I assumed it was a left wing media project.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900507)

.. because it kept on popping up on reddit.

Does it play nice with GPL 3.0? (1)

ringfinger (629332) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900565)

How are the data streams -- or metadata sent to/from the player -- impacted by GPL 3.0? I know the GPL 3.0 has provisions regarding web services and sending / receiving data. Is this an issue?

YUO FAIIL IT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900583)

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Bizarre? (2, Insightful)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900613)

For many Americans it conjured up an image of yet another left wing media project, and to the rest of the world it was, rather bizarrely, being associated with the policies of the Bush administration.

Not 'bizarre' at all. Actually I and everyone I know expected exactly those reactions, and were therefore puzzled by the name choice of 'Democracy Player'. It was just a half-step better then 'Freedom Player' (to make the comparison to 'Freedom Fries' even clearer, not that there is any need).

The project itself is a nice idea. Hopefully the misguided name choice didn't set it back too much.

Re:Bizarre? (1)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900727)

are you implying that, even with a Spanish name, this media player is French?

perish the thought. every one knows that the French have never contributed anything important to modern society.

Democracy and you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900629)

Burbage dies on pg. 12
Hedwig dies on pg. 56
Mad-Eye dies on pg. 78
Scrimgeour dies on pg. 159
Wormtail dies on pg. 471
Dobby dies on pg. 476
Snape dies on pg. 658
Fred Weasley dies on pg. 637

Harry gets fucked up by Voldemort on pg. 704 but comes back to life on pg. 724

Tonks, Lupin, and Colin Creevy have their deaths confirmed on pg. 743

19 years after the events in the book:

Ron has married Hermione, their two children are named Rose and Hugo

Harry has married Ginny, their three children are named Lily, James, and Albus Severus.

Draco Malfoy has a son named Scorpius

    The epilogue shows all of the children boarding the train for Hogwarts together.

The final lines of the book are: "The scar had not pained Harry for 18 years. All was well."

Plot Spoilers
Part of Voldemort's soul was implanted into Harry whenever he used Ara Kadvara on him when he was a baby. Harry then sacrafices himself a la Lilly Potter style, which allows him to kill Voldemort without killing himself. He also has hacks (stone to bring him back to life, and an uber wand).

    Snape went to the good side (Hogwarts, etc.) because he was all emo that Voldemort killed Lilly Potter.

Harry has three kids with Ginny. Ron and Hermoine fall in love.

What's in a name? (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900637)

Names seem to matter as much as the product itself. My dad designed and built something for Westinghouse that was going to Germany named the MIST. I suppose it was an acronym for something; but upon arrival in Germany, it had its name changed to something that wasn't offensive. I don't speak German, so I don't know what that would be misinturpreted as. Another naming failure was with the Chevy Nova. Nova, in espaniol, means "it doesn't go". I'm sure this was just an over site by GM. But the cars didn't sell well in Latin America and other Latin countries.

Re:What's in a name? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900861)

Another naming failure was with the Chevy Nova. Nova, in espaniol, means "it doesn't go". I'm sure this was just an over site by GM. But the cars didn't sell well in Latin America and other Latin countries.

This is also another case of an urban legend posing as a lesson in... something. Check Snopes, please:

http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp [snopes.com]

Re:What's in a name? (1)

krobe (944780) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900877)

Another naming failure was with the Chevy Nova. Nova, in espaniol, means "it doesn't go". I'm sure this was just an over site by GM. But the cars didn't sell well in Latin America and other Latin countries.
lies, http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp [snopes.com]

Status: False

This anecdote is frequently used to illustrate the perils of failing to do adequate preparation and research before introducing a product into the international marketplace. It's a wicked irony, then, that the people who use this example are engaging in the very thing they're decrying, because a little preparation and research would have informed them that it isn't true.

Re:What's in a name? (2, Informative)

cs668 (89484) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900921)

Mist is slang for manure or sh*t. But, it is often used for a device that does not work like the English phrase "what a piece of sh*t"

Re:What's in a name? (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901089)

Thank you. I'm enlightened and I learned how to swear in another language.

Re:What's in a name? (1)

cs668 (89484) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901301)

Now I feel like I have to give some more details:

So the vulgar way of saying sh*t is Scheiße - this is considered vulgar, but not as bad as in the U.S. So, in the US you might discipline your child for saying sh*t in Germany Scheiße might only get junior a bad look.

Mist is even less vulgar. Sort of like saying dung or manure. A "Mist Haufen" is a dung heap. But, Mist is still used as an expletive.

What is funny... (1)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900671)

Is that "miro" in French means someone who has very low vision.

And "Miro", in Spanish is, of course, a famous modern painter [wikipedia.org] ... Not exactly very well known for being "easy" to understand.

Re:What is funny... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19901051)

Is that "miro" in French means someone who has very low vision.
what? i am french canadian and i've never heard what the heck you're talking about.

unless it's slang from france, but you really should elaborate.

The name I voted for... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900673)

I really liked the "go to hell big media player". but the developers did not think it was a good idea to start out beating the bushes looking for snakes.

Miro is (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900703)

Spanish and Japanese for Watch, oddly.

People are too quick to get a good word as tainted (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900711)

Now they feel "democracy" is tainted too, just because bush tried to use it as a veil. Now you cant use that word that easily. Its just stupid. If some jerk comes and tries to exploit the word "good", what will happen ?

Re:People are too quick to get a good word as tain (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901115)

If some jerk comes and tries to exploit the word "good", what will happen ?


I dunno. Let's find out!

The MAFIAA don't want you to have any fair use rights. That's good!
Disney wants copyrights to last forever, in the name of all that is good.
Good for Microsoft trying to rule the known universe through monopolistic skulduggery!
It's good that Google participates in censorship in China.
The USA Patriot Act taking away all your freedoms is a good thing!
The death of Internet radio will do us all some good.

and finally,

Bush's trampling on all our rights, extinquishing our freedoms and forcing our troops in Iraq to stay and be killed is not just good, it's great!

Ok. So anything happen?

Accurate name? (2, Insightful)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900751)

For many Americans it conjured up an image of yet another left wing media project...
Uh, isn't that exactly what this project is? Don't get me wrong, I'm a lefty. If you have something small scale and open to anyone, then by definition there is going to be more working and middle class voices on it. The traditional media that requires a lot of capital to produce and distribute, such as newspapers, television, and radio, will, by definition, be the voice of its wealthy owners.

Re:Accurate name? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900847)

Except the leaders of left wing movements are almost never working or middle class...Teddy Kennedy, John Edwards, John Kerry. If you check the political opinions of the working and middle class you usually find that they tend to be more conservative.

Re:Accurate name? (2, Informative)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901159)

Except the leaders of left wing movements are almost never working or middle class...Teddy Kennedy, John Edwards, John Kerry.
You're claiming that John Edwards isn't middle class? He's from a solid working class childhood. Wikipedia says [wikipedia.org] :

Edwards was born on June 10, 1953 to Wallace Reid Edwards and Catharine Juanita "Bobbie" Wade in Seneca, South Carolina. The family moved several times during Edwards' childhood, eventually settling in Robbins, North Carolina, where his father worked as a textile mill floor worker, eventually promoted to supervisor; his mother worked as a postal letter carrier when his father left his job.[2] Edwards was the first person in his family to attend college. He first attended Clemson University and later transferred to North Carolina State University. Edwards graduated with a bachelor's degree in textile technology in 1974 from North Carolina State University, and later earned his law degree from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC), both with honors.
Anyways, the democrat politicians you mention aren't leaders in the sense you are talking about. Left-wingers don't go and do whatever they say. They are more like public servants.

If you check the political opinions of the working and middle class you usually find that they tend to be more conservative.

That's not true. There is a broad spectrum of political opinion in the working and middle class. Working and middle class people might be more socially conservative, but they are often more economically liberal. This is called populism [wikipedia.org] .

The player isn't the problem, whatever it's called (2, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900803)

The problem isn't the lack of a good PLAYER. The problem is the lack of good CONTENT.

So how about we focus instead on getting some free resources for the production of decent content? Right now, there is a VERY sharp divide between professional studio productions (that are heavily DRM'ed and can only be accessed by paying $ at sites like iTunes) and crappy home videos/video podcasts that look like they're made in a junior high AV room.

Did they do a trademark search? (1)

saterdaies (842986) | more than 6 years ago | (#19900863)

Miro happens to be the name of the company that started the Mambo Server open-source CMS project. Since I know they existed before today, they might have a good claim to stop the Miro player from using the Miro name. Software trademarks seem to go across many types of software - Firefox had to change its name to Firefox from Firebird because of the open-source relational database called Firebird. Seeing as though both Miro's Mambo and the Miro player deliver content to users, it would seem they are more related than a database and a web browser.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but people really need to do good trademark searches.

It claimed "Play any vedio file" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19900939)

But it doesn't play some of my indeo codec generated avi files on OS X, while the MPlayer for OS X does (After some tuning, but I forget detail). No offending, just FYI.

Crash! (1)

giorgosts (920092) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901007)

Democracy is good. The player is dead though because it kept crashing all the time. And people in forums had the same problem. I wish the reincarnation is better

In a world filled with youtubes... (1)

libertytoast (818807) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901205)

Will Miro catch on? I was playing around with Democracy/Miro a couple of weeks ago. Its looking pretty slick. But it seems to me that its only real advantage over youtube and its clones is its Bittorrent syndication ability. Yet I had a hard time finding any content through the client that was actually served as torrents. I suppose the ecosystem needs to evolve still, but it was discouraging to me.

PBS (1)

boris111 (837756) | more than 6 years ago | (#19901213)

Democracy Player makes me think of PBS. Where sometimes you'll find quality programming, but then you have to put up with all that other stuff the rest of the public SHOULD enjoy. The only time I ever catch myself watching PBS is when NOVA, or some weird British Sit-Com is on.
 
I don't have cable so I may consider putting together a set top computer just for this purpose.
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