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Retailers Leak New TiVo HD Specs and Price

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the tastes-great-less-filling dept.

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Brent writes "Retailers goofed and posted most of the specs of the forthcoming TiVo Series 3 Lite, which Ars says may be called 'TiVo HD' at launch. A comparison with the standard Series 3 shows that for a savings of $300, you only lose the OLED screen (do you need a screen on your TiVo?), the glowing remote (which you can pickup for $50 anyway), THX certification (worthless) and 90GB of storage. Looks like it may be a TiVo hacker's dream."

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Hackers dream? (2, Insightful)

pegr (46683) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906039)

Why, did they unTivoize the GPLed software?

Re:Hackers dream? (1)

mollog (841386) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906513)

So, What's to stop someone from buying a 750Gb HDD and replacing the 160Gb drive?

I'm a little amazed that this isn't more hackable; more DVD writers, more memory, more tuners. WTF?

After all this time, I expected much more. Maybe I should just try to build a PVR. God knows that with the low price of memory, the new multi-core processors, the low cost of disk storage and the new GPUs with vector processors, I should be able to get something worthwhile going. Too bad I don't watch more TV.

Re:Hackers dream? (1)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906549)

Typically you have been able to add additional storage space, if I understand things correctly. The Tivo S3 Lite just doesn't come with as much as it's big brother does.

Re:Hackers dream? (2, Informative)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906921)

I'd never buy another Tivo....they don't offer the lifetime 'service' any longer.

I'm not gonna buy a unit...and then have to pay a monthly 'fee' to use it for the rest of its useful life.

Re:Hackers dream? (0)

ehrichweiss (706417) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907351)

When did Tivo come with lifetime service? When they first came out/were announced it was widely publicized that you would have to subscribe to get updated listings.

Re:Hackers dream? (2, Insightful)

Kazymyr (190114) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907443)

Yes, and you could pay a wad of cash upfront and get lifetime service. I know, I have 2 tivos with lifetime. I don't pay anything monthly on them. But they stopped selling that 2-3 years ago.

Re:Hackers dream? (2, Interesting)

infaustus (936456) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907465)

When they first came out, you could buy lifetime service instead of paying monthly. I have a Series 1 Tivo with Lifetime Service. For awhile they had a deal where you could transfer the license to Series 3, too.

Re:Hackers dream? (1)

jkoke (1112287) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907491)

I still have a series 1 Tivo with lifetime service -- got it in November of 2000. Paid $199 for lifetime service, and paid $249 for lifetime service on the Series 2 that I bought in 2004. They discontinued lifetime service offering last year.

Yes. It comes with Saw 3 pre-loaded. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19906775)

Plus, it uses ReiserFS.

[Sorry. Now I'm going AC for sure.]

Re:Hackers dream? (2, Funny)

Eddi3 (1046882) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907971)

They didn't say a hacker's dream, they said a TiVo hacker's dream.

What? (2, Insightful)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906075)

What exactly makes it a "hacker's dream"?

Re:What? (5, Funny)

wawannem (591061) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906103)

well, the summary didn't mention the poster of Natalie Portman that comes with it.

Yeah, but... (1)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906503)

Can I heat grits on top of it?

Re:What? (1)

sfranklin (95470) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906325)

I'm guessing they're referring to the fact that hackers can add back that other 90 GB of storage with an added/upgraded hard drive. And I suppose the other stuff too, although I'm not sure why you'd bother.

Re:What? (2, Funny)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906389)

What exactly makes it a "hacker's dream"?

Well, hackers are poor and... well... That's Slashdot, you and your reasoning.

Re:What? (3, Insightful)

phildawg (1104325) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906559)

What makes this so great and a hacker's dream is because the features it loses that cannot be purchased were worthless. The main reason for the Tivo HD is strictly to be able to record at that quality level. A normal tivo cannot do that.

So what you lose here that cannot be replaced is THX-certification which doesn't mean anything because who has a THX professionally installed, setup, and configured home sound system? The OLED display is no big loss.

The losses that people would miss are the glow in the dark remote (which can be replaced for 50 dollars) and ESPECIALLY the additionally recording space. The 600 dollar Series 3 has a 300GB hard drive and can record about 30 hours of HD content at that quality setting. This will have a 210 GB hard drive which can record about 20-21 hours of HD content.

It should be noted that a typical normal tivo right now comes with about 80 hours worth of programming space, so the 30 and 21 hours of HD quality recording really is a setback, but fortunately you can record programs at lower quality on the HD Tivo's.

However, what makes this is the hackers dream, is for roughly 700 dollars (only 100 dollars more than the top 30 hour tivo HD), you could purchase the remote and replace the 210GB drive with Hitachi's new 1TB drive and turn it into a 100 hour Tivo HD... which is truly awesome! And within a year we will probably see 1.5TB-2TB drives that could be put into this for even more recording volume.

Re:What? (2, Informative)

phildawg (1104325) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906655)

I just wanted to say I goofed on the HD numbers. I originally looked into the Series 3 Tivo HD when it was released as I own 2 normal tivo's currently. I thought it had a 300GB hard drive and it was roughly a 10:1 ratio on space. I now see that it's a 250GB hard drive and the new version will have a 90GB hard drive. My point is still very true and even more so with this knowledge. If 250GB = 30 hours, then 160GB = 17 hours, 1TB = 120 Hours.

Re:What? (3, Informative)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906949)

the 30 and 21 hours of HD quality recording really is a setback, but fortunately you can record programs at lower quality on the HD Tivo's.
Only as long as you have the alternative to record HD programs in SD quality on an alternate SD channel carrying the same content. HD can only be recorded in HD. Last I checked, HDNET had no SD alternative. Also, the PBS stations in my area have different programming on the HD and SD channels (e.g. Doctor Who is only on the SD channel).

There's also no IR or serial control by which to use a down-converting cable box on the Series3 platform. For cable programming, you either can record analog and unencrypted digital channels, or you use CableCards.

Re:What? (1)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906851)

What exactly makes it a "hacker's dream"?

It's cheap, for a HD PVR.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19907213)

Nothing!! Clearly the poster has no clue about what it means to hack a Tivo.

*sigh* no satillite connectivity... (3, Interesting)

Itninja (937614) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906085)

I would we willing to pay an extra $300 for a Series 3 that could record HD from my satellite service (Dish Network). Having been a Tivo user for nearly 10 years, I finally had to dump my Tivo and start using the Dish Network ViP622 HD-DVR. It's not bad, but the user interface is no where near as tight as a Tivo. maybe someday Comcast will grace me with cable in my area...

Re:*sigh* no satillite connectivity... (2, Interesting)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906135)

What exactly prevents it from recording HD?

Re:*sigh* no satillite connectivity... (2, Informative)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906221)

Satellite TV boxes put out analog (component) and/or digital (DVI/HDMI) uncompressed hi-def video. To record that, you need A. a component capture device (relatively cheap/easy) or DVI/HDMI input hardware (also relatively cheap/easy), and B. real-time hi-def compression hardware (expensive/hard). That last one pretty much puts the skids on any attempt to do an HD PVR for satellite without building it into the satellite receiver.

Re:*sigh* no satillite connectivity... (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906233)

My HD satellite box (before I bought the DVR from them) only outputs via HDMI or s-Video. The Series 3 Tivo cannot take HDMI input (at least not in this picture [zatznotfunny.com] ). And of course s-Video cannot display a true HD picture.

comcast's HD DVR is worse (1)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906319)

Comcast's HD DVR is about the worst piece of shit I've ever had the dubious privellege of using. It's what I use today (HD DVR - nuff said) but it's just a shoddy piece of shit.

Part of it is plain ol' network issues - blocking, freezing and the like whenever we get a new neighbor who installs their cable.

But the actual DVR unit will lag occasionally, or get stuck in rewind/ff, and just skip to the end on occasion. I would never buy such a unit and think it's pretty much awful. I probably won't spring for HD or their DVR at the next place I live simply because of these reasons.

Re:comcast's HD DVR is worse (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906435)

Comcast's HD DVR is about the worst piece of shit I've ever had the dubious privilege of using.

I have a Comcast rented Motorola DVR6412-III, and completely agree with you. I'm on my 4th unit with them in only 3 months already,

but

Comcast is supposed to start making TiVo software DVR models available as their DVR rental unit in just the next couple of months. While it will take a while to filter through their system, I'm doing my best to be first in line when these arrive.

The user interface is so bad (1)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907197)

The user interface is so ugly and awful that you get the feeling that Comcast hated designing the thing and wish you would just use the "on-demand" feature instead of the DVR. I had it for about 2 months and the user interface was hostile. You couldn't do much of any useful search, it looked like it was an early Alpha release of the software.

Forgot about things like "suggestions" and the web-based connectivity that I'd come to expect.

Re:*sigh* no satillite connectivity... (1)

labalicious (844887) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906791)

You _don't_ want Comcast DVR service. The Motorola boxes that they give you are either broken (refurbished) or just refuse to work. I've gone through 4 boxes hoping to get a good one until they finally gave me 'a new one' which has HDMI connectivity where the old ones have component/rca inputs only.

Not only is 11 dollars a month a complete rip off it's criminal. Sometimes the box locks up and refuses to do anything for a few minutes and then replays all the commands you issued when it was locked up (imagine an old Microsoft Excel macro in action). If you're lucky, it will only 'stick' when you're fast forwarding or rewinding a recorded show. It will either bring you to the very beginning of the show or the very end. Stick with what you have, the grass is always greener from the other side of the fence. Speaking from that side, it's astroturf.

Re:*sigh* no satillite connectivity... (1)

ad1c (591741) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907463)

Maybe someday Comcast will grace me with cable in my area...

You're kidding, right? We had Comcast DVR in Massachusetts (before we moved) and the UI sucked big time. We even lost all the programming on an 80% full disk, not a power glitch, but something else.

We have DirecTV now, and the UI is much better.

- Jim

Neato keen and all but meh (1, Insightful)

TruePoindexter (975295) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906089)

Very nice, albeit still not enough to justify me getting one. Mind you the reason why I haven't is not an issue with the TiVo itself - more of a matter of nothing being on television worth watching anyway. If they add a "unSuck" button you can count me as the first person in line.

Re:Neato keen and all but meh (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906117)

Why limit it to TV? I'd like an "unSuck" button for a lot more than just TV. Sort of like the "easy" button, but without the gigantic mess.

Re:Neato keen and all but meh (0, Troll)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907269)

if you realy want an "unsuck" feature then I recomend a wife.
oh, I forgot, slashdot. before one can experience "unsuck" one must have had "suck"
sorry

Re:Neato keen and all but meh (4, Funny)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906683)

Very nice, albeit still not enough to justify me getting one. Mind you the reason why I haven't is not an issue with the TiVo itself - more of a matter of nothing being on television worth watching anyway. If they add a "unSuck" button you can count me as the first person in line.
Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own a Television [theonion.com]

Re:Neato keen and all but meh (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906695)

You're a step ahead of me... I'm still trying to justify cable!

Seems like all of the good shows can be purchased by-the-season these days. If you don't mind being the last guy around to see "Lost", then this is a big money and time saver.

Re:Neato keen and all but meh (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906821)

Mind you the reason why I haven't is not an issue with the TiVo itself - more of a matter of nothing being on television worth watching anyway.

if "there is nothing worth watching" then why are you posting?

90 GB? (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906097)

Anyone know approximately how many hours of HD content can that hold?

Re:90 GB? (1)

HTMLSpinnr (531389) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906141)

According to TFA, about 10 hours.

Me, I'd like to see a 500GB or larger drive (if that "hack" is possible, I'd be game). 160GB or even 250GB is meager in my opinion.

Re:90 GB? (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906185)

Eh - Color me unimpressed. I figured at some point Tivo would jump on the "HD" bandwagon, but if you can only store 3 or 4 movies on it, then that's pretty much a waste of money.

Re:90 GB? (2, Informative)

LMacG (118321) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906217)

90GB is the difference in disk capacities between the current Series 3 and this new unit. The capacity stated in TFA is 20 hours HD.

And TiVo "jumped on the HD bandwagon" several months ago, when the Series 3 first came out.

Re:90 GB? (1)

hpavc (129350) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907229)

When people quote these numbers they are translating HDDVD space used with HDMovie size. You dont 'tivo' a the dvdspace. Just the format you downloaded from the hd-cable/dsat provider. This can be much less than a HDDVD

Re:90 GB? (1)

LMacG (118321) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906255)

I'm sure the fine folks at weaknees.com will have a high capacity version. They already have a Series 3 with a 1TB disk -- $1399, stated capacity 144 hours HD.

Re:90 GB? (1)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906149)

20-30, guessing based on mythtv specs +/- some improvements from tivo.

Re:90 GB? (2, Informative)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906167)

From TFA, about 11 hours. The "Tivo Lite" will have a 160GB (holds about 20 hours) disk rather than the 250GB (which holds up to 31 hours) disk on the existing Series 3.

Re:90 GB? (2, Informative)

Kamots (321174) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906171)

It doesn't have 90 GB of storage.

It loses 90 GB of storage.

As to how much HD content it can store, RTFA. (31 hrs for the expensive one, 20 hrs for the new one)

I know! I know! (1)

ClayJar (126217) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906213)

Of course, I read the article. In the interest of not spoiling it for you, I'll just mention that it's on the first page.

(I'd normally answer, but I figure a bit of non-spoiling karma might come in handy. I don't get my copy of HP7 until Saturday morning at 12:01am CDT.)

Re:90 GB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19906699)

1 planet earth episode in HD on my computer is roughly 2.2GB

90GB / 2.2GB = 40.91 Episodes

Each episode is approximately 45 minutes long.

40.91 episodes x 45 = 1840.9 minutes

1840.9 minutes / 60 minutes = 30.68 hours

Finally! (2, Interesting)

mjpaci (33725) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906129)

I've been waiting for the T3 to drop in price to something my better half won't cringe at. That $700 price point was murder. Also, I am so freakin sick of the cruddy Motorola DVR that Verizon rents me that I am just peeing my pants with this pseudo press release. It will actually cost less for me to have a Tivo than that crappy DVR. (not factoring in purchase price, of course, so it will cost more, i just won't let myself believe it)

--mike

Why Spend so much? (1)

asphaltjesus (978804) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906487)

http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ [team-mediaportal.com] if you like win32. You need a card with the mpeg decoder on board.

http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html [mysettopbox.tv] if you like linux. Cheap pci cards/usbpvr2 work great.

Re:Why Spend so much? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906527)

None of that stuff works with HD digital cable.

Re:Why Spend so much? (1)

asphaltjesus (978804) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906701)

In some instances, yes they do. Mediaportal has a plugin that treats some digital cable boxes like a tuner. You still need an mpeg encoder/decoder card to write the data to disk. I'm not sure about knoppmyth.

 

Re:Why Spend so much? (1)

iwoof (806811) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907301)

Myth can record HD using firewire from Digital Cable boxes.

In many areas, Comcast has removed the 5C encryption from all but the pay channels, so it is actually useful.

--Woof!

90 freaking GB? (0, Offtopic)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906173)

What? Does the damn thing use a 1.8" drive?

Re:90 freaking GB? (2)

LabRat (8054) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906239)

As has been addressed in prior comments, as well as TFA...the new device will have 160GB, which is a 90GB loss in comparison to the current Series-3. A literal reading of the summary gives that information as well, though I can see where a quick skimming would lead one to the wrong conclusion if s/he couldn't be bothered to actually read the article before commenting on it.

Re:90 freaking GB? (1)

CmdrPorno (115048) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906451)



That's awesome that it uses a 1.8" drive! Maybe it will be the same form factor as an Apple TV or Mac Mini!

Re:90 freaking GB? 160GB, and here's why... (2, Informative)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906479)

It has a 160GB drive, giving an estimated 21 hours of HD recording. The reason for the smaller drive is most likely to that they can still maintain a market for the much more profitable Series 3 Heavy at $799 + monthly programming fees.

yawn... (-1, Troll)

araczynski (265221) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906243)

personally i still don't watch enough television to even have a use for one of these even if it was free. i'm assuming that on top of that there's some monthly charge for some 'service' correct? but hey, to each their own.

Re:yawn... (1)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906465)

So you're just posting in a TV-related thread to be smug about your rich and fulfilling non-TV-polluted life then? Gotcha.

Re:yawn... (1)

araczynski (265221) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906759)

hehe :) maybe subconsciously, but lest anyone think i view myself as 'better', i'll just say i prefer to waste my time on games instead of tv :)

There's always one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19906799)

Re:There's always one. (1)

araczynski (265221) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906865)

then i suppose it wouldn't hurt to mention that i don't own an ipod or a cell phone? (more time for gaming and less interruptions) ;)

oo! (1)

accessdeniednsp (536678) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906245)

yum! gimme gimme gimme!!

Losers! (1, Informative)

Glove d'OJ (227281) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906249)

"Retailers goofed and posted most of the specs of the forthcoming TiVo Series 3 Lite, which Ars says may be called 'TiVo HD' at launch. A comparison with the standard Series 3 shows that for a savings of $300, you only lose the OLED screen (do you need a screen on your TiVo?), the glowing remote (which you can pickup for $50 anyway), THX certification (worthless) and 90GB of storage. Looks like it may be a TiVo hacker's dream."

The 90GB is what you LOSE, in addition to the remove, OLED screen, THX, etc.

You LOSE 90GB (250->160), not HAVE 90GB storage.

Damn. If you don't RTFA, at least parse the /. story correctly...

Re:Losers! (4, Insightful)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906441)

Let me help you out and parse it with bullet points: ... you only lose:
*the OLED screen (do you need a screen on your TiVo?)
*the glowing remote (which you can pick up for $50 anyway)
*THX certification (worthless)
*90GB of storage

Now, why didn't 'you' parse the submission right?

Re:Losers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19906915)

No you misunderstand - he read the story right, he just doesn't know how to click the "Relpy to This" link to correctly reply to posters(s) that misread the story.

Re:Losers! (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906673)

A bigger problem, the Tivo Series 3 has 2 Cablecard slots. this tivo3 lite does not say anywhere that it can use the cablecard. (I hope it can and I simply missed it.)

On most cabletv plants lack of a cablecard make a HD recorder pretty much useless. you do not have component in or hdmi in record ports and most unscrambled QAM content on cableTV lines is pretty paltry. Some places even have the OTA HD channels scrambled which is a violation of FCC law but the cable operator doesn't give a flying fart.

Re:Losers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19907153)

It's going to have at least one cablecard slot. TiVo isn't likely to make a device that isn't even functional.

Re:Losers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19907009)

> Damn. If you don't RTFA, at least parse the /. story correctly...

You must be new here.

Still doesn't change a big price difference (4, Interesting)

rsborg (111459) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906307)

Disclaimer: I'm currently owner of a Tivo Series2, unhacked, unmodified, connected to a SDTV, 5.1 receiver, and receiving analog cable (so I don't have to futz around with the channel blaster or deal with a cable box). I pay approx. $55/mo for this.

That said, if I'm going to get a new Tivo, I have to deal with a lot of new issues:

  1. $$$: A new HDTV-compatible receiver and display
  2. $$: Cost of upgraded Cable services
  3. $: Cost of cable-card rental fee (x2 if I want to record 2 channels at a time)-or- dealing with the channel blaster again (yukk!)

So in addition to the upgrade to HDTV, I will have to shell out probably another $30-$50 a month, which I really don't see as being necessary, and for what? HDTV? Forget it.

On the other hand, this news [arstechnica.com] seems promising, if Comcast doesn't f$ck it all to hell.

Re:Still doesn't change a big price difference (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907803)

Why do you have to pay for both the HDTV-compatible receiver and a cableCARD? You should only need the receiver if your TV doesn't have an ATSC tuner in it and you want to use it in conjunction with the cableCARD. If you have the receiver though you don't need the cableCARD since the receiver will authorize you for the channels (which is the sole purpose of the cableCARD).

Not surprising (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906317)

With the rising popularity of HD, Tivo is losing a LOT of customers. I know they lost me earlier this year. I had been a Tivo user for over 4 years. But when I upgraded to HD, I had two options. I could pay my cable company $7 a month for their DVR, or give Tivo $800 AND another $10 a month on top of that for their DVR. Guess which I chose?

I loved the Tivo interface and all the neat extra features it came with. But I didn't love it THAT much. Even the Tivo rep couldn't bring herself to argue against it when I called to cancel (sounded like she had heard the same call MANY times recently).

Even at $500, instead of $800, I still can't afford Tivo HD. At this price you think it would at least come with a DVD burner, like the Humax Tivo model I used to have (I *really* miss the old girl).

Re:Not surprising (1)

SnapperHead (178050) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906733)

I agree, even with the cheaper price of this new TiVO device I still won't buy it, its still way too expensive for the little extra you get. If TiVO was $10 a month and that included the rental of the equipment I would do it in a hot second. Spending more then $100 on the device is ridiculous, and unless TiVO changes the pricing structure they will die off in time.

Re:Not surprising (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907121)

If you're flinching at the price, they're not marketing it to you.

Re:Not surprising (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907459)

At this price you think it would at least come with a DVD burner, like the Humax Tivo model I used to have
Not while the TiVo is dependent upon CableCards to record some channels. That DVD drive becomes a potential way for you to make perfect copies of cable programming on removable media. They can't risk some bug or exploit that could reclassify all-digital recordings from digitized analog recordings allowing unauthorized copying.

Keep in mind that the Series3 TiVo still doesn't have the TiVoToGo functionality to pull shows from other TiVos to the more-secure Series3 platform, and won't until CableLabs signs off on it. (Much like how DirecTV vetoed the same feature off their TiVo-integrated units.)

You aren't even allowed to share video podcasts between Series2 TiVos; each must subscribe to the podcast, multiplying the bandwidth consumption. Nor can you keep too many episodes of any one of them on your unit, or use the Save to VCR or DVD features. They suggest it is at the choice of the podcaster, but why is it that not one has elected to allow these operations?

(I have the current OLED Series3 TiVo. It is my eighth TiVo. The seventh was the Humax DVD recorder. The remaining 6 are split equally between Series1 and Series2 units. Two units are lifetime and I play $6.95 * 4 a month, the Series3 prepaid for 2 years. A 20hr Series1 has never been subscribed. Summer rerun season sucks.)

It's a done deal for me. (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906323)

I actually love my Windows 2005 MCE box -- 4 tuners. The problem is CableCard compatibility is impossible. It just doesn't work. I'm ready to give up the system I've perfected (other than encrypted HD and CableCard), for a box like the Tivo.

I had the original Tivo the week it came out, and I do miss it. TWF (The Wife Factor) is a big one, and she misses the Tivo also. Just to keep her happy I'd pay $30 a month if I had to for Tivo (2 phone calls from her a month about a broken TV is pricier than it sounds, and she's a geek too).

Re:It's a done deal for me. (1)

SScorpio (595836) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907099)

Have you looked into hooking up a digital receiver to your computer using firewire to capture HD and the digital channels without needing to use cable cards? You can use an Xbox 360 as an extender to a TV and it makes it a little easier to get into the DVR software. You will also be able to move the computer away from the TV and into a closet so you won't need to worry about noise.

What is the purpose of the monthy charges? (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906333)

contributions?

So how hard is it to hack it with a bigger drive? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906351)

I'm thinking a few hundred GB to start - what was the drive type again?

And is it pin-controlled, software set, or hard-wired?

Gotta have some place to put my Red Dwarf and Darkworld episodes ...

OT Recommendations (2, Informative)

asphaltjesus (978804) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906449)

I've configured both knoppmyth http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html [mysettopbox.tv] and mediaportal for win32 http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ [team-mediaportal.com] .

Each has their caveats. Knoppmyth works better once you get it rolling, but there's lots of fiddly work to get it going. Lots of fiddly work. Once it's up its rock steady. It manages powering down/sleeping between scheduled shows much better than win32.

MediaPortal is easier to set up. Buggy interface though. Not show-stoppers but whacky things that make it hard to use. For reasons I haven't investigated it uses some kind of proprietary file type to store the shows. If someone knows how to set it up to make an mpeg that would be great. http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ [team-mediaportal.com]

Re:OT Recommendations (1)

colinnwn (677715) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907717)

Knoppmyth is rock solid until a stick of memory dies, and in the process screws up the hard drive data so bad fsck can't recover it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE MythTV. It's just not for the faint of heart or short of time. Anyone know of a guide to walk me through recovering Linux when it has fatal hard drive booting errors?

a viable ATSC OTA option (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906459)

I'm a TiVo Series 1 user who doesn't consider anything on cable worth coughing up $30+/month for, so I get all the TV I need over the air. Given the imminent demise of free programing data for MythTV, and the continuing absence of those legendary digital-to-analog converters the Feds promised us, this may turn out to be my best option for when the analog transmitters go dark. If only I could transfer the "lifetime service" from my Series 1 to one of these... Still, it's cheaper to pay TiVo for an EPG than to subscribe to cable.

Re:a viable ATSC OTA option (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907017)

"Given the imminent demise of free programing data for MythTV..."

Don't worry, the MythTV people are working on a fix for this. Check out this link [easytvdata.org] .

Re:a viable ATSC OTA option (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19907471)

Given the imminent demise of free programing data for MythTV...

Even if MythTV turns out to be unable to find a new source of programming data, the commercial competitors (SageTV, BeyondTV, etc) are only $80 one-time. SageTV, for one, has a linux version as well. And, of course, they're all still much cheaper than til-death-do-I-pay TiVo plans.

Standard not worth the extra $500 ... (2, Insightful)

wximagery95 (993253) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906461)

THX cert means little if your speakers/TV aren't also in a room that is THX certified. Unless you are a serious audiophile, it's like having heated car seats when you live in Florida. Cool feature, but not worth an extra $500 when you will probably never use it (hear the difference).

The smaller HD is a bummer, but if the units are as easy to upgrade as the older units were, it's easy to image/re-image onto a larger HD.

So, upgrade the HD in the Lite and the only "functionality" you give up over the Standard is the THX logo.

tivoToGo? (1)

doroshjt (1044472) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906501)

Well with series 2 and tivo 2 go you can offload videos to your computer and back and forth with things like galleon.tv. Hopefully they keep this kind of functionality with series 3 lite. Another question I have, is why didn't they come out with this version first? Why go with a box that is garenteeed to have limited user base. If they came out with the 3 lite version first, I would have been an early adopter. Sometimes TiVo's decisions blow my mind. (as in tivo desktop 2.4 doesn't work with Vista, but if you install 2.3 it works just fine???)

Re:tivoToGo? (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906643)

I doubt it the cable card people nurfed pretty much all the useful features. I'm sticking with my series 2 SD and HD tivo's at least I can move content back and forth and between them. Having a weeks worth of general hospital automatically sync to the ipod has a big WAF potential.

They told me it was coming soon (1)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906663)

I've had a tivo for years and refuse to take the HD boxes that comcast are trying to peddle.

TivoToGo is the killer feature for me. I honestly don't care if it's only SD quality, i just can't justify "upgrading" to something that's missing features.

Re:tivoToGo? (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907691)

Well with series 2 and tivo 2 go you can offload videos to your computer and back and forth with things like galleon.tv. Hopefully they keep this kind of functionality with series 3 lite.
Sorry, there's no TiVoToGo functionality on Series3 TiVos. CableLabs, responsible for certifying hardware that use CableCards, won't allow it.

My Tivo Series 3 Perspective (5, Informative)

Hangtime (19526) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906619)

I just purchased my Tivo Series 3 (the wife and I are Tivo nuts and we just bought an HDTV so it was required) and here's my notes so far.

1. Cablecard installation sucks. Make sure when you talk to the provider that they ALWAYS bring 2 Cablecards. It just took for times for TimeWarner to actually get cable going. None of this is Tivo's fault as much as its lack of understanding on the cable company side. The problems are in two places: one - firmware upgrades can take FOREVER, it literally took my 3 days to update the Cablecards, two: provisioning the TWC head-end folks have not quited figured this out yet and it took the guy talking to a friend to get the cards provisioned correctly. So when they come out make sure they try to flash the cards before they leave HQ and know someone on the other side that knows how to provision.

2. The lost 90 GB is not much of a problem. Tivo Series 3 have an eSATA connection that can be enabled through a backdoor code (see http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.ph p?t=350510 [tivocommunity.com] on how to do so). Then you get yourself a $50 enclosure and $300 1 TB drive and your rocking for approximately the same price.

3. I wish the OLED wasn't even there and I had $50 back. You can't see it half the time and its so small its tough to read from across the room.

4. THX: I don't have a home theater (working on that but gotta be a little more frugal now) so I wouldn't worry about it.

The $300 price point is the magic number and when it comes in watch out because these will start flying on the shelves.

Re:My Tivo Series 3 Perspective (1)

Kenrod (188428) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906931)

Presence of an eSATA port on the Tivo lite has not been confirmed.

Re:My Tivo Series 3 Perspective (1)

edwinolson (116413) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907423)

Actually, I really like the OLED display. My old series 1 had two LEDs. Power and recording. The S3's OLED display shows what two programs are being recorded, plus the time. It *is* a bit small, but I'm very happy to have it.

Re:My Tivo Series 3 Perspective (3, Interesting)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907797)

1. Also, CableCards seem to be really picky about how many splitters there are in the cable. My TWC really wanted the TiVo to be the only thing connected to the wall, but could tell from my setup that that simply was not feasible. I did determine that one splitter was blocking some frequencies and had to ditch it.

2. eSATA port is unconfirmed. (BTW, I hate that people selling cables try to sell "internal eSATA cables". I almost bought the wrong kind because they haven't learned that the "e" stands for "external".)

3. Even if you can't read the OLED display from across the room, you can still tell from a glance (on a unit not in Standby mode) whether what's recording on a tuner is a scheduled recording of yours or not (Suggestions are not named on the OLED; scheduled recordings are).

4. I wish earlier models included an Emmy symbol the year TiVo was awarded one.

I'm waiting for my $300 rebate, but I won't use it to buy another one. Eight TiVos are enough for me right now. (Heh, my first two 14hr Series1 TiVos also had $300 in rebates, making them cost -$0.01 after rebate, not considering taxes on pre-rebate price.)

THX worthless... hahahahha so true. (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 7 years ago | (#19906919)

I love how the THX logo is branded on everything now, and none of it really is THX quality. THX has become a marketing angle, but it really does and is nothing.

THX only matters if they're sending an engineer to your home studio, to custom craft an audio solution for your home studio's room size, shape, materials, and how it all effects the acoustics.

but yeah they dont.. So its just a dam sticker on a box.

Re:THX worthless... hahahahha so true. (1)

modecx (130548) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907327)

THX has become a marketing angle, but it really does and is nothing.

Oh, come on, at least give them some credit. They do make nifty surround sound demo tracks.

Re:THX worthless... hahahahha so true. (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907979)

My teacher in school was the inventor [wikipedia.org] of THX, the theatrical motion picture system. He was eventually forced out of Lucasfilm in the early 90s, and every now and then we would mention the newest "THX" product we saw, like around the time were in school, car audio systems were starting to get "THX" certifications. He'd just roll his eyes and laugh, and mutter "ridiculous."

The original tech, a THX movie theater, is still worth seeking out, since they still enforce the quality control standards in those (after all, this is the only thing George cared about in the first place). Everything else is a co-branding marketing gimmick.

Math is hard. (1)

Thad Boyd (880932) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907081)

From TFA:

Series 3 Standard: $799 (but ~$300 less with rebates, sales)
Series 3 Lite: $299

I am curious as to where you get "savings of $300" from those numbers.

$0 is still cheaper (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907173)

You can get a Dish Network DVR622 for free with an 18 month commitment now. 250GB of storage and coming in August you can use external USB drives for even more storage. Online records are coming in September via dishonline.com. Add that it can record three unique HD feeds at a time (2 Sat + 1 OTA) and Dish offers the most HD channels of any provider (6 more coming August 15th). I just don't see why people pay for receivers/DVR's any more.

Why does Tivo get so much publicity? (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907487)

TiVo has only a 30-40% market share of a total DVR market of roughly 10-12 million systems.

Ontop of that, they're testing popup ads.....baaaaaaahhhh. Nice of mods to give some free ads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiVo [wikipedia.org]

Alternatives. http://www.dvrplayground.com/ [dvrplayground.com]

Re:Why does Tivo get so much publicity? (2, Informative)

mkraft (200694) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907679)

First off, popup ads were never implemented. TiVo tested them on a few people, found they didn't work well and scrapped them. I don't know why people always bring this up since there hasn't been a popup ad on a TiVo in over 2 years. There's far more ads on the cable box Comcast gives me (they're all over the guide), than I ever see on my TiVo.

Second, TiVo is the best known DVR out there and the most successful purchasable one there is. When Comcast starts selling their own HD DVR that's as good as TiVo (which will never happen) I'm sure you'll read it here.

Third, TiVo is one of the easiest DVRs to use which is probably why they won an emmy [gizmodo.com] for Outstanding Achievement in Enhanced Television Programming.

Here's what I want from the next TiVO (1)

aegl (1041528) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907537)

Just in case any TiVO people are reading this thread ... here's my wish list of features before I'll upgrade from my old TiVo

1) 2-way cablecards ... so I can still access on-demand content from Comcast
2) Standby mode that sucks 2W (current system eats 40W 24x7, yech!)
3) External drive ... so I can customize capacity

Minor Revision (1)

popejeremy (878903) | more than 7 years ago | (#19907841)

The title has a minor grammatical error. It reads, "Retailers Leak New TiVo HD Specs and Price"

It should read "Retailers Get Websites To Do Their Advertising For Them For Free"

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