IE Dropping, Now Near 70% In Europe 184
Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."
How is this not a dupe? (Score:4, Insightful)
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While we're at it, I think I should link this graph [smbc-comics.com], just in case.
Wow, is Mozilla going to "stay the course"? (Score:5, Funny)
George W Bush = Firefox.
Stay the course, guys. Victory against Microsoft is just around the corner.
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Re:How is this not a dupe? (Score:5, Funny)
The previous story was about Firefox gaining market share.
This story is about IE "loosing" ground.
Completely different.
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Good Lord people...at least if you post it front page get it right!!!
It is lose not loose....
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It doesn't loose any ground? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:It doesn't loose any ground? (Score:5, Funny)
Pound it into our heads why don't ya? (Score:5, Informative)
"Mozilla's Firefox web browser has made dramatic gains on Microsoft's Internet Explorer throughout Europe in the past year with a marked upturn in FF use compared to IE over the past four months, according to French web monitoring service XiTiMonitor. A study of nearly 96,000 websites carried out during the week of July 2 to July 8 found that FF had 27.8% market share across Eastern and Western Europe, IE had 66.5%, with other browsers including Safari and Opera making up the remaining 5.7%. In some key European markets FF has already reached parity and is threatening to overtake IE as the market leading browser."
From the current blurb:
Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."
I realize we have the Firehose now but are people who read Slashdot daily using it properly? We don't need two stories in a short time frame (4 days) about the same topic.
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Dupe!
j/k
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I guess we do if we lose first story before the second one is loosed upon us.
I guess
Now, where is that link to "annoying internet terms"?
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eBay. Same place I got mine.
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What do you mean, framed? He only paid for 4 digits, and got 6. That's, like, 50% free.
At least that's what everyone tells me...
Methodology (Score:5, Insightful)
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I don't think they're meaningless. Inaccurate maybe. I can see how users of Firefox would visit certain sites more often than users of other browsers, and that could skew the numbers.
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Basically, they have what they call markers (actually small images) on literally millions of Websites
What they call "markers", the rest of the world calls web bugs [eff.org].
A lot of personal proxies (such as Privoxy) filter out crap like this. The kind of user that would use a product like Privoxy is also the kind of user that would tend to use Firefox. Makes me wonder if the Firefox numbers might not actually be a little higher overall.
I'm Loosing My Mind! (Score:3, Funny)
Lose vs Loose (Score:5, Informative)
loose ground
This is a hard one for non-native English speakers, because "lose" is pronounced so bizarrely it sounds like it needs two Os. However, "loose" is how we describe poor security, and "lose" is what happens when I try to play one of these newfangled video games. FYI, FWIW.
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Lose sounds like 'Luuze' while
Loose sounds like 'Luce'.
Weird.
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It seems to me that "Loose" sounds like "Loose"—if you take most words in English that end with "-oose" as a guide, e.g., "moose", "goose", or "caboose".
OTOH, "lose" sounds like "Loose"—if you take "choose" as a model of how the "-oose" should sound.
I think the better statement is that "English spelling is only loosely connected to pronunciation".
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For "hose" which is frequently mispronounced "Ho's" but is apparently pronounced "Who's".
Hmmm. Or not.
Hose
Nose - When at the landfill, no nose is good news.
Lose
English makes no sense.
I'm oppoosed to loose myself but I recall that Mark Twain "I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way."
My preference iz that wee wud fix speling to match sound and reemoove al ov the excepshions.
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Lose, choose, chews—loose, spruce, deuce. Except for urban graffiti, English is not a phonetically spelled language.
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And a lot of native speakers as well.
Personally I don't understand that, since I read books a lot and am an excellent speller.
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Nose
Dose
Hose
Rose
Lose
Yup... something's off.
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Doze is pronounced the same as pose, nose etc.
Dose is pronounced like close, but only if you mean close as in near. Close as in 'close up shop' is like doze.
What a mess
English isn't so much a set of rules as it is a set of exceptions.
My biggest english hangup is with archive...having been taught phonetically I always say ar-CHive, like 'chive', when it should be pronounced as arkive. I know this, I always think this when I say it, but it always comes out l
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having been taught phonetically
Ah. One of the victims of the great liberal experiment with education (I tend to think of it as legalized child abuse).
I have to apologize on behalf of my generation. I'm not one of those responsible, but I should have seen it happening and done something to stop it.
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In English English (the Queen's, I guess), they say the word "schedule" as shed-jule.
In American English (or the highway, bitches), we say the same word as sked-jule.
It's not enough of a difference to make the word difficult to understand in everyday speech, but just enough difference to make everyone in earshot of the "foreign" way giggle when they hear it. Especially us "dumb" Americans, since we like to make fun of anything that sounds different (including each ot
Re:Lose vs Loose (Score:5, Funny)
i think "lose" should be spelled with two O's and a Z just like it sounds... like booze.
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Something that may help you remember how to spell the-verb-that's-the-opposite-of-win, is to look at its past tense spelling: 'lost'. One 'o' in 'lost', therefore one 'o' in 'lose'.
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But that's what Davy wanted to call it.
"Refrigerator-freezer" seems "too long," too, but I don't call it a refrigideezer (although George Carlin does).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Spelling [wikipedia.org]
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But that's what Davy wanted to call it.
"Refrigerator-freezer" seems "too long," too, but I don't call it a refrigideezer (although George Carlin does).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Spelling [wikipedia.org]
'refrigideezer' is not a word while 'Aluminium' is the IUPAC spelling and is widely used in scientific literature outside America. There is a huge difference between the two situations. Moreover, I am not against the use of 'Aluminum'. I have accepted that a lot of people call it that and do not object to its use in any way. I personally prefer the use of 'Aluminium' since I like it better.
Cheers!
May be "poor security to you..." (Score:2)
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I've given up on worrying about what non-native speakers do to English. Over the years of knowing many non-native speakers, I've figured out the ways in which English makes no sense to them, and the way in which they make odd-sounding conjugations etc are perfectly reasonable in terms of how their own language works and how they were taught English (mostly). They're usually following a perfectly reasonable rule -- as a friend points out, his English is w
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Now I'm worried again.
Europe (Score:5, Funny)
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Actually, TFA says IE is UNDER 70% (Score:2)
..and what does "loose ground" mean, anyway? Some kind of freak geological phenomenon?
Another poor dupe (Score:4, Informative)
2. Yay firefox... but honestly is it all that important? How about discussing ways we can actually get firefox to perform better? Now that's a conversation actually worth having, but it might involve thinking instead of rabid fanboyism & MS hatred, so don't expect to see it on Slashdot.
3. For the last freakin' time: Your mom is loose, you are just a loser can you finally get it right!!??!?!?!!
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The only solution would be some sort magical free CPU cycles over-unity processor. Steorn is working on it.
For the last freakin' time: Your mom is loose, you are just a loser can you finally get it right!!??!?!?!!
Your evil
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We can make it perform better by using adblocking extensions as well as NoScript and a handful of other addons. They (i.e. Mozilla) are working on making Firefox itself perform better, and they are progressing quite well. I have installed Gran Paradiso (Firefox 3 Alpha) in Windows on my home desktop, and it can give IE7 a run for its money, performance-wise.
loose any ground (Score:2, Funny)
To be fair, the Europeans do have rotten taste (Score:4, Funny)
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Not a fucking chance mate, cheers!
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BBspot (Score:2, Informative)
Ok, ok, we get it (Score:2)
Surprisingly, not really (Score:2)
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If everyone else plays dirty, you have to aswell, otherwise you lose.
If we get to a position where browsers are standards compliant, and compete on product quality... It benefits everyone in the end.
Missing S (Score:4, Funny)
Because of cleaner and more productive experience (Score:2, Interesting)
IE dropping and IIS rising (Score:2)
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Hmm, in geological time yes, give or take a few million years...
Throw a party (Score:2)
I'm not even commenting on which browser is better, that's not of significance*.
PS: I'm a Firefox user and web developer.
Both browsers have problems (Score:2)
While I prefer Firefox myself, I got into trouble with both IE and Firefox. As a hobby project, I run a website [mensafuchs.de] about my university cafeteria: You can retrieve the menu there in various forms, including a web page, RSS feeds, and a CSV interface. For this interface, I created a firefox extension using XUL. If you want to try it, be warned: XUL documentation is either non existing, or outdated. developing consisted mainly of trial and error (and of course skimming other extension, which probably did the sam
My web stats for June (Score:3, Informative)
Still MS demands IE for a lot of their services (Score:2)
For all other purposes I happily use Firefox. It feels like pain every time I have to start IE.
My numbers from april (Score:2)
Re:Any more data? (Score:5, Informative)
Yep!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_b
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The about:config setting you're looking for is config.trim_on_minimize. Set this true.
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I think this raises a point, though, in relation to browser share. The majority of users do not want to have to tweak anything. If they need to change Firefox configs in order to match performance under IE7, most would instead go back to IE7.[1]
Personally, I don't think browser share is the ultimate measure of how good a browser Firefox is. The only reason why I think it's important that FF and other browsers eat away
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As far as that goes, any software developer knows that when it comes to performance, you can maximize for size or speed, but not both. In this case, FF chose to optimize for speed, rather than size, but left a config option for those who would rather they had taken
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The last time this happened I quit my other memory-hogging processes (dev environment, GIMP, etc), it didn't help. Restarting Firefox did--thankfully all my dozen or so tabs were restored.
At no time were all processes taking
What the Hell? (Score:2)
Maybe you really aren't a Microsoft shill, but you sure sound like one.
4 tabs open in IE7 and firefox + both minimised > ie7 using 4MB! firefox is using 60MB! wtf?
This is a logical fallacy of some crazy kind. Is IE a standalone application that's reporting its *actual* memory use? Very doubtful.
How about the dog-slowedness of rendering in IE7? Wait. don't tell me it's rocket-fast for you right?
http://www.google.com/search?q=ie7+slow&ie=utf-8&o e=utf-8 [google.com]
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But, as others have pointed out, MSIE is known for not reporting memory usage correctly, so it's very hard to make like for like memory usage comparisons based solely on the numbers reported by Task Manager.
Re:Note to editors (Score:5, Informative)
Here's Looking to IE8 (Score:2)
My biggest complaint
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And of course you could keep MSIE as your main browser. It's not as if you were changing your mailclient or something. Like you could use notepad AND word
MSIE sucks, Firefox is nice, it's as simple as that.
Try out the free add ons.
http://www.mozilla.com/ [mozilla.com]
Re:Deja Vu all over again... (Score:4, Funny)
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loose [reference.com]
A small sample:
Over-generalising isn't going to help them remember. It'll only confuse them more when they encounter a less common usage, and think they've got it backwards again.
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Even there, 'loose' is not the word they want. Loose in that sense is still a different word. If you take that definition, the sentance would have approximate meaning (in modern langauge) of "Internet Explorer continues to liberate dirt." which seems to be a fancy way of calling IE a plow.
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Konqueror.
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Question is just how long. If there's a market, it will become interesting.
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Follow your own advice (Score:2)
Why? Because IE isn't just another browser. It's a Windows-only browser with proprietary features (ActiveX, etc.) that promotes lock-in. So lots of people care about IE's market share, and lots of people, for all sorts of selfish resons, want IE to fail.
Don't like it? Fine, follow your own advice and STFU already.
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