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Security Researcher Chases Virus Maker Off the Net

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the i-didn't-know-we-could-do-that dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "There is a great writeup over on CNET covering the pursuit of a virus writer who created a fake Grand Theft Auto game, crippling PCs by causing them to endlessly reboot. Despite the police apparently not being very interested, a security researcher pursued his man anyway, culminating in a teary eyed 'I'm leaving the internet' post from the virus writer himself. Awesome stuff, and one in the eye for the bad guys (for once)."

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I prefer Apple's approach (4, Funny)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919773)

They just send someone to do the hit on the virus writer.

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (1, Funny)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919829)

I'd prefer Apple's approach even more if they really did it.

I'm serious. I think the act of writing a virus or piece of malware should result in the aquisition of a .45 caliber sized hole in the forehead. There's nothing wrong with these people that I couldn't fix in about 10 minutes with a roofing hammer.

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (4, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920043)

I'm serious. I think the act of writing a virus or piece of malware should result in the aquisition of a .45 caliber sized hole in the forehead. There's nothing wrong with these people that I couldn't fix in about 10 minutes with a roofing hammer.

Why not let the punishment fit the crime? They give you a data-scrambling virus, dose them up with mercury. They give you a virus that infects others, we give them herpes. Etc, etc...

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (2, Insightful)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920137)

Do you really think giving him a virus that could infect innocent people he might come into contact with would really be a punishment that fits the crime?

I'm not apposed to death, life in prison, a small but brutal beating by everyone effected, a lawsuit from everyone ever infected for the downtime, expense and aggravation their virus cause And then making them work at something that pays enough to keep him alive while at the same time paying everyone he infected. I don't know how you could do something that fits the crime to someone like this unless you punish him for everyone effected.

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (1)

Hucko (998827) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922715)

mercury would work then, or lead does at about 60+ ppm

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920741)

1/5th of the population already has herpes; 80% are asymptomatic. Males are more likely to be asymptomatic than females. The difference between type 1 and type 2 are also largely academic.. either *can* exist at, or around, most orifices. Despite the FUD surrounding the fact that there's no *cure*, treatment can manage symptoms quite effectively. Ethics aside, the flu would likely be a worse punishment.

Of course the idea that it's at all appropriate to intentionally infect someone with a biological virus in response to a computer virus is absurd. Speaking from experience, a couple of weeks in the poke is enough to get all but the most hardened individuals to re-evaluate their life choices, and I highly doubt most virus writers would fall into the category of hardened criminals.

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920841)

Do you think Westmoreland was in the Navy, you stupid cocksucker? Dear Sniveling
Little Shit, Who said he was in the Navy...whoops you just stepped on your
tiny dick again. ... What the fuck did you do? Sleep dry and eat 3 hots a day!
Fuck you too.

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (2, Funny)

JContad (1088777) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920859)

...Except that I would like to be in a position where there's a risk of getting Herpes.

For once.

Please.

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (3, Funny)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921715)

They give you a virus that infects others, we give them herpes.

You are volunteering to give him herpes? That's a brave admission, man.

What about Bill Gates? (2, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922079)

Why not let the punishment fit the crime? They give you a data-scrambling virus, dose them up with mercury. They give you a virus that infects others, we give them herpes. Etc, etc...

So what does Bill Gates get? While some of his data scrambling has been accidental, much is intentional. The upgrade treadmill alone has cost more than any virus or trojan and it hits those who try hardest! Sabotage of other company's software has also cost millions of man hours. The problem with your method of punishment is that it must just suck to be Bill Gates. How can you get any crazier than to sit around dreaming of global software domination, smear campaigns and other strangeness M$ gets up to at his command?

Re:What about Bill Gates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19922571)

"How can you get any crazier than to sit around dreaming of global software domination, smear campaigns and other strangeness M$ gets up to at his command?"

I don't know. Maybe sitting in your parents' basement, foaming at the mouth every time somebody mentions Gates or Ballmer, seeing a conspiracy theory behind every .msi file, and thinking that 99% of the replies to your posts are made by "M$" employees devoted solely to your insignificant ass?

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (1)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921427)

I think if there hadn't been any computer viruses, that software companies wouldn't bother much with security. And then, there would be someone who would write a virus, and the damage would be much more severe. Besides, right now, we actually have a choice between a secure and an insecure operating system. Why all those people choose the insecure system? Probably because they don't know any better, and the vendor claims that it is secure, which it obviously isn't.

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922017)

Since this was modded troll, does that mean Slashdot supports viruses and malware?

Re:I prefer Apple's approach (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919867)

rewrew

"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919783)

Who believes that for a second?

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919819)

As any long-time denizen of BBSes or MUDs can tell you, every time someone posts that they are leaving it is always legit, and they never, ever come back.

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (4, Funny)

wamerocity (1106155) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919981)

actually, I am proud to say when I was 14, I made that declaration on the "BBN" a once-popular BBS in Salt Lake City, that I was going to leave forever and I did. I never logged onto another BBS again. Unfortunately, the benefits of it weren't as I intended (hoping for myself to go out and get a "real" life), as I made-out with WAY more girls I met online than I did offline in the immediate future after I left. Oh well.

Now I have slashdot and I'm right back where I started, except there aren't a lot of easy slashdot girls... hmmm...

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920117)

dude; nailing BBS chicks is nothing to brag about...

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (4, Informative)

GreyPoopon (411036) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920303)

dude; nailing BBS chicks is nothing to brag about...

It depends. There was a BBS I used to use in the mid-80s in my area. Every once in a while, the sysop's sister would jump on while I was logged in and we'd talk for a few minutes. I was always really careful because I figured it might just be the sysop pretending to be his sister. At any rate, I figured that if it really _was_ his sister, she was probably a real dog (yes, a somewhat chauvinistic thought, but few girls back then had any interest whatsoever in computers, and those that did were almost guaranteed to be as homely as they come). Some months after I started using the BBS, I had a reason to go visit the sysop at his house (I forget why -- sharing pd software or something). While I was there, I met his sister, and I thought I was going to lose consciousness. She was drop-dead gorgeous -- one of the most attractive girls I've ever seen. Just going on a single date with her would have granted bragging rights, but there was absolutely no chance for me; I couldn't even form a complete sentence in her presence.

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920797)

I remember Joanie (aka "kitten"), too. She was the exception to the rule... But she was a neurotic date. Alas, then we all were.

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921211)

In my teenaged years I got randomly chatted by the sysop's daughter on a local C-64 BBS on a variety of occasions. Even began setting up "I'm gonna log in at midnight, so chat me then." Yeah, sounds like it belong in an alt.* newsgroup, etc.

Re:"sharing pd software or something" Yeah, right. (1)

larpon (974081) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922063)

Yeah, right.

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920293)

Now I have slashdot and I'm right back where I started, except there aren't a lot of easy slashdot girls... hmmm...
The qualifier is completely superfluous in this context!

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (2, Funny)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920111)

When he comes back he will be welcomed with open arms - and a rock in each hand.

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (1)

hasbeard (982620) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921059)

Oh, ok. Thanks :)

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921119)

As our God used to say, "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"

Re:"i'm leaving the internet" Yeah, right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19921559)

I believe him 110%

-signed YoGansta51

What a whiner! (1)

oskay (932940) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919797)

Seriously though, I can't imagine just "leaving the internet," for any reason whatsoever.

Re:What a whiner! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919969)

Seriously though, I can't imagine just "leaving the internet," for any reason whatsoever.
Does that make you more or less pathetic?

Re:What a whiner! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920053)

I just can't believe the person will 'leave' the internet. His virus-maker persona might completely die off, but the same guy will still be out there, developing similar identities later.

Re:What a whiner! (3, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920159)

Well, based on the tone, it probably just means he's leaving AOL. So I believe it ;-)

Ginny pegs Harry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919811)

Spoiler help requested: does Hermione die or not? I'm getting conflicting information from my internets.

Re:Ginny pegs Harry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919949)

No, this [theonion.com] happens. Posting as an AC because I know some a neurotic offtopic mod nazi won't be smart enough to realize that this is a reply, not an original post.

Re:Ginny pegs Harry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920221)

Godwin!

SO MUCH FOR THAT INTERNET TOUGH GUY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919813)

WHAT A FUCKING HOMO. I'M LEAVING THE INTERNET. PUH LEEESE. REAL INTERNET TOUGH GUYS DON'T LEAVE THE FUCKING INTERNET, THEY RULE THE FUCKING INTERNET. IF I WAS THIS VIRUS WRITER, I'D WRITE A BIGGER FUCKING VIRUS AND RAM IT DOWN THIS SECURITY RESEARCHER'S FUCKING THROAT VIA THE MANY SECURITY BACKDOORS KNOWN TO JACKALS LIKE MYSELF. WE CAN OWN ALL OF YOU LOSERS ANY TIME WE WANT. PEACE OUT.

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To quote Heavy Weapons Guy from TF2... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919823)

a teary eyed 'I'm leaving the internet' post

"Hahaha. Cry some more!"

I, for one, welcome our... (1)

Will the Chill (78436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919835)

makin-the-bad-guy-cry Chuck-D-luvin sooper-security overlords!

-WtC

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (4, Funny)

ChromeAeonium (1026952) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919883)

I'm tired of hearing that meme. I'm leaving the internet forever!

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (1)

edraven (45764) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919919)

Just don't cry about it.

LAME? (1)

windside (112784) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919845)

TURN ON UR PC.
PRESS F8 AND GOTO SAFE MODE.

NOW GO TO: c:\\PROGRAM FILES\GTA HOODLIFE AND CLICK THE UNINS000 FILE AND IT SOULD DELETE THE VIRUS.
His virus has an uninstall command? Seriously?

Re:LAME? (2, Funny)

penp (1072374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919939)

Well, it was designed as a fake Grand Theft Auto game... It doesn't sound all that creative, though. I think a better "virus" would be making you actually drink coffee with your girlfriend(s) in GTA.

Re:LAME? (5, Insightful)

HoosierPeschke (887362) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919945)

Is this really a computer virus [wikipedia.org] ? Malware sure, virus, no. It's like that program that would show you the drink holder (I think coke, sorry can't find a link) and open your cdrom drive. Only this adds a reg entry or puts something in the startup folder that and does a ExitWindowsEx [microsoft.com] call.

I guess that's all it takes to be "l33t" these days...

Re:LAME? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920295)

Wait until they find out about SetWindowsHookEx and WH_CBT.

Good times, good times.

Re:LAME? (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920377)

I guess that's all it takes to be "l33t" these days... - no, you also have to have this extension [mozilla.org] installed ;)

Re:LAME? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920995)

It might be lame but a lot of computer users would have no fucking idea what to do if this were to hit their system. They'd have to go find and quite likely pay a techy to fix it.

It's like breaking into someone's car and pouring superglue into their ignition lock. It may be lame, stupid and easy to do, but just the same the owner will come back and be unable to start his car...and unless he's a mechanic he'll have to get it towed, examined and fixed for a handsome fee. In the meantime he can't use his car.

Re:LAME? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921011)

Or like putting sugar in someone's gas tank? Or like putting a banana in their tail pipe? You mean like harmless fun?

Kids have been doing this forever.. we don't put them in jail.

Re:LAME? (1)

Xiph1980 (944189) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921159)

sugar in a gastank does crap all...
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/what-if-sugar-gas.ht m [howstuffworks.com]
A banana might block the exhaust, but most likely the starter is powerfull enough to create such an overpressure to send the banana flying.

Re:LAME? (1)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921331)

The difference in the modern world is that while a silly prank could cause a single person minor inconvenience (that's being nice about the harm that sugar in a gas tank can cause), "modern pranks" such as a virus or worm has the ability to affect so many people that the harm actually causes widespread social and economic disruption.

This raises the social difficulty that on one hand you have a culprit, who may be quite innocuous and otherwise innocent of malicious thought, and on the other you have quite a large amount of harm being caused to a large number of people. In other words, a huge amount of harm can be caused by just a kid, and the law struggles with the need to address the gravity of the harm caused while recognizing the need to be compassionate to a kid who really had no malicious thought or any idea that he could cause harm. I am not referring to the hardened malware authors who spam for a living, but the 15 year olds who are just playing with the new computer they got for Christmas, not realizing the harm they could cause by sending that stupid little hack virus to a friend.

The problem I see here is a fundamental failure of society to teach children social awareness from an early age. Social conscience is taught by eastern cultures pretty much from birth, yet it is possible and common for kids in the western world to get through college with only a dim awareness that there is a whole planet that they are a part of and responsible for participating in. Oh wait, I'm talking socialism again. *Waits for the anti-terrorist police to pick him up*

Re:LAME? (3, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921383)

Yawn. The problem with society today is that they classify "mild inconvenience" as "harm". No-one got killed. Anyone who lost money should have known better than to install random games from the Internet on their work machine.

It's a prank. Not a terribly amusing one, but they can't all be gold.

Re:LAME? (2, Interesting)

syousef (465911) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922157)

"Anyone who lost money should have known better than to install random games from the Internet on their work machine."

You're an idiot.

I would argue that a guy walking around in gold chains in a bad neighbourhood (or a woman walking around in a skimpy outfit) may contribute to being beaten up, raped, robbed or even killed but I'd never argue the murders, rapists, or robbers should therefore go free because they should have known better. That kind of logic makes slums and moves us towards the law of the jungle.

A prank that causes financial loss should be punished. Despite your cavallier attitude to it, kids have always been getting into trouble including going to jail when pranks go wrong...and so they should. We all need to be responsible for our own actions. We don't get a free pass because we were being mischeivious.

You wouldn't react to a "prank" where some teenage kids trashed your house because you left your door unlocked by saying "oh well it was my fault, kids will be kids".

By the way in case you haven't noticed by the way things have changed. Kids use to call in bomb scares all the time. Do that in this day and age and prison is a real possibility. Why? Because it diverts resources from real risks and because it does society a lot of financial and emmotional damage. (We may have gone overboard in recent years but the principle that you're responsible for the results of your actions is a sound one).

Re:LAME? (3, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922257)

No, you're the idiot.

If you think kids, or anyone, should be jailed for causing a couple of idiots to lose a few hours work or have to pay to have someone fix their computer after doing something stupid.

Your society is fucked up not because people tolerate crime.. it's fucked up because you've made everything a crime, and you've made even a minor infraction of the law a black mark that follows people for the rest of their lives.

Re:LAME? (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922831)

Sure it should be punished. BUT jail is too harsh in most cases.

Politicians cause far more harm daily and get away with reelection. How many people have _died_ because of the lies/half-truths they spout? And Diebold practically "trashed" the elections IMO. Sure, maybe the results were legit, but they're now tainted because of Diebold and that makes the elections worth a lot less.

Best to work on fixing that properly first.

In my opinion in modern times, physical imprisonment should be _mainly_ for people who have proven themselves to be dangerous. e.g. From their actions would likely be dangerous to allow them in the same room with at least 1 in X people out there (pick your threshold of choice).

This guy? He should be banned from the internet for a while (or at least under probation). If he's caught violating the terms, then if there are currently no viable and practical means to prevent him from using the internet without imprisoning him for a while, then too bad, prison time for him.

Re:LAME? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921867)

Or like putting sugar in someone's gas tank? Or like putting a banana in their tail pipe? You mean like harmless fun?

If someone put sugar in my gas tank and it froze my car's engine, you're damn right I'd press charges. Sounds like vandalism and destruction of property to me. That kind of antisocial shit isn't acceptable regardless of the age of the people it's coming from.

Re:LAME? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922031)

Yep, and you'd probably push charges against a kid who breaks your window with a baseball too. Maybe even sue the family for pain and suffering. Was a time, not too long ago, when people could sort out their own problems without flooding the courts and filling up the jails.

Re:LAME? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922389)

No, I wouldn't press charges against a kid who put a baseball through my window (incidentally, I've actually had that happen). That's an accident. There's no shame in having an accident, particularly when you're a kid, as long as you take responsibility for it.

But going out and intentionally destroying other people's property is another thing entirely. That's not an accident, and I have very little tolerance for it.

Re:LAME? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922461)

Well, the kid can claim it's an accident.. wouldn't be the first kid to say "bet I can take out that window" and then claim later it was an accident.

Re:LAME? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922527)

Well, the kid can claim it's an accident.. wouldn't be the first kid to say "bet I can take out that window" and then claim later it was an accident.

True. At least the first time around though, without any reason not to, I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I can't find any plausible excuse for slashing someone's tires, putting sugar in their gas tank, or putting glue in their ignition, or some of the other things that were mentioned in this thread.

Re:LAME? (1)

Original Replica (908688) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922085)

You mean like harmless fun?

So if I come fuck up your car, that's harmless fun. Right? A couple of hundred dollars of damage is no big deal as long as it's in fun... What if take you wallet in the name of fun? I don't do anything with you credit cards or ID, just burn the whole thing. But hey, it's just harmless fun. Every bully in every school yard uses the lie "I was just playing." and that is exactly what this kid is, a bully. He sees his advantage over others and exploits it for his own pleasure and bragging rights. We don't put those kids in jail, but older brothers of victims or sometimes victims themselves do beat the shit out them eventually. That sounds about right for this kid: John C. in Hartford Connecticut. Here's his picture:http://www.vitalsecurity.org/uploaded_imag es/bplanetgangsta-795477.jpg [vitalsecurity.org] If any one reading this out there was effected by this malware, perhaps they should stop by his house and "express their appreciation" for this punk's contribution to society.

Re:LAME? (1)

HoosierPeschke (887362) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921519)

Just because regular users don't know the difference doesn't mean we should allow regular users or even misguided techies to misuse the terms of our trade. I take pride in my skills and my knowledge level of my skills. I don't appreciate when half-knowing twits spout off stuff that they've read once somewhere or was told by someone this one time at band camp.

Say what you mean and mean what you say. If you don't know, just say, "I don't know, but I can find out". These two phrases have helped me immensely over the years. I may not be that smart but I'll gain a lot more trust when I do have something to say.

By the by, two more of my favorite sayings: "You have two ears and one mouth so you can listen twice as much as you speak" and "It is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt"... some sayings may vary...

Re:LAME? (1)

kayditty (641006) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922009)

mechanic? just jump a wire from the starter to the distributor (or something like that -- don't really remember). I've done it before. works every time, really.

P.S. it's not like that at all.

Re:LAME? (1)

LiquidFire_HK (952632) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920203)

It's disguised as a game and is this installed with InstallShield (or something of the kind), that's why it has an uninstaller. (Of course, InstallShield may have an option to not include one, but judging by the quality of his virus...)

Re:LAME? (1)

LiquidFire_HK (952632) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920227)

Agrh, I meant to click Preview, not Submit! s/this/thus/

Re:LAME? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920261)

You made a typo. Oh the shame! Will you now leave the intarwebs forever?

Sequel (1)

akkarin (1117245) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919923)

This would make a great sequel to 'Catch me If you Can'.

Stupid, I hate vigilante's (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919955)

This isnt a virus, first off. It was a lame trojan. Like all others, cut-n-pasted by some 13 year old script kiddie, I mean just read the story and tell me it could be any other way.

So some blowhard self-important jackass "security researcher" harassed a little kid and made him cry.

What a fucking loser.

The REAL virus writers/blackhats, the ones infiltrating multi-billion dollar corps, are working for the russian mob.

Go after them, I double dog dare you.

Re:Stupid, I hate vigilante's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920277)

Dude's 19.. This "little boy" could be in Iraq getting shot at. Harassed him? All he did was research, post the info and call the cops. I'd be pissed if some little douchebag created malware that deleted my data.

Re:Stupid, I hate vigilante's (1)

UncleTogie (1004853) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921183)

I'd be pissed if some little douchebag created malware that deleted my data.

Translation: I'd be upset at other people if, by my own actions, I installed apparently pirated software of dubious origin.

Re:Stupid, I hate vigilante's (1)

jcgf (688310) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920351)

Sometimes kids gotta learn the consequences of their actions. I'm glad this guy did what he did.

Re:Stupid, I hate vigilante's (2, Interesting)

Farmer Tim (530755) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920501)

So some blowhard self-important jackass "security researcher" harassed a little kid and made him cry.

What a fucking loser.


Who, the researcher or the kid? Actions have consequences, and maybe this seems a bit harsh but the kid set himself up for it.

The simple moral is if you don't want people getting mad at you, don't be a jerk. Is that really so unreasonable?

The REAL virus writers/blackhats, the ones infiltrating multi-billion dollar corps, are working for the russian mob.

And how many of them would be doing it now if someone had tracked them down scared the shits out of them in their teens? I'm not saying that's the ideal approach to security, but then there is no single ideal approach; a spectrum of methods is necessary.

Go after them, I double dog dare you.

When the police start taking online fraud more seriously that might be an option. Going after the Russian mafia single handedly would be proof of utter stupidity.

Re:Stupid, I hate vigilante's (1)

kayditty (641006) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922091)

I'm not really up on politics or anything, but, really, does the russian mob actually exist (well, insofar as the image that's conjured up in my mind when I hear the word "mob")? and all of this corporate espionage crap?

I am up on computer security and "hacking," though, and I'm willing to bet that, if it's true that there are groups of 'blackhats' working for the russian mafia or whatever, most of them are script kiddies as well, just to a lesser degree than people like the guy in the article. honest, talented hackers and crackers (usually reformed crackers) don't bother with that stuff, generally. they become whitehats, or just don't waste their time. I should know, because that's sort of what I did, and, although I guess that doesn't really prove anything, it seems to be what several others I've known have done also.

but hey.. maybe I'm being naive. maybe some of those kids went on to work for the russians or something equally insane. I just find it kind of ridiculous and hard to believe.

Police can't act like that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19919985)

Police have rules to follow. They can't approach someone and force them to speak based on instinct or shallow suspicious. I wonder how many innocents were scrutinized or accused by "security researchers".

Re:Police can't act like that (1)

Carlinya (622024) | more than 7 years ago | (#19922289)

No, but they can start investigations based on the reports and information they received.

It would help if people knew whether they were able to lodge police reports against idiots (virus/malware/spyware etc creators). Most places I know don't have a system to handle such reports.

Not a virus (3, Insightful)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 7 years ago | (#19919987)

From the articles linked, it appears to be nothing more than a GameMaker "game" which adds registry entries which cause shutdown.exe and logoff.exe to be called when you log in. [gamemaker.nl]

In fact, if this was considered malware... perhaps marginally, although it has no serious effects... it isn't a virus because it doesn't replicate itself and spread. The guy who wrote it is obviously a wannabe hacker... you know, the kind who use pre-built tools without a clue how they work. Except this guy couldn't even find tools so he used a game creation system. Lame.

Re:Not a virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920017)

you know, the kind who use pre-built tools without a clue how they work.
We call those "digg users." *dodges thrown chair*

Re:Not a virus (3, Funny)

brunascle (994197) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920041)

just a script kiddy? i wouldve expected more from someone who TYPES IN ALL CAPS

Re:Not a virus (1)

Arcane_Rhino (769339) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920225)

Yeah. Not only LOUD words, but bold words.

Re:Not a virus (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920145)

In fact, if this was considered malware... perhaps marginally, although it has no serious effects... it isn't a virus because it doesn't replicate itself and spread. The guy who wrote it is obviously a wannabe hacker... you know, the kind who use pre-built tools without a clue how they work. Except this guy couldn't even find tools so he used a game creation system. Lame.

Lame? Perhaps. But as much as you discount the toolz and skillz of this wanna-be "hacker", it was still an effective malware approach, was it not? Seemed to do exactly what the "hacker" intended...

Re:Not a virus (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920187)

It was probably an attempt at a joke gone bad. I used to have a couple, they would exhibit BSOD screens as the screen saver and cause all your Icons to fall of your screen and lay in a pile on top of your task bar. One started after the windows login and said windows isn't sure you are who you say you are click here to verify, then it would repeat that click here in random placed until you right clicked and selected "enough".

help! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920029)

slashdot has been over run by a bunch of limp wrist linux fags.

Not so fast (1)

aztuscani (1129023) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920063)

"...history may help investigators eventually identify the perpetrator" Misleading! If law enforcement saw 54 PCs with a bogus script that caused constant reboots as a threat they would have caught YoGangsta50 very fast through issuance of 2 subpoenas. 1 would have been to recover the IP address logged from the Youtube upload and the other would have been subsequent to the first in order to reveal the account information of the ISP that owns the revealed IP address. Seeing as YoGangsta50 has no real leet haxing skillz by being so blatently obvious in his poor attempt of a prank labeled crime, they probably took pity on him. I bet Edmond Locard feels real good about himself and the 54 computers he may have helped to save.

And if you believe this.. (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920065)

You are as stupid as he.

"wahhh you are mean, im leaving" , ya right.

Zonk sucks my dick (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920243)

every day and he likes it....

Yeah...uh huh...what ever you say. (4, Insightful)

davmoo (63521) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920265)

I have a hard time believing that any "security researcher" would keep calling the application in question a "virus".

It sounds to me like the story is about *two* wannabes, not just one.

Re:Yeah...uh huh...what ever you say. (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920423)

The security guy didn't strike me as professional or incredibly competent.

"Hmm... here's this 19 year old kid who made a laughable 'virus.' I need to track him down and email local authorities!!!111!!!!!11!"

It's like some lame episode of Scooby Doo or something.

Re:Yeah...uh huh...what ever you say. (1)

davmoo (63521) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920899)

Nah. Scooby Doo at least had the redeeming feature of being funny :-)

Ultimatum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920289)

I'm leaving Slashdot forever. You'll never see Anonymous Coward post here again.

Never again (3, Funny)

Drunkulus (920976) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920349)


Oh my head! I'll never drink again.

Holy crap I think I know that kid (1)

xrayspx (13127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920441)

He was in the same CS clan as me way back in Historical Times and used to call me up and ask me to tell him how to "hack stuff". I didn't tell him much of anything, sounds like he learned whatever he wanted to learn though :-) But yeah, John from Hartford, different nick at the time, but right age bracket, same interest in breaking things that aren't his to break. Nice. Hopefully this will straighten him out. At least he didn't get in any actual trouble.

FUCK YOU BASTARD!!! ITS NOT ME!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920477)

I LEFT THE INTERNET!!!!

Who Cares? (5, Insightful)

aldheorte (162967) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920457)

This story reads basically that some over zealous security researcher chased an incompetent malware script kiddie around for an app that compromised maybe 50 people. As far as accomplishment goes, this ranks up there with shooting fish in a barrel and apparently proves he can do Google searches.

I'm glad that there is a minimum damage level before law enforcement gets involved because this would be a tremendous waste of tax payer dollars to go after and then, given how totally out of whack the laws are in regards to this kind of thing because of Luddite terror of people with technical ability, we'd probably have to end up paying this moron's housing for five years and create another person with a criminal record who cannot get employed and thus gets even more benefits at our expense.

And at the end of the day, it proves nothing. From a technical standpoint, someone could easily create an false identity like this, even the sign off part. The whole investigation trail is based off string comparisons. Whether it is "John" in Philadelphia or a really smart dog in Detroit, who knows?

Familiar Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19920527)

Years ago, we the community for the freeware music-creation software buzz (buzzmachines.com) did something similar with a troll who kept abusing our messageboard. Called himself Dirty Harry, kept trying to get a reaction by telling us how Reason (commercial music-creation software) was so much better.

Our community has a lot of geeks. Some tried to hack his machine. But what really shut him up was when we traced him, using the same techniques as the guy in TFA, to a car dealership in the UK. Someone posted his work phone number and magically the abuse stopped.

I have to say... (1)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921751)

it's pretty fucking lame that the dev lost the source code to buzzmachines.

Shoulda open-sourced it. Prick.

Re:I have to say... (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921953)

Right. And when Ford stops making a model of car they should release the blueprints for free.

Drop the inflated sense of entitlement. He wrote it, it's his decision what he does with it. If he gives out the source code, it's his call. If he doesn't, it's ALSO his call.

He's less of a prick than you are.

heh (1)

shivamib (1034310) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920753)

This must've been fun to watch. When I was in college I made a recursive batch file be called at boot on all PCs before a crappy class. Interestingly enough, most people couldn't fix it, despite being in 2nd year of Computer Science. Okay, that was lame. I'll be taking my leave now :)

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19921149)

You mean they couldn't instantly recognize what you had done even though they had a whole TWO YEARS!?!?!?!?!??!

-_-

And what kind of school did you go to if they don't even require login/reimage on reboot.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19921615)

And what kind of school did you go to if they don't even require login/reimage on reboot.

Most schools didn't start taking the security of workstations in their labs seriously until 8-10 years ago. Those that had any sort of security in place generally had a system that could be defeated by anyone who cared enough to bother.

The last time I left the internet forever.. (-1, Offtopic)

vorlich (972710) | more than 7 years ago | (#19920889)

I can quite categorically claim to have had more sex with chicks. Of course then I just had a poxy 386 running that thing wot Alan Sugar invented that looked like Neanderthal OS2. Now with our giant home network of Ubuntu driven master servers, modded Xbox running Xbmc, laptops hooked up on XP, Nintendo DS with it's comic anthropomorphic wifi system, my antique Ipaq x4700 running putty and the giant office Komputor waiting for the first 1 terrabyte raid box to store all our multimedia and, then, there are those clients who expect me to turn in a database within two years deadline. Well... Sheesh, I guess I'll have to leave the country forever too. If there is any correlation between processor power and rumpy-pumpy on this scale I'm going to need heart pills. My wife may wish to comment too!
Now where is that map of Amsterdam?

i seriously doubt it (1)

yahurd (1093957) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921281)

the virus maker crippled PCs by causing them to endlessly reboot
so in other words, one lonely security researcher has done what apple, ibm, the linux community, the FSF, and the USDOJ failed to do. get microsoft off the internet.

We need a real coder to teach the script kiddies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19921321)

I for one welcome our script kiddie hacker overlords. May their attacks be merciless and plentiful. J/K

On the serious note, I'm sick of hearing about "script kiddies"? How are these people sure that these are indeed 13 year old children using toolz. The last time I checked it was very difficult for me to procure any nasty tools to even do half of the stuff that I hear that script kiddies are doing. Really, I'm not joking here. It's not like I'm an idiot or anything... Maybe it's because I'm 27 and I'm out of the loop. THE LAST TIME I CHECKED 13 YEAR OLDS COULD NOT USE A COMPUTER BETTER THAN ME! I write perl, PHP, ASP, JSP and python scripts with the best of them. You show me a snot nosed brat that can write "better" object oriented code and I'll conceed that maybe I either don't know where to look for toolz or that maybe I'm just not the computer geek that I thought I was. It's now obvious that I write programs for websites and to many of my elders I'm not a "real" programmer either. I think the bar must be set for script kiddies and the age should be upped to 27.

On the side, here's an acutally interesting article by Mr. Gibson of Gibson Research Corporation and his encounters with a script kiddie.
http://www.grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm [grc.com]

The article I mentioned is actually quite awesome because Mr. Gibson actually takes the script kiddie down a notch and is able to defend himself through filters on his cisco router. Read the article, we need more programmers like this.

Gibson is an idiot. (1)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 7 years ago | (#19921813)

I doesn't take a genius to block an ICMP attack with a Cisco or anything else. Why quench wasn't already enabled on it is another WTF.

Then he goes on to bitch about raw sockets in Windows and why ISPs should be responsible for their user's actions. What fucking planet does this guy live on?

In short, eat a dick.
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