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Vista Use Grows as Mac OS X Stays Flat

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the gnashing-of-fanboi-teeth dept.

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jdelator writes to mention ComputerWorld is reporting that Microsoft's Windows Vista has increased their market share steadily every month while their main opponent, Mac OS X, has remained essentially flat. "According to Net Applications, in June Windows Vista accounted for 4.52% of all systems that browsed the Web, up from January's 0.18%. Vista has grown its usage share each month since its release to consumers Jan. 30, hitting 0.93% in February, 2.04% in March, 3.02% in April and 3.74% in May. Apple Inc.'s Mac OS X, meanwhile, accounted for 6.22% in January and hit its high point of 6.46% in May, but it slipped back to 6% in June. If Vista's uptake trend continues, it should pass Mac OS X in Web usage share by the end of August."

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FP? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960495)

You know, new computers are still sold ...

Re:FP? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960799)

That's for sure. And people have a choice: they can buy a Windows computer or a Mac computer (for the purposes of this article. Sure they can buy a whitebox with nothing on it too). It seems they are still buying Windows computers though, otherwise the numbers would be different.

Wow, what news, MS outsells Apple! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960499)

What a non news event. Just think, MS outsells OS X. That's news?

Vista Numbers Suggest Poor Adoption (5, Interesting)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960885)

Lets think about what the Vista penetration SHOULD BE with a very conservative estimate. Assuming that the average person buys a new PC every 4 years (actual stats suggest the refresh rates are faster than this) and gets Vista with a new PC, Vista penetration should be at about 11% right now (and that assumes that NO ONE upgrades and total PC use is flat). If PC penetration is growing (which it is) or former XP users are upgrading (which I assume some are), then we'd expect even higher than 11% penetration by Vista. That Vista penetration is less that 1/3 these expectations suggests that all is not well with this OS launch. These numbers suggest that very very few people have upgraded from XP and that many people buying new PCs are avoiding Vista (confirmed by MSFT's announcement of higher-than expected XP sales into the coming years).

Re:Vista Numbers Suggest Poor Adoption (5, Interesting)

clodney (778910) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961087)

I think it is too early to condemn the Vista adoption rate, for the simple fact that very few businesses are going to jump on a new release as soon as it comes out. Vista has only been in full release for 6 months at this point, and the places with the really big user bases are going to be very cautious in their rollout plans. At this point I wouldn't expect the GMs and GEs of the world to either roll it out company wide or even allow it to remain on new units that they bring in the door.

Give it another year and then I think you can legitimately say that Vista adoption is seriously lagging the growth of the market.

Re:Vista Numbers Suggest Poor Adoption (2, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961139)

Why don't we wait until the first Service Pack has been out for a few months before talking about how good or bad Vista adoption has been?

I don't know about you, but I'm not shy about telling people that waiting until Vista SP1 has been tried and tested is a prudent move.

Re:Wow, what news, MS outsells Apple! (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960887)

Well... There is a news item in the graph if you bother to RTFA.

The (Not Windows + Not Mac) has dropped from more than 5 to around 3% for the period which means that actually the numbers should read:

Mac on PPC dwindles, but does not convert fully to Mac on Intel. Quite clearly people switch to Winhoze instead.
Mac on Intel looks like generated from a mix of Linux, BSD, Solaris converts and some conversions from Mac PPC.

The real losers are actually the desktop Unixes. By far.

Very silly statistic! (4, Insightful)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960503)

This is a useless comparison. Vista will grow in share as there are bazillions of consumers that are running older versions of Windows and have a compulsion to "upgrade". Mac OSX doesnt.

Well, many predicted otherwise (1)

ex-geek (847495) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960653)

Many here on Slashdot predicted that Vista would'nt sell, just like many did for Windows XP. Empirical evidence that Vista will indeed replace XP settles the question.

Re:Well, many predicted otherwise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960823)

This doesn't disprove that statement.

The slow rate of uptake indeed shows that it is only new computer sales that are contributing to the sales. These are sales where the buyer doesn't have an option mostly, or doesn't understand.

If people wanted Vista, they'd be buying it boxed to upgrade their PC and the rate of increase would be far higher.

Re:Well, many predicted otherwise (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960985)

It's not "selling", but rather being forced onto consumers via OEM contracts. Try buying a new PC with XP as joe-consumer would.

There are, however, lots of stories about people "downgrading" their new Vista installations to XP.

I've also heard this comment: "well, it took me 'x' days to get it running, for the most part I like it ok, except it does run slower, even though I have all new hardware." That's a resounding endorsement. :) Oh, except for the things that don't work with Vista, like cell phones, cameras, printers, etc.

Re:Very silly statistic! (3, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960675)

Every new OS X user has to switch operating system and computer vendors, while every new Vista user just needs to buy the new version of the operating system that they were using. For this reason, it might not make sense to perform the comparison, since it is much harder to become a new OS X user (especially if you're in one of the large categories of people who get free licenses for MS software).

On the other hand, the absolute market share figures are still interesting. With Apple selling 15% of new laptops this year, it is slightly surprising that they only have a 6-7% market share.

Re:Very silly statistic! (2, Interesting)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960817)

I really doubt that there are lots of people buying boxed upgrades to Vista. What seems more likely is that they are negligible compared to the people who don't know enough to request XP when they buy a new system.

Also, among potential Mac switchers, it is probably common knowledge that now is not the time to buy. Let's wait until this time next year, after Leopard has started to settle in and more people have gotten frustrated by Vista. We could see a very different picture.

Re:Very silly statistic! (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960831)

Well the latest market share show that under 5% of all systems sold are Macs.... that means about 94% of all systems sold will be with Windows and with a conservative estimate of 50% of that being with Vista Installed Making a Total Market Share of new system 42% So roughly for every 8 Copies of Vista Reinstalled on each systems is one copy of OS X. The actual results of new systems being sold are probably much higher. So yea Windows Vista Market share will beet Mac OS X. OS X will never beat windows in any prolonged period of time in market share. Deal with it. (As I type on my MacBook Pro)

Re:Very silly statistic! (1)

The Great Pretender (975978) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960867)

This is basically noted in the article by "Windows overall total has remained flat, ranging between 90.01% and 90.46% through the first six months of the year." So all we're seeing here is the change from XP to Vista.

And Windows users buy PCs more often (4, Interesting)

blueZ3 (744446) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960871)

Windows rules the corporate roost, where the average life of a PC is 2-3 years. You also have lots of folks buying a new Windows box when their old one "becomes slow" because of malware. You probably have an average Windows computer lifespan of around three years. Every time a Windows box heads for the landfill (or is donated to a school, re-tooled with a Linux install, etc.) you potentially have another Windows sale.

Macs, on the other hand, tend to be kept a lot longer. There are a good number of folks with 5-6 year old Macs that are still happily using them. Every one of those six-year-old macs means that Apple has 1/2 the OS sales (per user) as Windows.

That's why I'm baffled by the spurrious price comparisons between Macs and Windows PCs. Sure my PowerBook cost 25% more than your Dell. But in three years, when you send your Dell off to laptop heaven (or more likely, if it's Dell, laptop hell) my PowerBook will still have at least three years of useful life left. Making your 25% "savings" actually a loss.

Re:Very silly statistic! (1)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961119)

This is a useless comparison. Vista will grow in share as there are bazillions of consumers that are running older versions of Windows and have a compulsion to "upgrade". Mac OSX doesnt.
So, you are positing that OS X users never have to upgrade from their current release? Like, ever? And how long will Apple support those older versions and the many bugs that will be exposed in them over time?

What a silly comparison (5, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960507)

Vista is new and replaces XP, so obviously Vista will be increasing from near zero upwards.

OSX has been around for a long while now, so it is hard to expect sudden changes.

What would make far more sense would be to compare Vista + XP vs OSX. That would give a far better MS vs OSX comparison.

Re:What a silly comparison (1)

teslar (706653) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960643)

What would make far more sense would be to compare Vista + XP vs OSX. That would give a far better MS vs OSX comparison.

What, like, they stay pretty much constant? ;) Which is correct, of course, but it's pretty much a non-story.

Re:What a silly comparison (1)

Tau Neutrino (76206) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960685)

Then what? We should all make silly comparisons, just for the sake of "a story"? That would be useful.

Re:What a silly comparison (1)

veganboyjosh (896761) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960727)

Then what? We should all make silly comparisons, just for the sake of "a story"?

You must be new here.

Re:What a silly comparison (2, Insightful)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960883)

I think it is pretty telling that with 90% market share, Microsoft is having problems pushing their new OS on their current customers [yahoo.com] - even generally uneducated ones that for one reason or another are buying new computers but going through the trouble to stick with Windows XP [theregister.co.uk] .

Microsoft need not worry about OS X, they need to worry about Windows ME all over again. Maybe users don't like DRM, spyware, and inequitable licensing terms after all, but I suspect Microsoft will end up blaming multiple versions confusing their ignorant customers.

I have not touched macbook since I've had iPhone.. (1)

oktokie (459163) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960509)

I've used to surf web before going sleep from my bed.
I do that using iphone now. :)

Kent, this is God (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960603)

Stop touching yourself.

Misleading sensationalism, as usual (5, Insightful)

phozz bare (720522) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960513)

What the summary fails to mention is that this growth comes at the expense of XP - not Mac OS - with Windows usage overall remaining constant.

There is, really, nothing to see here. Yawn.

Re:Misleading sensationalism, as usual (0, Flamebait)

mc2thaH (920212) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960611)

Not to sound like a Microsoft fanboy, but do you have any stats to back up your statement? Oh wait, I almost forgot, this is Slashdot.

Re:Misleading sensationalism, as usual (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960681)

Really wouldn't it be more polite to wait till he replies to add the "this is slashdot" (Kick)

oh damnit

Re:Misleading sensationalism, as usual (5, Interesting)

FatMacDaddy (878246) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960755)

The article explains that:

"Likewise, Vista's increases have come at the expense of Windows XP and Windows 2000, both of which have dropped in usage since January. Windows XP, for instance, accounted for 85.02% of all machines that month but was down to 81.94% in June. Windows overall total has remained flat, ranging between 90.01% and 90.46% through the first six months of the year."

You DID read the article before posting didn't you? Oh wait, I almost forgot, this is Slashdot.

Re:Misleading sensationalism, as usual (1)

mh1997 (1065630) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960909)

The article explains that: "Likewise, Vista's increases have come at the expense of Windows XP and Windows 2000, both of which have dropped in usage since January. Windows XP, for instance, accounted for 85.02% of all machines that month but was down to 81.94% in June. Windows overall total has remained flat, ranging between 90.01% and 90.46% through the first six months of the year." You DID read the article before posting didn't you? Oh wait, I almost forgot, this is Slashdot.
2 days ago I read on slashdot:

Rude Awakening wrote with a PC World article, saying that XP sales will actually be higher next year than they were in 2007. Despite Vista's release, Microsoft admitted this week that it expects the previous version of its operating system to make up a larger percentage of its OS sales in 2008.
Next year, XP sales will be coming at the expense of Vista.

Re:Misleading sensationalism, as usual (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960777)

The stats are right there in the summary. OS X shares have not dropped significantly, certainly not enough to account for the increase in Vista's share. The only OS on the market with enough share to lose to give Vista > 6% is Windows XP, so that has to be where Vista is gaining from.

Re:Misleading sensationalism, as usual (1)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960761)

The one good thing about this /. article is that verifies that my Adblock settings are working properly. No Dvoraking for me, thankyouverymuch....

Re:Misleading sensationalism, as usual (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960769)

More on this point, somewhere long ago the companies collecting data lumped all sales of the branded systems running Windows and compared them to Apple's sales. If you disaggregated the data one would find:

1. Apple is consistently top-5 against all other brands sold. It varied from 3-to-5 when I saw the numbers.
2. #1 in laptop sales in the U.S.

What would be *far* more interesting to track is the financial performance PC brands like Dell and HP do as Vista ramps up. I predict they will do very badly as microsoft's role as a price-maker ruins their business.

2 percent, not 6 percent for OS X (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960821)

Anyone who runs a major website knows that Apple's actual marketshare continues to flounder down around 2 percent from webbrowsing stats.

Honestly, Apple really should just sell the OS X stuff of to Microsoft or some unix/Linux company and focus on what they really care about, digital music players and phones.

There is a story here and the Register got it. (4, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960921)

We were just talking about how browser stats are useless [slashdot.org] . The only hard use number so far comes from disappointing memory sales [slashdot.org] , and M$'s bottom line [slashdot.org] which show Vista is not being used much.

The real story is that the upgrade train is out of steam. M$ introduced both a new OS and a new office suit without a real change their bottom line [theregister.co.uk] . Their market is stagnant and will only decline as people get sick of XP and see Vista as even worse. The tipping point has arrived.

What are you talking about? (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961049)

Now, first, let me say that I think that Slashdot "editors" are really just some dorks with no college education who spend most of their days playing video games. They can't write, and they really can't even spell. That's true.

But in this case, what are you talking about? The headline "Vista Use Grows as Mac OS X Stays Flat" doesn't say that the growth came from OS X. That's what "Stays Flat" means. Meaning it didn't change. So where else could a 5% growth in Vista usage come from? If it's not OSX, then beyond the shadow of a doubt (because there are no other alternatives that have 5% usage by consumers on the desktop), it must be older versions of Windows. Seems pretty clear to me.

forced purchases? (3, Insightful)

SKiRgE (411560) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960515)

Could the increase have to do with the fact that you can't really get anything other than Vista on a new PC?

Exactly (1)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960787)

Subtract the OEM numbers and then let's compare Vista growth. I want to know how Vista stacks up with people who have a choice. If all OEM's offered Ubuntu machines and those machines reflected the true price difference, then how does MSFT do?

I don't doubt Vista will turn out to be a pretty good OS. I believe MSFT will sort out the driver issues and some of the early troubles. My question is not if it will be better, my question is whether it's so much better that it justifies the price difference?

My perception is the answer for a lot of people would be, right now at least, no.

Hmm . . . (1)

228e2 (934443) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960517)

Surprise? Relevance? No to both, tbh.

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This is hardly a valid analysis (3, Informative)

janrinok (846318) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960523)

Of course Vista is increasing its market share. It is starting from a zero and slowly increasing. I would be surprised if anything else happened. And the fact the the Mac isn't growing in usage is also not surprising. They cater for different users. The thing that is worth noting is that Vista is growing more slowly than predicted although it will get there eventually simply because it is on most computers that are being sold. Still, there is nothing here that should be news to a regular /.er.

I got news for you. (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960949)

Neither Vista nor Office 2007 made a difference to M$'s bottom line. They have nowhere to go but down to the market share their third rate software and bad attitude deserve.

Why is this even news? (3, Insightful)

damiam (409504) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960525)

Of course Vista's market share is rising; it just came out and people are forced to upgrade when they buy new machines. Since current Windows marketshare is at least 90%, it would be shocking if Vista didn't eventually account for at least 70%.

Back to School, Beyotches (4, Funny)

water-and-sewer (612923) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960527)

August begins next week, and within three weeks zillions of students will head back to school. A lot of them are eying that tasty "buy a Mac, get a free Ipod Nano" advertisement as I write. I suspect macs will spike soon enough.

Not that I care. I've given up advocating Mac OS X. Let Windows keep its monopoly so all the virus writer's choice remains clear. The rest of us can enjoy an easier existence. It's like going into the mosquito swarm with a fat, naked friend. Go get'em! Have fun downloading your latest virus definition file, suckers.

Increase? (1)

Nimsoft (858559) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960531)

Sure Vista use is increasing, but that's to be expected.
Just remember most users switching to Vista are probably coming from another version of windows and are therefore only upgrading.
I'm sure a significant portion of new Mac OS X users are also coming from previous windows versions however, so this article doesn't seem all that significant to me...

misleading (3, Interesting)

brunascle (994197) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960533)

you cant compare Vista and OS X. you can compare Windows and OS X, or Vista and OS X 10.4 (or whatever the newest one is). the Vista numbers are undoubtably people switching from other Windows versions, not from Mac or Linux, whereas the Mac numbers are people switching to/from Mac in general.

Gee I wonder why (2, Insightful)

grev (974855) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960541)

From TFA

Likewise, Vista's increases have come at the expense of Windows XP and Windows 2000, both of which have dropped in usage since January.
Ok, so some XP users upgraded to Vista. Nothing to see here.

Re:Gee I wonder why (1)

pscottdv (676889) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960773)

Ok, so some XP users upgraded to Vista.

Ok, so some XP users switched to Vista.

There, fixed that for ya'

Naturally (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960543)

Well sure. Now that Safari is available on Windows, why switch?

Apples and Elephants (2, Informative)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960545)

These are two separate statistics representing two separate things: Vista adoption vs. "Switchers."

They cannot be directly and meaningfully compared on a month-to-month basis.

Keynote and LaTeX (Re: your sig) (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960747)

The link in your sig suggests using the Equation Service. Unfortunately, this is a PowerPC binary, and due to its tight integration with other components won't work with Rosetta. Although it claims to be GPL'd, I can't find the source, and the author does not reply to emails requesting it. Do you have any idea how to run it on Intel Macs?

Meaningless (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960549)

This is completely meaningless. What you are seeing is Vista replacing 95/98/NT/2000/XP systems, not Mac systems. What is does tell you is that Vista has a pretty poor adoption so far. But why the comparison with Mac? I guess that's the only way the could make the Vista figures look good.

If Vista's uptake trend continues... (4, Insightful)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960553)

If Vista's uptake trend continues, it should pass Mac OS X in Web usage share by the end of August.
Why stop at August - in a mere 9 years it will have 110% of the market!

I'm curious to see how the release of Leopard will change these numbers, I know I'm waiting to buy a mac (replacing my PC, I already have an ibook, not that you care.) until after Leopard.

Slow sales show the M$ party is over. (1, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961157)

Why stop at August - in a mere 9 years it will have 110% of the market!

M$ depends on growth to feed it's "restricted" stock compensation plans. Vista adoption is slower than any Windoze version ever. Significantly, it has not made a dent on M$'s bottom line. [theregister.co.uk] They have already been losing developers to Google and other competitors based on the failure of their stock options plans - options for $150 when the stock is selling at $25 are kind of insulting.

They are in the non free death spiral. The downward spiral begins with long development time and poor quality, like Vista exhibits. It ends with the realization that M$'s triumph is not self assured. People can and will use other software when the M$ upgrade gravy train is over. Witness the ultimate end, $200 gnu/linux laptops [engadget.com] . At that price point there's no room for the M$ tax. The squeeze makes it even more difficult for them to develop product and things just get worse for them.

Their efforts to own free software are a threat, but one that will be vanquished in short order by everyone else who's making good money with honest software. M$ can join the party or die.

Isn't this a bit of a stupid comparison? (2, Insightful)

JeremyBanks (1036532) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960555)

Vista is a version of Windows. Mac OS is the operating system in general. Vista's increased market share is probably coming from previous versions of Windows. Comparing Vista vs. Leopard (perhaps relative to general Windows/Mac OS market share) or Mac OS vs. Windows would make sense, but this doesn't seem to.

Does not show all OS X users (1, Interesting)

vijayiyer (728590) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960567)

Of course, this doesn't include OS X users forced to set the user agent as Windows/MSIE to use crappy web sites that reject Safari out of hand

I call BS (3, Insightful)

Xybre (527810) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960569)

Whats with all the MS/Vista FUD on Slashdot? I mean, I use Windows, Macs, and Linux all the time, and I know Mac and Linux are growing and a lot of people have said screw Vista for a variety of reasons. There have been many articles disproving the "growth" of Vista adoption.

To further skew the results, some users are upgrading from Windows XP, there isn't a new version of OS X out yet, so why would people be upgrading to it? It just doesn't make any sense. MS isn't gaining any new users here, while Linux and Mac obviously are. Whats with the BS?

Re:I call BS (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960661)

Why would you believe otherwise? Because you "know" Mac and Linux are growing? Hey, wait a second... is this President "I think with my gut" Bush?

Re:I call BS (1)

Xybre (527810) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961073)

Over the past several years in IT I have personally seen many new adoptions of linux and mac, and the "phasing out" of windows servers and workstations, in business and in home use, I believe my experiences to be a decent industry cross-section, enough to gauge the overall direction of the market.

If you want statistics that are on par with the article, take a look at these:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=windows+xp%2C+ubunt u [google.com]
From this graph you can easily see that Ubuntu will pass Windows in Google searches by 2008.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=windows+xp%2C+mac [google.com]
And in this graph Mac OS X has already passed Windows!

Now this is just skewed data on par with the Vista vs Mac OS statistics in the article. If you were to compare Red Hat to Vista, for instance, queries involving Red Hat show an obvious decline, while there was a sharp spike in Vista queries the day of it's release. Not news either. And thats the point.

Here are some "unbiased" statistics. Note that the w3schools site says the stats are unreliable, much like the ones mentioned in this article.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp [w3schools.com]
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid= 2&qpmr=15&qpdt=1&qpct=3&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=96 [hitslink.com]
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/100047 6 [swivel.com]

I have observed in my personal experience that non-Windows OSes are very slowly gaining ground, and Vista seems to be encouraging that trend, at least for now.

Not news (1)

Protonk (599901) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960573)

This isn't, and should be considered as, news. Later in the article, it is suggested that Vista growth is largely cannabalistic from XP, but somehow this is dismissed as a matter of course. Even MORE galling is the suggestion that the powerPC-->Intel switch and the vista switch are analogous, but conversions from PowerPC to Intel do not denote new sales.

read that again. TFA states early on the rate of conversion to Apple's new format, but fails to classify this as growth, only classifying growth as new sales from former Windows users. Ironically, conversion to intel is, prima facia, a new computer purchase, while vista only likely requires a new computer purchase.

Come on. If this were reversed, and an apple fan site showed Windows growth as stagnant because independent adoption of Vista was flat, it would be blatanly obvious.

This is shocking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960575)

I was sure that Mac would become the most used operating system, well, most used behind linux anyway. This really makes you think, huh?

Not really a surprise... (1)

i_love_unix (1123543) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960577)

Everyone has a comfort zone, and for most people that comfort zone is with Windows, regardless how how different the user experience with Vista is compared to XP. So in spite of all the criticism, if people eventually adopt Vista, isn't that what was more or less expected? I'm sure MS expected a general attitude of "you will use it because we made it," even if users weren't excited about it. Not to mention that Windows is the platform that most developers write software for because of its ubiquity.

This was always going to happen, surely? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960579)

Mac users (or would-be users) are waiting for Leopard to be released later this year, which is hurting Mac sales. Vista adoption is continuing at a slow but sure pace.

What's new?

Duh. (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960593)

Vista is a new brand while OSX has been around since what, 2000? It's like comparing the Toyota Prius to the VW Beetle.

Any new brand will rapidly increase market share compared to any other long standing one... well except maybe the Zune.

Re:Duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19961129)

Actually, it is more like comparing the total revenue of Ford to the number of Toyota Prius cars sold, and then calling it news that the former is larger.

Surprised? (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960595)

Is anybody at all surprised?

Right now, anybody with a pulse could have predicted this. The consumer OS market is the same as it has been for the past decade or so. The vast majority of PC users use Windows, and will continue to. As their old machines get replaced, they'll have whatever the latest version of Windows is. OS X is going to be used by almost exactly the same number of people who use Macs, that has remained steadily between 4-7% for the past decade, and those numbers will continue to remain the same as long as Apple continued with their high priced, lock-in business model. Linux will continue to remain a marginalized OS used by hobbyists and geeks, and will probably not break 1% of consumer PC usage for the foreseeable future.

Duh.

So? (3, Insightful)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960601)

Expecting OS X web use to stay above Vista web use is pretty darn silly. Anyone who wasn't expecting Vista to reach 30-50 percent adoption rates (at the minimum) within 4 years is nuts. So "Vista passing OS X" is not unexpected. Only in the ultimate Mac Fanboys' wet dream would OS X marketshare permenantly exceed Vista marketshare.

Also, "percent of web pages browsed" sucks balls as a statistic, since it only covers select websites, doesn't take into account some blocking and privacy techniques, ignores user-agent spoofing, and assumes everyone browses the web at the same rate of pages/machine/day. Now some of that (not a lot of UA spoofing really, and web-browsing rates are probably similar) is not a huge deal, but some of it (which web pages are covered) really is.

We're surprised? (1)

EchoD (1031614) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960607)

Windows still holds most of the market. People are still purchasing computers that run Windows, just as others are purchasing Apple computers. If mom and dad buy a new computer, and it runs Vista, are they going to downgrade to XP? Not likely.

The thing is, Windows computers are cheaper. If you're not looking for a Mac, chances are you're just going to find the cheapest computer you can and not care who you buy it from. Over time, that's going to increase the market share of Vista. People are still steadily switching to Mac, though. I doubt we're going to see Apple take the market by storm any time soon, as much as many of us would like to see that happen.

Re:We're surprised? (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960751)

If mom and dad buy a new computer, and it runs Vista, are they going to downgrade to XP

Dont be too sure. If my parents bought a new PC with Vista on it, You bet the first thing they would do is phone me to "fix" it - meaning reinstall Win2k - so they can get it to work..

Of course, if they asked me first, I would tell them to get a Mac to avoid those irritating unpaid support calls.

Interesting numbers (1)

jshriverWVU (810740) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960613)

If these numbers are true, for me these are the best statistic for actual Vista growth. I tend not to believe the MS numbers, as I'm sure there is a decent port of people who bought a PC with Vista pre-loaded only to wipe it and put XP on.

Re:Interesting numbers (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960861)

And I feel that in the next few month you'll find yourself in a new house! How nice!

I'm sure there's a decent number of raindrops hitting the ocean, but i don't think that they matter much when measuring how much water is already in the ocean..

Oops (4, Funny)

Thyamine (531612) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960621)

Sorry, that bump in May was because I bought my new Macbook Pro for my birthday. Didn't mean to disrupt everything. Move along. This isn't the Macbook you're looking for. Move along.

News Flash - XP Usage Declines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960649)

News Flash - XP Usage Declines as OS X usage remains steady.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE

CW: Master of the Obvious! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960659)

"Vista's increases have come at the expense of Windows XP and Windows 2000, both of which have dropped in usage since January."

Duuuuhhhh.

Bad study: systems identifying themselves as vista (1)

RichMan (8097) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960663)

"According to Net Applications, in June Windows Vista accounted for 4.52% of all systems that browsed the Web, up from January's 0.18%."

That would be systems that identify themselves in the http header as Vista increased. Any correlation between the actual number of systems with Vista and the number identifying themselves as such is simply an invention of the makers of the study.

One wonders on any real network analysist using systems that self identify themselves in the wilds of the internet.

Re:Bad study: systems identifying themselves as vi (2, Insightful)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960895)

That would be systems that identify themselves in the http header as Vista increased. Any correlation between the actual number of systems with Vista and the number identifying themselves as such is simply an invention of the makers of the study.

Your assumption is that a significant number of people change the headers sent by thier browser of choice. Somehow, I seriously doubt that those people are significate in this study.

That's sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960667)

It's sad to think about all those people stuck with Vista who will never really know what their brand new computer is actually capable of doing.
And us, tech geeks, will still have to listen to the clueless users complaining about spyware, registry hell, and "full memory" problems for years to come.

OS X ftw!

btw, I did see in Computerworld that Apple has tied Gateway for the number of computers sold in the US. aha, here's the link.
(http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/1819395/23794 5/71933/2/)

Strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960697)

This is inaccurate and contradicts pretty much all expectations and current indications. In fact, 5.6% is an INCREASE. The Mac has gained marketshare. Albeit, it is still a niche player and always wil be as long as Apple is in the premium market.

For example:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/07/18/appl es_u_s_mac_market_share_rises_to_5_6_percent_in_q2 .html [appleinsider.com] Mac market share rises to 5.6%

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/ 14057/ [macdailynews.com] Predicting great increase in marketshare.

Or: http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/07/18/macs.have.5 6.share.in.us/ [macnn.com] Mac marketshare shoots up 26%

Oh Em Gee!!! (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960709)

Could it possibly be that Microsoft will soon out-take Apple in terms of who sells more OSes???

Well then how long before it overtakes Linux? In fact could it be that someday Over 95% of all computer will use something that Microsoft wrote?

All joking aside, how can something this obvious and pointless possibly count as news? Everyone here knew that Vista will quickly overtake all alternatives and people will just blindly accept DRM and unexplained connections to DoD computers(never seen proof so not neseccarily true, but heard people claim it happened) as security

Duh? (2, Insightful)

amigabill (146897) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960715)

Nearly all mac users run OSX. That market is probably saturated. Not all PC users run Vista yet, so there is still a huge market for MS to sell upgrades to.

iPhone (2, Interesting)

qaz2 (36148) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960745)

If Vista grows and OS X is constant the XP is falling. No big news. I'm not forgetting Linux or BSD,
but I doubt anyone using that would ever go back to windows. I wouldn't.
And it wouldn't really have an impact unfortunately.

I would however change my Tiger for a Leopard when it comes out, and add a notebook to boot. Can someone
give me the sites which are being watched; I'll just add some script visiting every one of those
sites with my Linux and OS X machines. Bye bye windows :)

I also wonder whether the iPhone counts as OS X, and whether a million devices would make an impact
on the statistics.

VISTA my Be rising, However (1)

ITman75 (671124) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960775)

They failed to provide numbers on how Windows XP or 2000 are falling due to new system being purchase that Microsoft is forcing Vista on.

Leopard (1)

TheWizardTim (599546) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960839)

How many people like me, who got Tiger with his Mac, are WAITING for Leopard to come out? How many people are waiting to buy a new Mac to get the new OS? What was the increase of XP vs Win 2000 use just before Vista came out?

that's until... (0)

Kildjean (871084) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960857)

That will happen until OS X launches leopard, then we will see an increase on the amount of people browsing, the web, again it wont be a huge number but it wil lincrease the lead. People are afraid to enjoy the internet, because of all the security problems windows vista has... That is my guess...

Windows was also flat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19960873)

"Windows overall total has remained flat, ranging between 90.01% and 90.46% through the first six months of the year."

Bits from TFA that the sexy headline left out (1)

SterlingSylver (1122973) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960899)

Apples to Elephants make for great headlines, but is actual apples to apples data more exciting? According to the Article, Mac OS X is flat YTD. Well that's dull...clearly there's something else newsworthy in the article, right?

Vista is +5% YTD!! Fantastic! Amazing! Except that Microsoft as a whole (XP, 2000, Vista) is flat at 90% or so. That's pretty boring, too...

No data on the other 5% of the market, so basically this article's exciting new revelation is that nothing has changed, sharewise, in the computers surfing the net. I actually wish I'd spent my time working rather than reading that tripe...

Umm, wha? (2)

wal9001 (1041058) | more than 6 years ago | (#19960979)

Use of a new operating system is rising! Use of an operating system that's being upgraded within 3 months is flat! Who would have thought that consumers don't like to spend money on technology when they know that a better version at the same price will be available shortly? Seriously though, how many people here bought a copy of XP in the few months before Vista was released? You fail. Try again in 6 months when you can compare two recent releases.

fluffy and delicious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19961041)

How do you say FLUFF PIECE!!

I'm sure this has already been said... (2, Insightful)

immcintosh (1089551) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961043)

But I'm going to chime in myself and ask, how is this even remotely newsworthy? OSX has been out for quite a while now, whereas Vista is a new operating system. This ridiculous excuse for reporting is spinning this as if Microsoft is somehow gaining market share, which it isn't. Now, if the combined Vista+XP were gaining share, out of what, Linux? this might be worth talking about. Worthless article, move on, nothing to see.

just out of curiosity (1)

ammoQ (454616) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961069)

Does anyone here know anyone who really bought a boxed version of Vista? Just because it seems to me that Vista happens on new PCs and MSDN only.

Thanks for the insight, Elmer FUD (1)

that IT girl (864406) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961083)

But seriously, you can't compare the amount of new users to a new system versus an old one. The "applesandoranges" tag is quite appropriately applied to this article.

Re:Thanks for the insight, Elmer FUD (1)

that IT girl (864406) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961133)

And I hate to reply to myself, but I just have to mention this:

From the article,

Microsoft's Windows Vista has increased their market share steadily every month while their main opponent, Mac OS X, has remained essentially flat.


If OSX's use was dropping as Vista was being taken up, that would be a cause for concern. As it stands now though, nobody is switching from OSX to Vista, and that'd be the important number, right? Basically, Microsoft users are upgrading, Mac users are happy with what they have. When Apple comes out with a new OS, you'll be able to compare it's new users to Vista's at the time and see much higher numbers from that camp.

Obligatory Ubuntu Comment (1)

crhylove (205956) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961095)

Hey! Let's read "news" about the OSes that are remaining static or dropping in the market. Ubuntu probably isn't worth mentioning.

Leopard (1)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961109)

isn't this a bit pointless in the sense that anyone who knows anything about Macs knows if you just wait a bit longer to buy one then you'll get the upgrade to Leopard for "free" (all new Macs come with a full version of the latest OS)?

I'm waiting until Leopard to get a new Mac, and would expect others to also intentionally NOT buy a new Mac soon. on the other hand, I'm already a Mac user and would not count as growth when I do upgrade (except that I'll then have 2 instead of 1). but I think a lot of people thinking about switching would bear this in mind.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19961137)

Think about it this way...

The iPhone is increasing in usage while regular cell phone adoption remains virtually flat.

Regular cell phone adoption is ENORMOUS. Probably leaps and bounds beyond just that of the iPhone, but the adoption rate is fairly stable (not accelerating), since there is a long history of increasing adoption of cell phone usage. People pick up new cell phones, now, at a pretty stable rate. But with the hype of the iPhone, compared to its own adoption, the acceleration in its adoption is very sharp.

As in, comparing a statistic who's adoption started out at 0%, and is gradually being adopted at accelerating rate, to one that at the same time had already plateaued (Has a slope of zero, but is still being adopted at a faster rate). OS X is already going at 90 mph, Vista is accelerating to 20 mph. I think MS PR is trying to find a way to spin their embarrassingly low adoption rate in a positive way.

Look at this graph... What feature do we have that is 'more' than OS X?
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