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Nintendo Admits They May 'Lose Some Purists'

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the five-year-old-action-me-is-offended dept.

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njkid1 writes "GameDaily has up their full E3 interview with Nintendo of America's George Harrison, SVP of Marketing and Corporate Communications. Harrison talks about the move of the company's sales and marketing force, acknowledges that Nintendo may 'lose some purists' while attempting to broaden the audience, and he doesn't rule out a Wii revision: 'It's interesting, console hardware has always historically been on a sort of fixed, sequential pattern almost every five to six years and it takes you about five years to develop a new piece of console hardware. The handhelds and portables, like Game Boy and now DS, we've always been continuously innovating, and whenever we feel like it's time or have an upgrade, we'll do it, whether it's an improved screen for the handheld or slimmed down like the DS Lite - those types of things. So it's not out of the question on Wii, but we're not even to our second holiday yet, so it's kind of premature to talk about any revisions to the hardware itself.'"

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Hard to say (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19961791)

I think that black women just aren't attractive as white. Its not pc to say, but lets face it,its true.

Re:Hard to say (-1, Redundant)

triso (67491) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961987)

I think that black women just aren't attractive as white. Its not pc to say, but lets face it,its true.
Then you must be a bro?

What's a purist? (4, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961837)

Videogames are still a new and rapidly evolving artform. So what's a purist? A traditionalist, perhaps... but then I remember being extremely unhappy when I heard that my two favourite 2D franchises (a popular side-scrolling platformer, and a popular top-down action/RPG series) were going to be made into 3D games.

Until I played them.

Now Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time are considered all-time classics, even by 'purists', even by old hands like me. Should Mario have stayed true to his 2D roots to satisfy purists? Should Zelda have stayed top-down? Certainly not. Purism of that kind leads to stagnation; while the occasional throwback like New SMB is wonderful, games have to evolve or become stale.

Re:What's a purist? (4, Insightful)

moogaloonie (955355) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962081)

There are certainly 2D and 3D purists, who especially balk at seeing one mixed with the other. I think in Nintendo's case it's concerning a type of player. The purists are the gamers who've beaten insanely difficult games, find secrets and glitches, master 5-10 button combos (kombos?) and complain that a 40 hour game is too short. Nintendo, in trying to appeal to a larger market, are making easier, more immediately satisfying games which often don't even have endings in the traditional sense.

Re:What's a purist? (4, Insightful)

Carrot007 (37198) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963795)

Where are these sort of purists?

Todays generation did not grow up with the old games so did not play them.

As someone who grew up with the older games I welcome the newer games because as an adult I can not afford to play games non stop for X hours.

Nintendo seems to know where things need to be if you ask me.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964551)

I hear ya. I've been playing through Twilight Princess, and it's pretty slow going. If you don't have at least 1 hour to sit down and play, it's not even worth playing. Optimal is probably 2 hours. Some sections of the game take more than 2 hours to get through. Thank god for that headless wonder that lets you warp out of the dungeon so you can save. Too bad he's hidden (although not too well) in all the dungeons. I've currently played 25 hours, and I haven't seen any triforce yet. I love the game, and do play it quite a bit, but there's a lot of times when I'll pick up something I like less, just because I don't have 2 hours to play, or have something else happening and can't get right into the game. I'm happy that somebody is making games that don't take hours of play time just to be fun. Games like Bionic Commando with no save feature, and requiring an hour and a half to beat, are not the kind of games I want to be playing right now.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

Clock Nova (549733) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965159)

I remember playing games like Bionic Commando and Rygar. They took so long to beat that we ended up leaving the NES on overnight sometimes, praying that it wouldn't glitch up before we came back to finish the game. Those were the days.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965313)


Even today I remember one jump in Bionic Commando that I tried over and over again, it must have taken me days just to finally beat that level.

Yea, I don't have time for that these days.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970291)

You can't jump in Bioonic Commando..

On a more serious note, I used to leave the Nintendo on all the time because I wasn't done playing but wanted to go do something else. I remember we used to unplug the RF adapter from the back of the nintendo so we could still watch tv while the unit was still on. There was more than one time that I accidentally pulled the power cable instead. Not Fun :(.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970477)


well yes, I know it wasn't a jump per say but im not sure what to call it. I seem to remember it was a place where you had to swing across a pit and then in mid air shoot out your bionic arm to catch on to another hold or something like that. It was a perfect timing sort of thing. Once I got it it was possible to do it again, but it was brutally hard to get it right the first time (and you really only had to do it once if I recall correctly).

Either way, it took enough that I remember it today.

I too, often left my Nintendo on far longer than is prudent, but I had an RF switch so I didn't have to worry about pulling the wrong cable.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967359)

These are "purists" defined by marketing babble trumped out for a slow news day.

What - you didn't get the fucking memo? Here's your talking points the next time someone asks you to talk to the general public. Human resources demands it.

Long games (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967761)

The purists are the gamers who've beaten insanely difficult games, find secrets and glitches, master 5-10 button combos (kombos?) and complain that a 40 hour game is too short.
Nintendo is no stranger to long games. How many hour game is Animal Crossing: Wild World, even to complete the first objectives of paying off the whole house and all expansions, totaling 3.5 million Bells, and making the environment perfect?

Re:What's a purist? (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962099)

An appeal that is clearly from the heart, and yet also supported by rational evidence. Very well written. Sorry I didn't get a chance to cap the score.

Re:What's a purist? (4, Interesting)

badasscat (563442) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962247)

Videogames are still a new and rapidly evolving artform.

So is film, so is recorded music... hell, in the grand scheme of things, so is literature. These things have been around only a fraction of even human history, let alone the history of the world, and all of them are still rapidly evolving.

If your argument is that there can be no "purists" unless the art form is no longer "new" or "evolving", then there really cannot be purists of any art form.

I don't think it's a stretch to think there could be video game purists at this point. There are people who were there at the beginning and who have grown up with video games, knowing them a certain way. If they have developed a set of expectations based on those experiences, that would make them a purist.

You may not be one, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It further doesn't mean that your opinion is superior to theirs.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962385)

I don't think it's a stretch to think there could be video game purists at this point. There are people who were there at the beginning and who have grown up with video games, knowing them a certain way. If they have developed a set of expectations based on those experiences, that would make them a purist.

A certain way? What way is this? Infocom text game? Roguelike? Endless early-eighties high-score hunt? 2D platformer? JRPG? Block-sorting puzzle? Hegemonising god game? Rodent rescue operation? FPS? RTS? MMORPG?

Presumably he is still lost in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike, or perhaps in hot pursuit of a wumpus, or making a desperate attempt to kill a dragon with his bare hands, or maybe he is finally about to get hold of the Amulet of Yendor after twenty years of trying. So I'm not sure why he'd care what Nintendo are doing. I think in this context 'I'm a video game purist' is a code phrase for 'I don't like the Wiimote'. Not liking the Wiimote is a perfectly fair opinion, but attempting to present it as 'video game purism' is nonsense. There've been far greater changes than this in the way games have been played over the years.

Re:What's a purist? (4, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962773)

But in terms of human civilization and culture, which have both been around for a lot less time than humans themselves and move much more rapidly than our species itself, literature is very old and does have a very well established tradition on which to base your notion of "purity". Recorded music is just a way of experiencing music, and music is even more ancient than writing, and again has established traditions and parameters and a codified way of talking about it. Painting is ancient. And while neither of these things are static and unchanging, any new development can be discussed in terms of the history.

Movies? Relative newcomer. Movies are still in their infancy as an art form -- compared to other human artforms, not just geologic time as it seems you were doing. Movies are starting to have a significant history that would inform anyone calling themselves a "purist", though I've never heard someone doing so.

Video games? Not even three decades of existence, and founded on technology known for doubling its operational parameters in only two years. This isn't even comparable to the other art forms as far as having an established history, a canon to which one can wish to remain true as a "purist". In the grand scheme of things we're at the "discovering that banging a stick on a hollow tree stump in a regular beat makes a pleasing noise" phase. Acting like their is an established way for banging ones stick against a hollow tree stump against which new stump-stick-beaters should be judged is foolish, because there is an ongoing explosion of people trying various beaters and various objects upon which to beat and nobody has found a "good" way to do it.

Call me in 50 years, when we can look back on this period of infancy in video games, assuming we are not yet even in it, and we can discuss what "purity" means. In the meantime, there's no point because there simply isn't enough history, and yes that's different than other art forms.

Re:What's a purist? (2, Informative)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964609)

Video games? Not even three decades of existence
Incorrect. [wikipedia.org] If you mean game consoles only, the Magnavox Odyssey was released in 1972. If you count computer games, they've existed since the early 1950s.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966231)

Not to mention the blatantly ovbious: games are probably as old as music. Video games are just a recent extension. It's the new capabilities than are recent, not the ideas.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967279)

Yeah, many's the time when I used to go on a rampage out into the streets and beat the crap out of everyone, safe in the knowledge that when I died I'd be magically regenerated or reincarnated at the nearest checkpoint. Then there was the time when I went into space by rotating bricks falling from the sky, organising them into lines of power which disappeared into the ether. I could never beat my great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather's high score at the-idea-where-we-rotate-the-falling-bricks-into-l ines-of-power-which-then-disappear-into-the-ether though. Video games always copy reality - there truly have been no new ideas in gaming since the invention of computers.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968697)

So you never played cops and robbers or cowboys and indians as a kid?

Or had to pack the trunk of a car for a family vacation or pack your own groceries at the store?

There's no reason to be an asshole about disagreeing with someone. There are obviously new capabilities brought forth by video games, but many video games are merely digital replications of pre-existing games or even what would normally be considered to be "work". Many are not as new as you might think.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968785)

Yeah I was kidding, sorry if I was being too much of an ass :P I did feel that games where you can die and then just be brought back to life are different from anything you can do in reality, but I was thinking more of actual games with rules, that obey reality, rather than games that you play in your head, where anything can happen.. I guess since I was brought up on computer games (we had a Commodore 100 when I was about 4 probably..) then I'm not used to having to do that (not to say that I have never played games purely based on imagination, but I probably haven't done so for over a decade..).

Re:What's a purist? (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967183)

BULLSHIT. Film, Music & Lit are barely moving at all. I see one original work on film ever 3 to 5 years. Everything else is a painful remake of a remake ad infinitum. Music is even fucking worse. There is a new type of material maybe every 25 years. Lit? Heaven help us but in order to be original is has to be almost unreadable, abstract, or obtuse. Have you ever read Ulysses? Fuck me running but you either have no radar for creativity or you are an apologist.

Creativity is one of the rarest things on the planet. Everyone tells me how creative I am but I know that almost nothing I have made in my life is anything but an evolution of someone else's idea. My most creative work by far in integrating good ideas from separate areas to solve no linear problems but that is still not the creation of a new idea. To get a Ph.d you basically have to prove that you had an original thought and that a pretty loose definition. I would be flabbergasted if there are more than a million people on the planet with any real creativity at all and most people think that they are barking fucking nuts.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962767)

A traditionalist, perhaps... but then I remember being extremely unhappy when I heard that my two favourite 2D franchises (a popular side-scrolling platformer, and a popular top-down action/RPG series) were going to be made into 3D games.

Until I played them.


Currently the opposite happened to me: I remember being extremely happy when I heard that Delphine Soft, the makers of "Flashback: The quest for Identity" made a 3d remake of their popular platformer. It was called "Fade to black".

Until I played it. Yuck.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962877)

Mario made a great transition into 3D. Zelda, not so much. Sure, it was worth a try. And they made a good effort. But I will always disagree with calling Zelda 64 a "classic". It's an unwieldy 3D mess with a large fanbase. I don't consider myself a "purist", but I just couldn't stand Zelda in 3D. I'll take Four Swords Adventures (Zelda for Dummies) over OOT or WW any day. And there's just no comparison to something as epic as LTTP.

Re:What's a purist? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964289)

Hm, oddly enough I have the exact opposite opinion of you (granted, I didn't play 2-D Zelda games until after 3-D ones, so that may have an influence). I think Zelda does great in 3-D, but Mario 64 should never have seen the light of day. New Super Mario Bros was the first Mario game I considered remotely worth playing since SMW... that's kinda ouch (although I do recognize that most people disagree with me, of course... that still doesn't change the fact that I hate Mario in 3-D).

Re:What's a purist? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964619)

Personally, I think both Mario and Zelda did very well on transitioning to 3D. Z:OOT wasn't my favourite, but I've found that WW and TP are both excellent games, and much more fun than playing Zelda 1. Do you remember the second quest of Zelda 1? Seriously, you're just supposed to guess which walls to walk through, and hope you have 100 rupees in your wallet or you give up a heart piece. Thank god for the Nintendo Atlas. Also, Mario 64 was about equal to where its 2D counterpart was. It followed Super Mario World, so it may have only looked so-so, but compared to SMB 1,2, and 3 it really was quite a great game.

Re:What's a purist? (2, Funny)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964623)

[...] I remember being extremely unhappy when I heard that my two favourite 2D franchises [...] were going to be made into 3D games. Until I played them.
You obviously have not played any 3D Sonic the Hedgehog games...

Re:What's a purist? (1)

RoffleTheWaffle (916980) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965503)

In the context of the crowd Harrison is referring to, a 'purist' is synonymous with a 'hardcore' gamer. It's simply a less demeaning way of calling someone a nerd who thinks fifty hour long mildly-interactive movies qualify as games. Nintendo's new strategy evidently doesn't include that kind of gamer.

Hula Hoop? (2)

dj_tla (1048764) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961875)

"like the one where you're on the balance board doing the hula-hoop on the board and trying to see how many you can catch and keep going."

I don't know what kind of hula-hoop Harrison's been using, but there's usually no catching involved where I come from...

A Good Deal (5, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961913)

Harrison talks about the move of the company's sales and marketing force, acknowledges that Nintendo may 'lose some purists' while attempting to broaden the audience

If you lose 100,000 purists but gain 50,000,000 new customers, then I'd say the tradeoff is a pretty good deal!

That being said, I haven't seen any sign of the Nintendo faithful ditching Nintendo. Everyone who was going to leave already left during the Gamecube generation. Now some of those players are coming back, and some of them are ranting about how they're "too grown up" for Nintendo now. I imagine that Nintendo will just shrug its shoulders and move on. They're creating a large enough NEW market that they don't need to worry about a vocal minority.

Personally, I tend to laugh at the "grown up" comments. What's "grown up"? Sex, violence, disturbing imagery, and online play that lets you swear at each other? I'm not really sure why any adult would want to exclusively subject themselves to such content, but that is their choice. It just doesn't make the "kiddie" argument against Nintendo any stronger.

When people use the term "too old" for something, they usually mean that the item in question can no longer support the person (e.g. a playground) or that it does not challenge the person at a level commiserate with their age. (e.g. Leapfrog Leapster) Thus the only argument I could see is that the storylines are too simplistic to hold an adult's attention. Which would be a good argument if we were talking about My Little Ponies. But half the games don't actually have storylines (e.g. Excite Truck, Metal Slug, Smash Bros., Strikers) and the majority of the remainder are anything but insulting. (e.g. Zelda, Super Paper Mario, Metroid, Red Steel, etc.)

The truth is that the Wii simply does not appeal to some people, regardless of the excuses they make up. Whether they used to be or not, these people are NOT Nintendo's customers any longer. Nintendo would be foolish to try and chase them around when the truth is that these customers are better satisfied elsewhere.

Re:A Good Deal (4, Interesting)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962083)

Personally, I tend to laugh at the "grown up" comments. What's "grown up"? Sex, violence, disturbing imagery, and online play that lets you swear at each other? I'm not really sure why any adult would want to exclusively subject themselves to such content, but that is their choice. It just doesn't make the "kiddie" argument against Nintendo any stronger.

It's a quirk of language. Adult content very rarely means just that; it usually means juvenile content. Gratuitous boobies, exciting gunplay, lots of blood, the typical action-movie recipe targeted at teenagers. Same goes for games. The core market right now is the Playstation generation, mostly boys who began gaming in around 1995 but who, twelve years on, are late teens and early twenties and want games that reinforce their image of themselves as manly men.

Nintendo's core market on the other hand is slightly older, NES and SNES veterans from the late eighties, early nineties. And as CS Lewis said, when I became a man I put aside childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be seen as being very grown up. The nice thing about having that as your core fanbase is that you can easily recruit the new generation of little kids with the same games you're selling to your base of gamers who are pushing thirty.

At any rate, Nintendo have never made bloodthirsty games. All the hardcore action games on the NES and SNES were made by the likes of Konami - I'm thinking Gradius or Contra here. The ultra-long JRPGs were again usually third party jobs, at least until the Pokémon era. I certainly can't speak for the whole demographic, but as a NES-era Nintendo fanboy who defected long ago to PC gaming, well, in this generation Nintendo have won me back. I said before that I was proved wrong in my traditionalism once before, insisting that Mario should be 2D, that Zelda should be top-down, right up until the moment I got hold of an N64 and played two of the greatest games there've ever been. What Nintendo are doing now... well, the third parties are making a bit of a hash of Wii at the moment, too many PS2 ports with poor Wiimote implementations, but going by the record of the DS they won't take too long to catch on.

Re:A Good Deal (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962681)

"The ultra-long JRPGs were again usually third party jobs, at least until the Pokémon era"

Blasphemy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_(video_game) [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Emblem [wikipedia.org]

Re:A Good Deal (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964711)

I don't know about the NES one, but Earthbound (Mother 2) for the SNES is not "ultra long", I beat it in a weekend. As a comparison, it took me several weeks to beat Final Fantasy III (then again, it has a lot of level grinding).

Re:A Good Deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963677)

And as CS Lewis said, when I became a man I put aside childish things

While Lewis was a Christian apologist and definitely theologically inclined, I suspect you're thinking of the quotation from 1 Corinthians [bible.cc]: "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." (which would make it Paul of Tarsus)

Re:A Good Deal (4, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963759)

St Paul originated it, but Lewis's version is more relevant here:

"When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

Now if you'll excuse me, I've neglected a certain long-running saga of magicians and so forth since around 2002, and have three rather large volumes to catch up on before some git spoils the ending for me ;)

Re:A Good Deal (-1, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962089)

The story of Paper Mario begins with an introduction to Star Haven, a place where the seven Star Spirits reside and, using the Star Rod, an item with the power to grant any wish, grant the requests of those who wish upon the stars. The story's conflict begins when Bowser and his assistant Kammy Koopa invade Star Haven, steal the Star Rod and transform the seven Star Spirits into playing cards.

Yeah, I don't understand why an adult wouldn't jump right into that riveting story!

Here's a question... do you also Tivo the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers? If not, I think there's some writing that may be equally as compelling to you as "Kammy Koopa" and the "Star Spirits".

Re:A Good Deal (1)

timster (32400) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962181)

Wrong game, Dude. Super Paper Mario is a Wii game. You've picked up on an old N64 game, so it's not surprising that the demographic would be a little younger, seeing as how that was like ten years ago.

Re:A Good Deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19962233)

Once again Slashdot proves its moderation system is a complete farce...

Re:A Good Deal (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963687)

Personally, I tend to laugh at the "grown up" comments. What's "grown up"? Sex, violence, disturbing imagery, and online play that lets you swear at each other? I'm not really sure why any adult would want to exclusively subject themselves to such content, but that is their choice. It just doesn't make the "kiddie" argument against Nintendo any stronger.

meringuoid responded in a good way, but I have something further to add: If you have to constantly remind everyone that you're "grown up" or "mature" -- you probably aren't. The rest of this is long and ranty.

I play a variety of games, but I'm playing less of the "grown up" games as time goes by, and here's why: I loved GTA:VC because it was fun and the first game I played where I could do just crazy stuff, like smack a hooker in the head with a hammer. Yes, it's violent and horrible, but they're pixels and after playing a ton of SNES RPGs and dealing with townfolk, I had a lot of rage for NPCs. GTA:VC was just hilarious and fun. I didn't like GTA:SA, because in addition to taking away a talk station (and the one had ANDY DICK on it, a man who may be funny but he does NOT have a voice for radio!), it was more gritty, real, and just an ugly game. I enjoyed Return to Castle Wolfenstein, but a few FPSes I've looked at since are just ugly. Yes, they're real. But that doesn't make them attractive. Metroid Prime, on the other hand, is very pretty, and easy on the eyes. (though the ice level can be ridiculously bright on some TVs...)

I don't mind the content of games like GTA:SA. It can be a fun distraction. But a lot of the "hardcore" games come off as ugly and hard to look at. Some of this may be related to astigmatism (I can't stand to look at webpages with white text and a black background for very long -- it literally starts to hurt my eyes). But they annoy me. Most Nintendo games don't have this ugly, gritty look.

I've been playing games since I was three. I've owned every Nintendo system except the Virtual Boy and a few incarnations of the Gameboy, and most Sega systems -- all except the Game Gear and the Saturn. I've played more DOS games than anyone I know (and I'm the only person in my group of friends to beat Zork I), and I own a PSX and a borked PS2. I have yet to own a Microsoft game console but now that I'm shifting to Linux only for my OS, the 360 is looking nice. I don't know if this qualifies me as a "purist" or not. But as long as Nintendo puts out games like Zelda: Twilight Princess and the Metroid Prime series, I'll be interested in their console. The Virtual Console is also cool, even though I feel weird buying game I already own. I don't need more than two or three new games a month, I just don't spend the time on it like I did when I was younger. A few games a year on the Wii plus one of the more "powerful" systems once the price is right -- I'll be set for *my* entertainment needs.

Zelda: TP alone justified the Wii purchase for me, though, because it's possibly my favorite in the series (and I've played all of them except the two Oracle games/the Gamecube game... oh, and the CDi games, because I dislike projectile vomiting.)

Re:A Good Deal (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964263)

That being said, I haven't seen any sign of the Nintendo faithful ditching Nintendo.

What you mean is fanboys.

LK

All the Purist games are still being made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19961965)

I still don't get all this talk about Nintendo abandoning the "purists." We've already gotten Zelda and Paper Mario games and Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Fire Emblem and more are on the way. Yes, Nintendo is making new types of games and game like things as well, but the staples Nintendo has been known for over the last several years are still here as well.

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962039)

I've been wondering this myself. If they're not quite as focused on the purists, but still deliver good games for gamers, then what's the problem?

They can make a lot more cash getting three casual games that everyone will play out the door rather than beating their brains out over what the gaming gurus want in one extra purist title.

As long as enough decent games with long playtimes are around for the Wii, there's nothing wrong with it having bunches of titles that are something else. "Enough" doesn't necessarily mean more than the older consoles, either. I'm not sure what the threshold is, but I'd bet that Nintendo's marketing department has a decent idea.

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (1)

doublefrost (1042496) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962135)

Too grown up to play Nintendo? Thats not really true. But I think there's still a social stigma in saying "I'm 35 and I love my nintendo".

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962519)

I'm not sure about "too grown up", but I'm sure lots of people who used to play will say, "I have too much going on and too many responsibilities to spend time doing that". Other hobbies might win out over gaming, or people, sadly, might have too little time for any hobbies at all.

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962179)

### We've already gotten Zelda and Paper Mario games and Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Fire Emblem and more are on the way.

All of those are sequels, many don't even look all that different from their predecessors. What is missing are the completly new non-casual-gamer-only franchises, stuff like StarFox, StuntRaceFX, WaveRace, Pikmin and friends. There simply isn't anything of similar quality around on the Wii or even announced.

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19962449)

There isn't anything similar on the Wii yet because the Wii is still too new. It hasn't even been out nine months yet. The lack of announcements doesn't bother me either. Nintendo never was big on announcing stuff like that. However, there are upcoming titles that people seem to conveniently forget, such as Endless Ocean.

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963057)

### However, there are upcoming titles that people seem to conveniently forget, such as Endless Ocean.

Which is a sequel to a sequel of a PS2 game called EverBlue, its still one of the more interesting games on the Wii, but not exactly of system-seller quality.

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19965787)

its still loads more than are available on the PS3 at the moment

Re:All the Purist games are still being made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19967309)

Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition. If you say it's just a port with wiimote controls tacked on, you either haven't played it, or you have no hands (in which case I'm deeply sorry about your loss).

Oh Honestly! (2, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 6 years ago | (#19961977)

Who doesn't like to play with their wii? I've got two co-workers who have them now and they often invite me over to play with their wii. I have yet to take them up on the offer as I'm concerned that playing with your wii excessively may lead to carpal-tunnel so I'm going to wait to see if it becomes an issue now that everyone is playing with their wiis all the time. Maybe a medical study after a year or two. I wouldn't be surprised if it's unsafe to play with your wii more than 3 or 4 hours a day. Future wiis may need to come with a warning sticker. Something like "Warning: The Surgeon General has determined that playing with your wii excessively can cause carpal tunnel, tennis elbow and blindness." So for me at least the Jury is still out on the wii and whether it's really the best at what it does (Although the market appears to have decided that it is.)

Re:Oh Honestly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19962037)

If it helps any, I *almost* laughed. Not quite, but almost. Perhaps you should try again with some less passe material?

WII == PENIS HA HA HA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19962579)

Wow, penis jokes. You really are on the cutting edge of comedy. This was almost as good as Larry The Cable Guy.

Re:WII == PENIS HA HA HA (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966871)

I think this is one of these weird posts from the past. Probably some kind of /. wormhole or something?

Re:Wii in a wormhole! (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968665)

You can add me as "foe" now.

Re:Wii in a wormhole! (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968743)

You can add me as "foe" now.

Why, will you insult me in the future? Even so, I don't do this childish "foe" thing. I don't need to single people out, I hate everyone equally :-)

Hardware revisions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19962041)

Whilst new features in a console are nice, the biggest problem I have with new revisions is if you want to "upgrade" what do you do with your old kit? It'd likely not sell 2nd has as well as everyone goes for the new improved revision. I just get the impression we're going to end up throwing yet more electronic hardware away if this becomes a common trend, particularly if the upgrade is such a big jump as the DS to the DS Lite was that it does make a large difference getting the new kit.

It's even more of an issue with DRM for downloadable content that often stops you moving it from one console to another, do you have to buy your content all over again if you switch to the new version?

Of course, many will say "Just don't buy the new version if you're worried about these things" but let's face it it's not really a particularly ideal solution - even if I don't upgrade there are people that will and shouldn't we be discouraging electronic waste in this day and age? I saw the fact that a games console lasted 4 or 5 years as the single most important point consoles have over PC gaming, so it certainly begs the question, if consoles are going to get new hardware versions every 2 years or so then what's the point of console gaming over PC gaming? I see the 360 elite upgrade as a slight improvement on the DS to DS Lite transition because HDMI isn't that big a deal yet, I can likely live without it until the next hardware generation arrives and the 120gb hard drive is at least something I can upgrade separately without replacing the whole console, still not perfect of course. I can't see the Wii being upgradeable in this way unless we're talking about a USB hard drive for it which would be great, the internal memory isn't particularly much.

Re:Hardware revisions (2, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962189)

Whilst new features in a console are nice, the biggest problem I have with new revisions is if you want to "upgrade" what do you do with your old kit?

Sell it at a lower price so that someone who has different priorities or is not as privileged as you can purchase it?

There's a HUGE market of people who want second-hand game consoles. As long as you keep your kit in operating condition, I wouldn't worry too much about what happens to the old stuff. Simply trade it in at the local GAME for credit toward a new unit and be happy.

Re:Hardware revisions (3, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962193)

I just get the impression we're going to end up throwing yet more electronic hardware away if this becomes a common trend, particularly if the upgrade is such a big jump as the DS to the DS Lite was that it does make a large difference getting the new kit.

What was the jump from DS to DS Lite? Physically smaller, brighter screen, longer battery life. Great for a portable. Utterly irrelevant for a home console. Nintendo might come out with a smaller Wii, as Sony did with the PS2, but that won't exactly obsolete the old ones. A hardware upgrade is a poor idea; you end up with Wii1 and Wii2 in the market at the same time, and developers who use the capabilities of Wii2 cut themselves off from the already enormous installed base of Wii1.

The obvious Wii upgrade would have to be a software jump: specifically, multimedia. I'm on record from last November as saying that DVD playing doesn't matter to me, because everyone has a DVD player already. I've cooled on that. The Wii is on, it's connected right the hell now, I can't be bothered messing with switches, the damn thing's got a remote control, I want to play a DVD in it. And since the Wii's a device on my wireless network, I'd be awfully happy if it could play video files from my PC over the network. I've an awful lot of anime I'd love to watch on the big screen downstairs. If they'd just get the mplayerhq.hu guys to produce a version for Wii that they could put out for download, that would be just great ;-)

Re:Hardware revisions (1)

VampBoy (189024) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962511)

I think there's something called WiiCR that's supposed to be a Media Center Server for the Wii. Can't say I've used it, but was planning on looking into it and setting it up. Or perhaps you might find your anime fix on crunchyroll, as those videos will play on the Wii Opera browser like youtube.

Re:Hardware revisions (1)

Yer Mum (570034) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967275)

There's a gamecube homebrew program that plays DVDs... here [blogspot.com].

As for the second, try Weezo, here [weezo.net].

Re:Hardware revisions (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962577)

The obvious Wii upgrade would have to be a software jump: specifically, multimedia. I'm on record from last November as saying that DVD playing doesn't matter to me, because everyone has a DVD player already. I've cooled on that. The Wii is on, it's connected right the hell now, I can't be bothered messing with switches, the damn thing's got a remote control, I want to play a DVD in it.

Making an assumption on the context behind your original argument, can I reword it this way so you aren't technically flip-flopping^W^W changing your mind?

"The presence or absence of DVD playing isn't going to drive Wii sales because everyone already has a DVD player, but once you've got a Wii it sure would be nice if it did play DVDs." :)

Hardware revisions? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19962069)

Hell I want some SOFTWARE revisions. WarioWare on the Wii shipped with a show-stopping bug. Despite the fact you can have up to 12 players in a multi-player battle, it only supports...one wiimote.

Seriously, Nintendo. Who let that one slip through QA? Are we supposed to chuck the thing around the living room when the game speeds up? Launch title or not, there's not even an option for more wiimotes to be used. So, ironically, I went through hell getting enough wiimotes and nunchucks for my roommates so we could all have some roaring fun times, and now we just use 1 wiimote for starting up GameCube games.

Or maybe we can talk about Super Paper Mario, the Game That Gave Up somewhere about mid-point. When you ran out of ideas for level design and thought it would be keen and edgy to literally make a pure white level with a black line for ground, and make the player run it for a few minutes. When that one got the OK, you started making a lot of levels that were simply backtracking everywhere. Feels like an RPG, except the RPG-ish item system was superfluous. I used more items just to see what they would do than having any actual need for. There was a lot of wiimote shaking involved. Zero replay, sold back to Game Stop after a week.

I don't give a hang for hardware revision. If I want graphics I'll buy a PS3. I want the quality software that I supposedly bought the Wii for.

Also I hope that every game that comes out strains mightily to use the fabulous motion sensing controllers, and think it's unique. Until every game that comes out wants to use it in a New and Exciting way. I already paid for Tiger woods 2005-2007 on the GameCube, and near as I have heard, the 2007 polish job for the Wii is somewhere between stillborn and stagnant.

I'm sure everybody loves to hear a whiner, but nothing has really sold me on the Wii as a gaming console so far. Regardless of Nintendo wanting to go after a different demographic, I'm still in the one that wants to play fun games, and not the one that surfs the web from my couch. I bought a DS 2 weeks ago and have had more fun with the games on it than I've had on the Wii. Why does the DS have more Netplay functionality than the Wii? Where the hell is all the potential of the Wii being siphoned away to? I can't be the only person disappointed with it.

Re:Hardware revisions? (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962107)

Seriously, Nintendo. Who let that one slip through QA? Are we supposed to chuck the thing around the living room when the game speeds up?

Yes. I think they wanted to cause a little extra mayhem ;-)

Re:Hardware revisions? (2, Insightful)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963053)

The DS is a three-year-old system. The first year was lackluster and easily skipped. The second year was when the first major swell of good games arrived. The third year was when it became a household name and stomped the competition soundly back into the hole from which they crawled.

The Wii will be only slightly different; it became a household name sooner. The first year is still going to be lackluster. The second year and beyond will be good. The competition may not be as fully stomped as the DS's competition, but there will be boot marks and other evidence of kicking.

Re:Hardware revisions? (2, Funny)

fbjon (692006) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966323)

The rain was pounding the streets as Chief Inspector Harrison stepped inside the ring of police cars. The brutal carnage was immediately evident. Body parts were strewn around, and the carcass in the middle was barely recognizable. They had arrived too late.


Harrison swallowed his gag reflex, as he hunched over the scene of tragedy. Kick marks were found all over the body, pieces of blackened skin jutted out like sharp knives, and the intestines had been ruthlessly crushed. Looking closer at one of the slim, rectangular kick marks, Harrison was now sure of the chain of events. There could be no doubt: they had thought they'd made a toy for children and adults alike, but they had created a monster.


Harrison stood up. The PS3 at his feet would play no more. Who would be the next victim?

Time Measurement (1)

triso (67491) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962109)

"... So it's not out of the question on Wii, but we're not even to our second holiday yet, so it's kind of premature to talk about any revisions to the hardware itself.'"
I think that it is interesting that time is measured in holidays and not weeks or months.

Re:Time Measurement (1)

triso (67491) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962185)

"... So it's not out of the question on Wii, but we're not even to our second holiday yet, so it's kind of premature to talk about any revisions to the hardware itself.'"
I think that it is interesting that time is measured in holidays and not weeks or months.
Sorry for being so dense. The little light came on and reminded me that certain holidays are when the units really sell.

Re:Time Measurement (3, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962415)

Did you know that prior to the Atari 2600, video game systems were ONLY sold during the Holiday Season? 'Tis true. Atari themselves started the trend when they manufactured their home Pong console for only the holidays. Sears (the only store that sold the unit) experienced long lines and stock sellouts very similar to what was seen with the Nintendo Wii. The only catch is that once the stock was sold, there were no more on the way until next Holiday Season.

Atari's primary competitor at the time, the Maganvox Odyssey, was sold year-round. However, its sales were relatively poor in comparison.

And there is your useless bit'o'trivia for the day. :-P

purists? (2, Insightful)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962115)

As someone mentioned the other day, games never used to be hundreds of screens of options and thousands of button combinations to press in a specific order to win. They were on the whole pretty simple to play.

Don't get me wrong nethack is hard the first time you play on it (although it's such a good game). But as soon as you look at the controls and figure out that they use the vi commands for movement you can pick up and play - just add more detail into the game as and when you're ready... it goes with you more than the new games seem to.

Mario is an even better example, easy as you like at the start, gets harder... but very much "pick up and play".

The Wii follows from this "pick up and play" idea. That's where the purists should be, not playing these games that you get on the 360 (I went into gamestation and tried to play a game demo they'd got on - I couldn't even figure out how to do anything... there was about 800 context sensitive button combinations before you got to any kind of action... I'd already given up before that happened)

vi commands ARE thousands of button combinations (1)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963475)

Hmm, you complain about

thousands of button combinations

and yet you praise Nethack because all you have to do is

look at the controls and figure out that they use the vi commands for movement
:)

I agree with you though. Anyone off the street, so to speak, should be able to pick up a new game and figure out most of the controls within a few minutes of messing around with it. In fact, figuring the control scheme out should be part of the charm, not a horrifying ordeal.

Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (4, Interesting)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962237)

The first video game system I ever owned was the original NES. I still vividly remember the first time I ever played one and it's an interest that's stuck with me to this very day. I had all of the games that are generally considered Nintendo classics: Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and a myriad of other games. Eventually I upgraded to an SNES and picked up the 16-bit versions of those games and many others. I never purchased an N64, but some of my friends had them and I got my fix over at their houses, however, I still enjoyed Mario Kart and other SNES games and played them excessively.

The next game system I bought was a PS2, but a while after that I purchased a GameCube to catch up on all the new games that Nintendo had brought out. I eventually picked up an Xbox as well and even a used Dreamcast to complete that generation. I enjoyed all of them for different reasons and like every other generation there were some incredible games that were produced that you couldn't help but enjoy.

Last November I decided to camp out in front of a Wal-Mart and freeze my ass off so that I could get a Wii on launch day. After playing some of the latest incarnations of games (Zelda) and seeing what's in store for others (Mario, Metroid) I don't feel any differently about them than those old classics I played on the NES and SNES. As someone who's grown up around these Nintendo franchises I don't understand how people who claim to be long time fans can be disappointed in the Wii or the latest versions of their old favorites. I'm wondering if they really ever played and enjoyed these games or if their tastes have simply changed over the years. If you want bleeding edge graphics in your games, I suppose that's fine, but please don't try to pass yourself off as a purist if that's what you really want.

I'm quite glad that I grew up experiencing those games so that if I go back to play them today I'm not turned off by the lack of powerful graphics like some people are today. As cool as the graphical powerhouses that games such as Crysis and others like it with brilliant graphics are, will they ever be able to claim the same level of interest as Pac-Man ever commanded?

I don't think that purist should be confused with graphics whore, or whatever term would be most appropriate. I would think that purists play games to enjoy games, whether they're made using 8-bit sprites or ray traced using the powerful hardware we'll likely see in the future.

Re:Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962381)

### As someone who's grown up around these Nintendo franchises I don't understand how people who claim to be long time fans can be disappointed in the Wii or the latest versions of their old favorites.

NES, SNES, N64 or even the Gamecube had a lot of games beside Mario, Zelda and Metroid. StarFox, Pikmin, PilotWings, Waverace, YoshisIsland and all that stuff, it never was just about Mario/Zelda/Metroid alone. On the Wii however there really isn't much interesting happening beside Mario/Zelda/Metroid so 'purists' end up disliking it, since there is to much recycling and to little innovation. And even the classics look kind of stale Prime3 looks the same as Prime1, Zelda:TP felt more like a OoT mission disc then a new experience and MarioGalaxy also looks rather similar to previous titles.

Re:Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (2, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962445)

Zelda:TP felt more like a OoT mission disc then a new experience

Ironically, that's exactly what the purists wanted - indeed, what the purists insisted upon, very loudly. Remember the fuss, right here, when we first saw what Wind Waker was going to look like? Well, we got what we wished for. Twilight Princess: it's Ocarina but rather bigger and not quite as well lit.

Re:Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19965837)

>And even the classics look kind of stale Prime3 looks the same as Prime1, Zelda:TP felt more like a OoT mission disc then a new experience and MarioGalaxy also looks rather similar to previous titles.

Ha ha ha - you just completely proved his argument for him! He goes on about the difference between enjoying games and being a graphics whore, and your comment backs that up by saying the games on Wii look the same as their prequels......

Way to go dude, I haven't laughed that much all day!

Re:Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966279)

This has everything to do with gameplay and graphics style and nothing with the technical capabilities of the hardware. Look at Zelda:WW on how to get it right (almost, had some pretty annoying parts to), Zelda:TP on the other side got it pretty wrong, even so the graphics where better, it was still mostly the same as OoT and thus uninteresting.

Re:Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (2, Interesting)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962623)

I've been playing Nintendo games since I was 5 on the original NES. I've grown up with this industry. Honestly though, once I hit college I started doing other things and I really haven't had as much time as I used to for video games, and that's been the case since sophomore year of high school when I got onto the advanced college track of courses.

Anyone who considers themselves "hardcore" and rails against the Wii really need to re-evaluate why they game. I game because it's fun. Good gameplay is fun for me. If graphics were fun, then I'm pretty sure I'd be content just to watch a movie or my computer eek out 3D renderings in povRay or benchmarking utilities like 3D Mark. I've had a lot of fun with my Wii, and honestly I don't see a reason to shell out $600 for a PS3 if I'm content with my $250 investment, despite my long-running relationship with Final Fantasy games. I just finished Zelda a couple weeks ago after buying it in January and eeking out hour long play sessions when I get the hankering to do so. The drought doesn't bother me because I know the industry misjudged the system and is scrambling to put out quality software. Also, more time between releases that interest me is good because that gives me more time to finish stuff like Zelda in time for Prime 3 or to go out and get Super Paper Mario without feeling pressured to keep up with the Joneses.

I'm the type of player who still keeps his NES and SNES hooked up to the TV because there were just a lot of great games for that system. Sure Mario looks pixelated in HiDef but it's still a great game and it's a fun way to kill time with friends even if they don't normally play games.

I'm still interested in stuff like Unreal Engine 3, but what matters to me most about Unreal Tournament 3 is whether or not the game plays better than UT2004.

I wholly agree with Nintendo's strategy this generation. I've played Brain Age and it's a lot of fun if mental challenges are your cup of tea. If not, oh well. I don't get the complaints fired at Nintendo after this E3. Nintendo has been saying from day 1 that the Wii was going to target a different audience, and here we are a year later and everyone... correction, a very vocal minority, seem to have finally read that memo.

Unfortunately, this is the crisis the hardcore gamers face. They are quickly realizing that they are NOT a majority in this industry. These are the same people who cannot comprehend how games like The Sims (eeewww it's dolls!) or Myst (where's my f***ing gun?) were able to become the #1 selling games of all time, beating out beloved favorites such as Doom or Zelda. These purists are stuck in the same situation of the 10 year old kid who suddenly has a younger sibling and is losing the attention of mommy and daddy. Temper tantrums ensue.

Video games are an industry. The whole point at the end of the day is to make money, not please a vicious fan base which at times is not the most logical crew out there. If you can make more money by catering to a much larger audience than your traditional fans, damn straight these companies are going to do it. Especially when the casual market is a hell of a lot easier to awe and keep happy.

Re:Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964735)

Here's my point of view on "not enough good games". Personally, I only need a couple of games a year to satisfy my gaming needs. Between Zelda, Super Swing Golf, Super Monkey Ball, Wii Sports, and the virtual console, I'll be quite busy with my Wii until well after Christmas. I don't understand my friends who play through 10 FPS games in a year. If you can finish a game in that short a period of time, you're either spending too much time playing games, or the game wasn't worth the $60 you spent on it. Looking back at my GC, I had it for about 3 years, and have about 10 games. That's about all you should need. If the games are good, they will have good replayability, and you can play them for years to come. I don't care if there's only ever 200 games for the Wii, and the PS3 releases 3904 games, because I'm sure I'll find enough good content on the Wii to fill all my gaming time. With the quality of games you usually find on the Playstation, You might be hard pressed to find that much quality time, even with 10 times as many games.

Re:Real 'Purists' aren't going anywhere (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965041)

YMMV, but for my tastes, it's RPGs. It's been that way since I first played Ultima I on the Atari 800. I was hooked on them after that... because before, it was about high score, repetition, and the twitch factor. (I had a 2600... adored Space Invaders and Asteroids I think a little too much..) For me, 'pick up and play' means sitting down to an hour or two exploring a dungeon, or a few hours clearing a region of some unknown terror for gold. :) I probably should get out more... but at the price of gas and the money I've sunk into my consoles... why bother? :) heh.

Will I ever tire of them? Who knows? Besides the occasional football game and retro hit or two (like Pac Man), I find myself playing RPGs the most. I'm currently knee-deep in Oblivion... and I'm having a ball (recently finished Dark Kingdom on the PS3 and will not doubt go back and play as another character class...)

Heck, I even played AD&D Heroes twice on the Xbox... granted, they're not high-story concepts (some are, like Xenogears or Breath of Fire) but they're right up my alley.

The problem with the Wii is the only RPG I've seen is Zelda TP (that I can get on the GC if I so choose.) I'm not a "hardcore gamer"... but I have a different view of what I like to "pick up and play" than Nintendo....

And that's fine with me... maybe they'll put more out and I'll pick up a wii. (They're as rare as hen's teeth around here anyway... no sense in even trying to find one that's not a $600 "bundle" of useless crap.)

"Re-Wii"? (1)

ewg (158266) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962297)

Revised Wii == "Re-Wii"?!

Re:"Re-Wii"? (2, Funny)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962961)

"Wiiwii", to be followed by "WiiThrii".

Re:"Re-Wii"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963095)

No, no, it's the Wiitoo! (With the exclaimation mark of course!)

Re:"Re-Wii"? (2, Funny)

snicho99 (984884) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967151)

Actually, considering the Japanese origins of the company concerned, wouldn't it be "Wii-Ni"?

Tourney bastards? (3, Funny)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962525)

Does it include those retarded "hardcore" tournament players for Super Smash Bros. that demand you only ever use Final Destination, no items, and only allow half the roster? If so, I would like to say that not only do I hope the door hits their ass on the way out, but it also knocks them on their face.

...Isn't he...? (2, Informative)

Thad Boyd (880932) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962817)

Isn't he the dipshit who yammered about the superiority of the N64's cartridge format and dismissed Final Fantasy 7 as a slow and tedious game nobody would want to play? ...And before the Nintendo fanboys jump me...I own a Wii. I like my Wii. It cost less than $500 and it still works a few months after purchase, which I think puts it leaps and bounds ahead of Sony and Microsoft. But the fact remains that George Harrison is a moron.

Re:...Isn't he...? (1)

edwdig (47888) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964783)

Isn't he the dipshit who yammered about the superiority of the N64's cartridge format and dismissed Final Fantasy 7 as a slow and tedious game nobody would want to play?

To be fair, outside of Japan very few RPGs sell very well. That comment is how the general public feels about 99% of RPGs. Final Fantasy 7 obviously turned out to be one of the most glaring exceptions to that rule. It was popular mainly because of the presentation, not the gameplay though.

As for the cartridge format, yeah it's horrible if you're trying to do an FMV extravaganza like FF7. But the 2x CDROM's of the day were terrible for the open ended exploration games Nintendo liked to make at the time.

Re:...Isn't he...? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964791)

Isn't he the dipshit who yammered about the superiority of the N64's cartridge format and dismissed Final Fantasy 7 as a slow and tedious game nobody would want to play?
If that's what he says then I am one of his biggest fans. When the N64 and PS1 came out, CD technology was way too slow for consoles. Loading times on the PS1 and PS2 were unbearable for me. Sorry if that makes me sound impatient, but waiting minutes for things to load is not what consoles are about. Also, FF7 was terrible. It's really fun to watch those 3 minute long attack sequences the first couple of times, but watching them over and over again for hours on end? I have never in my life needed a "skip-the-shit" button more then while playing FF7. Also, the extreme linearity of the game just made it even worse. Follow the path, no matter what you do, you can't change the story one little bit. That game was terrible. Compared to every FF game I played before that, it was the worst one by leaps and bounds. Games where you select "attack" from a menu are slow enough, no need to make them slower with 3 minute cutscenes every time you select attack.

Re:...Isn't he...? (1)

rjhubs (929158) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968651)

oooh, its pretty bold to be bad mouthing FF7 on slashdot.. we will have to see how the mods will treat you. Although I won't say FF7 was terrible. I agree that it isn't one of the best in the series. PLaying it today you realize a lot of the appeal was the new shiny graphics and fmv's. Not to mention I hate trying to play it because for some reason Circle is the accept button instead of the Cross.. Makes switching between games a pain in the ass.

Tales of Symphonia's sequel (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#19962819)

Namco announced the sequel of Tales of Symphonia as a Wii exclusive. Do we -really- need anything else? That justifies the console right there for me.

Re:Tales of Symphonia's sequel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963241)

A good game to be sure, but Tales of Symphonia wasn't mind blowing or anything, not that I won't be buying it's sequel, I picked up every RPG that was released for the GameCube in Canada, all 6 of them. What Namco really needs to do is make sure their Soul Calibre game doesn't lack for actual fighting, I really don't want it to turn out to be a Dynasty Warriors. And man, does the Wii ever need a few board game ports, I'd love to be able to play Risk, Axis and Allies, and the other various classics with Wiimote in hand. And a Dynasty Tactics on top for good measure.

Nintendo: all talk (1)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963629)

I would like to hear less from Nintendo about what kind of gamers will or will not enjoy their games, and more about when they are actually going to start releasing some serious titles for the Wii. A glance at their Australian release schedule [gpstore.com.au] (where I happen to live), for example, suggest that precious little in the way of non-franchise, serious games is coming this year.

If you take that list and remove everything that's a console download, a "classic" of some sort, a weird Japanese/manga game, a silly film tie-in, or an established Nintendo franchise (honestly, I didn't think Metroid Prime was anything more than a reasonable shooter with a frustrating control scheme myself), there's precious little to get excited about.

Where are any of the following?

- 'serious' baseball game
- 'serious' tennis game
- 'serious' bowling game
- decent sword fighting games
- a cricket game
- lightgun style shooters
- ordinary first person shooters
- adventure games - for the first time mouse-driven adventures are a serious option on a console
- the oft-rumoured light sabre Star Wars game????

Until we start seeing something, anything, new of interest other than the big franchise games (Smash Bros, Mario, Metroid, Zelda) then Nintendo can talk about who it is and isn't appealing to as much as it likes, but in reality it's wasting a golden opportunity to capitalise on the best console launch it's had since the SNES.

Re:Nintendo: all talk (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966915)

A real bowling game is out, there are some sword fighting games coming, there's at least one on-rails lightgun game (Nintendo even released a Zapper thingie for it), the Wii has more FPS than minigame compilations (not to mention Metroid will be out soon), Adventures are coming, and Lucas Arts seems to be working on a "real" Star Wars game.

So the following are missing: serious baseball game, serious tennis game, and a cricket game. Serious sports games are hardly Nintendo's forte, but I have no doubt that we'll soon see at least a tennis and a baseball game from third parties.

So yeha, not sure what your point is.

Answer : (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19967757)

In developpment. If you want them out sooner, feel free to invest millions of dolars in a game company.
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