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Wii Puts Japanese Television Under Pressure

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the must-not-see-teevee dept.

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Knuckles writes "The Times reports that Japanese consumers have been 'abandoning television' in order to play with Nintendo's Wii. Recent figures from Japan's audience-tracking firms show that 'last week was the first in nearly two decades where no single show on any commercial station attracted more than a 9 per cent audience share ... According to one senior executive of the country's largest commercial television channel, Fuji TV, families who used to tune in to its colourful diet of soap operas, panel games and comedy variety shows may, instead, be drifting away and choosing to spend the same, economically-critical golden hour time playing on their Wii.'"

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Maybe (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963341)

Maybe because Japanese TV sucks. How many "Happy fun time super magic hour" shows can you make anyway. And the repressed homosexuality and pedophilic undertones in those shows, don't even get me started.

Re:Maybe (5, Funny)

Goaway (82658) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963451)

You think Hard Gay is "repressed"?

Re:Maybe (1, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964127)

You think Hard Gay is "repressed"?

Gay "black face". I'd say thats pretty repressed. Make a characature of a gay person done by a straight person. I'm sure it'd be pretty offensive if we did that here or subsituted gay with spanish or chinese.

Re:Maybe (1)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964407)

Make a characature of a gay person done by a straight person. I'm sure it'd be pretty offensive if we did that here or subsituted gay with spanish or chinese.

Eric McCormack (Will from Will and Grace) is straight. You were saying?

Re:Maybe (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965275)

Eric McCormack (Will from Will and Grace) is straight. You were saying?

And the US is a paragon of acceptance and liberal attitudes. In fact your president rode in on a platform partially about gay marriage. I didn't read it but it must have been progressive and positive.

Mod Parent off topic & Flame Bait (1)

Neo_piper (798916) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971263)

Compared to Japan most Lynch Mobs are paragons of acceptance and liberal attitudes.
Do some research before flaming please.
In a country with almost no laws on discrimination over age, sex, nationality, sexual orientation, education, voting history, or musical tastes a positive character, stereotype or not, is a big step (yes even if he is a Pro Wrestler / Comedian).

Do some research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19973137)

This is a country where abortion laws are lax, singlehood has increased dramaticaly in the last decade and birth rates are below replacement. This is a country where the LDP(conservatives) only gets 38% of the parliament. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_general_elec tion%2C_2005#Polls_and_results [wikipedia.org]
I used to think about Japan as you do, but I have come to the conclusion that it is closer to Britain than Texas.

Re:Maybe (1)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967887)

I don't really see the problem. Most of the straight people on tv are also caricatures and not very realistic. That's just the way television is, if you want realism turn off the tube.

Of course he is (1)

patio11 (857072) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966153)

He's straight, and his job is pretending to be gay. And not just "Well, when I'm in the privacy of my own bedroom..." gay, more "I own no clothes except form-fitting black leather and dry hump everything that moves and much that does not" gay. You'd feel repressed, too!

Re:Maybe (1)

Virak (897071) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965373)

pedophilic undertones
I think it's a little bit past 'undertones' at this point. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Re:Maybe (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966585)

Considering how many new "reality TV" shows we get every year in the US, I doubt they are anywhere near the limit yet. For example, "Surviver" is up to what, about version 30 by now?

That's what she said (-1, Troll)

wooden pickle (1006975) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963347)

And your mother is forgoing television as well, but to play on my Wii.

Re:That's what she said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19972079)

And your mother is forgoing television as well, but to play on my Wii.
From what she told me, "Wii" sounds like an appropriate description for your diminutive genitalia.

TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (4, Interesting)

Zekasu (1059298) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963371)

It's funny to think that television is finally being replaced (or at the very least, threatened) by a medium that actually supports the end of the couch potato. Irony? Just a bit.

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (2, Informative)

mark-t (151149) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964187)

We own a Wii, and both of my kids play all the games sitting down, even the sports ones. I would assert that the end of the couch potato is still a long long way off.

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965103)

We own a Wii, and both of my kids play all the games sitting down, even the sports ones. I would assert that the end of the couch potato is still a long long way off.

I guess that's what Wii Fit is for, although... now that I think about it, you could conceivably put a comfy chair on top of the pad and control it by shifting your weight around on the seat. ;)

Same as World-Class Track Meet for NES (1)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 6 years ago | (#19973453)

Back in the day, the NES was sold in a "Power Set" that included the NES, the Zapper light gun, and a mat. The console came with a triple-game cart featuring Super Mario Bros, Duck Hunt, and World-Class Track Meet. The last game used the mat for its controller.

Nintendo's vision was that you'd play World-Class Track Meet by running/jumping in place on the mat to simulate the necessary running and jumping in events.

People eventually realized they could just cheat by pounding down on the mat with their fists, instead.

I suspect many Wii games, especially Wii Fit will be likewise be "cheated" by using the remote in ways that may go against Nintendo's original vision.

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (2, Funny)

KevinKnSC (744603) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966089)

You know what playing that way makes your kids [penny-arcade.com] , right?

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966451)

Damn, you stole my comment :-)

I agree. Kids who play Wii Tennis while sitting down? Unheard of! Until now, of course.

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 6 years ago | (#19974187)

I see some of my friends trying to sit down on some of these Wii games. I tell everyone to stand up while playing Wii Sports or Wario Ware and threaten to turn the game off if they don't. There are some games just not meant for sitting down and i will not tolerate such profound laziness. It seriously doesn't take that much energy to wave your arm around or stand up. I understand people like to relax after a hard day, but there are other games for that.

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 6 years ago | (#19977921)

Showed my kid that comic... he figures that the f-ing toolbox remark refers to playing standing up and moving around.

Japanese TV quality (1)

ghostunit (868434) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964743)

I wouldn't bother if I lived in the USA since watching their TV programs is a waste of time, but I happen to be quite fond of Japanese TV.

You can just turn on the TV and there's almost always something interesting, funny or nice. But life in Japan is very busy and time is very limited. It's a tough tradeoff.

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966205)

Actually since the SNES (I have a PS1/2/3, SNES and Gamecube) I have started to just give normal TV shows a miss since I get more enjoyment, relaxation and even surprisingly a mild workout (increased heart rate and concentration) from playing a game. I don't mind watching a small amount of TV for the news and the odd TV show although I get more news via the web. So my TV from my perspective now gets used as a games display console until my wife wants to watch her favourate shows, so we have a timeshare on the set which suits us both.

The TV is not being replaced in fact HDTV is selling well (at least in Australia) but TV shows are now having to compete against games which are starting to become more popular. The so-called couch potato is still around and won't disappear anytime soon but people are starting to become aware of fun games. Actually the Nintendo NES was one of the first consoles to actually have a fitness mat althought I don't think this was that popular but at least it was a start.

Re:TV is going the way of the Dinosaurs? (1)

Handlarn (911194) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966987)

A-HA!! Only a couch potato would consider the Wii too even remotely resemble actual exercise!

that's because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963385)

it's worth it.

Nintentdo to sell TV sets next to their consoles (1)

Device666 (901563) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963395)

The Times reports that Japanese consumers have been 'abandoning television' in order to play with Nintendo's Wii
Secret reliable sources say that Nintendo will start to sell TV sets as well...

Journalism, or Nintendo press release? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963399)

It's so perfect, it could have been written by Nintendo.

But television is destined to become as irrelevant and ignored as commercial local radio stations. Maybe one day we'll get to reclaim the bandwidth that it wastes, and use it for something more worthwhile.

Re:Journalism, or Nintendo press release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963491)

you can have amplitude modulation for some gay interweb application when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Re:Journalism, or Nintendo press release? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964733)

You mean like getting rid of broadcast channels and auctioning them off?

Local Radio Stations Irrelevant? (1)

MarkAyen (726688) | more than 6 years ago | (#19974389)

Local commercial radio stations are hardly irrelevant. They're the most convenient source of local traffic, weather and information... at least when you're driving. Personally, I still also rely on broadcast radio for music and news. I refuse to pay a satellite radio provider for content I essentially get for free living in a major metropolitan area.

So? (4, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963443)

I left TV for videogames, the web, chat, forums, downloadable music and anime episodes long time ago.

Re:So? (2, Interesting)

Megane (129182) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963479)

Except that lately, even their anime is sucking. (unless you happen to enjoy cardboard cutout fanservice series, that is) It started about three or four years ago, and while there have always been a couple of good series, they are getting pretty thin.

Right now it looks like mainly just Lucky Star, and Oh Edo Rocket (which is getting severely neglected by fansubbers, at 2 episodes subbed out of 16 so far; looks like it's time to find some raws). And Blue Dragon may not be the best series, but I've been watching that too.

Re:So? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963527)

Except that lately, even their anime is sucking. (unless you happen to enjoy cardboard cutout fanservice series, that is) It started about three or four years ago, and while there have always been a couple of good series, they are getting pretty thin.

Sturgeon's law applies to Anime. But then, don't apply your tastes and assume that everything you don't like -is- in fact bad.

And to the GP, the move away from TV to the Wii will definitely affect Anime. You don't seriously think they actually release directly to the web, do you?

Re:So? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964107)

And to the GP, the move away from TV to the Wii will definitely affect Anime.

Depends on the quality. See, there's this thing called "Otakus" that wouldn't miss their favorite anime just to play Wii.

Think about it - the article says PRIME TIME. In other words, for all the family. Anime isn't exactly "for all the family". It's aimed at either teenagers or children. And don't forget that Anime, most of the time, is a byproduct of Manga.

Re:So? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966093)

Actually the otakus are something to think about. The DS and Wii sell a LOT by having appeal to audiences beyond the gaming equivalent of an otaku. I'm not sure about Japan but in the west they could make a shitload of money by expanding their audience some more. Currently only kids watch those shows without being nerds, the older demographics are being neglected and there's probably a lot of money to be gotten by reaching them like Nintendo has managed to. Of course there's the perception that anime is fgor kids but hey, the same can be said about videogames. Now of course the not so easy thing is the HOW.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19994627)

"DEATH NOTE"!

Enough said.

Re:So? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963531)

Except that lately, even their anime is sucking.

Well, you have to look for the really good series (i.e. Fullmetal alchemist). Unfortunately, they're rare :(

Re:So? (1)

cHALiTO (101461) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968081)

FMA es excellent, and I also recommend Cowboy Bebop if you haven't seen it. It's 26 episodes long, and it's just excellent.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963707)

...How on Earth is Lucky Star not just another fanservice series? I mean it, seriously.

I'll agree that it's been getting to be pretty slim pickings as far as good shows go lately, though. This moe craze seriously needs to stop taking front and center.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19964019)

Complete lack of panty shots and balloon boobs?

Re:So? (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964529)

Loli schoolgirls? Jeeze, have you seen the opening? Just because it's not your cup of tea, doesn't mean it isn't fanservice for someone.

Re:So? (2, Interesting)

Glytch (4881) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963837)

Lucky Star stopped being funny when it turned into the "Let's worship Aya Hirano!" show. Sure, she's talented, but the Konata-is-a-Haruhi-fan gags are getting real old, real fast.

Err, not that I watch either show. Cough.

Re:So? (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963935)

What about Seirei no Moribito or Bokurano or Darker than BLACK? Or Claymore? Or Death Note (which just ended).
Baccano! looks neat, and starts next week. Maybe your taste in shows just sucks?

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19964335)

Nodame Cantabile is a brilliant anime, recently finished by a fansub group that has a misleading name; don't worry about it. As you will see on ANN, it's rated very high. If you don't like music or music animes, however, you won't like it.

Re:So? (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964501)

It's always been like that. It's just that when you look back, even a few years you don't remember all the shit that came out along with the good stuff you remember.

Re:So? (2, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964603)

Except that lately, even their anime is sucking. (unless you happen to enjoy cardboard cutout fanservice series, that is) It started about three or four years ago, and while there have always been a couple of good series, they are getting pretty thin.
I have to agree with you. Of course, when I got into anime, the shows I was introduced to were a "best of" from the last two decades so it seemed like anything that came from Japan was gold. No, it's just that the importers only brought over the best of the best. If you were a 13-yr old boy from a far distant country and your introduction to American cinema consisted of Star Wars (original trilogy), Terminator 1 and 2, Alien, Aliens, Predator, Matrix (first one only), Boondock Saints, Casino Royale, Braveheart, Blade Runner, etc (fill in your own blank here), you would think that Hollywood had True Ultimate Power and was sweet like ninjas. You wouldn't know about all the clunkers, stinkers, and decent movies that might not be in a genre you could appreciate at the time.

That being said, what I've been hearing about from Japan has really, really sucked. Some of my favorite shows have been Cowboy Bebop, first season Ranma, Evangelion (except for the WTF ending), Lain, Robotech, Nadesico, etc. I think the two Ghost in the Shell TV series have been the most adult-oriented offerings I've seen recently. And by adult I don't mean hentai, I mean not a bunch of bishoju mugging for the camera and bishonen gaying up the place. I'm sick of the whole "I'm this terribly powerful and brooding fighter guy and I'm like 17" thing so many shows have going on. Gundam Wing was the worst about that and not just because there were so many shonen-ai fanfics, though that is also a problem. And just how many fucking high school dramas do we need anyway? I give Ranma season 1 a pass because it was the first high school drama I ever saw and it was very funny. The subsequent seasons were insipid and uninspired, just like all the other knock-offs out there. I also give Tenchi a pass because it was only the second harem comedy I saw following Ranma and it was also well-done. But after that, how many more can you take? By the numbers anime sucks just as hard as by the numbers Hollywood crap.

Re:So? (2, Insightful)

Darkael (969121) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964627)

Except that lately, even their anime is sucking.

Excuse me? What about Gurren Lagann (Gainax at its best), Seirei no Moribito, Bokurano, Dennou Coil, Darker than Black, etc? Even the "generic" shounen anime of the year, Claymore, is pretty enjoyable.

Your statement may have been somewhat true in 2006, which was mostly dominated by Haruhi, but so far 2007 has a fuckton of excellent titles. Lucky Star is actually one of the worst examples from this year.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19968215)

It depends on your tastes, of course. A lot of people here are praising recent anime I really don't like at all, while a couple of really good ones have gone unmentioned.

That said, there are a couple really good series running right now in Japan. Dennou Coil being the prime example, and probably the best one running right now. On the more comedic side, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei has started off very strongly. Much better than Lucky Star, to me.

There have been some good recent shows, as well, like Nodame Cantabile and Honey and Clover. Granted, there does seem to be a surge of moe-lolita-fanservice crap lately, and there's always way too much balloon-breasted-fanservice crap. But the gems are still there.

Re:So? (1)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 6 years ago | (#19969537)

Two words, my friend: Ergo Proxy. Think Blade Runner meets Ghost in the Shell with a dash of Lain and the visual style of Witch Hunter Robin. Freakin' excellent series, available in HD, and a great soundtrack too.

What's anime have to do with it? (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 6 years ago | (#19972927)

What's anime have to do with the topic at hand? Anime isn't shown during prime-time hours on TV. Anime in Japan falls into two categories:
1) Kiddie stuff shown in the after-school time slot.
2) Otaku-oriented stuff shown at night on premium channels like WOWOW and direct-to-video stuff.

The stuff they're talking about is all live action: soap operas, comedy shows, game shows, etc., and Japanese live-action television takes Sturgeon's Law to 11.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19963533)

In Japan, isn't anime television?

Well, that and Gilgamesh Night. [infoseek.co.jp] (Not work safe).

Re:So? (3, Informative)

wanderingknight (1103573) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963639)

In Japan, anime is not mainstream family television, aside from the typical kiddie shows and a couple of shounen series. The real substance of anime is aired at late-night slots, and has a really focused target. Average ratings for late-night anime are around 2%~4% at best.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19968145)

That whizzing sound you hear is the joke going over your head....

Of course, I always thought of Gilgamesh Night as mainstream family entertainment before too, but it turns out that I was wrong about that...

Re:So? (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966473)

I agree. I simply can't watch TV anymore. Watching TV just feels as if I was slowly killing myself, in a really, really painful way. Even YouTube is better than most of the crap that is on TV, and those things I actually want to watch (I admit, I do like 24), I download because it's just easier than trying to watch it on TV.

The Internet and game consoles have replaced TV for me.

Yup. (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#19969203)

Except for three good TV series in the past couple years (Arrested Development, 24, 30 Rock), I don't watch TV, I play EQ or pursue other hobbies ...

Not sure how to take this... (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963497)

1) Good news. Wii doing well => likelihood of many years of good games for it => good for me as Wii owner
2) Bad news. Japanese watching less TV => likelihood of fewer cool anime shows being made => bad for me as otaku

Actually... I'm with Japan on this. Wii > Anime. But it's a damn tough trade-off to make!

Re:Not sure how to take this... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963569)

"Bad" in the sense that they get lower ratings, but then Anime ratings are low as it is. They make little money off the TV airings and everything off DVD releases/licensed goods.

So you can have your Wii and new Anime, but it requires the anime fans support the studios.

Re:Not sure how to take this... (4, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963633)

So you can have your Wii and new Anime, but it requires the anime fans support the studios.

* examines T-shirts, wallscrolls, DVD boxsets, figurines dotted around room *
* examines ridiculous amount of bandwidth being consumed by Azureus for Haruhi-related purposes *

... I probably come out around even.

Re:Not sure how to take this... (0)

Microlith (54737) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964481)

examines T-shirts, wallscrolls, DVD boxsets, figurines dotted around room

I'd be skeptical about the legitimate nature of the wallscrolls (most tend to be bootleg,) but so long as the dvd boxed sets/tshirts/figures aren't bootlegs you do more than a lot of fans that download do.

I have p2p tools like winny/share going 24/7, but I put my money where my mouth is like you do and support the creators.

This is more a general reference to the masses out there that by and large, don't.

Re:Not sure how to take this... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966161)

Solution: Anime companies working on Wii games. Once they learn how to make good games they won't even need the anime to market it anymore.

Re:Not sure how to take this... (1)

Goffee71 (628501) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966879)

Remember most Japanese only have one television set in the house... I'm not sure on the take up of PVRs over there but I guess they're taping all the 'good' stuff for later.

Under Pressure (3, Funny)

Bibz (849958) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963541)

Wii Puts Japanese Television Under Pressure

At first, I tought that japanese television were under pressure with all those flying wiimotes. Imagine all the stress the TVs must have when someone starts to play the wii, they never know if they're gonna make it or not.

It will never really be significant (2, Funny)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 6 years ago | (#19963949)

Think about it. Wii NEEDS TV. Quite impossible to play one without a TV. Not to mention, their primary advertising is to young people on TV.

Re:It will never really be significant (1)

LBt1st (709520) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964055)

*looks at his Wii connected to his Dell 24" LCD Monitor*

I haven't had a TV for years. I assuring I'm enjoying my PC, consoles and anime.
This isn't about Television sets, this is about service.

Also, the only numbers were given are for the low TV viewers. There's nothing that suggests it's due to the Wii or anything else. For all we know the Japanese have all taken up outdoor activities.

Re:It will never really be significant (1)

sidb (530400) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965115)

Like the other replyer, my Wii plugs into my monitor. The key difference between my monitor and a TV is that while my monitor can display an NTSC/PAL encoded video signal, it lacks a tuner to extract that signal from a radio (or cable) channel. A display isn't a TV unless it has a tuner.

Re:It will never really be significant (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968543)

Of course they have to advertise primarily to people that do not have a Wii yet... the people that are still watching TV apparently fall into that group.

Re:It will never really be significant (1)

qlayer2 (1122663) | more than 6 years ago | (#19969479)

Wii needs the TV as a dislpay screen. Wii has no use for Television programming, which is what the article is stating the execs feel threatened by. Nobody watching your shows=lower ad revenue=less money in your pocket.

Question.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19964183)

What exactly is a "Wii Puts"?

Has anybody seen Japanese TV..... (1)

marxzed (1075971) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964349)

....lets face it it's not like the Wii was facing any real quality opposition. (and as for the argument of "so bad it's good" even that wears a bit thin after a few weeks)

If I could buy one, I'd abandon TV watching (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19964367)

Anyone can suggest a place in Toronto that has them in stock?

Re:If I could buy one, I'd abandon TV watching (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965237)

If it's anything like here, you have to ask someone in the videogames department at Toys'R Us to know when the next shipment is supposed to come in.

And be prepared to go there for a line-up at around 7:00 (yes, in the morning, possibly even on saturday).

Re:If I could buy one, I'd abandon TV watching (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965303)

I made a great find at Costco about 3 weeks ago. A palette on an endcap with 9 Wiis left on it. On a busy Saturday. It seems to be slowing a bit... But not much. That was the 3rd (and final) palette of them they sold that day, each one containing about 30 Wiis. And by the time I circled the store, they were all gone.

Then again, it was at Costco, and the Sample Grannies are all at the other end of the store handing out food. If there's one thing that can trump the Wii, it's free food. Maybe that accounts for the delay...

USing The Wii As a Media Center (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19964533)

Maybe they're just using the web browser on the wii to watch tv from youtube and other places -
imeem [imeem.com] is probably the most complete of the wiiptimised sites I've seen, since imeem does music and video it covers the basic stuff you'd want to see from a media center. You can't access the blogs, photos, chat or social features from teh wii but you can pretty much get all the music, and I guess they've just signed a deal with warner brothers so there should be more than indie stuff up there.

No reports in the Japanese press? (2, Interesting)

KNicolson (147698) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964573)

I've just spent some time searching the Japanese language internet, and I cannot find a decent source for this - all the blogs seem to be quoting British sources for this. Has anyone got any hard facts?

Re:No reports in the Japanese press? (1)

kyousum (664287) | more than 6 years ago | (#19964845)

I found one page in Japanese reporting that there was such a report in British news [news-digest.co.uk] . The report is based on a comment of one TV executive, and many Japanese disagree [livedoor.jp] to his analysis. They say that it's because recent Japanese TV sucks.

Agreed, dramas are stale, I hear (1)

KNicolson (147698) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965799)

BTW, isn't no program getting over 9% almost impossible anyway, as the percentage is based on the total number of viewers at that time on all channels, so with 6 or so private and 2 public channels, cable and satellite have to have pretty high shares to depress all the terrestrial broadcasts.

Also, I found it amusingly predictable how it didn't take long for someone to blame Soka Gakkai for it all.

Too few Wiis to notice? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19965651)

Am I the only one that thinks that ~3M Wiis sold in a country with 127M people is not going to be noticable in terms of television viewing?

As much as I love my Wii, I find it very hard to believe that there's enough of them out there to really make a noticable difference.

Well, not totally outside the realm of possible... (1)

patio11 (857072) | more than 6 years ago | (#19966221)

Average family size is just over 3, so thats 42 million households. 9% drop of viewership is like losing 3.78 million households. I can't imagine that ALL of the Wiis picked off a household, but I could imagine that the intersection of "plays Wii" and "watches television" is pretty darn high. Thus, there are probably a few million households with older folks, young single salarymen, etc who do not watch television at all, reducing the total number of TV viewing households, and then 3 millon Wiis could cause a bit of a bite.

Now, most likely, there is a witches brew of factors here, of which the Wii is only one part. Frankly, I think the Wii is probably not causing a 9% decline or even a 5% decline based on my totally anecdotal knowledge of my Japanese friends and coworkers. That said, add in 3% from a Wii with 3% from random variation and 3% from a poor season for TV and things go from "disappointing" to "crisis" in a hurry.

Re:Too few Wiis to notice? (1)

ShaggyIan (1065010) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970997)

To add to the previous commenter, it also counts on how the drops are attributed by show.

Pick any major network show in the US, and drop it's viewership by a million or two, and people will be VERY concerned. Every ratings point is worth big bucks. Take the numbers from your prime-time (i.e. costly to produce, highest ad revenue) programs, and the crying turns to wailing.

Japanese TV (2, Insightful)

Taulin (569009) | more than 6 years ago | (#19965881)

A lot of you really do not know what Japanese TV really means. My wife is Japanese, and I lived there several years while going to animation school. I spent many a' day doing my home work while trying to find something to watch on TV (I was doing contract programming from home/bar). Let me tell you this...there is NOTHING of interest on TV before 7 or 8 at night. NOTHING! Don't make me repeat that. Oh wait...at around 2:00 there are old Samurai movies that have some nudity in them....

Re:Japanese TV (1)

dj_tla (1048764) | more than 6 years ago | (#19973751)

I lived there for a year too, and I can't agree more. In fact, even the article summary sums it up pretty well: "soap operas, panel games and comedy variety shows." A lot of great stuff comes out of Japan (movies from Takeshi, Kurosawa, etc.; some anime; the games that are usurping TV time), but you would never know it watching Japanese TV.

This is so true. (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 6 years ago | (#19974211)

The level of pain involved in watching nearly anything live-action that comes on Japanese television cannot be understated. The production values are poor, the actors are utterly talentless, and the content is void of sentience. It's incredibly cringe-worthy to watch. The corniness level of Japanese television can only really be rivaled in American pop culture terms by the TV of the 70s -- especially the game shows, talent shows, comedy shows, and soap operas mentioned in the article.

TV was the worst part of my time in Japan back in 2000.

Re:Japanese TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19975049)

Have you seen US TV lately. Other than people watching things like Jerry Springer, and daytime soaps, I'd say that was pretty much the case here too. Without Cable or Satelite TV, there'd be nothing here as well.

I though Japan might have satellite. I thought that China, Korea, Tawain, and most of the other "Asian Tiger" nations just rip off satellite programming these days. At least, the last time I checked, they were.

The Japanese Anime that get licensed over here these days are utter tripe. Quantity and Quality must be inverse ratios. A few good anime came over in the early days, then they started flooding the market with the cheap crap to replace the cheap US crap here.

FWIW, Europe is a much better place to see nudity. Fewer ballooned up Silicone lumps over there. I don't get why USians like fake breasts so much.

TV don't worry (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 6 years ago | (#19967905)

TV shouldn't worry! Any day now, Sony PS3 domination begins and the Wii fad will end.

There, is that enough repetitions to make it true already?

Wii TV (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 6 years ago | (#19968195)

There should be a "Wii TV" Channel on the Wii that is like an alarm clock that tells you that there's your favourite show on TV.

Ironically... (1)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 6 years ago | (#19972929)

this just gave me the perfect idea for a Wii game. It's based on the only japanese TV show with which I am familiar. Maximum Exposure! You control giddy young japanese people as they stumble through dangerous waste-filled obstacle courses built in abandoned industrial parks. Come to think of it, if most japanese television is anything as ridiculous (and amusingly hilarious) as that show, then the entire industry has a bright future in Wii games. Ah Max X. Is that show still on anymore?

Oh, wait.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#19986909)

you mean you can do other things in the big square thing instead of playing video-games?
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