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Price Cut Leads To PS3, PSP Sales Boost

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the i-know-it-got-me dept.

PlayStation (Games) 154

Klaidas writes "The BBC reports that sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 console in the US rose by 21% in June, though the machine still trails the Wii and Xbox 360. NPD numbers show 98,500 PS3s were sold, compared to 198,400 Xbox 360s (up 28%) and 381,800 Wiis (up 13%). Sony said that the $100 price cut to the 60GB PS3 led to a 135% sales rise over the last two weeks, though independent confirmation of that jump is not yet available. 'Nintendo's DS handheld sold 561,900 units , while Sony's PSP, which has been boosted by an April price cut, sold 230,100 units, NPD reported. Software sales in the US are 31% higher than the same time last year, the market research showed, buoyed by new consoles from all three firms.'"

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Misleading headline (5, Informative)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968707)

Since the price cut occurred two weeks ago (for the PS3), these numbers don't reflect any bump from said price cut. The numbers that we'll be looking for are July, August, and September to see if the price cut leads to a sustained increase in sales.

Re:Misleading headline (0, Troll)

rjhubs (929158) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968735)

Yeah, FTA: "Independent figures for sales of the cheaper PS3 are not yet available. "

Very misleading headline.

Re:Misleading headline (0, Flamebait)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969145)

You tell me how a price cut has lead to a PS3 sales boost and I'll gladly agree with you. Try reading the title. Good job.

Re:Misleading headline (1, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969313)

Um, easy? TFA (also in the summary) says,

Sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) console in the US rose by 21% in June. Tracking firm NPD Group reported that 98,500 PS3s were sold.

Sony said that the $100 (£50) price cut to the 60GB PS3 led to a 135% sales rise over the last two weeks.

Let's see here. We have:

1. Actual numbers of sales.
2. A computed increase in sales.
3. An analysis from the company who sells the product.

It all adds up to an increase in sales due to the PS3 price drop. Something which I completely believe.

Since the launch of the PS3, the number one sticking point with consumers has been the high price. It was irrelevant if they could afford it or not, it was simply more than they were willing to pay. The temporary $100 price drop was thus able to impress upon consumers that the PS3 is currently being sold at a "value" price, and that they had better get one before the price goes back up. (Some people are suckers for sales. :P) Therefore, Sony's analysis that correlates the sales increase with the drop in price is justified. It's difficult to *prove* in a mathematical sense, but the evidence is sufficient to accept the claim on the basis of common sense, economic theory, and market trends.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969589)

It all adds up to an increase in sales due to the PS3 price drop. Something which I completely believe.

Not when the actual number of sales and computed increase in sales you cite are from June, before the price cut. The only supporting evidence is Sony's claim (not that I disbelieve them).

Re:Misleading headline (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#19969787)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/re f=pd_ts_pg_1/104-3196751-9419921?ie=UTF8&pg=1 [amazon.com]

Oh look, the PS3 FINALLY DROPPED to 2nd spot since it becamse #1 after the price drop. Unless Amazon is really just in bed with Sony.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

uerunner (1046052) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970027)

This just shows how well the Wii is doing. The only reason the PS3 was number one in the first place was because Amazon does not have Wiis for sale at retail price. Despite that fact, the Wii has regained the top spot over the $499 PS3. More people are buying Wiis that are being resold at a price typically marked up over $100 than they are buying PS3s at retail value. I will not disagree that the PS3 has been selling better since the price drop, but it is still selling nowhere near the rate of the Wii.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970183)

Amazon does get wii's in on occaision at retail, but the tend to sell out within minutes. I'm not sure how many they get, but they are gone as soon as they get in.

On a somewhat tangent note, NOA's VP was an idiot for saying that Wii shortages will continue until at least next year. I'm not sure if they will or not, but after that announcement I can just imagine that tons of scalpers all of a suddenly had dollar signs in their eyes. There tend to be Wii hoarders who can easily flip them for $100 profit easy, and all it takes is maybe an hours work(ie stake out local retail establishments when they get their shipments and swoop in and grab one)

Re:Misleading headline (0)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970435)

"I will not disagree that the PS3 has been selling better since the price drop, but it is still selling nowhere near the rate of the Wii."

Which is all I was trying to show... yesh. Anyone saying the 360 or PS3 will overtake the Wii anytime soon is smoking some pretty strong stuff. I would'nt be suprised to see the Wii outsell the PS2 for alltime sales at some point. Nintendo hit a grand slam with this.

Re:Misleading headline (3, Insightful)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970181)

This is supposed to prove ... what exactly? Even if a single vendor was a meaningful metric, there's a few issues here:
  • The Wii is currently ranked higher.
  • Even though it's not unlikely the PS3 temporarily took the #1 spot, you provide no evidence that it did or for how long. Since this is updated hourly, it's unlikely that you actually know that it was consistently #1 (unless perhaps you're disturbingly obsessive).
  • Amazon doesn't even sell the Wii directly at the moment.
  • The marketplace sellers that do offer the Wii are doing so at a shipped price of $392.19 and higher, or $142.20 over MSRP. If anything it's absolutely pathetic that the PS3 at MSRP can't outsell the Wii at 56% markup over retail.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970397)

What this shows is what I was trying to show, which is that sales went UP. It was NOT #1, or #2, before the sale. No I can't prove that because I can't go back in time and show you a web page. However I think it's fairly safe for you to assume the PS3 is not Amazon's #2 selling console before the price drop. You can "trust" me on that, unless you think the PS3 has always outsold the 360? It also shows it's currently selling MORE then the 360. I don't remember saying that the PS3 was outselling the Wii, just that sales went up. Yesh! It was asked for a non Sony source of info that sales went up, and it DID. In fact, if I wasn't at work, I could go to Joystiq and link you the article showing that the PS3 sales went up on Amazon.com from about 2 weeks ago. Good grief, in fact I'm GLAD the Wii is #1 again, I'm GLAD that Nintendo is doing well and did'nt go under like the doom sayers said they would. Go underdog. Leave the fanboism at home ok?

Re:Misleading headline (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 6 years ago | (#19974193)

I was mostly aiming to illustrate that, as a reliable metric, Amazon's sales rank isn't very useful. Even if there were historical trends provided it's still a relative metric, not absolute, so it can't prove an absolute increase in sales by it's nature. In this case it's even worse because the ranking is relative to another product which is supply constrained disproportionate to the overall market.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971955)

I'm in Amazon's video games section every day to check the deal of the day, so I see the "top 5" daily and it's only very recently that it dropped out of number one. Interestingly enough, the first thing to bump it out of #1 was a Wii nunchuck. I have a feeling that the reason the Wii is number one at the moment is that Amazon got a shipment in and people swarmed on it.

Re:Misleading headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19968867)

I don't see how there can be a sustained increase in sales anyway, since there won't be a sustained price cut on the discontinued 60gig model.

Re:Misleading headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19968995)

Sony has also gone on record saying they like the idea of two SKU's, and the 40 gig without wireless or memory card slots wasn't "value added" (article was on Joystiq recently) anyways my point is if your crazy enough to think the 60 gig price point is going to disappear your way off base. The 80 will replace the 60, just as the 60 replaced the 40. A higher capacity drive will replace the 80's price point.

Re:Misleading headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19969211)

Now you're just making shit up to help justify the price you paid for a ps3 and entrance to its "community".

Re:Misleading headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19969883)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/23/joystiq-intervie ws-sceas-phil-rosenberg-and-john-koller/ [joystiq.com]

I can't validate the link, but if you go back on Joystiq to 07 23 you should be able to find it if I mistyped it.

"We've always wanted a two SKU strategy in the marketplace. When we introduced the 20GB, but without the memory slots, and without the wi-fi, the value proposition simply wasn't there"

Sorry but go FUD someone else please, mkay?

Re:Misleading headline (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971467)

Why doesn't anyone who frequents this site understand what "FUD" actually is?

Re:Misleading headline (1)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968949)

Wow, now we don't even RTFS. We just RTFT. From the summary...

Sony said that the $100 price cut to the 60GB PS3 led to a 135% sales rise over the last two weeks, though independent confirmation of that jump is not yet available.

Re:Misleading headline (2, Interesting)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969233)

though independent confirmation of that jump is not yet available


Honestly, I wouldn't believe anything I heard from Sony. If it were a sunny day and Sony told me the sky were blue, I'd probably still look up to be sure. For all we know, what they really meant was that they shipped 135% more PS3s into the retail channel in anticipation for increased sales.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971855)

Considering that the PS3 has been either the #1 or #2 best seller in Video Games on Amazon since the price drop, I wouldn't doubt it in the least.

Re:Misleading headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19974307)

Honestly, I wouldn't believe anything I heard from Sony. If it were a sunny day and Sony told me the sky were blue, I'd probably still look up to be sure. For all we know, what they really meant was that they shipped 135% more PS3s into the retail channel in anticipation for increased sales.

Plus 4 insightful for just spouting about not trusting a company? Not even an irrelevant anecdote to back it up?

VGChartz for the week ending July 7 [vgchartz.com] and July 14 [vgchartz.com] .

15,930 on the first chart and 45,090 on the second. I didn't run the numbers, but it looks like more than a 135% increase to me.

I don't care if you hate Sony, the PS3 and the Spiderman movies for having the same font as the PS3. Knock yourself out. But you guys that rate this stuff as "insightful" need to look that word up in the dictionary.

Not Misleading, it's an Optimistic Headline... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19972605)

The Headline implies the PS3 is on the uptake, which is true compared to other months, but it could just as easily been said that Sony's PlayStation 3 was outsold by every tracked console but the Nintendo GameCube and the Xbox. [ign.com] in June. or

"PS3 Still out sold by GBA" and it would also be true. It simply depends on the spin you want to put on your article. I don't know why GBA numbers were excluded from the parent article since the "Last gen PS2" was also included... Here are some more numbers...

DS - 561,000 units

Wii - 381,000 units

PSP - 290,000 units

PS2 - 270,000 units

X-box 360 - 198,000 units

GBA - 113,000 units

PS3 - 98,000 units.

Clearly Sony can put their spin on it for "Total dollars spent" or "Combined units sold", but the numbers just don't indicate the PS3 is doing well (even if it is better than the months prior).

Schools are out for summer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19968791)

Of course kids are being loaded up with the latest consoles!

Re:Schools are out for summer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19969503)

I think that less than 1% of all kids are both rich and spoiled enough to get a PS3.

Re:Schools are out for summer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19970029)

Most families I know spend at least that a month just eating out. $600 is a piss in the ocean for working skilled parents. But hey, that's just people I know. Eventually the price will drop then drop again, and the lower income demographic can pick them up and a stack of used games for xbox or PS2 prices now. By then the Wii will be had at a bargain $80 with games, and the Wii HD hype will have started.

Poor Sony (2, Interesting)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968837)

The Xbox360 came out a full year earlier, and it is still selling 100k more units per month? That hurts. Also nice to see the Wii still going strong.

I bet no one out there regrets their Wii360 purchase instead of just a PS3.

Re:Poor Sony (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968875)

I bet no one out there regrets their Wii360 purchase instead of just a PS3.

My friend calls his combo the "Wii60." Has a nice ring to it.

Now all I wish is I could actually find a Wii...

Re:Poor Sony (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968961)

It hurts, but it's not entirely unexpected. The 360 has hit the point where a new buyer can pick up the console and has almost 2 years worth of titles to choose from, and the last 6 months to a year have had some very very good titles.

The PS3 is almost a year old and still has very very few exclusive titles, with the majority of them being ports of 360 games and released up to a year later.

Add to that the price difference and people have many reasons to buy a 360 over a PS3.

I'll even hazard a guess that a good portion of PS3 owners also own a 360 and simply HAVE to have everything. (I'm usually in this category, but this time I only bought a PS3 already because I got one dirt-cheap, used. There are no compelling games yet for me.)

Sales for the PS3 will pick up nearer to Christmas as some good, compelling games are released for it. Folklore (TBA, probably not this year), Heavenly Sword, Echochrome... I'm sure there are others coming. I can't help but restate that I wish they would release Persona and Persona 2 (PSX Games) for download. Maybe they'll hear me eventually. Persona is supposedly getting a PSP remake, so I'm not holding my breath.

I'd also like to take a moment to express my anger that Persona 3 was delayed because the paper was good enough in the art booklet. Next time, ship the booklet separately and give us the game on time. -sigh-

Re:Poor Sony (3, Informative)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970391)

The PS3 is almost a year old and still has very very few exclusive titles! ~by Aladrin (926209) Alter Relationship on Tuesday July 24, @08:56AM (#19968961 [slashdot.org] )

The console was first released on November 11, 2006 in Japan and shortly after on November 17, 2006 in North America, Hong Kong and Taiwan.! ~Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

November = 11/12 month. July 7/12 month. That's about a 4 month difference before we see it's 1 year anniversary, or 1/3 (33.333%) of a year. You have a very loose definition of 'almost'.

According to this list [wikipedia.org] , there are over 40 games slated to be released before their true 1 year mark. Over 11 of them exclusive. Of course, given the usual game development, some of this might be pushed back past November 2007.

Add to that the price difference and people have many reasons to buy a 360 over a PS3.

The "Elite" [wikipedia.org] price of the 360 is pretty much on par with the 60-GB 'firesale' price at $479.99 compared to $499.99. Add on the option HD-DVD drive [wikipedia.org] at $199.99 [amazon.com] and now you're looking at a console that's MORE expensive than the PS3, which comes with Blu-ray. Though, you do get a bigger hard drive (120GB compared to 80GB)

Nah, the 360 is not a better price comparison than the PS3, given similar setups. It is better for consumers because of it's optional features, but that will also be a drawback for it's system. One cannot put a game on HD-DVD media for the 360 because they cannot guarentee everyone has an HD-DVD drive. Well, one could do it, but it could scorn consumers who might purchase it (and you know there are people who will) thinking it will work because it's a 360 game.

There are only 2 main reasons for get a 360 over a PS3. Game library (as you already mentioned) and online support. Both of these can be categorized into the 'maturity' of the console because it has been out longer.

While I'm a Nintendo supporter, my crystal ball does predict the PS3 to overtake both the Wii and 360 in 2 years. It's going to be a huge gap to make up from the Wii but I believe you'll start seeing games on the PS3 that will just blow people away and everyone will be wanting one. One top of that, in 2-years that 80GB model will probably be selling closer to $400, which will be much more affordable for everyone as the prices of Blu-Ray and computer chips drop at their usual rate. Such games won't be possible on the 360 without a HD-DVD requirement.

You'll see the PS3 become more popular with developers as the 'casual gamers' market that the Wii is very effectively targeting, is also a market that does not spend gobs of money on games or as often. 1 game for a casual gamer family will probably satisfy them for months, while a hobby gamer (like myself) will 'beat' a game in a week or two and will want to move onto something else. Of course, this will depend on the game. MMO's will probably take over the 360 and PS3 consoles with the availability of a hard drive.

At that point, since "everyone"(tm) will be picking up a PS3, there will be a resurgence of interest in it as if it was part of a 'new' generation of consoles. Like "current + .5 generation". And maybe in the next 2 years Sony can correct it's PR from it's other department mishaps.

In 2 years, those gamers who sprang for a Wii or 'Wii60' while have $400 to spend on a new console and they'll see a good healthy library of games to choose from and will pick-up a PS3. Given the massive power of the PS3 (how many processes does it take to render a guy changing a light bulb?), in 2-years, games will still be coming out and wow-ing people with their graphics and physical renderings, making the PS3 still feel fresh. The online support will be competitive with the 360 and there will be all kinds of cool 'hacks' for the PS3 running Linux. Stuff like homebrew, etc.

Well, that's what my crystal ball sees. I'd like to pickup a PS3, but probably not for another 3 years when I have more money, I can pick one up used, and there are a ton of games I want to play. Just like I did with the PS2 (which I first picked up weeks before the PS3 debut).

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Poor Sony (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970781)

Stop comparing features for a moment and compare what they do for the person who buys it.

A gamer wants to play GAMES, not movies. In terms of that, the $400 360 and the 'fire-sale' PS3 are the ones to compare. (The cheapest 360 is crap without the hard drive, as you cannot download demos and saving is -much- less hassle with a hard drive than a memory card.) Yes, it's a nice bonus to be able to play Blu-ray, but that also assumes the person has an HDMI-capable TV as well. Otherwise, it's just a glorified DVD player.

Notice that Wii doesn't even play DVD. It's just not necessary.

As for being popular with Developers, the PS3 is famous for how hard it is to program for already. The PS2 wasn't exactly easy, but the PS3 managed to trump it. There were even vendors at E3 talking about how hard it was to get things to run on the PS3 while they were giving demos on BOTH other systems. Epic has also had issues getting their Unreal Engine stable on it and has violated some contracts over it. I seriously doubt it's just a matter of understanding the hardware.

And in 2 years... If the PS3 doesn't gain some SERIOUS momentum right now, publishers won't have any interest in the PS3 and it'll only get crappy ports from other systems to gain a few bucks. With few owners, there's no point in trying to make exclusive games for it. Each console basically gets a grace period at launch and if they haven't got a compelling user base in a reasonable amount of time, the console is dead.

For movie enthusiasts, the PS3 is obviously the console of choice, I'll admit. The blu-ray player is cheaper than the stand-alones, the interface works well (only 1 complaint so far) and it can even stream from the network. They are planning more features soon such as cellphone-based control of the system that can only improve it. The bluetooth remote is a bit odd, but I find I really like it. It's a good remote, and no line-of-sight crap is -very- nice.

My complaint on the interface? Fast forward speeds are 1.5x, 10x, and upwards from there. No 2x? No 4x? 1.5 is hardly worthwhile, and 10x is too fast and almost never works over the network. A firmware update could fix that, though.

Sony has shown they are willing to help developers get on track (Epic) and they may just be able to pull this off... Momentum from the PS2 helps a lot, too. But the lack of games will still kill them if they don't get on the ball.

Re:Poor Sony (1)

toolie (22684) | more than 6 years ago | (#19972841)

The blu-ray player is cheaper than the stand-alones, the interface works well (only 1 complaint so far) and it can even stream from the network.
Its not the cheapest any more. Amazon [amazon.com] has a stand alone player for $459.98. Thats $40.01 cheaper than the 'fire sale'. Its on sale, and no clue how long the sale is going to last, but new players are coming out cheaper all the time.

Re:Poor Sony (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970677)

Folklore (TBA, probably not this year), Heavenly Sword, Echochrome... I'm sure there are others coming.

You forgot timed exclusives UT3 and Haze, both of which look good to those who consider the Xbox a "FPS" machine and the PS a "RPG" machine. Add in HL2 and older games like RS:Vegas and Resistance and you have some pretty nice FPS games to compete with the 360's Halo (I'm not a fan myself). I think this generation you're going to see the lines blur more and more.

Also, the fact that Microsoft has publicly acknowledged the problems it's having with Rings of Red probably isn't boosting consumer confidence, and I'm not sure a robust games library will save them. Sony is catching up. If the price drop doesn't help this summer, if it's still in effect this holiday season then the 360 is going to have some issues - you can't get 2 year old games at your average retailer anymore unless they are used. It's one year and that's it. Most people aren't jumping into the next generation to save money. So basically, the 2 year games library isn't going to be enough of an advantage to help them.

Re:Poor Sony (4, Interesting)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969147)

The Xbox360 came out a full year earlier, and it is still selling 100k more units per month?

Well, the PS2 came out almost 7 years ago, and, at least as of May, was still outselling the PS3 and XBox360 put together each month. As the PS3 price comes down, it will be interesting to see if Sony can convert a substantial portion of the PS2 buyers into PS3 owners down the road. And while it's true that the PS3 has little exclusive content yet, I can't wait for the first virtual world-style game (Maybe a GTA?) that uses the Blu-Ray capacity to offer an order of magnitude richer world than you can get on anything else.

In other words, the game isn't over-- it's hardly begun.

Although I could have gone any of the 3 ways (the Wii seems fun but lacking in features, the 360 seems like it has a good online feature but lackluster specs, and the PS3 is expensive but featureful), I don't regret the PS3. Blu-Ray movies look awesome, the machine has horsepower out the wazoo, the LAN features just work-- it has everything I need for a long time. And it plays my PS2 games so I don't have to go out and buy hundreds of dollars in new games to have a little fun.

Re:Poor Sony (2, Informative)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 6 years ago | (#19969783)

Sure you can play most PS2 games in the 60 gb PS3, but the 80gb version won't have the Emotion Engine built in, so the backwards compatibility advantage will take a significant step back. No Gran Turismo 4, no Xenosaga, no Metal Gear 2, no Bully, for example. The PS3 has a future if people actually want to spend $30-$35 a pop for blu-ray movies. If they'd rather spend $10-$20 for the normal DVD, they blu-ray becomes a liability, not an advantage. And, in the end, the PS3 needs exclusives to sell, and every big exclusive they had is either gone or delayed to 2008.

Re:Poor Sony (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19970195)

Gran Turismo has worked on the European PS3s for some time. Since one of the early updates. I haven't got any of the others but I suggest you check the latest compatibility list rather than the original one.

Re:Poor Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19971399)

Bully and MGS2 also work.

Re:Poor Sony (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970967)

I bought the HD-DVD add-on for the 360, because I got a very good deal on a used one from Craigslist. I was extremely excited. I watched a few movies, rented a few from Netflix and was just extremely happy with my purchase (as I assume i would've been had i bought a blu-ray player). THEN I started buying them... as you said at $30 a pop. That was something i did not really count on. I mean, I knew what they cost obviously... I just wasn't considering it.

So now I sit on my couch and look at my 6 hd-dvd movies for a total of $180 or so and... its hard not to regret the purchase a bit.

I wish i would've just stuck to renting them from Netflix.

Re:Poor Sony (0)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970203)

I certainly do regret the Wii360 purchase. Though fortunately I had the financial resources to buy all 3.

The 360 is a piece of shit. It's loud, and sounds like it is in constant risk of dying merely because I pushed a button on the controller. It is garbage completely. No retailer should be selling these things to consumers and as a software guy (in academia), I cannot figure out why or how anyone would develop anything for these pieces of crap when odds are it won't work next time you try to compile your code.

The wii: Amusing party gimmick. Not much actual substance for a more serious gamer (yet). Don't get me wrong, there is a tiny bit (zelda!). The virtual console is nice, but not nearly as useful as I would have anticipated. I already have those games, and played those games. There are others available which offer something new (game mechanics, story line whatever). Not that there isn't hope for the Wii, quite the contrary, the Wii has great potential for another year or two. Obviously games need to be made for normal controllers and not the goofy nunchuck as well. If you think that's a selling point of the system, you clearly haven't played a game for a week or two. Yes, it looks amusing and makes a great party gimmick, but for any sort of serious gaming the controller is a huge detractor for the system.

The PS3 has reasonably good hardware (not enough RAM though obviously), silent as a tomb etc... For those people who care (i.e. not me, but people who play driving games) the rumble comming back will be critical. Sony has that sorted out it seems, it is just a matter of time before they are buyable. But overall the rest of the software library is decidedly weak. Sure there are some cross platform titles (and really, if you have the choice there is no reason to even consider the 360 version of anything), but those don't sell consoles. Ninja gaiden sigma, while quite a lot of fun is a rehash of previous ninja gaidens and probably not a huge selling point unless you haven't played them. RFOM as everyone has ever said is a reasonably good game but not earth shatteringly good.

Given the choice right now of Wii360 or a PS3, I wouldn't advise buying anything. Definately not a 360, we can only hope someone in microsoft comes to their senses and gives up on the console market and recalls all the 360s so they can stop wasting shareholder value and gamers time. In some months (probably by the end of this calendar year) we will see if the PS3 or Wii can really deliver on games. If I had to guess, which given the circumstances I do, I would bet the Wii will remain the gimmicky casual style games that cater more towared kids or people looking for short play sessions, some of that is fixable by developing games for a sensible controller as well as or in lieu of the nunchuk. That's a good market for nintendo, it's probably on a Euro/Yen/Dollar basis the biggest share of the market. The PS3 can pick up the (for want of a better phrase), premium market, that is people with High def TV's looking for a more serious, technically complex/ai challenging experience. There really is room for them both, and if you can find them for sale the madcatz system stackers allow them to sit nicely on top of each other. Sony's problem is fixable if they start cleaning up the dev tools and open up the coffers to get exclusives and some decent software product on the shelves.

Re:Poor Sony (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970473)

I bet no one out there regrets their Wii360 purchase instead of just a PS3.

I bet this guy is regretting his decision [kotaku.com] just a little. And Microsoft views Rings of Red [kotaku.com] as a good thing for sales...so I guess if you do create a device that fails every 3-6 months then your shareholders will be happy because you generate repeat customers with little effort on your part. Way to go Microsoft!

Re:Poor Sony (1)

senatorpjt (709879) | more than 6 years ago | (#19974127)

Well, considering he's the editor of a popular gaming blog, I'm sure he's not regretting being able to write articles about the 360.

Interesting next few months (1)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968877)

These numbers dont reflect the price cuts. But the PS3 still managed 10k more units this month than last. Wii is still stomping away though obviously. Next few months numbers for Sony after the price drop and a big E3, and numbers for 360 after all of the reliability suits, should make for interesting data.

What suits? (1)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#19969775)

"...and numbers for 360 after all of the reliability suits..."

Reliability suits? They've agreed to fix all the failed units under warranty, pay back anybody who paid out of pocket for the repairs, and extend the warranty for those units to three years. What kind of suit could possibly exist after these concessions? Is somebody going to seriously try for a mental anguish grab or something?

Re:What suits? (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970421)

Shareholder suits.

360 sales are way down, 60%, according to MS' own figures.

Re:What suits? (1)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970937)

"Shareholder suits. 360 sales are way down, 60%, according to MS' own figures."

Unless "reliability suits" means something other than what it seems to mean, "shareholder" suits are not "reliability suits". Besides, isn't Microsoft at a high point for the last calendar year, and didn't they revise their earnings upwards, even after including the billion dollar charge for dealing with the problems?

Re:What suits? (1)

coop247 (974899) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970555)

The two lawsuits [informationweek.com] already filed, with more lawyers lining up to hit the MS gravy train.

There was also a 60% plunge [yahoo.com] in 4th quarter sales.

In its earnings statement for the quarter, Microsoft said it shipped 700,000 Xbox 360 units during the period, compared to 1.8 million in the fiscal fourth quarter of 2006 -- a fall off of 61%.

Re:What suits? (1)

Petersko (564140) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971111)

"The two lawsuits [informationweek.com] already filed, with more lawyers lining up to hit the MS gravy train"

These two lawsuits are more applicable, both being for the "scratched disc" issue. However, these class action lawsuits will fail unless they get substantial numbers of claimants. From what I see here, so far there are... well, two claimants. Otherwise it's safe for the court to assume they might just be morons who thought they could move the 360 around while it was running.

We'll see how those play out, but really it's just a forgotten footnote in the tale, financially or news-wise, until the claimants number in the tens of thousands.

If the problem really is due to a manufacturing decision that inevitably leads to scratched discs, why are mine in pristine condition? That's the question I would want answered, were I making a determination of culpability. "There was also a 60% plunge in 4th quarter sales"

It seems to me that an expensive console like the 360 is going to experience a drop over a year, especially since the competition launched in that period. I'm impressed it only dropped 60%.

Re:What suits? (1)

samdu (114873) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971865)

The extended warranty only applies to the RRoD issue. Class Action suits are pending in a few states (CA, FL, and one other iirc), over the disc scratching issue.

Who could have predicted this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19968907)

In the 18th century? [wikipedia.org]

Re:Who could have predicted this? (1)

ShaggyIan (1065010) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969653)

My first thought exactly.

You mean lower prices increased demand? Someone should tell economists about this!!!

One could also argue a decent E3 showing, or the fact that the kiddies have had time to save up their summer lawn mowing money are responsible for the increase.

I Heart PS3 (1, Interesting)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 7 years ago | (#19968977)

Honestly, for the last four months, my PS3 has been getting more play time than my Wii and 360 combined. I have to hand it to Fall of Man (even more awesome the second time through and online is a blast), Virtua Fighter and Castlevania Symphony of the Night right now, but next month should see a continued demand with Lair and Heavenly Sword. That has translated into me convincing three people I work with to also get a PS3 over the same time period. Two did it for the games, and one did it for the movie playing capability. As much as I enjoy Sony's PR (or any PR, for that matter) shooting themselves in the foot, I have enjoyed the crap out of my system, both for games and for movies (Casino Royal and Pirates look incredible). Plus, the fact they let you use a keyboard and mouse for UT3 (and hopefully more FPS), is aces in my book.

In fact, this fall looks incredible (and expensive!) all around. My personal list of things to look out for in the next six months are:

PS3:
  • Lair
  • Heavenly Sword
  • Warhawk
  • Ratchet and Clank
  • Assassin's Creed
  • Tekken 6
PC:
  • Bioshock
  • Crysis
  • Half-Life Episode 2/Portal/Team Fortress 2
  • Unreal Tournament 3
Wii:
  • Metroid Prime 3
  • Super Mario Galaxy
  • Super Smash Bros
360:
  • Halo 3
If anything, I am most disappointed in my 360 lineup. Of what's coming out, Halo 3 is the only thing I consider "must own" (maybe Blue Dragon, I haven't decided). Oh well, it makes a good media extender to Vista...

Re:I Heart PS3 (2, Informative)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969245)

So you love your PS3 for:
An FPS which could have been done better on a PC, a graphical bump to a PS1/PS2 fighting game and an emulated version of a PS1 game.
You probably live on an oil well if that seems like a good bargain.

Moreover, all of Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Crysis and UT3 are not exclusive, headed straight to PC, 360 and PS3, so placing them only in one category makes it seem a tad biased.

The game I'm most looking for which is a PS3 exclusive is actually a much more casual game called LittleBigPlanet.

I never figured out why people are masochistic enough to play FPSes with dual-analog controllers (i.e on consoles).

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969413)

UT3 wont be on the 360 until 2008 sometime. But to give the ps3 credit, many of us just cant game on computers anymore. Or dont have gaming computers, so it being on the PS3 and also allowing Mouse/KB support is really big time. That lone would make me buy the ps3 version over the 360 version. But that being said, I am looking forward to the same games the OP is aside from Assassins Creed. But my most wanted game on any console is probably Mass Effect for the 360. Tekken 6 would be a close second, which contrary to your statement is not just a fighting game with a graphics bump. Tekken 6 is one of the worlds most competetive and popular fighting games. Online is to be included as well. This is really big for fighting fans and the fighting genre in general. I wouldnt dismiss it so casually.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969417)

I stand corrected, Crysis is PC only, Bioshock is PC and 360.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

ak3ldama (554026) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969463)

Hell, I bought a Wii, with the money I saved on the console and the lack of a need for an HDTV I plan on buying a Gibson Explorer this fall. Sounds like a great deal long term to me.

I never figured out why people are masochistic enough to play FPSes with dual-analog controllers (i.e on consoles).
I totally agree.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971059)

I never figured out why people are masochistic enough to play FPSes with dual-analog controllers (i.e on consoles).
I totally agree.


I never figured out why people are masochistic enough to play anything without the beauty of widescreen, a large (32"+) screen and a hd signal. Oh wait... maybe its a personal preference?

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

ak3ldama (554026) | more than 6 years ago | (#19972991)

I never figured out why people are masochistic enough to play anything without the beauty of widescreen, a large (32"+) screen and a hd signal.
This is moot, since a widescreen tv is merely able to keep up with a good computer monitor. A top notch HDTV is 1920x1080, you can achieve similar (1920x1200) on a 24" computer screen for about $500. This is going to look very crisp for a great price. If you want to be sarcastic and just write PC gaming off then feel free to carry on, but what you brought up holds no bearing to the discussion. There are other benefits to console gaming, but having an a couple analog sticks is most definitely a detriment.

You were probably trying to insult me based on me having a Wii and not being able enjoy the beauty of a PS3 or an XBox360. Don't get me wrong, I will eventually go that route, but in the meantime the 360 is a reliability gamble, and the PS3 is too expensive without enough games. The sales figures indicate that my position as a customer is what many are experiencing. The Wii sold twice as many as the 360, and much more than the PS3. Hell, the PS2 outsells the PS3!

Oh wait... maybe its a personal preference?
Yes, personal preference is important.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

senatorpjt (709879) | more than 6 years ago | (#19974281)

24 32.

Then again, there are also people that have a 61" TV. Also, some people like sitting on a couch.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Colourspace (563895) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971573)

Why? Because I don't know any different. My PC's get used for work and apps only. Consoles are for games for me. Yeah I know PC's are always one step ahead of the latest console tech, but I could never be bothered with the upgrading. Console gaming is plug and play and thats how I personally like it and dual analog controllers are just fine as far as I'm concerned. Try playing any Katamari game with a mouse.

Re:I Heart PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19974273)

I like the lack of need for HDTV, but you go for a Gibson Explorer. Why not a Squier Tele' or Washburn strat? Hell, just buy Wii Guitar Hero and use their fake SG, save heaps of money. I wonder why someone who appreciates the quality of audio that the Gibson would produce also wouldn't appreciate the hi quality in the HD video.... unless you were in fact talking about getting a Wii Guitar Hero controller, then that just went over my head!

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969507)

1. I don't know if Fall of Man could have been done better on a PC but even if it could I doubt that it could have been done better on a $700 PC.
I don't own a PS3 and probably will not but If he likes it and likes the games that is good for him.
It is kind of like the people that bash the Wii because it isn't as powerful as the PS3. I like my Wii and I like the games.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 6 years ago | (#19969889)

With regards to your comments about the PS3 games:

1) I could give a flying fig about a hypothetical FPS on the PC. Fall of Man was an incredible story and it controlled well enough to not be maddening.

2) A graphical bump? You obviously have not played Virtua Fighter to any depth, which is fine. Its complicated fighting system isn't for anyone...

3) And, most importantly, both games are FUN and not available anywhere else right now.

4) Castlevania, I have never played it before and, for $10, seemed like a good buy. I stand by my purchase. It would have cost me over $20 to get a used PS1 and the game elsewhere so I consider it a savings since I already had the PS3...

As for where I listed my games, I said it was my personal list, and, since I agree with your comment about FPS and analog controllers for the most part, I put them accordingly on my personal list.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970205)

1. Granted, I'm probably biased towards the PC for FPSs simply because of the comparably horrible controls. I guess I'm spoiled.

2. I have nothing wrong about the gameplay mechanics, which are probably similar to previous iterations of the game and the new game doesn't add that much except graphics, some chars and online. Knowing enough about the VF mechanics, it uses frame perfect moves which online ruin the game.

3. I'm sure they are! But are they worth the current huge investment compared to older games? There are sooooooo many great games I have never played simply because there are so many, so why should I force feed myself new stuff when old ones rock?

4. And as a follow-up to my previous point, SotN is an excellent game! I'm glad for you that you picked it up. However it is already available on far cheaper machines than a PS3.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

ravyne (858869) | more than 6 years ago | (#19973093)

I really don't get this disdain for those who actually can play with dual analog. Its really just a matter of getting good using the controls, just like being able to make those twitch-shots with a mouse and keyboard on the PC. I hadn't played any Halo 2 on my 360 for the past month until last night. My younger sister was playing the team-training playlist, and a game of SWAT came up so she was getting thoroughly trounced -- for those unfamiliar, SWAT is a game of no shields, no radar, where head-shots are the only effective way of dispatching your opponents. In the course of the 5 remaining minutes of the game, I took over and killed 14 enemies and died 3 times myself. I wasn't firing wildly either, it was aim-pop-dead; all headshots. I do realize that there's some auto-aim applied in Halo 2, but it wasn't needed; there's even less in Halo 3. To each their own, but neither control method is inherently superior.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969277)

Wow, you are actually looking forward to Assassin's Creed? Everything I heard about the game says that it is not doing too well. Initially I thought, "Holy Crap!", because they had a good idea and concept, but the game itself seems to be lacking from what I have seen lately. Only time will tell, the developers may have pulled off the final hour polish that fixes a lot of issues...

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969389)

GTA IV....Mass Effect...Ace Combat...you did some to leave off some big ones

Re: No nessessarily... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971367)

GTA IV....Mass Effect...Ace Combat...you did some to leave off some big ones.

Not nessessarily, since this is his Personal list. For example, To date there is a single PS3 exclusive that interests me; "Lair". The others "MGS4, FFXIII, Home, etc..." just don't interest me. So he may simply be excluding the other biggies, since he won't be buying them anyway.

I am curious as to why he put Assassins Creed in the PS3 column rather than the 360 one though, Is there something exclusive to that version I just don't know about?

Re:I Heart PS3 (0)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969477)

You are either purposely stupid, or just didn't think before you posted... Fable 2, Bioshock, The next Ninja Gaiden (though who knows when that will be), Halo 3, GTA 4, Mass Effect, Overlord, Dark Sector, Darksiders, Criminal Origions: Bloodshot....don't forget the IPTV plans for Live.

The 360 is just getting started.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969563)

Gah, overlord was already released...my bad:-(

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970189)

Wow, I am now stupid. Stupid for posting my personal list of games I am interested in. Of the games you listed there, Halo 3 is on my list, Bioshock is listed under the PC, and the rest of the games I have no interest in. You see, I did that because it was my personal list and I have no affiliation with any one platform. I play games for fun.

On second thought, no, you are right. I am stupid for coming to slashdot and thinking I could have a civil discussion with folks and not be moderated as flamebait for being happy with my PS3 and the general state of gaming right now. I am stupid for not realizing how political gaming has become and that people don't have fun playing games but do have fun bashing others who don't agree with their views. I am stupid for hoping to see what other people would be interested in this fall since this has to be one of the best periods for gaming in a while. Stupid stupid me.

Thank you for opening my eyes about how petty a lot of people are. Seriously. I really do thank you for that!

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970267)

It just seems odd that you would be excited about certain titles coming out for the PS3 (of which there are indeed many to be excited about) and yet completely disregard some of the things coming out for the 360...I hate to say it, but it makes you sound like you WANT to dislike the 360...

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion, but try to see it from where I'm coming from

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970727)

I WANT to dislike the 360 because I can't get behind the titles you listed? Wow, that doesn't sound political at all. A bunch on your list don't even come out in the sixth month period I was describing (according to Gamestop). I LIKE my 360 and have played through Fight Night, PGR3, Kameo, Perfect Dark, and Gears of War. I guess I was too stupid to advertise that to begin with.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970993)

Like I said, it just seems odd that you would be behind so many games and yet of all the things coming out for the 360, Halo 3 is the only one you are excited about?

You are indeed entitled to your own opinion, it just seems odd to have an opinion in which you write off that many promising games.. Not ripping in you because you "can't get behind some games", it just seems to be doing a major disservice to yourself to write some of those titles off, especially since you want to seem to be an "accross the board" gamer

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 6 years ago | (#19972401)

I am sorry that you cannot seem to understand what I am saying. As I mentioned multiple times, I have listed of games that I am interested in this fall. I just cannot get excited about games that won't see the light of day until next year when there is so much good content coming out between now and December. And, I have tried. I went through the list on Gamestop again, and I just can't get motivated for GTA IV (on any platform) or Mass Effect (never was a fan of Bioware's RPGs). See, those are the only games on your list that I didn't comment on that are coming out this year. I am truly sorry that translates into "WANTS to dislike the 360" for you. Still, ignoring the fact I will be buying a 360 game (or possibly two, we'll see about Blue Dragon), the fact that I will be playing numerous games on the PC, PS3, and the Wii this fall does induct me into the "acorss the board" gamer club.

PS3 version vs other versions... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19973845)

I am sorry that you cannot seem to understand what I am saying. As I mentioned multiple times, I have listed of games that I am interested in this fall. I just cannot get excited about games that won't see the light of day until next year when there is so much good content coming out between now and December.

I am curious, you put Assassins Creed in the PS3 column rather than the 360 one. What gives the PS3 version an edge over it in your opinion? To my knowledge they should be the same game delivered the same day. Is there something exclusive to that version I just don't know about?

Just wondering. thanks.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971397)

I am stupid for coming to slashdot and thinking I could have a civil discussion with folks and not be moderated as flamebait for being happy with my PS3 and the general state of gaming right now.

Yeah, you really dropped the ball there.

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969623)

I share a similar view, I'm not interested in how well each company does in comparison to the other, I'm more interested in how well they cater to my interests.

There are so many titles in the near future that I'm interested in, there's just no way I'm going to be able to play them. After all the E3 news aggregated the info together my wallet was weeping. I've only got a Wii60 for now, and expecting to refresh my PC back to playability and probably a PS3 sometime next year after it releases enough games that I want.

So I'm hoping to play:

PS3:
Uncharted Territory
Folklore
Echochrome
Calling all cars

PC:
Valve's Orange Box
Crysis
Left 4 Dead

Wii:
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire

Xbox360:
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Bioshock(since I don't feel like waiting to get my PC to play it there instead)
Assasin's Creed
Lost Odyssey(Same studio as Blue Dragon, but targeting older audiences with its theme)
Eternal Sonata

So 2k on a PC, 600 on a PS3...and all these games at either 50 or 60 bucks apiece...

I had to sign up for Gamefly, it's just too much money to buy all these games. But the problem is that the subscription money I'm paying to Gamefly for all these rentals isn't going back to the developers. I will be buying a few of these games, but just the ones I expect to play repeatedly. I usually just finish a game and never go back. It's not a terrible problem right now, but I wonder if rentals will start to impact game industry growth. Perhaps additional payment structures can be arranged to fill the hole that caused Gamefly to come about?

Re:I Heart PS3 (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970133)

I'm not interested in how well each company does in comparison to the other, I'm more interested in how well they cater to my interests.

They're not independent. If any of the consoles does bad, game releases will suffer.

Re: DLC vs. Gamefly... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#19972709)

I had to sign up for Gamefly, it's just too much money to buy all these games. But the problem is that the subscription money I'm paying to Gamefly for all these rentals isn't going back to the developers. I will be buying a few of these games, but just the ones I expect to play repeatedly. I usually just finish a game and never go back. It's not a terrible problem right now, but I wonder if rentals will start to impact game industry growth. Perhaps additional payment structures can be arranged to fill the hole that caused Gamefly to come about?

That's where downloadable content comes in. You are less inclined to re-sell a game that has downloaded content that you bought and is not refundable. The Big DLC push is to try and combat used game sales, and constant renting.

Sales aren't even really up that much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19969001)

May NPDs only counted four weeks of sales. June, on the other hand, was a five week month for NPD. Of course these numbers should be a little higher than May: there was significantly more time for sales.

DS (1)

Taulin (569009) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969137)

Another 500k DS units sold?! Doesn't everyone have one yet, or are people buying two or three for themselves? Also, an increase in Wii sales simply means Nintendo has shipped 13% more stock now than before. That percent increase in Wii is directly proportional to the output of their factories at this time.

Re:DS (1)

damsa (840364) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969183)

Yeah people buy another one for themselves if they have the older DS, and not the DS lite.

Re:DS (1)

realthing02 (1084767) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969219)

WE might not have them, but i've realized every kid (and their mother) owns one of these things. i'd pick one up but i'm just not sure where i'd play it besides work...

i'll get one tonight.

Also, Assassin's Creed is also coming to the xbox 360, s, you know, that's another reason not to get a ps3 now.

Re:DS (1)

Von Helmet (727753) | more than 6 years ago | (#19974183)

Hey, quite a few of us dad's have them too!

I actually took my friend along to buy one yesterday and give some guidance on which games to pick up. He'd seen the new brain training game and played it for like 10 minutes and decided he had to own one.

Personally, I didn't even have to play it after I watched someone play the first brain training for 10 minutes before deciding I had to get one.

And no, for the trolls and fanboys... it's not all just brain training, but that's definitely one of the gateway drugs. After that it's Mario Kart, Tetris, Elite Beat Agents...

Re:DS (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969683)

Dude, Nintendo can't even keep them in stock in Japan still. Every time they get them in sufficient numbers they release a special edition. Right now theres a Pikachu Special Edition. I hate Pikachu, but I could give my left nut for a yellow DS. Only place I've even seen those sold in Japan are the Pokemon centers of all places (don't ask why I was there...please...) XD

PSP was also due to Lumines hack (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969293)

I got one with the thought that there was no downgrader in sight for the 3.51 firmware, which would most definitely be shipped on the new model. Mine came with 3.40, and I've upgraded it to 3.50 as part of the downgrade process, which is stalled until my friend who has a copy of Lumines remembers to bring it.

PROTIP: hay noobz you only need to use it once, no need to hog all the copies of Lumines out there!

I got mine at a Target store, but if you have an FYE in the area, you might want to check them out, because they have a $30 rebate going right now. (I didn't know until a week later because FYE is in the mall, and I don't go in there very often.)

Because maybe they actually like Lumines? (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970199)

I got one with the thought that there was no downgrader in sight for the 3.51 firmware, which would most definitely be shipped on the new model. Mine came with 3.40
Is there a way for an individual customer to get a retail store to let him check the firmware version on a PSP before buying it?

PROTIP: hay noobz you only need to use it once, no need to hog all the copies of Lumines out there!
Ever considered that maybe they end up liking Lumines and don't want to try the GBA version [pineight.com] in an emulator?

Re:Because maybe they actually like Lumines? (1)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971001)

Is there a way for an individual customer to get a retail store to let him check the firmware version on a PSP before buying it?
Yes [qj.net] .

AMAZING!! (0, Troll)

Qfour20 (181633) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969533)

...In related news, water reported to be wet. Film at 11.

-q

Well, yes. Yes it has. (1)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969647)

It's news that dropping the price of [item] leads to more people buying [item]?

The only people this is news to are people so rabidly anti-Sony that they've convinced themselves that no one wants the PS3. Which is demonstrably false, since people continue to buy the PS3.

This might be news if it meant that the PS3 was now outselling the 360, but it doesn't.

If anything, I'm a 360 fanboy - I love me my Gears, my Dead Rising, and my Forza 2 - but it comes as no surprise to me that people are buying the PS3 (other considerations aside, it's a damn fine piece of hardware), and that means it comes as no surprise to me that a price drop leads to an increase in sales.

You don't exactly need to be Milton Friedman to have seen this one coming.

Re:Well, yes. Yes it has. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19970357)

It's news to Sony, which is adamantly staying out of the lower price bracket once the 60GB sells out.

June was a 5 week period, May was a 4 week period (5, Insightful)

ShapeGSX (865697) | more than 7 years ago | (#19969681)

NPD counts sales on a per week basis, not monthly. But the tallies are reported monthly. With NPD, not all months are 4 weeks. If every month was 4 weeks, they would only end up counting 12 * 4 = 48 weeks in a year. There are 52 weeks in a year, so they need 4 months out of the year to be a 5 week period.

June is one of those 5 week periods.

If you take this into account, weekly PS3 sales were actually DOWN for June vs May, not up! This is the only valid way to measure sales for months that have a different number of weeks in them.

So in May, they sold 82,000/4 = 20500 PS3s per week.

In June, they sold 98,500/5 = 19,700 PS3s per week.

Sales didn't increase by 21% in June, they decreased by 4%!

Re:June was a 5 week period, May was a 4 week peri (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#19970177)

How does a month with 1 less day have 1 more week (+7 days)? It's fun and all to get into semantics, but you're just skewing numbers.

Re:June was a 5 week period, May was a 4 week peri (2, Insightful)

ShapeGSX (865697) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970525)

They aren't my semantics, they are NPD's semantics. Read this if you want to learn more: http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=421 [vgchartz.com]

Forget the whole "month" thing. The section of the year that NPD calls "June" was a 5 week tracking period for NPD. The section of the year NPD calls "May" was a 4 week tracking period for NPD. That is NPD's own method for dividing up the year into weeks.

If you sell 82,000 things in 4 weeks, but during the next 5 weeks, you sell 98,500 things, when were sales better? During the first 4 weeks? Or during the next 5 weeks?

I think I had that question on one of my 5th grade exams. If you answered that question using Sony's method, the teacher would mark it as incorrect.

Re:June was a 5 week period, May was a 4 week peri (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970741)

Because NPD has decreed that June has 5 weeks. Their "June" ran from the beginning of the first week in June for 5 weeks, 3rd June - 7th July, including an entire week (1st July - 7th July) that doesn't even have a single day in June.

Re:June was a 5 week period, May was a 4 week peri (1)

pjp6259 (142654) | more than 6 years ago | (#19973735)

So then the real story here is that Wii sales plummeted.
381800 Wiis (up 13%) in 5 weeks = 76360 sales/week
337876 in the previous 4 weeks = 84469 sales/week

A drop of almost 10%. Although still better than any one else, XBOX360 sales increased over the same time period. I wonder if this trend will continue.

In any case, maybe some of the people who haven't been able to get a Wii will finally have more luck.

Not just dumb, extra-dumb. (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#19970413)

NPD reported 5 weeks for June.

So, before the price cut, sales were down about 3.5%.

This is being reported as a 21% gain due to the price cut.

Don't know if this is the right place... (4, Insightful)

Discgolferusa (711112) | more than 6 years ago | (#19971987)

but here goes.

What is the facination with the Wii? Why is it doing so well? Price has something to do with it obviously, but after playing the Wii several times, I can't say I was that impressed with it. The lineup is fairly light, and it isn't long before the remote loses it's cool factor and frankly, in some games, can be down right annoying.

I found the whole experience fairly boring after just a couple of hours of total use. Yet, I know people who are obsessed with the thing.

So what am I missing about the Wii phenom? Is it primarily because it is easy for little kids to pickup? Or is it some party aspect that I've not had the priviledge of partaking in that has this console being some must have device?

Of course, I've not been terribly impressed with Nintendo consoles for years. I owned a 64 and think it was the biggest waste of money I've ever had. I currently own a DS almost strictly for FF and Puzzle Quest, and if I could get them in a different medium, I probably would (Puzzle Quest on a small screen is its own little version of torture, but the game is too damn fun not to play).

(For perspective I own a DS and a 360 currently for "consoles").

UK? (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 6 years ago | (#19973329)

So, the question is, when will the UK see a price cut in the PS3 of around 50%?

We pay £450 for the premium version, around $930!

Headline is incorrect...PS3 sales rate decreased! (1)

Rimbo (139781) | more than 6 years ago | (#19973543)

The June numbers include the first week of July.

So the week-per-week sales went down from 21,000 for the 4 weeks of May down to 20,000 for the 5 weeks of June + July.
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