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Tivo HD Released Into the Wild

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the so-beautiful-should-have-sent-a-poet dept.

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B.Gud writes "Tivo has launched the new 'Tivo HD' DVR, validating what was learned from retailer leaks last week. The new unit is available for orders and will ship in early August, but the good news is that Tivo is going to activate serial ATA later this year, and that TivoToGo support is coming as well. From the article: 'Suffice it to say that it's the machine we thought it was, loaded with dual tuners, support for two CableCARDs (or one MCard!), a 160GB drive (180 hours recording SD, 20 hours HD), and HDMI. It really makes the Series 3 look weak. Or put another way, it makes the Series 3 into the boutique device it really is.'"

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why buy when I can rent? (4, Interesting)

cavtroop (859432) | more than 7 years ago | (#19970957)

...or, I can rent an HD DVR from my cable company for the same price Tivo charges per month, with no huge outlay of cash in the beginning. Sure, the experience isn't quite as good, but its more than adequate. And if it dies, I get a replacement, no questions asked.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (1)

the.nourse.god (972290) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971053)

Which is why I think Tivo should forge more partnerships like the ones they have made in the past with DirecTV and now Comcast. The content providers will subsidize the hardware and Tivo will gain more profits from market segments they couldn't reach before. Most consumers will think along the same lines as the parent - "Why pay $600 up front and a monthly fee when I can get the same thing from the cable/satellite provider for just the monthly fee?" Tivo will always have its fans, but for me the added functionality a Tivo box would give me over DirecTV's new box doesn't justify the extra cost.

Good night, sweet prince. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971329) []

American actor and comedian Kel Mitchell was found dead on Tuesday in his home in Chicago, Illinois. It will be weeks until toxicology reports result are available, so a determination of suicide has not been concluded yet.

Most famous for his role in Kenan & Kel which ran from 1996 to 2000, totaling 61 episodes. He starred alongside his good friend Kenan Thompson. He began his acting career when he was 13, and at 17 became well-known as an original cast member on Nickelodeon's All That from 1995 to 1999, before he and co-star Kenan Thompson then starred in Kenan & Kel. Mitchell also starred in a 1997 major motion picture, titled Good Burger, which is the movie version of one of his and Thompson's sketches from All That, and is widely regarded as a cult classic. Kel Mitchell's character in Kenan & Kel made him famous for antics and persona. The duo also appeared together in Sister Sister. In 2006, Mitchell played a one-time spokesmodel for KFC, constantly using the phrase "____ a little". Kel Mitchell also made an appearance in the 2004 Kanye West music video 'all falls down' as the luggage collector at the beginning of the video. In 2007 Kel started appearing on BET's 'Take The Cake'.

Mitchell was apparently home alone when he took his own life, and was found on Tuesday by a maid.

Re:Good night, sweet prince. (0, Offtopic)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971403)

"American actor and comedian Kel Mitchell was found dead"

Never heard of him...

Re:Good night, sweet prince. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971469)

Way to show respect, jackass.

Re:Good night, sweet prince. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971461)



Re:Good night, sweet prince. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971505)

Those rumours were created a year ago, he is confirmed dead now. Did you even read the article?

Re:Good night, sweet prince. (-1, Offtopic)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971775)

Those rumours were created a year ago, he is confirmed dead now. Did you even read the article?
I didn't, because I've never heard of either, and I make it a point not to follow random links from off-topic postings. Who knows what browser exploits might be lurking there.

Re:Good night, sweet prince. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971801)

Google it then, faggot.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (2, Insightful)

link-error (143838) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971117)

    I pay TimeWarner $13/month to rent a HD-DVR box, and it sucks so bad I want to just shoot it. It doesn't record programs that it should, it is always locking up for MINUTES at a time, and the user interface is horrible to find shows, etc.

    For $300 fee plus up-front fee, with similar monthly costs is a no brainer for me.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971211)

I'm wondering if they'll offer to allow you to transfer your lifetime subscription over to this new HD Tivo? I'd not likely every buy another one of their products since they don't offer lifetime sub's any longer.

But, if they'd let me transfer over...I'd consider it!!

I wonder if you can get recorded content off this new tivo, and 'decode' it so you can burn it onto a dvd with no DRM?

Re:why buy when I can rent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971673)

doubtful. the lifetime subscriptions, at least a few years ago, were for the lifetime of the box--not the user.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971997)

They might . There have been several instances of "limited time" offers to transfer lifetime service. Last year there was one to transfer to the Series 3, and there's one right now [] to transfer to the Series 2 dual-tuner.

The TiVo HD is eligible for the multi-service discount, so I'll be all over this.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (1)

kevinl (38843) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972047)

Tivo has offered transfer deals in the past, but there isn't an option to transfer your lifetime service to Tivo HD right now.
They do offer a multi-service discount of $6.00/month off whichever monthly plan you choose. With the MSD, the monthly fee is only $6.95 for a 3 year commitment. That's a bit cheaper than the $299 prepaid 3-year plan.

I already placed my order...

Re:why buy when I can rent? (2, Informative)

oni (41625) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972381)

When the Series 3's came out last year there was a window - until January 07 I think - where you could transfer a lifetime service. That was the only reason I bought a series 3. I had a lifetime service on a Series 1 that died (I broke it by modding it)

They've added some neat features. You can subscribe to podcasts. They recently added what I think are video podcasts, but I'm not exactly sure. I watched some show by John Dvorak where he interviewed the Digg people. It can stream MP3s, so you don't need a seperate box for that. You can rent movies through for $1.99. Once you hit the play button it keeps them around for 24 hours then deletes them, but that's still more convenient than netflix.

I have a series 2 also and it can transfer shows over the network, so I can keep every episode of BSG and a bunch of movies and such. That's very cool, except for the fact that the transfer rate is slow. You have to wait an hour for enough of a 2 hour movie to transfer so that you can start watching. And anyway, they haven't turned that feature on for the series 3's, though the article above claims "it's coming." We'll see.

Overall I'm pretty happy with it. I'm not sure that I would buy one and pay subscription though. But if you can get the lifetime deal then go for it.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971161)

Your provider must not be Comcast. Their DVRs suck. How about pressing FF, seeing no change for 5 seconds, then get 10+ seconds of FF that you cannot break out of? You mash the buttons five or six (or ten. or twenty) times and nothing happens. Then, since they were dutifully queued, you may be rewarded with a series of rewinds, fast forwards, etc until the whole thing catches up, invariably leaving you anywhere but where you desired.

Count me as an eager Tivo customer once these new boxes become available.

History - that's why (3, Interesting)

MrEkted (764569) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971203)

Crucial to my DVR experience is filtering down the fat stream of 200 cable channels to what I want to see. It's not trivial to wade through all the repeats and shows that I've already viewed. The one thing a cable box DVR is never going to give you is a personal history - what you've already viewed and deleted, so you know that what's new on there is actually new.
That way, with a 20 hour HD DVR, you're not coming back from vacation to find that a marathon of "Planet Earth" has kicked off every other program on your box. With Tivo you get continuity of what you've viewed (i.e. Season Pass) that's at least recoverable if you must change hardware. Want to wade through 20 years of "Simpsons" to find that one episode you've never seen?
Even better is MythTV, which does all that, and skips commercials.

Re:History - that's why (1)

jotok (728554) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972903)

Even better is MythTV, which does all that, and skips commercials.

Oh, yeah. And my Myth box has a terabyte of storage dedicated to video new shows kicking off old ones is not something I worry about :)

But recording HD with myth can be problematic. For encrypted cable you still need the set-top box and then you can capture s-video, but the quality is degraded. HD QAM broadcasts are still great, however, and I find that 99% of the TV I bother to watch is network TV anyhow (Heroes, Gray's, etc.), and what I can't get via broadcast I can bittorent.

Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (4, Interesting)

kmahan (80459) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971273)

I've used TiVo for years. When I got an HD tv I got the comcast/motorola DVR (DCT3416). I've been through 3 boxes so far. The software in the box is horrible. It gets "busy" and doesn't respond to the remote for 30 seconds or more, but it is queuing up all the buttons to replay as soon as it isn't busy. If you fast forward/reverse there is a chance that it will get freeze. Playback sometimes doesn't include sound unless you change the channel and go back. Don't even get me started on how the box handles (crashes is a better word) EAS (emergency signals). I've accumulated a dozen or so software issues with the box that the company says "we know, but there is no scheduled fix date."

And my favorite is that after a couple of months the box will start "slowing down" more and more frequently. The fix is to replace the box -- so says Comcast.

So yes -- I will gladly be purchasing the TiVo HD box just so I can get rid of the piece of junk Comcast/Motorola calls a DVR.

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971499)

Weird tho...

On the Tivo site I saw this in their FAQ:

"Can I use any wireless network adapter on my TiVo HD box?

No, only the TiVo Wireless G Network Adapter allows a wireless connection to your home network. The TiVo Wireless G Network Adapter can be purchased separately at and most retailers."

Now...what in the world makes their Tivo branded netword adapter different than any other one? Is there now a special connection on the newer Tivo's...on my old series 2, I just plugged in a Linksys USB wireless....

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972057)

That's because some USB wireless adapters suck and don't support Linux and since it works in Windows people are going to blame TiVo instead of the faulty manufacturer.

Before they released the "official" TiVo wireless adapter, there was a compatibility guide for popular adapters... but it wasn't very helpful since often times you had to filter down to the exact revision number of it before it will work. The official one is a guaranteed thing.

(and looked cooler next to my box than anything else I hooked up on it. I bit the bullet and later got a compatible USB ethernet adapter instead, though.)

Wait, does that mean... (1)

lilomar (1072448) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972593)

...that I could get the TiVo card and use it on my Ubuntu laptop?

(I hate you broadcom.)

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972101)

Now...what in the world makes their Tivo branded netword adapter different than any other one?

No special connector [] , but perhaps a combination of a particular wireless chipset and maybe hacked firmware on the adapter. They're most likely doing it to ensure consistency and, of course, generate more revenue.

Don't worry though, it'll be hacked...

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (2, Interesting)

dreamt (14798) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972587)

Now...what in the world makes their Tivo branded netword adapter different than any other one? Is there now a special connection on the newer Tivo's...on my old series 2, I just plugged in a Linksys USB wireless....

Its always been a driver support issue. The vendors are constantly changing their chipsets, etc with a small hardware revision number change, not always apparent looking at the packaging. The whole reason why Tivo came out with their own branded adapter was to have one that doesn't change and is always compatible with Tivo.

The Tivo wireless adapter also has some additional processing capabilities which offloads processing from Tivo's low-power processor, which I believe is how they handle things like WPA, for example.

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (1)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972231)

Drop your cable company, get Dishnetwork and a VIP 622 or 722 HD DVR.

It's a heck of a lot cheaper than Cable+Tivo and it's actually better than even this new HD Tivo (Faster interface, more recording time, etc...). Plus, allowing for the recent release date of this Tivo box, it's also going to have a lot less bugs than this new box for a while yet.

Oh yeah, and you get many more HD channels than your local cable company is going to have. And you're going to get new HD channels faster as they come out. And external USB hard drive storage is slated for the middle of next month, not as a "replacement" drive, but as portable external storage of recordings that you can use in addition to the internal drive and also take around to your other HD receiver in the house.

And did I mention it will likely cost you way less than local cable+tivo? In terms of upfront and ongoing costs?

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (1)

edmicman (830206) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972859)

Just hope it doesn't rain!

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (1)

jdray (645332) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972961)

We've had DirecTV + TiVo for years and really love it. Our friends got DirecTV recently and got the new DirecTV-branded DVR. It sucks. Bad. We're keeping our TiVo-based unit until some better option comes along. Does the inclusion of CableCARD slots in this new TiVo HD unit mean that we can get DirecTV tuners for it? Of course, that would presume that DirecTV had a CableCARD product, right?

Re:Comcast/Motorola DVR is CR*P (2, Informative)

gatzke (2977) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972933)

The TimeWarner SA 8300 is a load of garbage as well. The interface is terrible and it hangs on occasion. It gets confused on HDMI output and blacks the screen when it flakes on HDCP connections. It gets a black screen and becomes nonresponsive a lot, especially when recording two HD channels.

Why can't they just license the tivo software?

Sadly, the TIVO won't do on demand or pay per view stuff.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (5, Funny)

the_tsi (19767) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971279)

Why have sex when you can masturbate? They have the same result, right?

Anyone who's used a brand-name TiVo for more than a few hours will be disgusted by all the DVRs from cable and satellite companies (and MythTV for that matter). TiVo has, for the most part, done DVR *right*.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971391)

It's more like, "Why have sex with your regular partner when you can pay for a prostitute?" Some people don't want to pay extra for a "pro."

Forgot to add the cost of the cable cards (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971417)

$5 rental per card * 2 = $10 extra a month on top of the tivo fees. Cable box i rent is $12 and it also gives me access to on demand premium channels allowing me instant access to all the shows(for that month) to premium channels i subscribe too.

Re:Forgot to add the cost of the cable cards (1)

glindsey (73730) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971609)

Sure, if you don't mind your box occasionally locking up, rebooting, and "forgetting" to record things. Comcast's DVR boxes, at least, have firmware that is so incredibly buggy, it makes Windows 3.11 seem rock solid by comparison. In fact, TiVo has written new firmware for one of Comcast's Motorola STBs, and from what I've heard it is currently in beta testing.

However, there are three big things TiVo needs to have operational on this box to really make it worthwhile: Multi-Room Viewing, Home Media Option, and TivoToGo. Well, okay, MRV and TTG for sure -- HMO is nice, but not really essential. On Demand content would be nice, but could be replaced by On Demand shows streaming off the net in time. TiVo is already partnered with Amazon Unbox, but man, it would be nice if Comcast dumped their crap DVRs, rented out S3Ls instead, and offered On Demand shows as downloadable content.

Re:Forgot to add the cost of the cable cards (1)

Arcady13 (656165) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972757)

I pay $1.50 per cable card where I live, costing me $3 for each TiVo. They charge me $13 to rent their crappy DVR. The TiVo costs me about $8 a month, so the difference is pretty much a wash. So the only real extra cost is buying the TiVo. It was a stretch for me to get my Series3, but with this new box I can afford to put one in the den and bedroom too.

Also, the new TiVo HD supports M-cards (multi stream) so you will only need one cablecard if your cable company supports them.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (1)

AaronBaker2000 (480581) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971427)

The difference between a Comcast DVR and TiVo is like the difference between Windows Moblie and the iPhone. One of them is impossible for normal human beings to use, while the other sets new standards for interface design.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (5, Insightful)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971457)

Tivo gives customers what customers want (with some compromises). Cable Co DVRs give customers what the Cable Co wants.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (3, Insightful)

isaac (2852) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972251)

If Tivo really gave customers what they wanted, they wouldn't be collecting and selling clickstreams, they wouldn't be pushing ads into the UI, they'd have a 30-second skip (without a hack) and auto commercial skipping.

They offer only a shinier UI. Functionality and privacy-wise, they're every bit as bad as the cablecos.

Re:why buy when I can rent? (1)

tji (74570) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972959)

That's up to the cable company. I don't know if this has happened yet, but last year Comcast and Tivo came to an agreement to provide STB for comcast customers.

I think the main issue comes down to the provider giving up a portion of the $$. DirecTV used to have Tivo boxes as an option, but they are phasing them out in favor of their own box, for which they can keep 100% of the revenue (and not require an additional monthly fee for their customers, such as Tivo requires).

Charter uses the Moxi DVR box, comcast previously (still?) used a crappy DVR from motorola.

And, you've always got MythTV.. roll your own.

I would LOVE to rent a TIVO (1)

queenb**ch (446380) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972031)

I wish I could rent a TIVO. The user interface on the TIVO far exceeds almost everything on the market. I don't know that I'd rent another company's DVR. I've used them at friend's houses and haven't been impressed.

2 cents,


180/20 = 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19970963)

180Hrs of SD or 20hrs of HD ? How come ? I thought HD only had twice as many pixels... ?

Re:180/20 = 9 (0, Flamebait)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971089)

Well, HD = 460? 720? 1080? i or p? (Btw, I have no idea what that stuff is, but I figure its to do with quality cos everyone says 1080i is bestest)

Re:180/20 = 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971141)

1080p is best, however most satelite/OTA (not sure about cable)HD programming is sent 1080i

Re:180/20 = 9 (4, Informative)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971165)

SD is roughly 480i. That's 640x480, 60 interlaced frames per second.

640 * 480 * 60 * 0.5 = 9,216,000 pixels/second

720p is 1280x720, 60 full frames per second

1280 * 720 * 60 = 55,296,000 pixels/second

1080i is 1920x1080, 60 interlaced frames per second.

1920 * 1080 * 60 * 0.5 = 62,208,000 pixels/second

720p delivers 6 times as many pixels per second and 1080i delivers almost 7 times as many pixels per second as SD.

720p delivers 3 times as many pixels per [full] frame as SD.

Re:180/20 = 9 (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971851)

720p delivers 6 times as many pixels per second and 1080i delivers almost 7 times as many pixels per second as SD.

720p delivers 3 times as many pixels per [full] frame as SD.
But of course, TiVo records compressed signals, be it the exact compressed digital stream it receives via ATSC or CableCard, or its own compression of analog SD channels.

Re:180/20 = 9 (5, Informative)

tx_derf (1060278) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971179)

Standard def is 480i = 640x480 pixels but only half every "pass". 640x480/2 = 153,600 pixels. Top of the line HD is 1080p = 1920x1080 pixels with all of them every pass. 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels. 2,073,600/153,600 = 13.5 times as many pixels. Factor in the compression and then add the overhead and 9:1 disk usage isn't all that unreasonable.

Hep My name is Milton and I have lost Paradise (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19970999)

Hep My name is Milton and I have lost Paradise Can you hep me find it

Re:Hep My name is Milton and I have lost Paradise (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971103)

Hep My name is Milton and I have lost Paradise Can you hep me find it

Go to Hell!

Or, use Linux, your choice.

Can TIVO be used for ripping and transcoding? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971071)

Ages ago when TiVO came out I heard that it has DRM built in and cannot be used for ripping and transcoding recorded shows. For this reason I have never used it. Instead I use eyetv which makes it easy to rip and transcode (probably because eyetv is a German company not an American one)

Why bother with TiVO, can it do more than eyetv?

for HDTV over the air EyeTV is better than TiVO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971411)

I used TiVO, then used the Linux alternative and finally switched to EyTV. For unencripted DHTV over the air, EyeTV is obviously the best, it is a polished commercial product which makes it easy to program, rip and transcode in many formats and codecs, for a decent price (about $80 - I also had to pay an extra $10 or 20 a Divx licence, but it was worth the money) Recently they extended the support for different cards and many of them are not manufactured under their name. Unfortunately eyetv is mac only software.

Here's the problem (5, Informative)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971079)

Virtually all the new services require the cable/phone company's box to get the full range of channels because everyone is using encrypted QAM ( so a standard QAM or ATSC tuner is useless for hi-def.

For example, the Verizon FIOS service has only the local channels unencrypted, so without the box, you can only receive a handful of channels.

It's my understanding the original spec cable card doesn't address the scrambled QAM channels ( CableCARDs), and the new MCard spec is only due this month. But they simply aren't available, and who knows if they'll actually work when released?

So that fancy new 100" Plasma that supports every standard possible? You still need the box.

Re:Here's the problem (1)

Albanach (527650) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971209)

Virtually all the new services require the cable/phone company's box to get the full range of channels because everyone is using encrypted QAM ( so a standard QAM or ATSC tuner is useless for hi-def.
Wouldn't that be it has CableCard slots - so the box can decrypt the encrypted cable signals?

All CableCARD does is decrypt (encrypted) QAM. (4, Informative)

capitaladot (1132409) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971371)

Read the Wiki [] article, where it is succinctly stated:

The physical CableCARD that is inserted into the host device is a PCMCIA type II card which handles decryption of video, and making sure that only people that have paid for the channel may view it. This is also known as "conditional access module" function.

Re:All CableCARD does is decrypt (encrypted) QAM. (1)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972127)

In theory, you are correct. However: []

The issue in a nutshell is the cable providers would prefer you to use their box, because Cablecard didn't support 2-way connectivity (not yet). And since the cablecards aren't that common, hardly any TV's (even high-end) have a cablecard slot.

It would have been simpler to go with DVB.

Certainly agreed. (1)

capitaladot (1132409) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972261)

CableCARD is a kludge, at best. CableLABS was allowed by its owners to poorly implement something, conveniently providing an excuse for the MSOs to complain to FCC et al about supposedly difficult to implement interoperability requirements. Yes, DVB would have been much better. Sadly, it isn't what has come to market, many thanks to Time Warner, Viacom and their ilk.

Re:Here's the problem (1)

Craig Davison (37723) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971525)

The feature lacking from CableCARD that is addressed by MCard is two-way communication. MCard should support PPV, VOD, etc.

Oops (3, Informative)

Craig Davison (37723) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971553)

Sorry, I'm an idiot. CableCARD 2.0 will be two-way. MCards are just CableCARDs that can decode multiple channels simultaneously, which is why you only need one with this Tivo.

Re:Here's the problem (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972211)

I can't mod you down since I posted, so I'll reply instead.

a standard QAM or ATSC tuner is useless for hi-def.

Not only are you wrong as pointed out below, but an ATSC tuner is far from useless. It will allow me to receive OTA channels, which look vastly superior to the compressed crap signal that the cable company sends.

Unfortunately, no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19972387)

Well, a standard QAM tuner is useless at this point. There's almost no programming in the clear to view. Go ahead... hook up a QAM tuner to Comcast or Verizon FIOS. You'll find about 8 QAM channels. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say it's "mostly useless".

ATSC is great, fantastic, *if you can actually get OTA hi-def channel*. And of course, ATSC doesn't help you with ESPN, HBO, and other cable channels.

The real problem... (1)

capitaladot (1132409) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972399)

... is the lack of digital rebroadcast of most channels in most markets. On Comcast in Indianapolis, for example, only premium channels (not just movie stations, but tiered offerings like MTVs >2, BBC America, extra History channels, et cetera) are carried over QAM. Basic cable is still simply analog, and is just tuned over analog by the converter boxes. The MSOs are being miserly with their spectrum, from what I've seen, and probably won't switch to all QAM until they're mandated to do so. I think they may have been thus-required, but the ruling in question escapes ready recall. Here's to hoping that "in the clear" QAM basic cable is coming soon to head-end near you.

Yeah... Right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971105)

Tivo is going to activate serial ATA later this year, and that TivoToGo support is coming as well.

Yeah right... Tivo has been feeding us Series 3 owners that line since the day they started shipping the unit.

Lifetime (2, Funny)

Rethcir (680121) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971107)

Someone's going to make the obligatory "transfer lifetime subscriptions" comment and annoy me.

Compelling... IF you can get CableCARDs (3, Informative)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971159)

I'd love love love to get one of these, I'd fork over cash right now but I'm unable to get CableCARDs so the device is useless to me.

I live in Phoenix where Cox is the dominant cable provider but like so many other condo/apt. complexes here in the area, I'm locked in to Qwest's TERRIBLE DSL-based TV service. This is presumably based by contract when the complex was built because they paid for "pre-wiring" to each room. As a result, I'm not able to get Cox. This is not a technical issue, Cox is in the complex next to me. Just some scheme thought up by someone that was greedy at Qwest some years ago.

I have DirecTV right now. It would be nice if they provided CableCARDs but nope, they love as much control over their own hardware as possible. I have the DirecTivo (Hughes HR-10) so I'm not too heartbroken but still, the situation sucks. If they'd just build a unit with component in's life would be a little better, no matter how grossly expensive it would be.

Re:Compelling... IF you can get CableCARDs (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971489)

I feel your trouble buddy I've got cox in the building next to me too.

Re:Compelling... IF you can get CableCARDs (1)

Danga (307709) | more than 7 years ago | (#19973267)

Have you ever tried Cox cable? The reason I ask is I recently moved to the Phoenix area from Chicago and I have Cox cable TV/internet/phone and the cable TV SUCKS. I have an HD tuner and the first shitty thing is the guide it has sucks and the searching capabilities are worthless and another extremely annoying thing is the HD channels will randomly drop for 5-15 minutes at a time for no reason (I notice about once or twice a week). I never thought I would miss Comcast cable but Cox surely made me miss Comcast. One thing I REALLY miss from Comcast was the OnDemand content. There even was a selection of free OnDemand movies which was really cool to have access to. My remote from Cox here has an OnDemand button but it doesn't do anything, why can't they get that feature setup too?

Anyway, I grew sick of Cox and wanted to switch to Qwest because they seemed to be less expensive and have better features and I am stuck in basically the opposite situation as you. My apartment complex is Cox only and Qwest either cannot or just will not give me service. Is Qwest really that bad? What other options are there besides satellite?

Copyright Cable versus Bootleg Pirate Bay? (5, Interesting)

dada21 (163177) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971261)

I use a high end MCE 2005 machine right now for our household, and it works fairly well. Unencrypted HD, 4 tuners total, household distribution (we have 2 boarders who rent from us and utilize their Xbox 360's as remote hubs). System is very stable, the wife can watch all her HGTV and TLC shows, I can download my aXXo first releases, and we're happy. The downside is no HD, because the CableCARD system just doesn't work well with PCs that aren't designed for it. Tried it, failed repeatedly. And I'm a techie.

This sounds to me like a great idea -- there's a ton of HD content over Comcast that I'd probably watch an hour or two a week of, more if I am sick or after a long stretch of work in the winter. I haven't found much HD content available over bittorrent sites, just a few RIPs. But I don't know if I really feel like paying for cable (and then a TIVO monthly bill) for what we get. From a legal perspective, I'd probably buy downloads (PPV online) if they were available and were high quality. But they're not available, so I resort to my own form of PPV. We generally buy movies we download, yet still keep the downloaded version on the PC to watch. I assume Tivos can't accept an XVid Video, so there is a downside.

This leaves a lot to be desired, but it's a step in the right direction. What I want in addition is:

1. Ability to download my own content, or RIP my own content.
2. Ability to remove commercials "real-time": we use a MCE plug-in that works well.
3. Ability to speed up shows without affecting speech tone (plug-in).
4. Remote access capability to a PC or a video game console (preferably both).

Tivo doesn't offer any of these, AFAIK. That's a big limiting factor. Someone needs to step up and provide these services, and their market will blossom.

Re:Copyright Cable versus Bootleg Pirate Bay? (1)

glindsey (73730) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971889)

Ability to speed up shows without affecting speech tone (plug-in).

I'm surprised you have to do this yourself. Most syndicated shows on television these days are sped up 110 to 120 percent by default. You can usually tell whenever music is playing, as the rhythm will be stilted and shaky (since the algorithm they use alters the speed dynamically based on the soundtrack, speeding things up the most during lulls in conversation).

Re:Copyright Cable versus Bootleg Pirate Bay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19972247)

"I haven't found much HD content available over bittorrent sites, just a few RIPs." []
20000+ results

Re:Copyright Cable versus Bootleg Pirate Bay? (1)

CrawlingEvil (750859) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972481)

Actually, with existing TiVos, both 1 and 4 are available. It's called TiVoToGo. For downloading content to your TiVo, you simply encode video to MPEG-2 and put it in the correct folder on your computer, as determined when you installed the TiVo Desktop software. Yeah, you've got to re-encode to MPEG-2, but with ffmpeg and a shell script, that's no big deal. There's numerous programs for the PC that'll also do the re-encode for you. In fact, TiVo Desktop software might just do it now, too, but since I use a Mac, I don't know for sure.

As for four, again with TiVoToGo functionality, you can download programs off the TiVo and onto your local hard drive. They are DRM protected, but can be played back on Macs or PCs. Actually, with software that'll strip the DRM, you can also play the programs back on Linux. Apparently TiVoToGo functionality is not yet supported on the HD units, but is suppose to arrive soon. I'm guessing extra work had to be done to protect the content streams, since the content providers are extra paranoid about HD content. There's also numerous programs that'll automatically download shows off your TiVo when they record, download them to your PC, and re-encode them for common portable media players like iPods, Zunes, PSPs, etc...

You'll probably never see two on a commercial box. Yes, you've added the functionality as a plug-in to MCE, but if that plug-in starts to become popular, you'll probably see it disappear. Other companies before TiVo have been taken to court and heavily sued because they provided a PVR that stripped commercials. So far, they've either won in court or driven court costs so high, the defendants folded. Either way, if either the MCE plug-in or Myth plug-in becomes popular and comes under the radar of the media providers, you'll probably see those features going away. TiVo, as the most visible of the PVR solutions, has had to play a very delicate game of providing features customers want balanced against the desires of the media providers, who can make their life hell if they become too threatened by the technology.

And as a final note, I'd like three, too.

Re:Copyright Cable versus Bootleg Pirate Bay? (1)

Fred Ferrigno (122319) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972635)

I had a standard definition Series 2 TiVo until I moved and got an HDTV. You can transfer movies to and from a PC. Shows coming off the TiVo are DRM-encumbered by default, but you can hack the unit itself to disable DRM entirely or run a program on your PC to scrape it from individual files. Videos transferred from your PC have to be converted to MPEG-2 at a specific resolution if you go through TiVoToGo. However, there's an application called tivoserver that will convert videos on the fly and serve them up through the TiVo's Multi-Room Viewing interface.

TiVo doesn't support removing commercials and likely never will for obvious reasons. Your other two feature requests seem like they have a rather limited appeal, frankly.

The big benefit of the TiVo has always been the interface. I lived with it for a few years and it does everything it's supposed to do very well. I've put off getting cable at my new address because the only HD DVR they offer is the crappy Motorola box. TiVo introducing this box right now is really my dream come true.

Storage vs Price aka TiVo the Software Company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971309)

I really wish TiVo would set up their boxes to accept a standard sized HD in addition to the HD they already use. I really want to buy one, but paying $600 for 160GB of storage is just not ok in my book. With hard drive prices the way they are right now, I dont get why TiVo doesnt offer better storage, at least as an option.

That said, I'd pay $600 for a TiVo PCIEx1 card and the software to run TiVo on my PC without breaking a sweat, and yes Id still pay the monthly fee. This way I control my storage options and as they get better I can take advantage of the hardware instead of being taken advantage of. Obviously that isnt going to happen, but if it did imo TiVo could rule the Tuner card market!

Re:Storage vs Price aka TiVo the Software Company (2, Informative)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972063)

There's already a backdoor to enable the external Serial ATA (eSATA) on the current Series3 model. People have hooked up a single 750 GB eSATA drive to the existing 250 GB internal SATA drive for a 1 TB TiVo (in metric units).

I'm thinking about getting an eSATA RAID enclosure for this, but I don't know if there's an upper capacity limit. (Others have hooked up such a RAID enclosure as a replacement for the internal drive.)

slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19971533)

anyone find a cache?

But it's not interesting enough. (0)

Medievalist (16032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971667)

Sorry, buying a Tivo is not as much fun as building a MythTV box from scratch.

Not as frustrating, either, I suppose, but these things often go hand in hand.

Re:But it's not interesting enough. (1)

vfrex (866606) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971883)

Frustrating is an understatement. I can't even change get myth to change channels!

I feel your pain! (1)

Medievalist (16032) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972695)

Frustrating is an understatement. I can't even get myth to change channels!
My 10-year-old showed me how to do that from the keyboard, and since then I haven't bothered with the remote... I like to switch back and forth between the web and TV so I have a keyboard on my lap anyway.

Re:I feel your pain! (1)

vfrex (866606) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972839)

Oh I can make it think its changing channels with keyboard or remote. But it never actually goes to a new frequency.

Re:But it's not interesting enough. (1)

sjf (3790) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971967)

I agree, but I'm not sure my wife and kids would.

Also, while it pales in comparison with some Apple products for instance, TiVo's UI is excellent compared to most other set top devices. The peanut remote is sheer class.
(I came back to TiVo after two years overseas, and was very happy to find that all the button's were still encoded in my muscle memory.) Ease of use and reliability are definitely worth paying for.

Just doesn't make sense (5, Interesting)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971703)

I had Series 2 TiVo for about a year and a half. It was OK. I've always questioned the value of the "service" though. What are you getting for 12.95 a month? TiVo is basically TV guide on crack. The fact that I could store my shows on my computer was of almost no value to as the TiVo 802.11 "g" adapter can actually only transmit @ 10 Mb/s because that is the maximum speed of the TiVo. It takes almost as much time to transfer as it does to watch the show. The "intelligent" recording is rarely that. Frequently TiVo fills its drive with a bunch of stuff that is largely uninteresting - that then needs to be deleted. Great more work to make room for shows I *do* want to watch. Of course there is the auto delete feature but it doesn't make room if you want to record something. A real blow to any sort of justification for a "service" fee was the introduction of the "promotion" on the TiVo primary page. The little star has "information" that I might want about say taking an RV trip across America. Ah, no? Then TiVo would add buttons from time to time to some of the user screens advertising things such as the virtues of the Sony Bravia HD TV's. Great, TiVo I'm glad that you have a shiny new marketing platform - but now I want my service fee back! Sometime during the time that I acquired my TiVo and the time that I left, they started the "you get the box with the service fee" deal. It is a bit of a better deal but not that much better. Also, TiVo support is absolutely the worst thing in the world. Navigating around on their site just gives the impression that they want their users and people trolling forums to answer all their customer questions for them.

So I get an HD set, and I'm a cable guy so I'm looking around at what my options are. TiVo wants me to spend 800 bucks on their (then current) HD recorder. Riiiight, not so much. I talk to my provider and here is what they will give me:

HD DVR - 1080i(p?) recording. 160 GB drive. Two tuner record and watch capability. Show listings. No advertisements in the UI. And it comes with HDMI Out and Optical audio out of the box. All for the fabulous low price of 5.95/mo with no money down. As an added bonus, it requires only three cables to hookup to a good HD TV - HDMI, Power Cord and Coax feed from the cable company.

I fail to see how TiVo can possibly remain relevant in the face of this overwhelming opposition. In my mind there is no way that that $300 and a monthly service fee can compete with the Cable guys option. As a personal point of irritation, paying for a service (apart from TV, which is a whole separate conversation) and then being advertised to is simply unacceptable.

My thought for TiVo when I made the switch is that TiVo needs to exit the hardware business ASAP and start licensing their technologies to the cable companies. I imagine a model similar to Direct TV would be good. The cable boxes that I've gotten from RCN and Comcast both could use some UI improvements (RCN is def. not as good as Comcast).

Either that or sell me a box and don't ask me for any more cash.

Additional data brings sense... (3, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971875)

All for the fabulous low price of 5.95/mo with no money down.

Maybe I can help shed some light on this for you. $5.95 isn't what every cable company charges. Where I live, Comcast charges $14.95 for the DVR and Verizon charges $12.99. Additionally, Verizon only charges a one-time $3 fee for cable cards. So for a small initial cash outlay I can get a better user interface, higher reliability, fewer restrictions, more features (can your cable box play media files off your PC?) and upgradeability. If Comcast or Verizon charged $5.95/month for an HD DVR it would be a harder decision.

Re:Additional data brings sense... (1)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972515)

"Small initial cash outlay"

So $300.00 is small? It's 1/2 the price of an ok second TV. Or 25/mo. added to your existing cable bill. On top of that it's 16.95 a month - still two dollars more, and for what? software updates and tv listings? What is TiVO *really* giving you for 16.95/mo. that didn't already come with the box you bought?

I also have no idea how much the dual cable cards are going to cost from a cable company - but it's probably not super cheap (FiOS is available in very limited areas) Can you get two of them? You will need two to record two channels.

All in for a 1 year contract: $41.95/month.

That's roughly the price of a Direct TV subscription. o.O

Re:Additional data brings sense... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#19973023)

Yes, $300 is small. At least it is from my perspective. I say that in the context of all the additional features I listed. That is less money than the TV, less than the receiver, less than the speakers, less than two of the video game systems.... In context it is not a very expensive device.

I only pay $12.95/month for my Tivo service. That price is available to everybody if you're willing to commit to multiple years of service. If you're going to spend a few hundred dollars on the box, chances are you're going to use it for more than a year, so that's a no-brainer. It's also similar to the commitment you'd make signing up for satellite service. You can get the price down to $8.31/month if you're willing to pre-pay. You get additional discounts with multiple tivos. Neither Comcast nor Verizon offer discounts if you get multiple DVRs from them, in fact Verizon bumps the price up to $19.95/month/DVR if you get more than one and want them to work together. I do have two cable cards, and there is no monthly fee for them from Verizon. From Comcast, the first one was free and the second cost $2.95/month...

I don't know where you're getting $41.95/month... Are you dividing the cost of the box out over a single year? My first Tivo lasted me 7 years. Why should I expect my current Tivo to only last one in a price comparison. Shall I figure in the cost of my TV across a single year too? It cost *way* more than the Tivo.

Anyway, in summary: With Verizon, Tivo costs slightly more if you only have a single DVR, but you get much higher quality and more features. With Comcast, you actually save money with a Tivo over Comcast's default DVR (though it will take years to recover the initial investment), and you still get the higher quality and more features.

Versus the mythical (or perhaps not in your area) $5.95/month DVR, sure, you should probably go with the cable co's DVR. I actually agreed with you on that. So what was your motivation for pushing this argument further?

Re:Just doesn't make sense (0, Flamebait)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971879)

You're cranky because you're paying for something and they have a few unobtrusive adverts? Seems like nitpicking. The problem with the non-Tivo units is the interface sucks. I've got an HR-10 and I've long considered moving back to cable (less hassle than DirecTV), but the standard cable DVRs you get are complete shit compared to the Tivo.

You pay for quality, that's the way it's always been.

Re:Just doesn't make sense (1)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972299)

It's the principal of it. More importantly though - who's to say that it won't become more intrusive in the future. You have no say - and TiVo certainly doesn't want you giving them suggestions.

The thing is - Tivo at the time of switch couldn't even offer me a reasonable solution so it's more or less a moot point.

Re:Just doesn't make sense (1)

josteos (455905) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972447)

Every person I know who has a generic cable-company-provided DVR says it sucks balls. They tell me it freezes, its slow, it crashes, it loses shows, it fails to record.... every damn one of them has reported this. They brag about how they saved a whole $7 off my monthly fee while asking me to burn a copy of the latest BSG because their DVR barfed. Good for them!

Re:Just doesn't make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19972669)

They're saving far more than $7/month because they didn't spend several hundred buying the DVR!

Re:Just doesn't make sense (1)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972705)

Well, I'll be honest - the "reception" is a bit spotty both with Comcast and RCN. Seems like there are artifacts in the playback often. I have no idea if that is the DVR or the network delivery - probably both A and B. The DVR records shows when I ask it to. Only once have I had an issue with a show not being recorded in its entirety. Apart from that it has been fine.

As for interface speed - the TiVo series 2 was probably a scosh slower than my current dvr. The channel changing is def. faster.

Funny you mention BSG - I had a series recording for BSD this past year on TiVo. The time was moved from Firday night to Sunday. TiVo botched the change and I didn't get my epiosde.

Generally speaking I already think TV costs too much - somewhere along the line we forgot that the Advertisements were used to support the broadcast of the shows and got suckered into paying for the broadcast and being shown ads.

Re:Just doesn't make sense (3, Informative)

therealalcaron (1130373) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972775)

I can't remember the last time I owned a Tivo that didn't automatically push it's "recommendations" off the drive automatically to make room for things you have scheduled. Not only that but since I've had my Series 3 I have consistently found new and worthwhile episodes of tv shows and movies recorded by tivo on its own based on what I watched. Matter of fact, in the last, oh, 4 years? I haven't been without TV for very long at all, and in those four years I've NEVER seen it fail to record something because it was out of space that was occupied by "recommendations", and in the same period of time I have very seldom gone into the recommendations (now handily in their own folder on the S3, thats nice!) and found nothing of interest. I was watching the hell out of Man vs. Wild a couple months ago, then I stopped because I got busy, I had never put it in to record for some reason but lo and behold I go back to my tivo and in the recommendations are a bunch of episodes I hadn't seen! How handy! Better still, Survivorman, hadn't watched that in awhile, but based on me watching man vs. wild, guess what was in my recommendations folder? All of this on a day when I expected to have to hunt for something to watch because it was summer and all the shows I watch are off for handy. ProTip: use the Thumbsup and ThumbsDown buttons...seriously. I've used them like, 4 times, and it's recording nothing but greatness!

Re:Just doesn't make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19973027)

I agree that TiVo needs to start offering service above and beyond what they offer now in order to remain relevant. I think they need to get into the business of augmenting the TV watching experience with extra content and interactivity features. To give a couple of examples:

Imagine you're watching a movie and you see an actor who you recognize but whose name you can't remember. Instead of having it bug you for the rest of the movie until you can get to IMDB to look it up (or, worse yet, pausing the movie to look it up on IMDB), TiVo could offer integration with IMDB that would you to view information about the actors using your remote.

Imagine you're in a fantasy baseball/football/basketball league and you're watching a game on TV. TiVo could integrate with one or more fantasy sports providers to allow you to enter your league information into your TiVo. TiVo could then give you live updates on the scores in your league as you're watching the game.

And there's a ton of other ways that TiVo could act as the computer in the TV watching room that would replace the laptop that so many people keep with them while they're watching TV.

That and TiVo needs to integrate with Cable/Satellite providers to allow users to use TiVo without using the set-top box from the provider. Whether that means licensing their technology to the providers or fighting for legislation that forces those providers to inter-operate, this needs to happen for TiVo to remain an actual option for consumers.

Good timing (maybe) (2, Interesting)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19971951)

For various reasons I won't go into here, I still haven't jumped on the HD Bandwagon yet. All my TV's in my house are SD. As luck would have it, the 80GB single tuner Series2 downstairs is starting to die - the hard drive occasionally makes clicking noises, and the screen freezes when this happens. So if that thing bites the dust, I figure I can pick up one of these guys.

Which then raises the question - am I right in thinking that it will work with my current all-SD setup? I figure within the next year I'll be diving into HDTV so it will be nice to have the HD TiVo in place, but will it really work?

Re:Good timing (maybe) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19972309)

Just replace the hard drive and keep going. There are places to get the drive image for your model. I got a SVR-2000 (Series 1) that has had two drives die. Lifetime subscription? still going strong baby. I love my TiVo.

Re:Good timing (maybe) (1)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972559)

Just replace the hard drive, it's REALLY quite an easy process. Check out InstantCake, which enables people who aren't command-line wizards to easily replace TiVo hard drives. Costs $20. .cfm []

Re:Good timing (maybe) (1)

crumley (12964) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972643)

If it is outside of warranty, just replace the hard drive yourself. Or call up TiVo, they will probably swap out your dying one for a refurbed SD TiVo fro cheap. Of course if you really are going to go HD, then it might make sense to switch, but prices will probably drop even more by then.

Monthly Fee (2, Informative)

s31523 (926314) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972053)

When I bought the TiVo series 3 I thought I would just use it as a VCR, and not get the monthly subscription. Nope, the unit disables all DVR features unless it is activated. I imagine the new one will do the same... If TiVo gets rid of the subscription and/or lowers it significantly they might be able to hang on. I am using TiVo for now, but after the year is up I am selling the darn thing and getting away from them.

'VCR' with a harddrive? (1)

honestmonkey (819408) | more than 7 years ago | (#19973225)

So maybe someone knows: Is there a box that does this? That is, a "VCR" with a hard drive instead of tape? That's all I really want. No monthly anything, I just don't watch that much TV. I just want to say "start recording for an hour at 8pm on Monday". It would be nice if it were HD, and maybe have two tuners (I have basic cable and an antenna for local HD channels).

I don't want to build a MythTV box, or buy a Windows solution or really even have another computer. My solution now is to download stuff off of Bittorrent and burn it to a RW DVD. However, the quality is hit or miss, and the sound doesn't always sync up (and Virtual Dub can't always fix this). And I'm probably breaking some sort of law.

How much did they pay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19972439)

How much did they pay you for slashvertizing this piece of GPL3-inspiring merchandise?

series 3 weak??? why? (1)

HelloKitty (71619) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972609)

from the article:

>> It really makes the Series 3 look weak.
>> Or put another way, it makes the Series 3 into the boutique device it really is.

WTF are they talking about? it's got 90GB less hard drive space, no glo remote, no THX, and no OLED.
What about this $300 unit is better than the $700 series 3? they don't even qualify this?

is it the SATA? whee... who cares. you can hack the series 3 anyway.
Maybe it's the price. $300 certainly is better...

Re:series 3 weak??? why? (1)

Arcady13 (656165) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972863)

The only thing better about this box is the price. Everything else is lacking in some way. But not enough that it will keep me from buying one of these for my house. I already have a Series3, which I upgraded to 500gb. I also want an HD box in my Den, and I don't need a glo remote or THX or the OLED for that room. This new box is perfect for my second HD TiVo. The only thing I'll do is upgrade the drive to a decent size. I can just re-use the 250gb I pulled out of the Series3...

MythTV Question? (1)

TeamSPAM (166583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19972907)

Does or will MythTV work with hardware that supports CableCard? I've never found a really good answer for this or the answer is in the negative. Leaning me towards buying one of the new TiVo HD boxes.

Re:MythTV Question? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#19973155)

Does or will MythTV work with hardware that supports CableCard?

The concise answer is to this question is a simple "No." But I'm sure if you go onto a MythTV message board and ask that question, you'll get a dozen responses from programmers who came up with really complicated, illegal hacks to do it. They will then call you a baby killer and say terrible things about your mother for daring to insinuate that there is anything their beloved MythTV can't do.

Sigh... DirecTV (3, Interesting)

Stele (9443) | more than 7 years ago | (#19973097)

Now if I could just hook this thing up to my 5 LNB DirecTV....

Those if you with the non-Tivo DirecTV DVR will understand.
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