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iPhone Can Now Run Apache, Python, Vim

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the not-enough-memory-for-emacs dept.

Programming 312

An anonymous reader writes "After the first Hello World application, hacker NerveGas and the people at #iphone-shell have built Apache, Python and other Open Source apps for the iPhone using NightWatch's toolchain. Yes, your iPhone can now be a Web Server and do all sort of 1337 things. This also means that third-party applications for iPhone will happen no matter what. People, iPhone Doom could be just around the corner." It's fairly thin on information but if true, this will lead to good things. Like hopefully permission from apple.

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Disappointing (5, Funny)

niceone (992278) | more than 7 years ago | (#19981983)

Really disappointing, why couldn't we have had a link to the story on a server running on an iPhone? Then maybe a video of it catching fire.

Re:Disappointing (3, Funny)

vivaoporto (1064484) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982117)

Actually, we could mimic the success of Will it blend [willitblend.com] and create its counterpart, Will it melt (tm), displaying different pieces of machinery running a webserver while being slashdotted. Guaranteed laughter for all family!

Re:Disappointing (1, Informative)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982177)

Then maybe a video of it catching fire.
All they've got at their disposal are a bunch of iPhones so video is out of the question and a macro mode is non-existent so all you get is blurry close-ups of some kind of yellow-redish color blur. It's a phone, it's a revolutionary communications device, it's a music player... it's not much of a camera.

Re:Disappointing (1, Offtopic)

Marcion (876801) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982183)

Disappointing because now you have turned an iPhone into a 2G version of the Nokia S60, why not just buy a 3G smartphone to start with and save all the trouble?

I personally am waiting for the OpenMoko Neo1973, comes with Python and these other things by default or a just few taps away through its package manager.

thanks for the source (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19981999)

now i'm going to code all kinds of close source things for my iphone to run. mwuahahahaha

Another iPhone story? LICK MY BALLS SLASHDOT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982385)

This is not news. This is some little nerd getting a woody for the first time in his life because his gay little trendy hardware that does nothing special can run putty.

How about Applescript or Fscript? (3, Interesting)

argent (18001) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982017)

Something that's got good Cocoa bindings, anyway, so you can write native apps in them...

Re:How about Applescript or Fscript? (3, Insightful)

wicks0r (982807) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982667)

How about SSH? [natetrue.com]

Might be time to bite the $600 bullet.

And on the seventh day... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982019)

"This also means that third-party applications for iPhone will happen no matter what."

Maybe, or it could mean that geeks aren't the target audience and only sanctioned apps will appear and be used by the iPhone masses.

my thoughts (3, Insightful)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982023)

I think the demand for a SDK caught apple by surprise (possibly because the iPod didn't have many people hollering for a SDK, and since it's easy to see the iPhone as an iPod + phone functionality I can see how this was given a low priority.)

I do however believe that apple will now release a SDK for the iPhone (apple pretty much do anything the consumers want these days, even managed some drm music, something i thought would never come while the RIAA existed.)

I also believe apple stated ajax/web apps as the SDK because they didn't want to give people any reason to think the iPhone was incomplete (and hence to put off the purchase.)

Re:my thoughts (2, Interesting)

peragrin (659227) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982285)

Actually given that Apple pulled a MSFT and made everything on the iPhone run as root I doubt this at least in the short term. It shouldn't be hard to correct the situation though in an update. Since it is running a mini OS X it already has multi user support.

Re:my thoughts (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982319)

I think the demand for a SDK caught apple by surprise (possibly because the iPod didn't have many people hollering for a SDK, and since it's easy to see the iPhone as an iPod + phone functionality I can see how this was given a low priority.)

There is plenty of demand for an iPod SDK, and has been since day 1:

http://www.alteringtime.com/log/archives/96 [alteringtime.com]
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/09/21/macgamesip od/index.php [macworld.com]
http://www.ipodhacks.com/modules.php?op=modload&na me=Forum&file=viewtopic&forum=2&topic=1806 [ipodhacks.com]
http://lists.apple.com/archives/studentdev/2001/Oc t/msg00437.html [apple.com]
...and so on.

Apple has their reasons for not releasing an iPhone SDK, same as they have their reasons for not releasing an iPod SDK. I assure you that not knowing the demand has nothing to do with it.

Re:my thoughts (3, Insightful)

toleraen (831634) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982351)

How could they be caught off guard? 90%+ of the operating systems in the smartphone/pda phone market have SDKs. They obviously did a little poking around in the market before deciding to make the thing...and if it really is based on OSX, it shouldn't have been terribly difficult to provide one.

Re:my thoughts (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982661)

How could they be caught off guard? 90%+ of the operating systems in the smartphone/pda phone market have SDKs. They obviously did a little poking around in the market before deciding to make the thing...and if it really is based on OSX, it shouldn't have been terribly difficult to provide one.

As you say I doubt very much they were caught off guard. Other phone do have SDKs and such, but some of them also suffer from reduced stability because of them. I can't say whether Apple will ever release an SDK, but if they do they need to ensure that "foreign code" won't affect the system's stability and they also need to ensure that third parties don't break the human interface guidelines. Heck, I would just be happy for J2ME support.

Re:my thoughts (-1, Flamebait)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982563)

"I think the demand for a SDK caught apple by surprise"

err total bullshit. jobs went on the record stating they didn't add 3rd party functionality because phone companies don't want you to.

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/12/ 0430200&from=rss [slashdot.org]

enough with the stupid apple love ok? there's plenty of better smart phones out there for a lot fucking less.

Re:my thoughts (2, Insightful)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982571)

IIRC, Apple didn't release a SDK because AT&T is afraid of some buggy app crashing their network.

Which is stupid. Did they REALLY think the iPhone wouldn't be hacked? Now they have no control over it.

Re:my thoughts (2, Insightful)

dk90406 (797452) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982657)

I am in two minds about this. I naturally would like the iPhone open and allow user developed content, but unfortunately Apple has not developed it as such. AFAIK all software on the platform runs as root; so I foresee a vast amount of abusive software/malware being developed. Imagine software calling 1-900 numbers from your phone without your knowing.

First Application . . (5, Insightful)

donaggie03 (769758) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982029)

Instant Messaging!

Re:First Application . . (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982401)

http://www.meebo.com/ [meebo.com] - Meebo works with my iPhone. Supports AIM, Yahoo, GTalk, MSN.

Re:First Application . . (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982559)

No, first application should be a VoIP application that can work over EDGE and WiFi and seamlessly switch between the 2 (i.e. not dropping the VoIP call if the iPhone switches from EDGE to WiFi or vice versa)

Re:First Application . . (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982679)

watch as VOIP comes to the iphone, and at&t panic and attempt to protect those juicy profits by dropping all that free data on your 3 year contract and legal hijinix ensues

Question (3, Funny)

weaponx86 (1112757) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982035)

Will it blend...a web server / development platform / gaming system? Yes.

s/permission/official blessing/ (3, Insightful)

ajlitt (19055) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982043)

Since when do we ask permission to bend our gadgets to our will?

Re:s/permission/official blessing/ (5, Insightful)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982067)

When we still want to be able to use the warranty.

Re:s/permission/official blessing/ (3, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982277)

Fools ask for warranty work when the phone is modded. Simply reinstall the OS and play stupid. works great, they have no idea, and you get that critical flaw that everyone discovers in two weeks fixed for free.

Did it with many electronic items in the past. reload stock firmware and play stupid. works great, get replacement reload custom setup/firmware/unlock/etc and life is good again.

I though all geeks knew that simple tidbit.

Re:s/permission/official blessing/ (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982337)

Has a company legally been able to void warranty for installing unauthorized software? I can understand it only if the software caused physical damage or had to be serviced because of what the unauthorized software did.

Re:s/permission/official blessing/ (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982699)

I thought Dell did this when you installed Linux on one of their computers. It voided the warranty.
Think there was a Slashdot article about it too.

Re:s/permission/official blessing/ (1)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982087)

I get you, and agree with you, but the answer is: When we want an efficient SDK that makes it easy to use all sorts of neat features.

Re:s/permission/official blessing/ (1)

iphayd (170761) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982111)

We don't, but it would be nice to hear Apple give permission anyway, as it would remove the fear of Apple breaking these apps in the future.

s/permission/official blessing/E=mc^2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982249)

When trying to violate the laws of physics.

since the late 70s (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982409)

Since when do we ask permission to bend our gadgets to our will?


Since people have tried to sell you non free software. You might remember something about BSD, modems and the phone company. The phone company has not changed much.


Re:s/permission/official blessing/ (1)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982411)

"Since when do we ask permission to bend our gadgets to our will?"

You don't need to.

But if you, you get your hands on all kinds of advanced, documented APIs that give you fancy graphics, direct access to functions that send data over the net, etc. In other words, you end up with a fancy iPhone that does fancier things in a pretty way. Instead of a fancy iPhone with a terminal that scares the crap out of your non-gadgety friends.

"How did you break your iPhone?"

"It runs Python now."

"What's Python? What happened to text messaging?"

"That button doesn't work. No matter. I never got many text messages. I don't care. I have Python."

*pause* "So when are you going to the Apple Store to fix it?"

iPhone as a server (1)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982047)

It's one of those common things which don't really make any sense, but one of those rare ones which don't make any sense AND I'd really like to try them.
Anyway, it's be interesting to see how it's handle the /. effect - maybe not a real website, but just a simple black page with a few words and a small photo.

Re:iPhone as a server (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982187)

The fact that its Apache makes even less sense. Low footprint servers like thhtpd or lighttpd are the usual choices for this type of hardware platform.

Re:iPhone as a server (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982521)

Well, I'm not so sure. I've built a lot of webservers, I'm familiar and comfortable with apache. Sure I can buy a RJ-45 jack sized webserver that runs thhtpd or whatever, it's just no t that impressive to use that webserver as a proof of concept. But, by using Apache, you not only get the added functionality that that brings, but you also demonstrate that this isn't a crippled webserver implementation, it's a full fledged Unix box that arbitrary app (n) will run on.

Re:iPhone as a server (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982631)

Remember though, that the iPhone has 128MB of RAM, with no swap. It has more in common with your server in an RJ45 connector than the servers you are used to installing Apache on.

Re:iPhone as a server (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982673)

Remember though, that the iPhone has 128MB of RAM, with no swap.

No swap? Do you have somewhere I can read about that specifically? Seems like it'd be harder to de-implement that, than to leave it in. But anyway - point is, there's some really smart folks digging into this thing, and it's quite enjoyable to watch what they come up with. Am I likely to actually run one of my websites off of an iPhone? Of course not. But, from a geek factor - if I can get apache running on it (which I apparently can), and then use one of the javascript-based wikis, I could have a wiki running on my iPhone and yes, that would be quite useful. Not so much for others, but for my own stuff.

Re:iPhone as a server (2, Interesting)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982239)

But it has a 600MHz CPU and 128M DDR SRAM, 10 years ago, we ran servers on much worse hardwares.

Re:iPhone as a server (1)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982463)

But to be fair, ten years ago web servers had smaller foot prints.

Re:iPhone as a server (1)

Azarael (896715) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982485)

Certainly true, but those systems were probably just web servers. The iPhone has a bunch of other processes running that likely require a lot of those resources.

Re:iPhone as a server (4, Interesting)

*weasel (174362) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982443)

Put the wifi in a peering mode and suddenly it makes a lot more sense.

Simple mobile myspace-type sites would be pretty huge for a mososo.
Particularly if it's integrated with file/stream sharing and a decent discovery app.

Natural Server. See it like any other computer. (-1, Troll)

twitter (104583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982533)

There are lots of reasons to run "server" software and the difference between "servers" and "desktops" is one that M$ made up. An iPhone could be a portable wifi hotspot. http "servers" in embedded devices are typical control interfaces. If iPhone runs X, you should be able to forward applications to your laptop so that you can use your keyboard and screen. The list goes on and on, as it does for any general purpose computing device.

These things should and will be common. The only thing iPhone has over the Neo1973 is non free video codecs and other non free goodies. The laws that make that happen are finally changing [slashdot.org] . Sharing is good and portable, networked computing is going to make it happen. When it's free, you will be able to trust it and use it for business.

Erh what? (1)

antek9 (305362) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982057)

iPhone Doom? How am I supposed to read that: the iPhone business collapsing because of this, or is the author talking about a slide show of the game with the same title on the iPhone's ARM processor? Doom, ARM, duh, ... no, that's not ironic.

Re:Erh what? (2, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982123)

A doom( prboom?) clone runs great on open embedded with ARM cpus, but the iPaqs I played it on actually had buttons and a four-way toggle key for movement. I think playing an action game on an iPhone might be a little more difficult. Now, Day of the Tentacle with Scummvm would be neat...

Re:Erh what? (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982133)

Works fine on Rockbox [youtube.com]

Re:Erh what? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982161)

Doom runs on a number of Nokia / Symbian phones with less powerful ARM chips than the iPhone (they have smaller screens too, however), so there's no reason to believe it's not possible on the iPhone. Doom on the Nokia 770 would probably be a similar experience, where the use of a stylus for controlling movement shows that it's really a 'because we can' idea, rather than a 'because it's worth doing' one.

Re:Erh what? (1)

simong (32944) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982613)

I can recall seeing Doom running on a Psion 5 [wikipedia.org] eight or nine years ago. Granted the Psion had to be connected to a PC which served the WAD file but it looked good. I have a fairly convincing looking turn based version on my Sony Ericsson W810i too.

Re:Erh what? (1)

Lord of Hyphens (975895) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982617)

It still may be worth doing. Take a look at the Nintendo DS's FPS offerings sometime. A stylus for movement isn't that far-fetched.

Redundancy (2, Funny)

rriven (737681) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982061)

I can just see it now, your boss makes everyone in the company with an iPhone run a distributed backup web server in case 365 Main Datacenter http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/ 24/2210255 [slashdot.org] Goes down again.

No thanks... (0, Flamebait)

lixee (863589) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982069)

I'll take the Neo and OpenMoko over a carrier-locked-2-year-contract-proprietary phone on which running "Hello world" gets to be news.

Now all we need... (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982095)

....is an application to send picture messages and maybe turn it into a modern phone.

Re:Now all we need... (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982625)

....is an application to send picture messages and maybe turn it into a modern phone.
Right. Because if there's one app that makes or breaks the usability of a product, it's the ability to send that animated emoticon guy pooping .gif file.

Re:Now all we need... (1)

realdodgeman (1113225) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982649)

....is an application to send picture messages and maybe turn it into a modern phone.
Email?

No way Apple will go for it (5, Insightful)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982101)

I see voided warranties in people's futures! There's no way Apple (or AT&T for that matter) is going to give the "OK" on 3rd party applications. Apache web servers and python scripts? If people really wanted to try to get acceptance they would have started with a diet-calculator or bowling-score manager. Forget it now, I can see AT&T and Apply's lawyers scrambling for ways to avoid the maelstorm of hacks and scripts that could threaten their good name. Windows based phones have allowed 3rd part apps since their inception, but somehow it seems much less ominous. Perhaps because they're mostly used in corporate deployments, and pure geek-types?

Re:No way Apple will go for it (1)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982287)

What planet are you on? You have to pay $500 for the phone, you BUY it, it's yours. It's not like you're renting it. Yes, it may void the warranty, but you can do whatever you want with it.

Re:No way Apple will go for it (0)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982593)

Yes but you are running it on their network. I am sure they will just shut you off. Not real hard to block all server ports as well. IE make so the IPhone can go out on port 80 but no one can get in on port 80.

Re:No way Apple will go for it (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982579)

Yes because suing and abusing your customers is the way to record profits.

Re:No way Apple will go for it (0, Redundant)

dapsychous (1009353) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982635)

Hey, if it works for the RIAA... Oh, wait. Nevermind.

Re:No way Apple will go for it (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982639)

why does apple need to agree with it? fuck apple in their assholes.

sure it void's your warranty IN CERTAIN CASES, like if i hacked the firmware and suddenly i can't send sms all of a sudden.. well i would have to eat the bill to fix it. but that kind of thing goes on a case by case basis.

You cannot however, just blanket void warranty on a product, even if they do something fucked up to their iphone. the fault has to be in some way related to their messing around with it, so say they place a 3rd party app on it and a few days later the screen dies, apple MUST replace it.

I'm already in hiding. (2, Funny)

Claws Of Doom (721684) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982105)

Erm. Anyone been able to make a phonecall on one of these yet? Didn't you all cancel your call agreements?

Apologies.

your iPhone can now be a Web Server... (1)

ThePopeLayton (868042) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982107)

even though it would be delivering information via edge. So you could set up an old school BBC on it or something.

Permission from apple? (1)

kill-1 (36256) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982109)

Permission from apple? Yeah, sure...

Re:Permission from apple? (1)

neersign (956437) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982131)

Like hopefully permission from apple.
Like, totally.

no complaints (3, Interesting)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982113)

They didn't complain about the hacks of the iTV, so I haardly expect them to throw a tantrum over these few geeks willing to turn their iPhone into a webserver...

B.

Re:no complaints (1)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982457)

Until they find a way to free the iPhone from AT&T....

Jamie Zawinski said... (4, Insightful)

simong (32944) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982121)

'Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail'. In that case every platform evolves until it can run Doom...

AIM instead of SMS? (4, Interesting)

Oink (33510) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982135)

I think AT&T is going to force Apple to lock this down. From what I hear (maybe I'm mistaken, I don't have one yet), the only texting available on the iPhone is SMS, and not iChat. If you were free to install AIM on your phone, there goes a large portion of AT&T's income from text messages. Again, I don't know the details of the forced AT&T plans . . . are unlimited text messages forced on you? If not then I suspect I'm right. =)

Is this something that can be patched in a forced software update?

It is about airtime (1)

charanis (678688) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982339)

Think about it - if all we can do is build web-apps that requires either wifi time or ATT airtime to run. Or correct me if I'm wrong - if its running in the browser then its gotta be connected. Cha-Ching. Still, the promise of cool web apps is everywhere and if you have wifi at your home, office, school "the point is moot." BTW, 'jasee that Duke article - wonder if all the rich kids will be showing up at schools with iPhones and jamming up the wifi networks with these cool apps.

Re:AIM instead of SMS? (2, Informative)

triskaidekaphile (252815) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982449)

Still think so? [iphoneappl...onlist.com]

VLC ? (2, Interesting)

mbone (558574) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982139)

Anyone port VLC to the iPhone ? Its lack of RTP support was my biggest disappointment about it.

Apple be praised! (4, Funny)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982143)

It's fairly thin on information but if true, this will lead to good things. Like hopefully permission from Apple.

Ah, the blind faith of a True Believer. I suppose the crippled nature of the device is a test, and by defeating it you are found worthy in Jobs' eyes? And the next time you plug it into iTunes, instead of silently patching these "flaws", it will release everyone's phone from bondage!

Re:Apple be praised! (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982289)

But... but... I thought if we hacked FairPlay that they'd throw their hands in the air and just unlock all the protected AAC files they've ever released and only sell non-DRM protected music in the future. Are you saying that isn't true?

iPhone Doom? (3, Funny)

martyb (196687) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982147)

FTFS:

People, iPhone Doom could be just around the corner.

Pshaw!! *I* am waiting for iDuke iNuke'm iForever! <grin>

Con Kolivas (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982149)

Where did the Con Kolivas story go?

Re:Con Kolivas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982235)

It got deleted because it was a dupe from yesterday. No cospiracy here ;-)

Re:Con Kolivas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982293)

Con Kolivas is just the latest person to be alienated by the GPL v3. In a recent interview with Linux Log he said, "I work on the Linux kernel because I believe in open source and I believe in freedom. The balance between free software that was achieved with the original GPL has been turned on its head."

The GPL v3 keeps causing more and more problems. At what point do you just scrap it?

Re:Con Kolivas (0, Offtopic)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982623)

That's a very good question. It has been yanked off the firehose page, too.

Anyway, here's a link to TFA: http://apcmag.com/6735/interview_con_kolivas [apcmag.com]

AllOfMp3 pirate heading for Gulag !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982155)

Denis Kvasov, the former owner of Russian music site AllofMP3.com, has been charged with violating intellectual property laws in a Moscow court.

He faces a three year jail sentence and a 15 million rouble (420,000) fine in damages to record companies EMI, Warner, and Universal.

  AllofMP3.com, the UK's second most popular source for music downloads after iTunes, was shut down earlier this month after diplomatic pressure was piled on Russian authorities.

However, the servers are still accessible through software marketed by Alltunes.com (also owned by MediaServices, the firm behind AllofMP3.com), and a new site - MP3Sparks.com - that is almost identical to AllofMP3.

AllofMP3 still maintains it didn't do anything illegal. Russian collection societies are allowed to license music to companies without securing permission from the music's copyright holder. The Russian Organisation for Multimedia and Digital Systems (ROMS) got its 15 per cent of the revenue, but Western music bodies insist the collection societies do not represent them.

Alltunes.com recently won a court case against a Russian agent of Visa over its decision to disconnect the online music stores' payment system.

In a court ruling in Moscow, Rosbank Visa was found to have acted illegally in cutting off transactions made to the store, according to a statement from Alltunes.

Visa and Mastercard had blocked payments for Alltunes, which previously operated as AllofMP3, after the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) accused the website of copyright violation. ®

First cool app for apache (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982159)

iphone webcam. See the world from someone's hip or side of their head.

honestly though, how long before AT&T starts deactivating phone accounts for "data plan abuse" because people are actually using their data plan with these hacks and apps? they already try their hardest to scam their customers into buying the full data plan for their smartphone instead of the cheaper smartphone plan.

I had a AT&T rep threaten me that if I dont change my plan he will have my service shut off.

cingular and now AT&T pride themselves in the absolute crappiest customer service they can give. Threaten customers, scamming them into getting service plans they do not need (All I want is email, websurfing on a phone sucks and who cares about MTV videos on a phone)

Vim? Phhtttt (3, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982175)

Call me when it can run Emacs.

Oh... Only 8Gb RAM. Never mind.

Vim... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982185)

That's a good one. Vim on the iPhone. Good luck staying on the home row.
Unless ssh'd in, Vim would be absurd on an iPhone.

Re:Vim... (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982333)

That's a good one. Vim on the iPhone. Good luck staying on the home row.
Unless ssh'd in, Vim would be absurd on an iPhone.


It does, however, give one the ability to copy and paste.

imagine (2, Funny)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982195)

Could you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?

Actually yes! Or something like it anyway (1)

iBod (534920) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982487)

Packets of network traffic pass between all mobile phones and the networks continually.

I can see no reason why a network of iPhones (or Nokia or whoever's) couldn't be used as a sort of distributed, redundant computing platform, using their idle cycles (~99%) to work on small, distributed pieces of a problem.

This could be done with the 'opt-in' cooperation of the user, or unwittingly as part of the Terms of Service offered by the network operator.

Re:Actually yes! Or something like it anyway (1)

allanc (25681) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982671)

Now what would be *really* awesome is if Apple set it up so iPhones' wifi could be used as a mesh network. Imagine being able to get full 802.11 speeds not just if you're close enough to an access point, but if you're close enough to someone who's close enough to an access point. Especially if they threw in a VoIP app.

Saturate the world with enough wifi-enabled phones and who needs a phone company at all?

permission? huh? (2, Insightful)

bombastinator (812664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982201)

reality check: "permission from apple"??

Why after spending what was likely loads of time locking down the thing because they didn't want anyone messing with it would they suddenly change their minds because someone took a crowbar to the thing?

I think from their point of view it's a bit like the roaches expecting you to lay out some cheese platters and stop spraying since they managed to get into your house anyway.

I'm thinking they're going to see a fumigation tent a lot sooner than a bucket of veggie dip.

Can we mod the original post as funny? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982219)

Like hopefully permission from apple.

LOL

Overlooked feature (2, Funny)

ijustam (1127015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982299)

I don't know about anyone else, but one of the most useful features on my iPod (and I assume iPhone) is the shiny chrome backing. It's an iPod, it's a phone, an internet communications device, and a mirror!

Re:Overlooked feature (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982465)

The only shiny part on the back of the iPhone is an Apple-logo-sized, er, apple logo. The rest of it is matte finished. That said, my iPod didn't stay mirror-like very long.

That and I'm a geek, why would I want to look in a mirror? I checked this morning, I'm more or less within tolerance.

But can it run... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982353)

.... Skype??

Vim? (1)

amigabill (146897) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982369)

Somehow I don't think I'd want to use an iphone to edit text files in vim. I don't care how snazzy the interface is, that doesn't sound like fun.

Er, bash? (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982373)

I missed a step in the constant stream of iPhone-hacking stories. I caught the "interactive forth-like PROM shell" and the "Hello World" stories, but I missed hearing any "interactive bash shell via wifi" announcement.

The fact that you can run vim is neat, but can you save files to the filesystem? What's the filesystem like? More like HFS or more like ext3? Can you get ssh/wifi going so you don't have to tappity through a soldered cable anymore?

Okay, but... what? (1)

Fross (83754) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982445)

I think this is a neat trick, sure, and I'm a tinkerer as much as anyone, so I can appreciate this.

But.

What does this accomplish? I mean outside of it being "it's a neat thing I can do to it", it's not going to have serious practical implications for 99.9% of users. The writeup goes off onto this tangent of being able to run third-party applications on it, woohoo. I can't think of a single phone who has had a third-party application as a major selling point. And I have a Treo! The Palm stuff can be really nice, but there really isn't a deal-breaker compared to the internal software (the main features about it I love are the browser (I seem to get better performance with the built-in one than Opera) and the threaded messaging system)

It's neat, sure, but I don't see this sort of hack as being the Holy Grail for making the phone better that so many people think it is. A step backwards, even, if you have to get rid of some of the nice software already on it to use the hack (such as people removing the iTV's perfectly good software bundle to run their own homebrew stuff that just looks like ass in comparison)

Re:Okay, but... what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982693)

this is a neat trick, sure, and I'm a tinkerer as much as anyone, so I can appreciate this. ....
But. .... What does this accomplish?


Clearly you are not a tinkerer as much as other ones. Who cares what it accomplishes?

Just what I needed! (4, Funny)

oneandoneis2 (777721) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982475)

My all-time favourite text editor, with its plethora of keyboard shortcuts, on a device with no keyboard!

How have I lived so long without one?

When they come out in the UK, I'll buy an iPhone for sure now!

So now an iPhone can hack another iPhone (1, Funny)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982489)

Since apache is running on an iPhone now, it could host that iPhone exploit discussed earlier.

Let's not forget the malfeasants (1)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982507)

With the iPhone Safari exploit, this could actually turn into a (spam|scam|phish)er's dream. Imagine an army of iPhone bots doing nothing but serving up porn, pill, and pump-n-dump pages. They don't have to be fast to work on people. EDGE may be slower than 3G or broadband, but at 200kbps you can still send out a massive amount of spam and serve up small images.

I'm interested to see where this all leads. Speaking of iPhone hacks, I may be completely out of it and missed them, but you would have thought there'd be massive hacking against WM5 or WM6 by now.

"permission from apple" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19982531)

You NEVER need permission to run software of your choice on hardware that you own. Slashdot wouldn't exist if not for people who understood and fought for this concept, when did you forget this CmdrTaco?

Trolling for fun (1)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982573)

Yeah, of course it runs vi... when they get a version that can get emacs off the ground, then I'll be impressed!


Sorry, I couldn't help myself! *ducks*

Enterprenuring hackers (1)

Alystair (617164) | more than 7 years ago | (#19982647)

discovered their suspicions were right all along. OS X was running under emacs!
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