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Blue Blu-ray

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the embracing-while-holding-their-nose dept.

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TopSpin writes "Early this year the meme circulated that Blu-ray might be going the way of Betamax, and for the exact same reason: Sony's unfriendliness to the porn industry. But at Japan's recent euphemistically named Adult Treasure Expo 2007, adult filmmakers said Sony has begun offering technical support, and this was later confirmed by Sony PR. The company stated that Sony would offer support to any filmmaker working on the format, no matter their industry. Apparently, Blu-ray is now the preferred medium for Japanese adult films."

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Any consensus? (4, Interesting)

MontyApollo (849862) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063309)

Is there any consensus in the geek community about which format is liked best?

Re:Any consensus? (5, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063327)

Normal DVD- cracked DRM, and most people still don't have HD.

Re:Any consensus? (5, Funny)

hav0x (984818) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063349)

whichever the japanese adult filmmakers choose is fine by me.

Re:Any consensus? (1)

camperslo (704715) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063791)

whichever the japanese adult filmmakers choose is fine by me.

Something tells me that if it is the adult video industry that is going to drive a global HD format choice, it probably won't be those from Japan that do it.
I feel a little sorry for a customer buying Japanese HD adult content not knowing that in Japan all genitalia must be covered with mosaic.

How much would you pay to see HD mosaic???

Re:Any consensus? (1)

stabiesoft (733417) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063395)

I think the consensus is that video is about the same and blu-ray has the edge on audio (if the studio uses the extra capabilities) I think too soon to tell who will win, although I just got a BD player and am crossing my fingers.

Re:Any consensus? (-1, Flamebait)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063405)

I like Blu-ray, but only because I don't like Microsoft. Since Microsoft is support HD-DVD, I refuse to consider it a viable option.

Re:Any consensus? (2, Insightful)

C0rinthian (770164) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063515)

Yeah, because Sony treats their consumers MUCH better than MS does, right?

Re:Any consensus? (1)

nebosuke (1012041) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063769)

Yes? Scary, I know.

Re:Any consensus? (1)

kryten_nl (863119) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063789)

They both installed shit on their users computers, without their consent, which made the system less secure. Now, which company apologized for doing that?

Re:Any consensus? (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063411)

The biggest barrier I can see for the geek community in adopting one format or the other is the lack of consumer-market HD-DVD burners.

But then, Sony's Blu-Ray burner is also still too damn expensive.

Re:Any consensus? (-1, Troll)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063449)

HD-DVD has no region coding crap. And it's not backed by Sony (A company that amazed the world by being more evil than Microsoft).

Re:Any consensus? (4, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063461)

Meh. To me, it comes down to:

  • How much a burner costs
  • How much the media costs
  • How many commercial players will support burned movies of format x

Re:Any consensus? (3, Insightful)

cerelib (903469) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063623)

If those are your only criteria, then regular DVD wins.

Re:Any consensus? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063733)

oh snap punched in the face by LOGIC!

Re:Any consensus? (2, Informative)

MontyApollo (849862) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063771)

HD format and capacity was kind of implied.

Re:Any consensus? (1)

veganboyjosh (896761) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063827)

How many commercial players will support burned movies of format x

This article is about format xxx, you insensitive clod!

Re:Any consensus? (5, Funny)

mmarlett (520340) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063463)

The preferred format for the geek community is "teen girl". It will never quite completely erase the "big breast" format, though.

Hybrid (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063849)

Suit yourself. I'll get myself the "Teen Girl" / "Big Breast" hybrid model.

It may cost a bit more, I don't have to worry about choosing the wrong format.

Re:Any consensus? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063497)

well, I prefer the uncensored male on female Japanese porn. Asian porn is OK, but I prefer Japanese out of that genre; I find the Japanese actresses to be much more attractive. Not so much into the Japanese lesbian porn, not sure why. Definitely not into the scat or bukkake porn.

So there you have it. YMMV

Yes. Broadband (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063525)

Why bother with physical media when you can get much more diverse pr0n over the internet.

Why spend up on players etc that might go obsolete?

Re:Yes. Broadband (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063897)

Why bother with physical media when you can get much more diverse pr0n over the internet.
Do you mean, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

Internet stuff tends to be formatted to prevent personal retention unlike physical media which only prevents extraction.

However, all three include a network connection to report back what you're watching.

Re:Any consensus? (0)

rsmoody (791160) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063555)

Which for mat is liked best? Well, for me it's the one I can afford! Hell $2000 on my 50" Plasma and all I could afford was the Toshiba HD-A2, on sale for $240, plus 5 free movies by mail. The closest Blu-Ray is $400 for the older 20GB PS3 and I don't want some noisy player like that, the lowest standalone is about $500. With my HD, the quality is awesome (yes I know the HD-A2 only goes 1080i, but that the best my TV does also, works out that way), I love how the menus work, up-conversion is wonderful. My only complaint is how long it takes to boot up. But, my older Onkyo 6 disc changer takes almost that long. Very few glitches with it so far. Put in Apollo 13 and the sound was all distorted. Popped in Firefly and it was fine, put Apollo 13 back in and it was ok. Just after the firmware update, movie looked like it was playing in 4:3 mode, stopped it, checked settings, restarted, back to 16:9. If/when the Blu-ray players drop, I will get one, I don't mind buying another player for around $250 if the titles are there. So far, there are only a few on Blu-ray that I want. Most are HD, the pushing point for me was Heroes on HD which also means BSG on HD since they are the same parent network (crosses fingers). About the only titles I would see wanting Blu-ray for are *some* Disney titles, mostly the Pixar stuff. Perhaps by that time, Disney will go format neutral, HD will win, or Blu-ray will be affordable.

Re:Any consensus? (1)

Jartan (219704) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063589)

Is there any consensus in the geek community about which format is liked best?

h264 HD w/o DRM

Re:Any consensus? (1)

Cadallin (863437) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063821)

Actually, that's a really good format. x264 with ogg audio in mkv, full support for multiple subtitle tracks. Quite found of that one. 'Cept its a touch leading edge and its taken awhile for the players to nail down their support for the containers. I wish the fansub community could decide the format wars, they often come up with stuff that's very user friendly.

Re:Any consensus? (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063679)

As I mainly use my optical drives for data transfer and installing an operating system, my main concern is Linux support. Any device that doesn't work with Linux is dead to me ( literally speaking ).

Re:Any consensus? (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063713)

Yes to an extent. Now that the full BluRay specs are being followed (the gen 1 systems did not have the ability for overlay video which removed a LOT of the interactive content such as interviews/alternate shots/bloopers/etc. from running in a smaller picture in a corner while the movie is played). HD-DVD seems to have a better picture quality right now on the movies that have been release dual format. However, this may be player based and seems to be at this point, as there have been mixed consensus on this over the last month (as that was first dual format release, previous movies were either available on BluRay OR HD-DVD, not BOTH). There also appears to be differences directly related to the encoding itself with the studio's having more expertise with one format or the other (kind of like a bad game port to a different console, yeah it works and is the game, but it just isn't smooth or the graphics are slightly off because some feature they used when they developed it for the original isn't in the new one, etc., etc., etc...)

There is consensus that BluRay is technically more advanced then HD-DVD. But then, so was Betamax more technically advanced then VHS, and we all know that the less technically advanced format won that war.

Re:Any consensus? (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063829)

blu-ray and HD-DVD supposedly use exactly the same codecs, and I don't see why they would recode with different codecs if they didn't have to, so I should imagine that differences in video quality are indeed based on the player.

Both of 'em still look damn nice. And BTW, Betamax lacked one critical advancement VHS had: longer record time. VHS soon made up the quality difference.

Re:Any consensus? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063727)

I'd say Blu-Ray. It's holds more, it uses Java (instead of that thing MS developed for HD-DVD), it has a larger installed base at this point, has a cooler name, is backed by Apple, etc.

Me? I use DVD. I'm not going to replace my nice 5 disc DVD player with a 1 disc player for one of the HD formats while paying $600+ for the privilege. I'm waiting for prices to drop.

Blu-kake (5, Funny)

Dude McDude (938516) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063321)

Those crazy Japanese!!!

Re:Blu-kake (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063519)

Yet Sony still won't let them press porn disks in Japan; they have to press them in Taiwan and import them.

Re:Blu-kake (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063575)

And yet it's still probably cheaper for the porn companies to do it that way. If it really is cheaper to do so, why the hell not?

Re:Blu-kake (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063855)

Japan has some seriously restrictive porn laws (all that hentai porn is something of a loophole concerning animation). Perhaps Sony would be taxed higher or incur the possibility of contributory liability if they pressed porn discs?

The Swing Content (5, Funny)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063337)

The porn industry is perfectly capable of going both ways... and a few others besides.

Blu-Ray Job (2, Funny)

TheWizardTim (599546) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063345)

Watch out for job postings looking for "Blu-Ray Job" experience.

Re:Blu-Ray Job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063767)

I felt a great disturbance in the force. As if thousands of resumes had been simultaneously updated.

Za eentaenetto eesu foru porun (3, Funny)

lohphat (521572) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063359)

Avenue Q FTW!

Re:Za eentaenetto eesu foru porun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063517)

> Za eentaenetto eesu foru porun

Za eentaenetto eesu foru porun! Cthulu's tentacles rapee me horn! J-porn, porn, porn!

HD porn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063377)

Why don't they just put a hole or a stump on the tv screen.

Difference? (3, Interesting)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063383)

Without looking at the tubes, I've been curious (not too) about the end user functional difference between blu-ray and HD-DVD (aside from one having fewer syllables). Is it like buying a red porsche cayenne or a blue porsche cayenne? I'm not sure how two devices can compete with each other if they are essentially the same. Will their market lifetime boil down to non-technical reasons, as stated in the article? Is there some nifty upgrade path that one allows over the other?

Re:Difference? (2, Informative)

harryk (17509) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063501)

without getting to the nitty gritty details. It's something like your example.

think more like the porsche and the toureg. Both essentially luxury class suvs, one costs more than the other, but essentially still just a sporty suv.

The difference really is space. compare say ... the sporty suv to an escalade or something. Both still luxury, but one can physically fit more inside.

I believe hd-dvd is on the order of 15-20gb, where a blu-ray disc is 50-60gb. So the blu-ray disc can hold the same length movie, with less compression, and as a result ( theortically ) a better image.

there are a number of technical differences, but the end user I think is more concerned with the physical aspects of data storage, wether for audio/video or data, which is why I think (opinion only) Blu-ray is the better format.

cheers,
harryk

Re:Difference? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063601)

Picture if you had to build a garage, type A only fits car A type B only fits car B - you have to make a choice. Either choose A to buy all your cars from Sony in the future, or B have the choice of every other company in the world.

Re:Difference? (4, Insightful)

masdog (794316) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063793)

Um...in case you haven't been to a consumer electronics store in the last six months, there are more 3rd party Blu-Ray players than there are HD-DVD players total. Unlike Betamax, this isn't a Sony-only product.

Re:Difference?..... (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063799)

If I was a mod I would mark flamebait. BluRay has more studio's releasing video to it then HD-DVD at this point (only 1... yes, one (1), uno, ichi, une, unus, men, ein... studio is not releasing BluRay films). Everyone else has committed to the format. However there are 4 major studio's that have not committed to releasing video's to HD-DVD.

So take your analogy and reverse it and swap Microsoft for Sony, because it is HD-DVD that has less studio's releasing for it, not Sony.

Re:Difference? (1)

Datasage (214357) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063673)

Its 30GB for HD-DVD and 50GB for Blue Ray.

But realistically, you can compress a full length 720p HD movie to about 5 GB without much compression artifacts, with the right codec. So either format is enough for HD.

Re:Difference? (4, Informative)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063735)

"I believe hd-dvd is on the order of 15-20gb, where a blu-ray disc is 50-60gb. So the blu-ray disc can hold the same length movie, with less compression, and as a result ( theortically ) a better image."

HD DVD is 15GB (I have no idea what a gb is) per layer. Blu-Ray is 25GB per layer. Both can come in dual layer formats and so HD DVD can have up to 30GB and Blu-Ray 50GB. Both support exactly the same video and audio codecs and also AACS DRM although Blu-Ray has an additional layer of encryption which HD DVD lacks although it hasn't be used yet. Blu-Ray is also region encoded whereas HD DVD isn't so you can buy your discs from anywhere in the world if you buy them on HD DVD but you can only buy them within your own region if you buy Blu-Ray.

Picture quality wise there is nothing in it. In all the tests so far, HD DVD has been equal or better where the film is available on both formats. Truth is, a 1080p HD signal can easily fit into 30GB using VC-1. A number of Blu-Ray discs are still using MPEG2 which is less efficient and is why they don't look as good as the HD DVD VC-1 equivalent.

In the end, the technical differences are small enough not to make the slightest difference. Physically, the discs are the same dimensions and a combi drive is practical so there is no reason to believe that a cheap multiformat player won't exist. Samsung is supposed to be releasing their DVD/HD DVD/Blu-Ray combi player in europe for 400 shortly and it will support all formats fully.

Personally, I bought an HD DVD drive for my Xbox 360 so I would have some HD material for my HD TV and HD projector. For the money I would have been daft not to and there were enough films on the format to get me started. Even today, there is little to choose between HD DVD and Blu-Ray when it comes to choice of films. Compared with DVD, HD DVD is definitely clearer and has richer colours and deeper blacks. I have an upscaling HDMI DVD player which helps make DVD look very good, but HD DVD is definitely better. When the combi player becomes available I will buy one and use that instead of my Xbox 360 and also have the option of Blu-Ray.

Re:Difference? (1)

harrkev (623093) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063521)

We had the same sort of thing when DVD-R and DVD+R we duking it out. Now, we just buy a $35 burner that can handle both and use the cheapest media that we can find. Life goes on.

Re:Difference? (1)

omeomi (675045) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063715)

We had the same sort of thing when DVD-R and DVD+R we duking it out.

The difference is that nobody has any idea what the difference is between DVD-R and DVD+R. Blue-Ray and HD-DVD, however allow for differing amounts of data storage.

DVD family (1)

^_^x (178540) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063941)

It's kind of sad... I have two dual-layer DVD+/-RW burners but I've never gone out and bought one, they're just basic PC gear now. So I got a spool of 50 dual-layer discs to cover all the dual-layers I'll ever need to burn. By the time I get to the end of the spool, my drives will probably have been replaced with something newer. ...sure would have been nice to have this cheap abundant tech leapfrogging earlier on in the life cycle rather than a bunch of little hops just before launching into a new age of conflicting unaffordable formats. I guess that's the way it tends to go, but it just feels WRONG having a container of media last as long as the drive itself. Even LS-120 had a (slightly) better run than that...

Just ranting...

Who cares (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063403)

Until there's an affordable HDDVD/BluRay hybrid player, I couldn't care less what format has what movies (or what kind of movies, for that matter).

Re:Who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063431)

Ultimately, that's what people will be using... the "format war" between the two will be inconsequential and on-going. All the best players will play "both formats" and consumers will buy those and not care which format they buy.

Re:Who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063565)

That's true. It's the reason we still have DVD+R and DVD-R. Kind of a waste really. I prefer one over the other for technical reasons. That being DVD+R of course with the DVD-ROM bitsetting. Are there any reasons to prefer DVD-R?

Re:Who cares (1)

masdog (794316) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063669)

I don't know about that. It seems like Blu-Ray is gaining the advantage right now. According to the wikipedia article, Blockbuster has decided to offer blu-ray in most of its stores. Target is giving Blu-ray prominence over HD-DVD. Three of the five major movie studios release on Blu-ray exclusively, with a fourth that releases on both. I think the format war has been settled.

The bigger war is still coming - Blu-ray vs. DVD. Most people won't need, or want, Blu-Ray for a couple of years, especially since the price of a good upconvert DVD player is at least 1/4th of the price of a blu-ray player.

MOD PARENT UP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063577)

I couldn't care less
+1, proper English

Am I the only one who just doesn't care about HD? (4, Interesting)

bigtangringo (800328) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063407)

I really don't care for the HD craze, I still buy plain old DVDs. Am I really in the minority?

Re:Am I the only one who just doesn't care about H (1)

ucla74 (1093323) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063483)

Nope; you're just not bleeding-edge. Welcome to the club the rest of us belong to.

I want storage, not HD. (4, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063535)

I don't care a bit about the video capabilities.

I just want the gigabytes of storage. Inexpensive burners + inexpensive disks and I'll be happier.

Mod Parent Insightful (2, Insightful)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063661)

Mod the parent insightful - even if it totally fails as a video format or for games, it would still be useful for things like data backups (if it got cheap enough), maybe even to the point that it would be worth it for the average Joe Sixpack to perform bi-annual backups of his desktop or laptop (or for the bit-torrent people, all of the Battle Star Galactica episodes they've downloaded for example).

the rest of us download (1)

acidrain (35064) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063585)

I still buy plain old DVDs. Am I really in the minority?

Yeah, the rest of us download our movies.

Re:Am I the only one who just doesn't care about H (1)

dontthink (1106407) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063725)

Plain old DVDs serve my purpose perfectly well too. I've got a 42" 1080p LCD, and upscaled to 720p/1080i old-school DVDs look fantastic. I just use an $80 used Xbox softmodded with XBMC installed as a media center box - from what I've read, the software upscaling is as good if not better than standalone upsampling DVD players. I also use the TV as a monitor for my PC (HL2, Oblivion, and Civ 4 in 1080p are well worth the investment), so I don't feel like the extra resolution over 720p is wasted at this point. I'm going to wait until the dust settles on the HD player front before investing in one, although considering the ease with which you can install Linux on a PS3, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone creates an app similar to/ports XBMC - This fact alone makes me lean towards PS3/Blu-ray, but I definitely don't feel the need to make the jump anytime soon.

Re:Am I the only one who just doesn't care about H (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063797)

I really don't care for the HD craze, I still buy plain old DVDs. Am I really in the minority?

No, you aren't but the industry definitely wants you to believe that you are. See the most recent commercial w/the dude from the Sopranos talking about his HD-DVD player and how it makes his regular DVDs look even better...

They know that consumers are unlikely to upgrade so soon after their full conversion from VHS.

---

My feeling as to why Sony is now playing with the Porn Industry is b/c Blu-Ray has yet to be cracked and they are hoping that with HD-DVD being toast that they will get to be the winner. With the porn industry a little annoyed by the pirating of their DVDs (but not taking the steps the MPAA is), they are hoping that they will be able to be better protected with the new format.

Bitter Tears Of Microsoft Fanboys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063419)

Can anyone imagine what it must be like to be sitting at home with:

1) A crappy Xbox 360(most likely replacement console number 4,5,6...)
2) The giant 1980s looking 200 dollar HD-DVD addon sitting next to it(looking oh so stylish!)
3) A giant pile of crappy HD-DVD movies you bought thinking you were helping to fight Sony(that you hateses so much!!!)

Losers. Absolute and utter losers.

Re:Bitter Tears Of Microsoft Fanboys (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063747)

Can anyone imagine what it must be like to be sitting at home with:
I actually wouldn't mind having a hybrid DiVX/DVD player. It would be something obscure to hack.

I also wish I had a Laserdisc player, and that I could get my old Videodisc player working (bought-from-eBay Christmas gift from my brother, suspect dead motor).

Right now I have more HD-DVD disks than Blu-Ray, but that'll equalize once I send in my rebate. In future releases, I've only spotted one title I want that's only on one HD format: Heroes Season 1 on HD-DVD.

And I have the XBOX 360 HD-DVD drive, but no XBOX 360. I've ordered the ReadDVD! UDF 2.5 drivers for Mac OS X Tiger to determine if Apple DVD Player really can play HD-DVD disks or only HD-DVD content recorded on DVD disks.

All hail (4, Funny)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063425)

our pixelated vagina overlords!

Re:All hail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063703)

Yay, Blue Ray!
Built-in support for pixelating naughty bits!
(And tentacle rape too!)

Re:All hail (1)

Kesch (943326) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063741)

Yes, but now they Hi-def pixelated. I'm still trying to work out what that phrase means.

Can someone please explain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063433)

...why "blue" is a euphemism for porn?

Thanks.

Re:Can someone please explain... (1, Interesting)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063457)

It's an extension of "blue" comedy which contains more profanity.

Blue Laws of the Colony of Connecticut (4, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063781)

I thought it came from the term blue law [wikipedia.org] , which is any law designed to enforce a moral standard. I believe that term derives from the original Blue Laws [wikipedia.org] of the Colony of Connecticut.

Why bother (2, Funny)

NaCh0 (6124) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063447)

Now you can see the blurred out parts in HD.

Re:Why bother (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063695)

If you buy blurred-out porn, you're an idiot. Even if you live in Japan, it's my understanding that it is still possible to find non-blurred porn.

I, for one, (1)

snoyberg (787126) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063469)

welcome our new Blu-Ray Japanese porn overlords

Licensing killed Betamax (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063473)

Or rather the lack of.

If sony had been a bit more receptive to licensing to 3rd parties like JVC did, BetaMax would have survied as it was the better technology at the time.

WHich is why Blu-Ray is winning (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063939)

Toshiba is the ONLY hardware maker for HD-DVD drives.

On the Blu-Ray side, you have players from Sony and Panasonic and Samsung and others (soon to be Funai players as well, the producer of the dirt-cheap DVD players for WalMart).

Sony learned well the lessons of betamax (also including have the format with more storage, and more studio backing). It's a shame the HD-DVD backers didn't bother to examine history to see where they were headed.

The resolution upgrade is incredible! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063505)

You can really see the increased detail of the pixelization of the sex organs much more.

Blu-Ray (0, Troll)

ShrapnelFace (1001368) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063509)

Whatever.

Porn is irrelevant (5, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063513)

Porn is not going to decide HD formats. I don't know why this idiotic meme keeps springing up. Sure it may have had an impact on beta vs VHS where porn-friendly VHS offered an alternative to going to some sleazy porno theatre. But those days have past. Porn is readily and discretely available from thousands of internet sites, satellite, and conventional formats. The impact of some format supporting or not supporting porn is fairly low. Besides, there are Blu Ray porn titles if you really want your razor rash in HD so the whole argument is moot.

Re:Porn is irrelevant (1)

Kesch (943326) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063765)

[Citation needed]

(Links please!)

Re:Porn is irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063871)

You're under the mistaken impression everyone uses the internet. They don't.

Re:Porn is irrelevant (2, Interesting)

HappyEngineer (888000) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063913)

It's not the porn, it's the control. If Sony is willing to effectively censor porn then they've proven they're willing to use their power to censor. Who wants to take a chance on a format controlled by someone who has demonstrated their willingness to censor?

Urban legends (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063527)

The original meme was wrong in the first place. Some people took an article that said that Sony would not press porn blu-ray disks, got confused, and announced that Sony wasn't going to allow porn on blu-ray. This was never the case. They never said they wouldn't license it for other people to press porn on blu-ray.

This was all said at the time, of course, but people were more interested in being clever and announcing blu-ray's demise than actually researching the matter.

Re:Urban legends (1)

m0nkyman (7101) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063883)

[i]This was all said at the time, of course, but [b]people were more interested in being clever[/b] and announcing blu-ray's demise [b]than actually researching the matter.[/b][/i]
You're new to slashdot or something? That's always true. Even in this post. :P

Re:Urban legends (1)

TopSpin (753) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063887)

The original meme was wrong in the first place.
That may be the case. Just FYI; as submitted my story had no reference to the previous /. story. The assertion the Betamax failed due to lack of porn is (possibly well informed) opinion at best, and myth at worst. It's plausible I suppose. I may even believe it. However, I made no such allusions in the story I submitted. The fact that Sony has managed to weasel past Japanese law (by outsourcing Blu-ray porn replication to Taiwan) and set aside the (hypothesized) concerns of their own corporate governance to insure a channel for porn on Blu-ray is interesting, in and of itself.

Pixels in high-def. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063563)

Hooray, now I get to see pixelated genitalia in high-definition!

I, for one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063605)

... welcome our Hi-Def tentacle overlords !!!

Macs (0)

BibelBiber (557179) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063613)

As long as there is no drive of either make in a Mac preinstalled there is no real market for it. Apple is fo me an indicator of new techs going live. Most of the time this worked, maybe not with Firewire but at least with the SuperDrive.

It's all in the name (2, Insightful)

Alioth (221270) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063615)

Blu-Ray won't fail because of porn, it'll fail because of its name.

Now what will Joe Sixpack think? He'll think WTF is Blu-Ray? I'll buy HD-DVD. I know what DVD is, and HD-DVD must be better DVD. So Joe Sixpack will buy the HD-DVD system because he knows what a DVD is but hasn't the faintest clue what Blu-Ray is.

Re:It's all in the name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063711)

The same Joe Sixpack that buys a widescreen HD TV to watch regular, distorted cable?

Re:It's all in the name (3, Insightful)

noamsml (868075) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063745)

Advertising, advertising, advertising. Do you think the DVD brand sprang out of nothing?

Re:It's all in the name (2, Insightful)

Heftklammerdosierer! (846009) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063911)

Or Mr. Sixpack will think HD-DVD is just an incremental upgrade to regular DVD, while Blu-Ray is something new and better.

Not really (2, Insightful)

bjdevil66 (583941) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063687)

Call me when:

  1. Decent, large wide-screen HDTVs (LCDs, Plasmas, etc.) cost about $300-$400.
  2. The HD-DVD or Blu-Ray debate is settled so I'm not buying the wrong tech.
  3. Shopping for above parts or components is simplified or culled down a bit (I don't have to read a dozen articles to understand every bit of the technology - 720p, 1080i, compatibility issues, etc. - I just want it to work)
  4. Hooking it all up is easy enough to where I'm not reading manuals or HOWTOs (i.e. done in less than 15 minutes - why waste the time?)

Until then, my nice,

Re:Not really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063801)

No gives a shit what kind of TV or movie format you own.

Re:Not really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063845)

I'm still waiting for:

1. Decent large (32") CRTs costing $300-$400 (not Walmart specials... thanks you)
2. I can watch European PAL Region 2 DVDs on a DVD player that I buy in the US.
3. I don't need to understand the difference between coax and svideo and composite.
4. The system knows exactly what I want setup by reading my mind.

I'm still waiting. That's why I have kept my black and white tv. At least it works. No fancy satellite dish. No fancy remote controls. And as you people with fancy remote controls? Are you that lazy? And I don't have Tivo either... I watch TV live... the way God meant it to be watched.

Re:Not really (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063905)

Why don't you get an LCD computer monitor and a pair of glasses instead of your HDTV?

Two comments come to mind. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063699)

PS3 the console for the lonely man.
and
Do we really want high def porn?

Bru-lay? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063701)

Bru-lay?

High-def porn? No thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20063743)

Really, do you want to see all the pimples on his or her ass in their full 1080p glory? Do you need to see the C-section or episiotemy scar?

Some things are better left a little blurry, like most porn stars.

Re:High-def porn? No thanks. (1)

Sassinak (150422) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063889)

I seem to recall some article mentioning something about that, about how a number of porn actresses are complaining about high-def porn because all their imperfections are being shown now. (pimples, scars, etc...)

So hopefully people will lay off porn for once since the unabashed truth will certainly set a number of people off.

Now the pixelated censorship box in the films... (1)

MeditationSensation (1121241) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063761)

...will be even higher resolution! ;-)

No preferred media for me. (3, Interesting)

Chonine (840828) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063847)

I am not looking to continue buying movies on plastic discs. Having movies sent through the mail or having to drive to a store should be unnecessary now. There are already a few internet on demand services for movies, and plenty of cable/satellite on demand services. Ownership services ala iTunes is probably around the corner. DRM-free would be ideal, so really whichever gets around to that first wins in my opinion. Not happening any time soon, but really not an issue in the debate. HD, Blueray, and iTunes all have it. With regards to pornography, I expect the industry will continue moving into the online direction. I suspect they will continue to be pioneers in the area actually.

8 years ago I purged floppies from my life, ripping them out of every device I had, and saving all of that data to newer disc. Around 2 years ago I pretty much purged CD/DVD from everything, sans a single portable USB DVD-RW drive I can use for anything. Magnetic and optical medium had its time. Flash drives/cards, solid state disk drives, and networks should be everything. Of course, the transition is slow, but that's why I took a stand. I don't buy software, I install new OS' from the network or an existing partition. The DVDRW drive is a read once and rip solution for music CDs, and periodic DVD backup aside from rsync. Movies I use cable on demand services, DVR, and theaters.

About the only reason why I would care for any next-generation disc medium would be for a viable backup solution. Not many available, nor cost effective at the moment. This is a pretty geeky view of everything, but I think that the general consumer trend will follow it. Most likely, both BlueRay and HD-DVD will slowly replace DVDs, but only when the cost is comparable for both the movies and for combination devices. The *real* next-generation media is when there is no media at all.

Missing link (1)

TallGuyRacer (920071) | more than 7 years ago | (#20063873)

The post is missing the most important link (the one that most Shashdot readers would be most interested in): adultexpo.jp/english/main.html (Probably NSFW)
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