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Sony Crows About Blu-ray, Upcoming PS3 DVR Functionality

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the look-at-our-shiny-toys dept.

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Eurogamer/GamesIndustry.biz reports on Sony's pleased statements about the PlayStation 3. The company has made a point to note that Blu-ray was totally worth it after recent comments by some developers who had problems fitting their titles onto a DVD. The interview with the site promises 'big things' for the format in the future. The future of the PS3 itself seems to have changes coming too: a television tuner and DVR functionality looks to be in the offing for the console. Microsoft announced similar plans earlier this year, but there are no firm dates for either company's use of the console.

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Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are (-1, Redundant)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078469)

The company has made a point to note that Blu-ray was totally worth it

Gee that's a surprise, I really thought they'd come out and say "you know what? we really sucked pond water from the bottom when we chose Blu-Ray"...

The interview with the site promises 'big things' for the format in the future.

I'm not buying a PS/3 until they support minidisc. I've heard for the past 15 years that there are big things coming for that format too.

Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are (1)

The13thSin (1092867) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078921)

You sir, are an idiot! (Also good mod.) Anyway, before this thread turns into a big sony bashing orgasm, cos all good news for teh PS3 obviously warrants that, I'll just mention I'm getting this if they'll keep the price not much over 100 dollars/euro for the hardware addon, and it supports HD (which I presume it will). Nice extra for my media machine I'd say. A nice 300 gig or so 3.5" Harddisk won't hurt either I suppose. Also, for added randomness and since Fox had this nice piece on Anon a short while ago I'll end with: Tits or GTFO. for the "Corrupted LOL" off course.

Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079191)

Mini-Disc is a hugely successful format. WTF are you talking about? just because it's not a big deal in the United States doesn't mean the enormous popularity of the format can be ignored. Same goes for Euros. It's a big deal, mabye not in Tuscon, but it's a big deal.

Sony has some done some freaking idiotic things, but you can't really deny that the PS3 is at least looking better than it was six months ago.

Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are (1, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080481)

It's looking better, I guess. But that's only because it couldn't look any WORSE.

There still aren't any "system seller" games for it. And it's still too expensive. The only good news, really, is some of the upcoming games that were shown at E3. Most of which aren't coming out until this fall, and most of which are also coming out for the 360.

Sony is still in a world of hurt, I think. The PS3 just doesn't have any momentum at all.

Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are (2, Insightful)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080811)

Says.. you?

Microsoft has only sold (to retailers) about 10 million consoles. Considering Sony sold 120+ million PS2's, I'd say there's still quite a market left of people that haven't pulled the trigger on the Xbox or the PS3. Considering that the Xbox isn't exactly cheap, someone could just as easily buy a PS3 over the 360.

Just like you said, a lot of games are released for both platforms, so it's just as easy to assume someone would buy the PS3 over the 360 because it's more feature-rich out of the box.

Questions Sony needs to answer (5, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078491)

PS3 as a DVR, huh? Well, that raises the following questions:

  • Does it support CableCard?
  • If not, how does it change channels?
  • Does it support HD? (I'd assume it does.)
  • Is it an additional add-on? (I'd assume it is, with a remote.) If so, how much does it cost?
  • How does it compare to other DVRs? Specifically, does it require a subscription? Offer TV listings? Offer suggestions?
  • Can it record while a game is playing? While a movie (DVD/Blu-Ray) is playing?
  • Does it use the same hard drive that games use? Will they be competing for available space?

I think that's my list of questions. I could see it working, but it'd have to be able to beat TiVo on ease of use. I'd rather have a separate DVR, but I can definitely understand that some people would want a combination console/DVD/Blu-Ray/DVR unit.

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078551)

Gee I have been predicting this from the start.
What I wonder in addition to all of your questions is.
1. Will it let you save the shows to a memory stick to watch on your PSP?
2 Will it let you use your PSP to watch shows over wifi served from your PS3?

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079335)

2 Will it let you use your PSP to watch shows over wifi served from your PS3?

Why wouldn't you be able to? You can already do this with any video source. The PS3 demolishes the other two consoles in media functionality. And yes, I have all three.

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (0, Troll)

Kratisto (1080113) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080417)

Perhaps. But I'd rather have my video game console actually play games, and so far, all I've heard from developers is that the PS3 is a pain in the ass to support. They've even lost Metal Gear Solid 4 as an exclusive, which some people cited as their reason for buying a PS3 in the first place. Sony seems to be pulling a Nintendo and losing out on their games library and third party support.

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080829)

Blah blah, poor developers.

Every new platform is difficult if it's not what you've been doing. I don't feel sorry for these people; they're paid to develop titles. And they have been. There's an assload of games being released for Sony's game system.

Exclusives are over-rated; that's why you see a lot less of them these days. I can imagine a world where there's enough room for more then one game console. Why can't you?

ps. Since the PS3 plays games, why not also use it for other things? You know, these things are just fancy looking computers. Why do you rather these things be useless for anything besides playing games?

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#20086261)

"Blah blah, poor developers.

Every new platform is difficult if it's not what you've been doing. I don't feel sorry for these people; "

If a system is hard to develop for then the developers will be spending more time just making the game work instead of making the game great. Systems that are hard to develop for tend to fail. the Intel i860 cpu, the apx432, the Connection Machine...
The Itantium is a classic example of how hard to develop for has in impact on success. It floundered early one because the compilers available at launch couldn't generate good code.
"Exclusives are over-rated; that's why you see a lot less of them these days. " So then buy the cheapest system that will play them. That isn't the PS3. To pay a premium for a console there must be software that makes the premium worth while.

While I think the adding of PVR functionality to the PS3 is a good idea it does raise some issues.
1. Can you save the video on other mass storage devices? A home server? an external USB hard drive?
2. Can you use it as a DVR while your playing games? If not then you will miss a show or not get to play a game when you want to.
3. How much DRM will you have put up with? Can I take the show and put it on my PSP? Will I have the option of watching TV with my PSP? Could I forward a port on my fire wall and stream my shows to my PSP anywhere I have wifi? Can I put my shows on my video iPod without a bunch of hacks I get off the internet? Sony's track record makes me think that I will have to give my credit card number each time I watch any show or fast forward a commercial.
4. Will it be a good DVR?
Yes it is nice that a game console can do something besides play games but it needs to play games first. It has to have good games. It has to be fun. It is nice if your car has a good stereo but if it doesn't drive well it is a bad car.

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (1)

Omeger (939765) | more than 7 years ago | (#20081943)

MGS4 is still only coming out for the PS3. There's be no announcement yet about any other platforms.

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (2, Insightful)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079325)

This isn't the first time Sony has talked about something like this. I remember them talking about a DVR for the PS2 as well. In fact, wasn't that what the short-lived "PSX" was? (yes, there was a real product called "PSX" - and it didn't refer to the PS1 prototype.)

However, with set-top boxes required to decrypt non-OTA HD channels, or even use a satellite dish, and the providers now also offer a built-in DVR for only a little more than their non-HD, non-DVR box, is there really a market for this?

As much as I love my old Tivo, I saw its usefulness coming to an end as more and more stations started moving to HD, which in turn would force us to get a set-top-box from whoever our provider would be at that time.

There's also the problem of cost. Even if the PS3 drops to $400 by next year, I can't see this tuner+DVR package costing less than $100. So you're talking $500 for a 80GB DVR/blu-ray player/game console. This also assumes there no additional service fees for the guide data.

I just don't see the justification here. I can't see the DVR functionality being totally independent here - especially if the DVR uses the PS3's existing HDD. So, while you might be able to watch a blu-ray movie while the DVR does its thing, you probably won't be able to play a game - and if that's the case, why bother with this at all? The original reason I bought my Tivo back in 2001 was so that I could play games and NOT have to worry about missing TV shows. It worked out pretty well. I could game whenever I wanted, then I'd watch The Daily Show while I ate dinner.

The other concern I have is that the PS3 isn't exactly a lightweight when it comes to power consumption. DVRs are active 24/7. (although in its defense, I really don't know how much power my HD satellite receiver/DVR eats up either...)

Re:Questions Sony needs to answer (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 7 years ago | (#20086903)

You do know that TiVo has at least 2 models, the Series 3 and the TiVo HD, that not only do HD but work with CableCard specs so that you don't NEED a separate set top box, right? As for being able to play a game while recording, why not? There is ample processing power, or the DVR component could even have a separate co processor to handle encoding/decoding/recording. We just don't know yet.

Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (3, Insightful)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078507)

There's a headline for you. What, they're not supposed to be proud of their invention? A game wasn't unable to fit on a single DVD? If you're going to Sony bash, do it for something valid, like their rootkits, horrible customer service, or the way they managed to destroy Star Wars. Blu-Ray actually isn't bad, so when you gripe about it, it just makes your legitimate gripes look like more bellyaching.

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (3, Funny)

Winckle (870180) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078613)

Star Wars?

Elaborate.

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (1)

karmatic (776420) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078833)

SW:G [sony.com]

'nuff said.

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (1)

Winckle (870180) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079523)

Ah I see. So much potential.

Star Wars Galaxies (1)

BKX (5066) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078869)

'nuff said

You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078715)

You really have to put yourself in Zonk's shoes.

# You just spent the last year or two trashing Sony and the PS3 every single day
# You just spent the last year or two coming up with a bitter spin at the end of every positive Sony news story
# You just spent the last year or two smugly smiling to yourself that you were really fucking Sony over

And now all that effort has been for nothing:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ [amazon.com]

Spewing bitter vile seems to be a pretty expected reaction.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (2, Informative)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078957)

From your link, the PS3 is number one in Amazon sales (not total sales, just those made on Amazon) and the Wii is number two. Also, the PS3 is selling from Amazon direct at retail price while the Wii is only available through third parties at (at least) $75 above retail price. I would imagine these facts are all related in some way.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078985)

Uh, I think the point is that 500 dollar PS3 is either the top selling or close to top selling console item after being trashed multiple times every day by Zonk for the past year while the 360 isn't even in the first page of Amazon top sellers...

Zonk == Fail

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079425)

Actually, the Xbox 360 Elite system is at #19 right now. That's on the first page (1-25).

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (-1, Troll)

antek9 (305362) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080207)

Well, 'actually', it's at #23 right now, which goes to show there's a lot of fluctuation in that list (PS3 boldly defends the top spot, though). Speaking of the 360, elite or not, and having a close look at the picture provided: don't you find it amusing that they depict every minor cable, adapter and what else is within the package, EXCEPT one thing, which is the power brick? Or am I supposed to assume that the power brick is the big box on the left? Very telling, I think. It's not really deceptive marketing, but a rather subtle hiding of some small (eh-heh!) annoyance.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (1)

sxeraverx (962068) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080383)

Annoyance? Thanks to the separate brick (well, at least partially), the PS3 doesn't overheat, unlike some other consoles without bricks that I know.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (1, Funny)

antek9 (305362) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080657)

Come again? I was talking about the 360 package if you didn't read my comment. The 360 has a separate brick, yet does overheat just like my wife sometimes does (which means, a lot). The PS3, on the other hand, doesn't sport either of the problems I mentioned: doesn't have an ugly brick, doesn't overheat (and become a brick, mind the pun). It is cool like me (compared to my wife, that is).

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (0)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080861)

Indeed. The PS3 is pretty small considering all it packs in (namely the PSU.) Mine blows some heat, but even when it was hot in the living room, it just keeps on truckin' - even when running Folding@home for a week straight.

The machine is solid. It might cost a little bit more then other systems, but it's a great piece of hardware. Engineered very well.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (2, Funny)

British (51765) | more than 7 years ago | (#20084971)

When there's not that many games for the PS3, it stands less of a chance of overheating due to less frequent use. It's not a design flaw, it's a feature!

Consequently I run into less problems with Linux than Windows since I only use it as a file & print server! :)

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079307)

Dude, the wii isn't relevant at all, unless you think consoles are like sports teams. The playstation is selling quite well, so is the wii. The wii is competing with the PS2, and Sony won that race before it started... except that they both can win and such a comparison is idiotic.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (2, Insightful)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079411)

Also interesting: there are no PS3 games in that list. There are three Wii games (4 if you count Wii Play), some DS/PS2/360/PC games, but nothing for the PS3 except the controller and remote.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20086739)

Note: there are only two 360 games on that list (top 25) and both of those are pre-orders

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (2, Interesting)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079975)

Cute - another AC unwilling to put his name behind this. If these numbers are so accurate, then why is Halo 3 on that list - twice? Someone's really trying to do some spin himself.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (1)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 7 years ago | (#20084951)

Did you not read the list? Halo 3 is listed 5th on the list, Halo 3 LIMITED EDITION is at 26th. Its becoming common practice for many publishers to release two versions of the boxes for example Myst V and Myst V collecter edition (the latter came with the soundtrack and the next myst book extract) Black & White 2 and Black & White 2 Limited edition (the latter having a making of DVD.) Most of the time these "limited editions" are brought out during release and generally cost exactly the same although the Halo Limited Edition pack is $10 more expesnive than the standard one. The Amazon database is going to see them as two different items so you will have two different listings. Not all places do this Woolworths in the UK group the two on the shelves but the system see's them as two different items, Virgin Megastore in the UK places them in the chart according to sales I remember seeing Myst V Collectors Edition on the top shelf and Myst V on the fourth shelf when it was released.

Nice uniformed point some may suggest your trying to add some spin.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (1)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 7 years ago | (#20084033)

I find it far more interesting that the Wii is 2nd in an hourly chart despite being out of stock

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#20086241)

It regularly claims number 1 (and when it does, a bunch of Wii peripherals often occupy the next few slots) as soon as new stock becomes available. The new stock then sells out within ours, and the Wii falls to second place again, and the peripherals disappear from the top of the list.

If only Nintendo could get production capacity up. They could sell three times as many as they currently do.

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078927)

Umm, dude? 'crow' isn't a negative word.

It just means 'brag'

ie, Sony brags about Blu-ray...

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078959)

Yes, it is.

An article not written by a miserable fanboy fuck like Zonk would read:

"PGR developer problems with DVD space validate Sony's use of BluRay drives"

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20080295)

Wow, dude, that was damn funny! Yeah right, 'brag' is a totally neutral verb that has no denigrating connotations whatsoever. :)

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080813)

Actually, Bizzare Creations has since retracted that statement [bizarrecreations.com] , saying instead that the real reason was they wanted to focus financial resources on a weather system.

Which is all fine and good. "Crowing" about it seems reasonable (as defined as "to gloat, boast, or exult"). I'd hardly call that Bile. Also, Sony did use this slightly thin example to say that their Overpriced-but-with-blu-ray strategy had been vindicated.

Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080907)

At some point you have to interpret tone, and Zonk has never posted anything positive about the PS3. Given that, and the fact that crowing usually is meant in a negative manner, you have to interpret the post as negative.

Also, I'm tired of hearing that the PS3 is overpriced. Is it expensive? Yes. Is it too expensive? For me, yes. Not that I couldn't have one now, but it's way more than I'm willing to pay. The thing is, it's not milk. It's not electricity. You don't need it, so if you're not willing to pay the money then don't pay it. Blu-ray was and still is a new technology, so yeah, it costs a lot. More than it's worth? Hell yes, early adopters are recouping Sony's development cost for them. Is it stupid to do it this way? I dunno. They had to get a product out to compete with Microsoft and Nintendo, so they couldn't spend more development time to make it cheaper, and if their system didn't knock the other two out of the park they were going to fail. Whether they're profitable or not tells whether it was a dumb move, but just because they're dumb doesn't mean they're evil. Whining about it like Sony's somehow screwing you over by either stealing $600 from you or heniously depriving you of a PS3 at the price you think you should pay is just annoying.

This is great but... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078545)

...I feel like all of these changes and additions to the console are just so Sony can justify not lowering the price. I'd rather see them work on the fabbing process for their current console and make it smaller and cheaper.

It is $100 less (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078879)

Just thought you might like to know your wishes have been answered. Well, you and whoever modded you "insightful" asking for something that has already come to pass...

No it's not (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079091)

They're having a firesale of old 40gig units, lowering the price of the 60 gig units to where the 40 were, and adding an 80 gig unit where the 60 gig used to be priced. But they aren't making 40 gig units anymore.

Re:No it's not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079601)

It was 20gig, and you yourself admitted that they were 'lowering the price of the 60 gig units to where the 40[sic] were'. How is that not $100 less?

Re:No it's not (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080061)

The cheapest normally available unit (and the most expensive normally available unit) maintained the same price. What you get for your money increased, but absent getting one of the discontinued models, you cannot get a PS3 for less money. Hence, it is not $100 less.

It's not discontinued though (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#20081261)

If it were discontinued it would be lacking in function in some way. As far as playing games or movies, it is identical to the 80GB model, just with less storage.

Furthermore, what makes you think the 80GB model does not drop $100 as well when they run out of the current ones?

Obviously the price is here to stay, regardless of what people such as yourself looking for an excuse to bash Sony have to say.

Re:It's not discontinued though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20082743)

If it were discontinued it would be lacking in function in some way.
Uh, what? It's discontinued as in they arent MAKING it anymore. When the current supply sells, it's gone. For good. That's was discontinued means.

Furthermore, what makes you think the 80GB model does not drop $100 as well when they run out of the current ones?
Answer: Sony has said this outright. The 80GB model will not be $100 cheaper. At least not right away.

I couldnt care less about sony or MS, but seriously were you drunk when you made this post?

Re:This is great but... (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080309)

So, with the exception of the rumored $50 price drop (which could occur)... what are they adding over in Redmond to not lower the price of their console?

I'd rather see Microsoft fix the flaw in theirs, too. (and I agree... Sony can cheapen it over time, like the PS2... it just takes time...)

Re:This is great but... (1)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 7 years ago | (#20086149)

Word I'm hearing is:

Well, the good news is that they've started to fix the flaw. They're adding another heatsink and a heatpipe to consoles that are returned for RROD repairs.

The bad news is that the turnaround time on repairs has also increased to 6-8 /weeks/!

New Xbox360 elites from manufacture batches after 7/23 have the 65nm chip and the quieter Benq drives.

However, there are a lot of Xbox360 premiums, so they are going to be clearing all the older ones out into the retail channel before 65nm premium bundles start to show up in stores. I don't know if those will also have the quieter Benq drives. And I'm guessing all those still in the retail channel are still the flawed 90nm ones so people buying those will end up running in the RROD and have to go through the warranty process down the line.

Re:This is great but... (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080877)

And I feel like you're spreading FUD. I'm glad they keep making the PS3 better. I was happy when it was just a game console. Now it's a media player, upscaling DVD player, and soon a DVR. How cool is that?

PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs!!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078553)

What the hell did people expect to happen when Microsoft made the inane decision to be the first console maker ever to actually ship a system with LESS storage space than a previous generation.

Atari 2600
NES - more storage space compared to previous gen
Genesis - more storage space compared to previous gen
N64 - more storage space compared to previous gen
Playstation - more storage space compared to previous gen
PS2/Xbox - more storage space compared to previous gen
PS3 - more storage space compared to previous gen

360 - 1 gig LESS storage than the previous gen

Microsoft is fucked and they have only themselves to blame for screwing up last gen and being forced to rush a defective and storage gimped console out to market.

Babbling about 'compression' or 'lazy developers'
Or crying
Or flaming
Or whatever isn't going to change the fact that Microsoft is

FUCKED

when it comes to storage this gen.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (2, Informative)

ironwill96 (736883) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078567)

I do so hate responding to AC's, but just wanted to point out a fatal flaw in your argument. The 360 has a 20 GB base hard drive, some of which is taken up by system storage etc, but I know on my hard drive right now I have 14 GB free, odd if I only have a 7GB drive. Get your facts straight.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078617)

No the 360 does not have a 20 gig base harddrive. Some 360s have harddrives, some don't. Every 360 game is required to run without a harddrive(except some European sports game).

That is why Rockstar has been complaining about what a nightmare being forced to support the gimped 360 is.

And regardless of the lack of a standard harddrive, nothing is ever going to change the fact that the 360 has a gig less storage compared to the PS2 and Xbox last gen.

That is so amazingly pathetic that only a company like Microsoft could ever be that dumb.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078777)

nightmare, minor complaint. same deal, eh?

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (1)

ironwill96 (736883) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078795)

Ok assuming you bought the actual version with the hard drive (most people do), here it is on Amazon.Com in the header for ya: http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Console-20GB-Hard-Drive /dp/B000B43OY4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3708007-6314047 ?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1186008321&sr=8-1 [amazon.com] Note where it says "Includes 20 GB Hard Drive". That is THE STANDARD size hard drive in the Premium SKU (the $399 model with the hard drive). In the new black "Elite" SKU they include 120GB Hard drives.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079381)

Yes, yes, but there's also a "360 Core" SKU which doesn't include a HDD at all.

This was solely created as a side-effect of Microsoft thinking that the PS3 was going to originally cost about $400. This way, Microsoft could point to the stupid Core unit and truthfully say "the 360 is cheaper."

And despite the appearance of the Elite, the Core is still going to be sold for the foreseeable future.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (2, Insightful)

Eivind (15695) | more than 7 years ago | (#20082101)

It's ridicolous though, isn't it ? a *20*GB HD ? And the console is *new* can you even imagine how ridicolous that will look in 3-4 years ? Can you even -get- them that small in retail if you try these days ? Sorta like how a 16MB memory-card today retails for aproximately the same price as a 2GB usb-memory (a factor of 128 bigger !)

Yeah, I know they're laptop-drives, which gives miniscule bang-for-buck compared to 3.5" ones, but still.... 120GB is about standard for a new laptop these days, certainly not "ultra elite premium"

For a PVR, with HD, especially one costing $700 or something I'd want a 500GB-drive or similar. Or failing that, at a minimum, the opportunity of hooking up same by way of NAS or USB and have that utilised.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (1)

kosanovich (678657) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078853)

The 360 base system (also called the core system) doesn't have any harddrive. If you buy one of the others then you would have an HD with 20 or 120 gigs depending on the model.

However if you take a minute and look at the AC's post it is pretty obvious that he's not talking about harddrive space. PS2 didn't have 4 gigs of HD space, the PS3 doesn't have any 25/50 gig models. Then when you look at all the other systems listed in his post they did not come with any form of HD. It's pretty clear he's talking about optical drive storage. It looks like he's saying the PS2 had single layer DVD == 4gigs, Xbox dual layer dvd == 8gigs, PS3 blu-ray which is 25 gigs per layer, and he's saying that the 360 has a DVD that only holds 7 gigs.

I have no idea why the 360 would only be able to use 7 gigs per side of the dvd but that's what i infer from his post, and i could probably go google the answer but i really don't care at all.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078911)

The PS2 had a standard dual layer DVD drive that supported 4GB for single layer discs and 8GB for dual layer discs.

The Xbox had the same storage space as the PS2.

The PS3 has a BluRay drive that supports 25GB for single layer discs and 50GB for dual layer discs.

The Xbox 360 has a standard dual layer DVD drive that supports 3.5GB for single layers discs and 7GB for dual layer discs.

There is some sort of DRM/security reason that around a gigabyte of storage is used on 360 discs. The exact details have never been revealed as far as I know.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20081001)

I'm assuming you're the same person who posted about this last time, so:

Can you PLEASE provide a link that corroborates this, that isn't a two year old Digg article and isn't the Wikipedia?

Otherwise, I think you're full of it. There's no way a DRM scheme would waste that much space. I think you're confusing "dummy files" with DRM.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20081185)

I do so hate responding to AC's [...]
Sigh. If we ACs had modpoints I'd mod down 5 random comments of yours for that.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20078961)

Thats all well and good, but who really cares about the DVD space when there still aren't ANY games worth buying for the PS3. I've had one for 8 months and I've bought Resistance and Motorstorm - both games were meant to be AAA titles, yet they suck bigtime compared to the games I've played on my friends Wii.

My PS3 sits in the corner getting dusty, while I'm around at my friends house playing on his Wii and 360, because they have some great AAA games.

I'm really starting to regret putting down $600 for this overhyped console - especially when I look at the release list for the next 6 months - Hot Shots Golf and Lair? Yay - Lair has already proven to play like crap, and I can't stand golf.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079009)

Dude, take some FUD lessons for the sake of us all. Reading that attempt at a PS3 flame was like having to listen to someone trying to play as Sax for the first time.

Here's a free tip to get you started with posting quality FUD in the future:

FUD needs to be either funny or biting or even better both. But never retarded, like yours.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079127)

Yes, but even with the horrific sound of a beginning sax player, you can at least respect the fact that they're trying. Makes you wonder if this guy takes absolutely no pride in the craftsmanship of his FUD or if he's just a giant douche bag.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079389)

Dude, whats FUD about it?

Hey said there are no AAA titles on the PS3 - he was right. Go to IGN if you want, even their SONY fan boy PS3 editor admits that there aren't any great games.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy is correct - we have nothing on PS3 that compares to stuff like Wii Sports, Gears of War or Twilight Princess.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs (5, Insightful)

flewp (458359) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079089)

Well, there's just not any games YOU like for the PS3.

I know a few people who are plenty happy with a few games for their PS3s.

For what it's worth, I'm not buying a PS3 until there's a few more must have games that interest me. I'm also hoping this will coincide with a price a drop, because while I think the PS3 is fairly priced, it's still too much for budget, given I'd probably only use it to play games. (I have no desire to run Linux, etc) If they add in DVR+TV Tuning, and keep the price the same, I might be more interested though.

I also don't really remember any games for the XBox360 coming out in it's first year that made me want to get one. In fact, there's still no games out for it that make me want to get one. Isn't it kind of the natural way of things for really great games to take a year or more to come out after a system's launch? I know there's exceptions, but on the whole, the majority of good games for the past few generations of systems seem to have, for the most part, come out well after the system has launched. (hooray for excessively long sentences)

Sony making a PVR (2, Insightful)

chazard (1072442) | more than 7 years ago | (#20078725)

With their history of unfriendly DRM (think atrac3 and rootkit history) from Sony, I think I will steer far, far away from any DVR functionality that would likely cost me a few hundred dollars to use the existing harddrive in a P3S.
Mind you the idea of running Myth on it could be pretty cool.
C

Re:Sony making a PVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079441)

Compared to Nintendo and Microsoft, Sony is the least DRM-y console maker.

Don't forget that the PS3 is opened up for me to develop on, I can copy music and stream many files, I can play stuff on my PSP bought for my PS3. PS3 games are region free, and it's trivially easy to play thousands of nintendo and MAME games on my PS3. Of course, it's not perfect by a long shot, as I can't use the GPU and Sony's otyher divisions have made major errors (such as the root-kit crap, which Sony has already paid its price for).

I think Sony deals more fairly with competitors than Nintendo (sony wouldn't even be in the game industry had Nintendo followed through with their CD idea, which they didn't because of their DRM obsessions). I think Sony deals with third parties pretty well too (I doubt they ever paid 50 million dollars to cripple a game like GTA 4 on other systems).

Sony isn't perfect, but if Microsoft wins, gamers lose big. Games will be subscription based and DRM will be so much worse. If nentendo wins, we will see a return to the "glory days" of the NES and SNES, where developers are forced to limit production of games regardless of quality so that Nintendo can rake in more money with their games. Thankfully, it's not possible for any console make to "win," but all the talk about Sony being the DRM and evil company is ridiculous in the context of Nintendo and Microsoft.

Re:Sony making a PVR (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079581)

> if Microsoft wins, gamers lose big. Games will be subscription based and DRM will be so much worse.

I can't speak for DRM, since Sony is just as bad (hell, even the _games_ turn on HDCP), but what makes you think MS is going to do anything to piss off the third party developers for its console? Hell, the 360 has XNA, which is a limited API to be sure, but at least it can use the GPU.

Re:Sony making a PVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20082211)

Oh I dunno, maybe their 20 year track record of very unethical and, in many cases illegal, business practices? Embrace, extend, extinguish?

Can't Wait (1)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079179)

Soon my PS3 will be all of the following:

- 1080P Upscaling DVD Player
- Web Browser
- Blu-Ray Player
- DVR
- PS1 Game Player
- PS2 Game Player
- PS3 Game Player

You really can't argue with the value the PS3 presents. I hope they do the DVR right.

Re:Can't Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079219)

Cool, can you let me know when some decent games come out for it?

Until then I'll keep playing with my Wii. Did you know that Zelda TP has sold more copies than PS3's have been sold?

Re:Can't Wait (2, Insightful)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079283)

Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Resistance and Motorstorm are all great games. Lately I've been playing MLB 2007 The Show and it's great too. I still love NBA 2K7 and little downloadable games like Super Rub a Dub. I think your assertion that PS3 has no games is without merit.

Re:Can't Wait (2, Insightful)

kosanovich (678657) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079803)

This is such a stupid troll. "let me know when some decent games come out"?? Yeah let me tell you when a game that you like comes out. If you don't like any of the games on a system then that's fine, don't go out and buy one! I personally look at the releases coming for the Wii between now and the end of the year and the games that i want to play on it are Metroid (because of the hype, not that i think i'll love it all that much), Mario galaxies, and bully (have the PS2 version but want to see what they add).

At the same time when i look at the PS3 releases during the same time i want to play: Lair, warhawk, heavenly sword, stranglehold, skate, ratchet and clank, folklore, GTA IV, Army of Two, Assassins Creed, Haze, Mercenaries 2, Rock Band, and Uncharted.

Now i look at those two list and the PS3 looks a whole lot more appealing to me than the Wii... what does that mean for you? Absolutely nothing. Once again if you don't like the games then don't buy them, i promise the government isn't _yet_ to the point where they will come to your house and break your knees if you don't buy something.

Re:Can't Wait (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080517)

Considering how badly they've done everything else... don't hold your breath.

HDTV with PS3? (1)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 7 years ago | (#20081693)

I wonder if they will come out with an HDTV that has the PS3, DVR, internet browsing, or shopping (or games and movies) functionality built in to it.

I bet the remote for it will suck ass. Won't they build a simpler remote with one or two OLED buttons and/or a touch dial ipod style like the appletv has -- especially if the menus appear on screen? Ideally it would also feature a "touch a button and speak" voice activated remote control capability.

blu-ray (0, Redundant)

Moniker42 (1131485) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079345)

"It was totally worth it" they say? I want some games to play on this effing over-expensive monolithic black tablet taking up all the space on my desk - it's been sitting there turned off for about two months now!

Re:blu-ray (1)

antek9 (305362) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080441)

The utter stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. Stop trolling, you don't own a PS3, and no one is forcing you to. Are we cool now?

Re:blu-ray (1)

Moniker42 (1131485) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080623)

Umm... actually I do own a PS3? I don't think what i said was irrelevant (if that's why you're saying i'm trolling) because for all Sony's lauding of the capabilities of blu-ray there still aren't any (in my opinion) particularly worthwhile games out yet.

Re:blu-ray (1)

antek9 (305362) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080709)

That's too bad for you then. But would you mind to elaborate why you bought a PS3 in the first place if there weren't any games within reach that might interest you? Just curious.

Re:blu-ray (2, Insightful)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080911)

Why did you buy it?

I use mine all the time. It's good enough at all it does to avoid putting a PC under the TV, which I find great. Ohh, and the games I've purchased are great, too.

Re:blu-ray (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#20081293)

I want some games to play on this effing over-expensive monolithic black tablet taking up all the space on my desk - it's been sitting there turned off for about two months now!
There are 22 games listed at ign.com reviewed at 8 or higher.

There are another 24 in the seven range.

May I suggest visiting a store where they sell games? They have them both online and at your local mall. I've heard games are also available at larger retailers.

Good luck in your search!

Re:blu-ray (3, Informative)

Slothy (17409) | more than 7 years ago | (#20082157)

I'm not a PS3 hater, I just wanted to see the games that are 8+. I went to IGN and I saw these:
(here's the URL: http://ps3.ign.com/index/reviews.html?constraint.n ot_null.article.overall_rating=is_true&ordering.or der=desc&ordering.attribute=article.review_date&co nstraint.max_rows=40&constraint.locale=us&sort.att ribute=article.overall_rating&sort.order=desc [ign.com] )

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Action 9.3 Jun 29, 2007
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The RPG 9.2 Mar 26, 2007
MotorStorm [AU] Racing 8.9 Mar 22, 2007
Ninja Gaiden Sigma [AU] Action 8.8 Jul 4, 2007
Super Stardust HD Shooter 8.7 Jul 2, 2007
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas Shooter 8.7 Jun 27, 2007
Super Stardust HD [UK] Shooter 8.5 Jun 21, 2007
Super Stardust HD [AU] Shooter 8.5 Jun 20, 2007
Calling All Cars! Action 8.5 Apr 25, 2007
Resistance: Fall of Man [AU] Shooter 8.4 Mar 27, 2007
F.E.A.R. Shooter 8.1 Apr 20, 2007
Bigs, The Sports 8.0 Jun 26, 2007
Resistance: Fall of Man [UK] Shooter 8.0 Mar 22, 2007

There are only 13 lines there, and there are multiple lines for one game. So if you eliminate the multiple listings, you get:

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Action 9.3 Jun 29, 2007
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The RPG 9.2 Mar 26, 2007
MotorStorm [AU] Racing 8.9 Mar 22, 2007
Super Stardust HD Shooter 8.7 Jul 2, 2007
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas Shooter 8.7 Jun 27, 2007
Calling All Cars! Action 8.5 Apr 25, 2007
Resistance: Fall of Man [AU] Shooter 8.4 Mar 27, 2007
F.E.A.R. Shooter 8.1 Apr 20, 2007
Bigs, The Sports 8.0 Jun 26, 2007

So down to 9. Which is actually cool, 9 good games on a platform in the first year is a great thing. I'm just wondering about the 22 thing. Is this URL wrong, or lacking games that you found elsewhere?

Re:blu-ray (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 7 years ago | (#20082495)

My method was to go to IGN and count the 8s and 9s in their review section. I did notice there were many duplicates for AU and UK and tried to skip them but honestly I wasn't very careful and I have had [hic] a beer or two.

Here for the 8-9 for example. [ign.com]

Being more careful this time I get 16 at 8-9 and 3 at 9+. So 19, not 22. Whoops. But still, anybody who says "my PS3 collects dust because there are no good games" has their head firmly up their ass.

Re:blu-ray (1)

LoveMe2Times (416048) | more than 7 years ago | (#20083059)

But still, anybody who says "my PS3 collects dust because there are no good games" has their head firmly up their ass.


You are neglecting an important point: this is slashdot. I'm not trying to say that dotters are capricious but that our tastes are, on average, not aligned with mainstream. Based on your own reference, it would be very reasonable to expect a significant number of slashdotters to think that the PS3 has no good games. There are several reasons a dotter might feel this way:


  1. In the context of this discussion, people are talking about full retail games. StarDust and Calling All Cars don't count.
  2. Slashdotters, on average, do not overlap with the fratboy crowd and don't share their tastes. In particular, despite significant popular appeal, sports titles are often derided around here. Any sports title therefore doesn't count, and lops off about half the the games from contention.
  3. On average, slashdotters who have PS3s have capable gaming PCs too. For them, anything their PC can do better doesn't count. This includes all FPSs and games that have direct PC ports, in particular from this list Oblivion.
  4. As avid gamers in general, rehashes or re-releases of games from previous generation consoles don't count. Therefore Ninja Gaiden doesn't count.

That's trimmed the list from 19 to 4 games that you might expect the average slashdotter to care about on the PS3:


  1. Need for Speed
  2. MotorStorm
  3. Virtua Fighter
  4. Tekken

See the problem here? Two racing games and two fighters, both close cousins of the sports genre popular amongst the fratboy crowd. While these genres might be considered "worth playing," they will probably struggle to be considered "good games" and almost certainly wouldn't be AAA or system sellers amongst this crowd.


So sure, the mainstream crowd might find some good games, it's not in the least bit surprising to me if slashdotters see nothing but crap.



Re:blu-ray (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#20083241)

By the way, Tekken is a download game, not a retail one. Not that I think there's anything wrong with that, by the way; as a 360 owner I seem to spend as much time on Carcassonne and Geometry Wars as I do on Forza 2 and Crackdown.

Re:blu-ray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20084451)

You forgot Resistance and The Darkness. Just curious, since you seemed to have really captured the essence of the average slashdotter, could you provide examples of what are "good games" for the 360?

Re:blu-ray (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 7 years ago | (#20085233)

I just want to know who all these overpaid people are that think they're going to play more games a year than this. At $70 each with no price drop yet, I own Oblivion, Resistance and Motorstorm and that's it for my budget till closer to Christmas. Then it'll be a toss-up for Ratchet or Lair or something.

There aren't hundreds or thousands of good games for the PS3, but there are quite a few and considering it hasn't been out a year yet, that's pretty impressive. Does anyone remember what the original games for the PS2 were like? Now compare with God of War 2 and think about that a minute.

Re:blu-ray (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 7 years ago | (#20086587)

Shit, I've been playing just Oblivion since April and still haven't finished the damn thing.

It does end, right?

Microsoft's one not a DVR... (3, Informative)

spectecjr (31235) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079353)

The future of the PS3 itself seems to have changes coming too: a television tuner and DVR functionality looks to be in the offing for the console. Microsoft announced similar plans earlier this year, but there are no firm dates for either company's use of the console

Microsoft's one doesn't look like a DVR - but is instead IPTV [wikipedia.org] - it remains to be seen what recording features it will have, but presumably it can work in the background over the network the way that Live downloads work now; as it's multicast, there's probably enough bandwidth for it to come in over your regular network connection without really affecting your transfer rates for other data. Sony's looks like it plans to use an over the air tuner, and even weirder, looks like it's set to be used for Freeview [wikipedia.org] (there's also a NZ equivalent).

Re:Microsoft's one not a DVR... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20081651)

as it's multicast, there's probably enough bandwidth for it to come in over your regular network connection without really affecting your transfer rates for other data.
multicast is not some magical bandwidth reducing tech. In network backbones it's great, but all the packets still have to be delivered over the last mile of cable to your house. Besides, how many ISPs actually support multicast all the way into the premises?

Nice Start (1)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 7 years ago | (#20079765)

But I'll wait till I can see clearly theres no DRM problems.
And then I'll wait for a price drop.
And then I'll wait to see if Blu-ray becomes dominant/affordable.
And then I'll wait for some really good games to come out. ...And then I'll get a PS4 ;)

Re:Nice Start (1)

Faylone (880739) | more than 7 years ago | (#20082165)

Now, the PS4 may be going to be the best console that ever has been or ever will be made ever, but you're assuming it's not going to be even worse than than the PS3 is.

Re:Nice Start (1)

Mark Gillespie (866733) | more than 7 years ago | (#20082843)

Have fun waiting, as PS4 is due in 8-10 years time.

I think you are confusing Xbox release cycles with PS3 release cycles.

Here is a cut out and keep easy reminder.

Historic Console Lifespan:

Xbox 3-4 years
Playstation 7 - 10 years
Nintendo 5 - 6 years

Frankly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20079955)

I'm abit pissed off about this laziness, in the past nintendo has taken absolute crap specs and solved every problem by sheer will power and enginuity, getting amazing performance for the specs. I hate the way sony acts like they actualy currently need the data, I'm yet to be convinced that any of the games couldn't be fit in 4 gigabytes, maybe 5, but that game designers aren't just filling the space because they can. I think of it this way, if 8 bit dispalys were as easy to get as 6 bit displays originally, we wouldn't have such advanced dithering (poor example, but you get the jist). Plus, if they aren't doing smart things to cut down on data, likelihood is that the data is all gonna take ages to be read by the Blu-Ray drives, which aren't any faster!

.kkrieger (1)

sssssss27 (1117705) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080031)

I'm sure the guys behind .kkrieger are happy they went with BluRay...

http://212.202.219.162/kkrieger [212.202.219.162]

"Sony Crows" Wait until..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20080117)

....they have to eat it.
  and im a ps3 owner, i just couldn't resist a good joke in a place where it would get a good laugh.

All this for $599.99+$99+$149+$X (0, Flamebait)

photomonkey (987563) | more than 7 years ago | (#20080905)

This seems to me like Sony scrambling to offer SOME feature that will move these things off the store shelves. What next? A toaster and removable HDD MP3 player?

Games, guys, games. That's what this thing is made to do. And right now, nearly a year after launch, the titles are the same old crap. And crap available already on other platforms too.

Fuck you Zonk. (0, Flamebait)

TommyBear (317561) | more than 7 years ago | (#20084425)

Fuck you and the bile that you spew forth and your stupid fucking lame tags.

thanks but no thanks.. (1)

MXPS (1091249) | more than 7 years ago | (#20085735)

Why does everyone care about a DVR, web browser, and the George Forman Grill adapter for the ps3? I know most people including myself; buy a system to play games. That's what matters to most people. I can already record TV shows and other things on the 3 DVRS in my house and I can surf the internet on one of my 4 computers. If you can afford to buy a ps3, you probably already have a DVR and/or a computer, so what's the point of have and paying for a 100 useless options which you already have and can do (and probably much better) without the ps3? Give me some good, quality exclusive games and i'll buy another ps3.
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