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KDE 4.0 Beta 1 Released

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the and-they-are-just-giving-it-away-this-time dept.

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dbhost writes "Along with this morning's cup of coffee and log reviews, I discovered that the KDE team is moving forward with a long awaited beta release of KDE 4.0 beta release of KDE 4.0. The most interesting item I found in the notes is that the file manager in KDE is being separated from Konqueror into a component called Dolphin. Also, according to the announcement, konsole has been treated to a number of improvements such as split view, and history highlighting."

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1992 Called (-1, Offtopic)

1992 Called (893858) | more than 6 years ago | (#20092985)

They want their functioning non-corrupt USA back.

Re:1992 Called (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093955)

You do realize that by invoking your "[previous year] called" joke, you're saying that they want what we have today -- implying that today's USA is both functioning and non-corrupt. So... either you don't understand your "1992 called" joke, or you haven't been paying attention.

New to Linux (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093021)

I am considering using the KDE kernal. Is it good for downloading porn ?

Re:New to Linux (2, Funny)

benjcurry (754899) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093697)

Short answer: Yes.

Re:New to Linux (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094281)

It's really lousy for downloading Gnome Porn, but other types of porn it's OK for.

KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (5, Informative)

rg3 (858575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093029)

The KDE developers have been reminding people that KDE4 is not KDE 4.0. KDE 4.0 will be the first release in the KDE4 series. All the promised features won't be there in the initial version, and some of them will have to wait until KDE 4.1 or KDE 4.2. It never hurts to remind this, for all the people who have very high expectations.

(1) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093121)

n/t

Already I'm conused. (1)

nobodyman (90587) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093307)

Sorry, you lost me. Sun did something similar, by naming the framework "Java5" while the JVM/JDK was v1.5. Is it the same thing going on here? is KDE4 the "suite" and KDE 4.0 the API?

Re:Already I'm conused. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093367)

KDE 4 is the entire 4.y.z series. KDE 4.0 refers to just the 4.0.z versions.

Re:Already I'm conused. (1)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093443)

Sorry, you lost me. Sun did something similar, by naming the framework "Java5" while the JVM/JDK was v1.5. Is it the same thing going on here? is KDE4 the "suite" and KDE 4.0 the API?

I don't think it's quite that bad. It looks as though KDE 4.x basically approaches KDE4 for increasing values of x; in other words, KDE4 is the end goal for the entire KDE 4.x release series.

Re:Already I'm conused. (4, Informative)

rg3 (858575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093559)

No, sorry if that was confusing. I meant to say that KDE4 is a generic name for KDE 4.x, the whole release series (or branch, if you prefer). When the KDE developers talked about everything KDE4 will have, some people were left thinking that all the promised features will be in the KDE 4.0 release, and this is not the case. They should not think the KDE4 developers have lied and in the end left out all those features. KDE 4.0 will have all (or most) the underlying technologies needed to deliver the promised features, but some features will not appear inmediately. Instead, you may have to wait until KDE 4.1 (or 4.2, or ...) to enjoy them.

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (5, Funny)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093317)

The KDE developers have been reminding people that KDE4 is not KDE 4.0. KDE 4.0 will be the first release in the KDE4 series. All the promised features won't be there in the initial version, and some of them will have to wait until KDE 4.1 or KDE 4.2. It never hurts to remind this, for all the people who have very high expectations.

Yes folks! Brought to you by the same guys who brought us USB "High Speed" and USB "Full Speed", as well as the single-core "Core2" chip, not to be confused with the "Core2 Duo" chip, which actually is dual-core. (It's obvious - you have to look for TWO words that mean two before you actually get TWO. Sort of a "2+2=2, for extremely low values of 2" kinda thang)

Given this scenario, most people would call it "KDE 4.0 Pre" or "KDE 4.0 alpha" or something like that... but that would make SENSE so let's not confuse the issue, shall we? This is KDE4, but it's NOT KDE 4.

Or something.

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (4, Funny)

BabyDave (575083) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093739)

Would you prefer it if we call this one Expanded KDE, and the 4.1 release Extended KDE?

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (0, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094083)

I would personally prefer it if you the KDE development team didn't try to sell vaporware. I'm trying to think of a generous reason for this deliberate piece of confusion, but all I'm coming up with are negative explanations.

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (-1, Redundant)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094575)

How the fuck is the flamebait?

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (3, Insightful)

Indecision Bob (52021) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094585)

The operative word being "sell"...

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (5, Interesting)

Karellen (104380) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094151)

No, these are going to be polished releases, so are definitely deserving of the full "4.0" number. You missed the 2 Alphas, that was a while ago. This is the Beta, which is ready for some slightly more widespread testing, but not guaranteed to be completely stable. The "pre" releases, or release candidates, which should be around next month, should be almost there with only minor bugfixes in place.

All they mean is that KDE 4.0 will not have all the features that later releases of KDE 4 will have.

The point is that this is *not* commercial software, where version x.0 contains all the features you're ever going to get, and x.1, x.2, etc... just contain bug fixes and possibly a bit more shiny clip-art. I don't know if "release early, release often" can be applied to a project that's been 2 years in the making already, but if they waited until they'd written everything they could possibly think of into KDE4 before they released it, they'd probably *never* release it!

Yes, they've got a whole load more interesting ideas that will get added to future KDE 4 releases. New minor versions will have cool new functionality. They just haven't had time to do it all at once.

KDE 3.5 has a hell of a lot more stuff that KDE 3.0. But I'm glad they released KDE 3.0 in April 2002 instead of waiting until November 2005 to push it all out at once.

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (1)

ljaguar (245365) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094279)

are you absolutely sure there was such a thing as core 2 solo?

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (1)

Propaganda13 (312548) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094801)

AFAIK, Core 2 Solo was originally thought to be the step between between Core Solo and Core 2 Duo for desktop processors, but I don't believe Intel made these. Next month, Intel is supposed to be releasing ULV processors U2100 and U2200 which are supposed to be Core 2 Solo processors.

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094765)

This is exactly the problem with Linux. Finish something before you release it, for God's sake. The openSuSE KDE 4 Live CD is fucking horrible. Almost nothing works. It is an alpha release, but who even wants to see it when it's this fooked? (Me of course...but anyway)

Re:KDE4 != KDE 4.0 (1)

Shadowlore (10860) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094173)

Yet the download link on the KDE page calls it "KDE 4.0 beta"

ambitious (4, Interesting)

SolusSD (680489) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093063)

The KDE project is *very* ambitious, especially the feature set for KDE4. Hopefully this turns some heads over in the gnome camp. IMHO they have a LOT of catching up to do in everything from infrustructure to performance.

Re:ambitious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093149)

Who needs to catch up... KDE or Gnome?

Re:ambitious (1)

SolusSD (680489) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093231)

Who needs to catch up... KDE or Gnome?

sorry, i was suggesting Gnome needs to catch up.

Re:ambitious (2, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093741)

Really?

I sort of thought that Gnome was beginning to edge KDE out after a few years of KDE being somewhat superior.

Right now, Gnome is lean, mature, and stable, even on relatively old hardware. As an added bonus, Gnome's GUI is clean and consistent compared to KDE's (not to mention that they've resisted the temptation to add 80 million configuration options to the menus and toolbars of every single one of their apps).

My other usability pet peeve with KDE is its heavy reliance on toolbars with dozens of nondescript blue icons. Even for experienced users, it's a bit daunting.

If you really want to take the minimalism to the next level, try out XFCE. It's more or less a very lightweight Gnome (sort of analogous to the early versions of Firefox versus SeaMonkey) that also uses GTK2. It's incredibly snappy even on old hardware, and the UI is fantastic (and pretty good-looking if I might add). I'd compare the UI to a vastly improved Windows 95 (or 2000), with a few mac-like touches thrown in. It does everything I need it to, reacts in ways that you'd expect it to, and just plain works.

The other guy in my cubible has a brand-new PC with Vista on it, and comments on how much faster my 6-year old PC appears than his.

Re:ambitious (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093887)

GNOME project is a big shit
GTK toolkit is retro
GObject compared to plain c++ is orrible
the entire desktop is featureless
Gconf ? no thanks
KDE is better gnome die die hahahhahaha

Re:ambitious (2, Interesting)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094247)

I have yet to meet a single person who really likes the user interface of Gnome, sorry, but it is like that, everyone I know switches to kde as soon as ubuntu is installed. Anyway, as for lean, kde has done a lot of improvement in the past, compare both desktops and kde feels snappy why gnome, while not being the useless bloated pig it used to be feels still sluggish compared to it. As for the rest, the kparts, kobject infrastructure is consistent, well defined one of the cleanest apis I have seen. Gnome started as a Win32 wannabe project, and it still suffers from that syndrome, it has become better, but still. As for the usability, kde is improving, it still has some areas to catch up, but fortunately it does not follow gnomes approach of taking everything away, but trying to get to saner defaults, and then let the users decide what to add. Even the move to a new file manager in kde4 is not the ultimat we shove it down the users throat thing, lots of users are very happy with the flexibility of konquerer, and it still will be there.

Re:ambitious (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093169)

Yes, open source projects love to talk about their 'big plans'. Making 'big plans' is so much fun, new stories on Slashdot where you get praised for being so ambitious, grandiose roadmaps to have the fans chearing, and so.

After all sitting around a desk for 8-12 hours a day fixing real problems that users have been complaining for years with desktop Linux requires serious and tedious work. Who the fuck wants to do that when you aren't getting paid?

Re:ambitious (0, Flamebait)

SolusSD (680489) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093205)

obviously you don't use open source software as you've shown a complete misunderstanding of how the development process works.. also-- KDE 4.0 is in beta, most of the *ambitious* features HAVE been implemented... msfanboi? is that you?

Re:ambitious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093351)

Re:ambitious (1)

eldepeche (854916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094853)

u cant spel

Re:ambitious (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093811)

First they have to deliver on those promises though, in any case I've always felt that KDE has a bit broader scope than Gnome. Maybe it's just perception but I get the impression KDE is trying to be so much more than a GUI library, a honking big framework for all sorts of backend stuff. Almost so that every KDE program interfaces with KDElibs, KDElibs interfaces with everything else. It doesn't really make any extra cool features, but I think it will win out in the end for consistncy, interoperability and better cross-application settings.

Re:ambitious (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094463)

The KDE project is *very* ambitious, especially the feature set for KDE4. Hopefully this turns some heads over in the gnome camp. IMHO they have a LOT of catching up to do in everything from infrustructure to performance.
Gnome has to make a clear statement that "Mono" or "Silverlight" (whatever its port is called) will NEVER be part of it. It won't be required by ANY of system components and it won't do anything as "If you get Silverlight, your desktop will be prettier".

It is not about performance, it is about a person in development team doing everything to be called trojan of Microsoft in OSS community.

He also happens to be founder so.. that is the problem.

KDE Four Live CD (4, Informative)

dotpavan (829804) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093067)

For those who dont want to install and test, here is an OpenSuse based KDE Live CD [kde.org]

Re:KDE Four Live CD (5, Funny)

Spudtrooper (1073512) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093315)

I'll wait until it's been integrated with Kubuntu 12.04 (Octagonal Ocelot), thankyouverymuch.

Re:KDE Four Live CD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093503)

No, it'll be stable by "Lefthand Lubricant" for sure.

Re:KDE Four Live CD (4, Informative)

Burz (138833) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093585)

I know that was just a joke, but KDE4 prereleases are already being made available by the Kubuntu team for 7.04 and 7.10.

Re:KDE Four Live CD (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093567)

Wow, it almost looks as good as Enlightenment!

I bet it is a lot slower though! :-D

I seriously wish that E17 had more devs on it.

Re:KDE Four Live CD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093653)

Wow! looks a lot like a cross between MacOSX and Vista.

No thanks. I prefer KDE 3.x as-is. Unless I can make it LOOK the same.

Re:KDE Four Live CD (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093759)

I prefer KDE 3.x as-is. Unless I can make it LOOK the same.
those screenshots look pretty customized. these ones [thecodingstudio.com] , which i assume are the default, look much more like KDE3.

Re:KDE Four Live CD (1)

Anarke_Incarnate (733529) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093971)

My gripe, albeit a small one, is that they chose a generic drive (a hard drive, too) to be used as any drive. In this case, the floppy drive is represented by a hard disk drive. That just looks.....amateurish. If it can tell it is an fd device instead of an hd or sd device, they should treat it as such and have a 2nd icon.

Re:KDE Four Live CD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094747)

This is an early beta. I'm sure that the icons will be more polished by the time the actual release hits the internet. There are certainly different HD and floppy icons for the 3.x branch of KDE.

Fuck yeah (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093107)

the file manager in KDE is being separated from Konqueror

This had always pissed me off with KDE. Mixing a file manager with a web browser? Not very UNIX-like.

Now I am a happy nerd.

Re:Fuck yeah (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093371)

Mixing a file manager with a web browser? Not very UNIX-like.

I don't know - I thought it was pretty unixy. After all, it had one basic job description: asking one backend to fetch some information from various and sundry sources, then asking another to render it appropriately. It wrapped a whole lot of functionality, but Konqueror itself didn't do much more than pass data from one KPart to another and provide bookmarks.

Re:Fuck yeah (3, Insightful)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093717)

I disagree.

I think that one of the most revolutionary end-user paradigm shifts that Microsoft ever did was to compiler Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer into one.

Think about it. The Internet, a seamless extension of your desktop. Why shift between the two? When broadband first came out, everything clicked into place, and I understood the eloquence of having IE and Explorer as one. Pick a window, type a website, get my data. Hit back. On my hard drive again.

Konqueror accomplishes this to even a greater extent. KDE has horrible UI in so many places, but they got one thing (more or less) right. Konqueror goes out of its way to integrate all the various file management techniques into one.

SFTP, ick, under Windows, have to load up some separate program to manage it.[1] In KDE, nope. It is just an extension of my computer. Not even an extension, except for the latency, it IS my computer. Files and web sites sharing tabs, why not?

I also loved having tabbed file browsing. I (just) missed out on the Dual Pane file manager craze, but tabbed file managers are a good substitute.

KDE sucks in a thousand other small (medium sized, and large) ways. Heck in of itself Konqueror has at least half a dozen UI issues that can be spotted within the first 5 minutes of using it. But do not claim that it is not very "Unix" like.

It is very Unix like. Files are files, a file is a file is a file. Does it really matter where it resides?

[1]Actually 2 commerical programs exist that allow the user to mount SFTP and SCP connections as drives. They still suck compared to FISH though.

Re:Fuck yeah (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094117)

It's a kind of cool "paradigm-shift", but when IE gets f*cked up by malware, and you end up not being able to view your files properly, it rather bites (not happened to me personally, but has to one of my more, shall we say 'adventurous', as well as computer illiterate users..). So while it's a cool idea, Microsofts implementation sucked.. as usual! Interesting that they have decided to split the 2 apart here, I wonder how much backend stuff they share..

integrated but not logical (3, Insightful)

narfbot (515956) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094131)

If the integration of Internet Explorer and Explorer were so seamless, then why do they still have separate icons for My Computer, My Network Places, and Internet Explorer? The reality is that these services are not the same.

Re:Fuck yeah (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094161)

I think that one of the most revolutionary end-user paradigm shifts that Microsoft ever did was to compiler Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer into one.
I'd just like to open up the floor to the idea of beating anyone who uses the word "paradigm" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence to death.

On a more serious note, that big "paradigm shift" ended up giving the world one of the most insecure systems in the computer age.

Re:Fuck yeah (1)

niXcamiC (835033) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094345)

Combining functions not very unixy? Obviously you've never heard of emacs....

K is for Krap (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093115)

Enjoy your pseudo-Windows interface, Windows haters. Bet WINE runs well under it!

Re:K is for Krap (0, Troll)

lordtoran (1063300) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093433)

And what does this have to do with KDE? Windows emulation crap is a pure GNOME concern. Real desktops innovate, don't emulate.

Re:K is for Krap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094641)

Wake me up when the GNOME team drops the stupid "user friendly" view of hiding every possible configuration setting from the user, and making it a pain in the ass to change anything.

I don't want to be treated like a windows user. Let me configure my fucking computer without the piece of trash that is gconf.

Kde vs Gnome (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093125)

Cue the Kde vs Gnome arguments in 3.. 2.. 1.. (Gnome for the win.)

Dolphin (2, Informative)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093141)

It's a pretty nice file manager. I've used it for about a year, and tended to prefer it over Konqueror, at least until I found Krusader. But it's not as though Konqueror will lose its capabilities to be a file manager; it just won't be the default choice in KDE 4.0.

Re:Dolphin (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093329)

It's a pretty nice file manager. I've used it for about a year, and tended to prefer it over Konqueror, at least until I found Krusader. But it's not as though Konqueror will lose its capabilities to be a file manager; it just won't be the default choice in KDE 4.0.
Actually I think they are planning to remove the file manager capabilities if I understand correctly, maybe not, but I thought I heard it said that konqueror would be faster if they removed the file manager, not sure, maybe I heard form an unreliable source?

Re:Dolphin (3, Informative)

PeterBrett (780946) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093469)

It's a pretty nice file manager. I've used it for about a year, and tended to prefer it over Konqueror, at least until I found Krusader. But it's not as though Konqueror will lose its capabilities to be a file manager; it just won't be the default choice in KDE 4.0.
Actually I think they are planning to remove the file manager capabilities if I understand correctly, maybe not, but I thought I heard it said that konqueror would be faster if they removed the file manager, not sure, maybe I heard form an unreliable source?

You misunderstand. The file manager capabilities in Konqueror aren't going away: it would be vandalism to do that!

I personally hate Dolphin: it's too GNOME-ey and dumbed down. I like the fact that I use Konqueror for everything from ripping CDs (audiocd:/) through managing my files and browsing the internet to reading documentation (man:/ and info:/).

Re:Dolphin (0, Troll)

PenGun (794213) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093541)

You need a thing to rip CDs?

cdparanoia -B

  Open terminal rxvt hopefully and type cdpa hit TAB and add the -B

  Oh I hate stupid GUIs. Smart ones I have some time for.

Re:Dolphin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093583)

then return to your featureless desktop GENOME
burn a DVD must be a simple operation not an haxor skill
k3b forever

Re:Dolphin (5, Insightful)

PeterBrett (780946) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093633)

Oh I hate stupid GUIs. Smart ones I have some time for.

Because browsing to audiocd:/ and dragging the contents of the "MP3" virtual directory to your ~/Music is such a stupid GUI. You really have no clue about the power of ioslaves, do you?

Re:Dolphin (1)

DeepHurtn! (773713) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094115)

Phew! I loves me my Konq web/file browsing power too! Glad to hear we're just getting more choice.

Re:Dolphin (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094805)

I love konqueror too, but I hate how it mangles a lot of web pages. Slashdot in particular looks like shit (misrenders)

I'm not sure if its the web pages, or KHTML at fault, but I wish it would be fixed. I'm fairly certain it's the web pages, as a lot of pages look perfect.

Re:Dolphin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093505)

As far as I've heard the file manager will still be there, but not the default. The file manager is a plug in component, not a part of konquerer itself - same as konquerer's ability to do sftp, show pdfs and other things.

Minor clarification (4, Informative)

MaelstromX (739241) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093163)

I was told in the KDE channel on Freenode that Dolphin will be an alternative (and default) file browser, but that Konqueror will still retain that functionality. Nitpicking the submission, but I thought it was worth pointing out.

Re:Minor clarification (1)

Saeger (456549) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094525)

Good - because the last time I tried dolphin it didn't support tabs, and it pooped little ".dolphin" files into every single dir you viewed to keep the view state. konqueror++

I'll switch... (4, Interesting)

HotBBQ (714130) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093235)

to KDE from Gnome if the default media player can play DVD videos with menu support. A browser plugin that allows me to seek streaming movies would be great too. Stupid Totem + gstreamer.

Re:I'll switch... (1)

Tyr_7BE (461429) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093611)

Yeah totem+gstreamer is lame. It's getting better, but VERY VERY VERY slowly. Just remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine with the proper dvd decryption libraries and you'll be good to go. Totem's a _decent_ player once you do that. I still go for VLC, though, if only for its ability to handle subtitle files.

Re:I'll switch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093783)

SimplyMepis. Try the LiveCD.

Re:I'll switch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094739)

to KDE from Gnome if the default media player can play DVD videos with menu support.
Kaffeine using the Xine engine has menu support for DVDs. As a bonus you can load external subtitles for a DVD (ie. a real DVD and download a .srt file for the desired language). At least 0.8.4 can do that. Couldn't find any other player that would let me do that. Not even VLC when I tried.

Cool! (1, Interesting)

3p1ph4ny (835701) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093249)

I don't really have anything to say other than KDE kicks ass, and it's great to see active development. It's certainly the most mature WM out there (IMO, of course), and it's cool that they're even planning to add some of the UI toys that the beryl/compcomm/compiz people have too =)

Question from huge fan (3, Interesting)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093267)

I am a huge fan of KDE, so please do not consider this a troll, flamebait, etc. I appreciate all of the componentization of KDE4, and frankly KDE3 does some things that are remarkable, like the way it handles file access to FTP volumes. But what I want to know is this: Why does it seem like the KDE screen widgets are "flimsy"? For some reason, everything seems thin and breakable. This seems to have perpetuated into KDE4. Am I the only one that notices this?

Re:Question from huge fan (2, Informative)

webax (1034218) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093529)

My belief after working on KDE based applications in QT for some time that the "flimsy" aspect you describe is the fault of the underlying language of QT from Trolltech, especially QT4 and its continuous state of development even after being in "release" status for nearly two years now.


Some graphical things are very difficult to implement and get broken too easily imo between even minor releases of QT.

But again, I'm a huge fan, and I'm not going to stop programming in QT ;) There are just a lot of challenges that I can understand from the development standpoint the difficulties KDE developers are facing and believe that the ongoing QT4 development is the biggest factor that keeps pushing KDE4 deadlines back.

Re:Question from huge fan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093609)

Until KDE4 4.2 is out consider all the KDE graphics to be a placeholder. They are building walls now -
decoration will be started later.

Re:Question from huge fan (1)

Tack (4642) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094055)

Why does it seem like the KDE screen widgets are "flimsy"? For some reason, everything seems thin and breakable. This seems to have perpetuated into KDE4. Am I the only one that notices this?
It's not just you. I've felt this since the beginning as well. It's an interesting perception. KDE is clearly quite powerful and flexible, and I've certainly not experienced any significant instability (not at least relative to other software), but yet I definitely do get the impression that it is toyish. I can't quite put my finger on where the sense comes from.

Re:Question from huge fan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094253)

It's because they don't double-buffer everything, so you see a lot of partially complete widgets redrawing themselves piece by piece. With double buffering the whole widget would be drawn offscreen then instantly updated onscreen when complete.

Re:Question from huge fan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094261)

Why does it seem like the KDE screen widgets are "flimsy"? For some reason, everything seems thin and breakable. This seems to have perpetuated into KDE4. Am I the only one that notices this?

No, you are not. Still, the default icon set is fine with me. I don't like it, but that's a matter of taste. What I would love is a richer set of themes and icons included in the default install. To pick from during the many installs I polished for Windows users that finally decided to give Linux/KDE a go. A list to select from until they seem to see something they like, something they think is beautiful enough to try to understand, to work with. Good artists are difficult to find, and at the same time, good artwork is as important as good code. If you want to convince potential users.

screenshot (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093293)

The entire infrastructure of KDE4 is fantastic
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde4fc1.p ng [imageshack.us]

KDE4 (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093341)

On OpenSuse 10.3... love it.

c++ superiority (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093397)

i don't understand gnome zealots who thinks that c programming with GObject is better
the entire framework of gnome is collapsing into a big black hole.
KDE + QT 4.0 shine a lot.

Re:c++ superiority (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094621)

C vs. C++? What, is it 1995 again? Objective-C trumps them both, anyway.

Screenshots? (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093405)

Anyone know where I can see some good screenshots, slow-ish connection so I don't really want to download it until 4.0... But would be nice to see some progress, probably a bit early though

Torrent please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093493)

Isn't there a kind soul that is able to supply a torrent to the live CD?

How do I patch KDE4 under FreeBSD? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093573)

How do I patch KDE4 under FreeBSD?

What are they for? (-1, Flamebait)

PenGun (794213) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093625)

This KDE and Gnome. Why???

  Get a Mac.

  I hate em' both. Useless users of massive resources to keep their integrated stylings. Pitiful and somehow profoundly anti *nix. That half wit konsole is especially galling. Themes and goodies for a fucking terminal ... arghhhh.

Re:What are they for? (1, Insightful)

lbbros (900904) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093699)

I can run KDE or GNOME on a normal PC, unlike the over-priced Apple offerings. That is enough for me to avoid considering a Mac.

Re:What are they for? (1, Informative)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093903)

KDE, Gnome, and any other window manager that will compile on OS X can be run under XDarwin [xdarwin.org] . You can also dual boot OS X and Linux with the free utility Boot Camp [apple.com] .

So there :P

Re:What are they for? (0)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093755)

KDE's not bad. Personally, I don't like Gnome as much, but it's just a look-and-feel thing rather than it being inferior technically (worked OK for me anyway).

Really, I just wanted an opportunity to say that I run KDE using XDarwin on my Mac every once in a while, for the novelty. OS X is still the best in the look-and-feel dept, but KDE is making giant leaps forward and is not much behind.

Re:What are they for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093785)

Your website is "Copyright C. Carson". Are you the infamous kook "ccarson" that used to post on Slashdot under a variety of names? No wonder you come off like a nutcase.

Re:What are they for? (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094129)

He gets a 0 and I get a -1 Flamebait ... priceless.

Re:What are they for? (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094663)

Even better .....

Re:What are they for? (2, Insightful)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20093845)

yes but many of the themes and goodies actually increase productivity
making something pretty is ok.. making something that looks pretty and actually increases my productivity is priceless
if you prefer slimmed down run a really light WM like blackbox or xfce
the revolution is all about choice
;-)

AWESOME FP... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20093629)

play 4a8ties the [goat.cx]

Plasma? (1)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094019)

I thought KDE4 was meant to include "Plasma" effects... what happened to that?!

Re:Plasma? (2, Informative)

jZnat (793348) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094313)

Disabled by default in the beta 1 build perhaps? It's in SVN and making lots of progress lately.

konsole improved? (0, Flamebait)

dghcasp (459766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094067)

I didn't see the simplest improvement in konsole listed:

rm konsole && cp xterm konsole

Re:konsole improved? (2, Insightful)

Doug Neal (195160) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094619)

I didn't see the simplest improvement in konsole listed:



rm konsole && cp xterm konsole

Argh, we always have to hear from the elitist Unix purists whenever KDE or GNOME comes up. Name 3 things that are better about xterm than Konsole? Or even just one thing? Get with the times, Unix desktops have moved on.

Re:konsole improved? (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094809)

You missed the memo? Here, if we look at the memory usage of our 4 gig ram Core 2 Quad go higher than 250 megs of ram (half of which is taken by Apache and Firefox), then we need to trim on something. Memory is meant to show off in your sig on hardware forums, NOT to be used, as it might make the hardware age faster! Caching is also the root of all evil, duh.

kdolphin? (5, Funny)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094437)

kthey hkave kbroken kfrom ktradition kby kalling ka kprogram ka kname kwhich kdoesn't kstart kwith ka k. Kis kthis kthe kend kof KDE kas kwe kknow kit?

guess GI'll ghave gto gswitch gto gnome gnow.

Re:kdolphin? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20094545)

you desperately tried to be funny, but failed miserably

Why list an Awards page? (1)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 6 years ago | (#20094561)

The last time it was updated was 2005?

http://www.kde.org/history/awards.php [kde.org]

I would think that would be embarrassing if you had a 2 year award drought.
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