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Xbox 360 Price Drop Official

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the this-is-where-it-gets-ugly dept.

XBox (Games) 92

GameDaily is reporting that the $50 price drop on the Xbox 360 is now official. That's for the premium SKU, different boxes have different drops: "The Elite SKU (120GB) has been slashed by $30, bringing it down to $449.99, and the Core SKU now has an MSRP that is $20 lower at $279.99. All prices are effective August 8th. In addition, the special Halo 3 themed Xbox 360 that was casually mentioned by Peter Moore at this year's E3 Microsoft press conference has been assigned an estimated retail price of $399.99. The Xbox 360 Halo 3 Special Edition Console will arrive in stores this September and will feature "an authentic Spartan green-and-gold finish," a matching Xbox 360 Wireless Controller, Xbox 360 20GB hard drive, Xbox 360 Headset, an Xbox 360 Play and Charge Kit, and more."

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Slashed? (3, Insightful)

frederec (911880) | about 7 years ago | (#20142687)

I like how a price drop of 6.25%, or $30 on the elite version, counts as "slashed" prices.

Re:Slashed? (1)

GregPK (991973) | about 7 years ago | (#20142727)

It's about the cost of a game thats been around. I wouldn't complain....

Re:Slashed? (1)

frederec (911880) | about 7 years ago | (#20142809)

I wasn't complaining about the price cut, but the language. It seemed to be exaggerating something that isn't really that impressive. And I'm curious how many 360 games are $30. Most of them come out at $60. That might have been a nicer price drop.

Re:Slashed? (1)

nuzak (959558) | about 7 years ago | (#20144053)

> I'm curious how many 360 games are $30

Viva Piñata and Dead Rising.

Re:Slashed? (1)

GregPK (991973) | about 7 years ago | (#20147031)

I suppose I should note though. The price decrease isn't enough to get me to buy one. The core needs to be 250 the premium around 325 and the Elite at 410 to even remotely have a chance at beating out Nintendo. Even better they just need the Elite to be in stock. The sku replenishment has sucked since launch on the Elite.

Re:Slashed? (1)

Grave (8234) | about 7 years ago | (#20150039)

I don't think anyone has delusions about outselling the Wii anymore. If the market were a fixed size with no new gamers being brought in, then the 360 would be the clear leader right now I suspect. But the Wii has probably sold as much to traditional non-gamers as those who would otherwise have bought one of this generation's offerings. And of course for the traditional gamers, many are buying the Wii AND a 360 or PS3. The price decrease isn't meant to convince people to buy them, so much as it is to enable the games to better convince people to buy one. Rhetoric aside, this really is one of the most impressive fall line-ups of game releases in memory, and the overwhelming majority are on 360, whether exclusive or not.

The Elite is more readily available at this point if you know where to look. I can't help but wonder if it's the 120GB hard drive or the HDMI that is selling more people on that model vs the premium. Probably both, but since the Halo edition will have HDMI, I suspect the other systems to end up getting it as well pretty soon.

Re:Slashed? (1)

GregPK (991973) | about 7 years ago | (#20152465)

Elite, still sells out in within a day of reciept in most areas. Pricing is actually pretty damn key. Look at the PS3 sales which have pretty much doubled and tripled since the price drop.

Heck, look at Xbox V1 when it dropped to 149. It sold like crazy, so well in fact that it was out of stock in the US for over 3 months. I think the same could be easily achieved with the 360 in coming holiday. I didn't expect any price drops until after the Halo version. Its nice that its here though. But, the price drop I think isn't enough that it will influence buyers enough to buy more. I think the only reason the price drop is so modest is that Microsoft didn't want to spark a price war with Nintendo whom could easily sell thier Wii for 200 a piece and still make significant money.

The only chance Microsoft has right now is to get those amazing games out this year before nintendo does it better. I almost considered getting an Elite Sku for my home system which is setup with pure HDMI hookups. Even more so when I worked with them. But at the time the failure rates I saw scared me greatly.

I wish the Halo sku came with the HDMI...

Re:Slashed? (1)

Wolfrider (856) | about 7 years ago | (#20156395)

--When the 360 gets to ~$199, Teh Masses will turn out -- as unto a boiling sea of frenzied cockroaches, to scoop them off the shelves.

Re:Slashed? (1)

Bud Dickman (1131973) | about 7 years ago | (#20160091)

"I almost considered getting an Elite Sku for my home system which is setup with pure HDMI hookups."
I don't think a random string of alphanumerics has any HDMI hookups whatsoever.

"But at the time the failure rates I saw scared me greatly."
?? What are you talking about? I haven't heard anything about problems with the stock keeping units. They seem to be consistent on each item in stock and reflect what is in the box. Are you saying that stores are getting inventory with incorrect sku designations? What are you talking about?

sincerely,
Bud Dickman

p.s. you take a console home; the retailer is concerned with their inventory and keeping track of it - the customer is not. You're talking about being a customer; use appropriate language. You were thinking about buying an Elite system or an Elite console or an Elite model - you have no interest in the SKU on the system you might pick up and don't even know what it is.

Re:Slashed? (1)

GregPK (991973) | about 7 years ago | (#20166367)

I work with retail. So I talk about Sku's all the time, I thought it was funny when I talked to the salesperson and told him I want 2 sku's of nintendos gamestop sku even listing off the numbers. Getting the dumbfounded look before I remember he was a retail employee and I said nintendo wii. As for stock it is and still is a rather large issue with the 360 Elite. Oddly enough the Wii is what I'm after these days. As for retail. Some places have a custom sku number thats usually 6-8 digits, others have model numbers of the same number of digits. Fry's calls them PLU's

Re:Slashed? (1)

Bud Dickman (1131973) | about 7 years ago | (#20168083)

Alright, I can understand that if you work retail then you are accustomed to saying SKU. The majority of people around here who use SKU are just trying to sound like they're "in the know" and failing.

Re:Slashed? (1)

Cyblob (800812) | about 7 years ago | (#20142735)

This is slashdot after all.

Re:Slashed? (1)

CavemanKiwi (559158) | about 7 years ago | (#20143387)

I agree 30 bucks equaling slashed is a bit over the top. However a percentage of 6.25 could be considered slashed if for example I would apply it to your salary or house value.

Re:Slashed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143955)

When you're paying 60, 70 bucks per game plus Downloadable content, I don't see how console users care about paying 399 for an xbox or 499 for a playstation.

I spend thousands building a decent gaming PC, but I won't spend a buck over 50 bucks for ANY game, and no paid DLC ever(no fee to play online either). But to be fair, I use my PC for much more than just playing games.

Re:Slashed? (1)

AnotherHiggins (925608) | about 7 years ago | (#20145487)

But to be fair, I use my PC for much more than just playing games.

Ah yes.... Porn.

Re:Slashed? (1)

steveo777 (183629) | about 7 years ago | (#20144275)

Yeah, that almost covers the sales tax in MN.

Re:Slashed? (1)

perbu (624267) | about 7 years ago | (#20145465)

This is slashdot. What did you expect. :-P

SKU SKU SKU SKU (5, Insightful)

Nozsd (1080965) | about 7 years ago | (#20142743)

That's for the premium SKU

NO! It's for the premium XBOX. People don't buy a SKU, they buy the XBOX! Come ON, what is with all the SKU nonsense? I used to work at an EB Games and I nor any of the other employees EVER talked like that. Don't any of you realize how lame you sound?

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (2, Informative)

Golgafrinchan (777313) | about 7 years ago | (#20142815)

This may not be how EB employees talk, but it's how A LOT of business people talk.

I've worked in market research, and there we spoke of SKU's all the time. That way, we didn't have to adjust our vocabulary depending on what kind of product we were talking about. That is, instead of having to say "three Xboxes" or "three cereals" or "three toilet bowl cleaners," we could refer to each of them as "three SKU's."

I don't see a problem either way. Just depends on if you prefer typical EB lingo or typical business lingo. :)

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | about 7 years ago | (#20142925)

Given this is the games section, I think I can understand his hostility to business lingo. Actually, I think most nerds have an innate malice towards business lingo. Most programmers are probably familiar with words and phrases that have lost all their practical meaning at the hands of business lingo.

It's a shame, because SKU is at its heart a technical term; later appropriated for business/marketing speak.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20145667)

Playing marketeer has become sort of a game for people. Everyone wants to see their favorite console win and it can be kind of fun to play armchair analyst.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143117)

It's called a "product". Or if you have to get more specific, a "model". That's only 2 letters longer than "SKU", and easier to say. What was wrong with it?

It's not like we're just now discovering that we need a word to deal with products...they've been around a while...

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

Pluvius (734915) | about 7 years ago | (#20145573)

The word "model" has a different meaning in the console world. The SCPH-10000 and the SCPH-15000 were two different models of the PS2, for example, but they were exactly the same to the vast majority of end users. What you're looking for is "version," but "SKU" is less vague even than that, since you can't possibly construe that acronym to be referring to anything other than the different flavors of the XBox 360 or what have you.

Rob

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

75th Trombone (581309) | about 7 years ago | (#20145691)

I don't like businessese, either, but SKU has meaning beyond either of your two proposed synonyms.

"Model" doesn't cut it because you might have two packages with the exact same XBOX, but one has a game included and one doesn't. One model, two SKUs.

"Product" doesn't cut it specifically because of bundling. You wouldn't call an XBOX plus a game a single product. It's two products combined into a single SKU.

The closest thing I can think of that really could replace SKU is "packaging" as a discrete noun --- "a packaging", "two packagings" --- but that's confusing because it's a nonstandard use of that word. Just "SKU" is much clearer.

I'm open to other suggestions, but I haven't yet found a clear word that conveys all the meaning present in "SKU".

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

Nozsd (1080965) | about 7 years ago | (#20143145)

This may not be how EB employees talk, but it's how A LOT of business people talk.

That is true and I understand why they need to be more specific especially when there are multiple versions of a product. However, when conveying information to the general public it's just stupid to use that term because people don't go out looking for a particular SKU nor ever really even look at the SKU. Do you ever hear people in a store asking, "that's the premium SKU, right? I don't want to end up with just a regular SKU."

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 7 years ago | (#20144183)

No, but I get told "SKU YOU!" all the time these days. :'(

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

evilbessie (873633) | about 7 years ago | (#20143225)

So when did /. become news for MBA muppets? The "that's what they do in business" is a load of crap which few here actually care about.

Use "unit" instead, obviously! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143873)

But even then, they don't buy three SKUs, they buy "three units". Besides, SKU is definitely not in the common lexicon, how do you expect to use that in conversation without people asking "What's an SKU?" all the time? It's so much simpler just to say "unit" instead of "SKU".

Re:Use "unit" instead, obviously! (1)

75th Trombone (581309) | about 7 years ago | (#20145715)

"Unit" doesn't work as a synonym for SKU, though. You could say "two units," but that may mean two SKUs, or two instances of a single SKU.

As I said above, I don't like businessese anymore than anyone else here, but SKU has a very specific, very useful meaning that isn't easily conveyed by other words.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20142861)

Clearly you are an ignoramus. Maybe you should pick up the unabridged ISBN of The American Heritage dictionary which will tell you that SKU stands for stock keeping unit. Why doesn't Premium Stock Keeping Unit make sense to you? It does to everybody else.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (3, Funny)

hal2814 (725639) | about 7 years ago | (#20142889)

"People don't buy a SKU, they buy the XBOX!"

You're very wrong. That little barcode thingy on the box is what costs $449. The rest of the package is their way of saying thanks.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

dctoastman (995251) | about 7 years ago | (#20143029)

That little bar-codey thingy isn't a SKU, it's a UPC. The SKU would be more along the lines of SCPH-7001 (that's a Playstation SKU). Multiple SKU's can have the same UPC.

So, actually, it is kind of wrong to say the Elite SKU is getting a price cut when all Elite SKUs are getting price cuts. It would be more accurate to say that the Elite product line will be getting a price cut as all Elite packages are priced the same regardless of actual hardware in the box.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (5, Funny)

bomanbot (980297) | about 7 years ago | (#20142941)

Maybe they always bring up the Stock Keeping Unit to differentiate it from the Wii, which should be labeled a Flying of the Shelf Unit or something ;-)

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143099)

I think it's funny how people on Slashdot act like using SKU as a synonym for model is some crime against humanity. Face it, most people who don't work in retail have worked in retail at some time, so if everyone understands the meaning then the language is working just as it should. I'm an English major and I don't need a bunch of engineers telling me what's grammatically taboo. Language is for communication and I don't think "SKU" is such an obscure term that people are getting confused. You just want mod points for a complaint which is so common on Slashdot that you're just being redundant, whiney, and a troll. Shut the fuck up, if the moderators cared they'd stop using the term.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20148895)

Face it, most people who don't work in retail have worked in retail at some time
come again?

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143241)

I used to work at an EB Games and I nor any of the other employees EVER talked like that. Don't any of you realize how lame you sound?

Pot... kettle... black.

I kid, I kid.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

Kelbear (870538) | about 7 years ago | (#20143761)

Using the term SKU isn't any more lame than complaining about the use of an equivalent word. Box, PC, computer, desktop, rig, shall henceforth be strictly referred to as "Personal Computer"

Hell, those words aren't even necessarily synonmous but are still regularly interchanged.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

Bud Dickman (1131973) | about 7 years ago | (#20144295)

Here's why I object to people using "SKU" and do not object to people using "rig". When someone uses SKU, it brings an unnecessary and inappropriate acronym into the mix. Unless the writer and the audience are retailers, then they do not keep stocks of Xbox consoles on hand. Therefore the notion of a stock keeping unit is not something they would encounter in any other realm except for those who use it in an attempt to sound "in the know". Using SKU says to me that people aren't pleased with themselves and want to make themselves out to be something they're not...OR...they're MBAs, and in that case, I don't want to take part in a discussion with them.

sincerely,
Bud Dickman

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

75th Trombone (581309) | about 7 years ago | (#20145749)

Unfortunately, SKU conveys a very specific meaning that's hard to express as succinctly as "SKU." Some people use it for the meaning, and some use it to sound all businessy. You need to actually distinguish which are which.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20144315)

Considering those Personal Computer nicknames came from within the field instead of being imposed by some dudes in business suits to describe a "hip way" to let gamers identify things by codes instead of names, yeah, it is more lame.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

nick_davison (217681) | about 7 years ago | (#20144895)

NO! It's for the premium XBOX.

NO! It's for the basic one that actually works for what it says on the box. People don't buy something that can't patch, can't save, can't connect to the net without buying upgrades! Come ON, what's with all the PREMIUM nonsense? I own a 360 and I nor any other owner I know of EVER talked like that. Don't any of you realize how lame you sound?

Sorry to parody your response but it's a little hypocritical to complain about SKU vs. Premium when no one considers the Premium anything other than the basic, working X360.

It's like getting upset that people call Starbucks swill a SKU when "everyone" knows it's a 'tall', 'grande', etc. As Foamy explains [illwillpress.com] , "when was the last time you went in to Taco Hell, ordered a Taco Grande and got a medium sized taco?" In the same way, when was the last time you talked bought a "premium" car just to get them to put the fuel tank in? If Ford tried to sell you a "basic" version that didn't include a fuel tank, requiring you to upgrade or constantly prime the engine by hand in order to get it to do anything, you'd be suing them. To sell a modern console that can't save games, can't patch them when they're buggy, can't go online, can't play your music, or any of the other features it says on the box as a "basic" version is just as ludicrous.

Premium/Basic doesn't exist in people's minds, just as SKU doesn't. There's version that does what it promises/cheap ploy at making it seem more affordable while gouging you even more to get it functional.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20146383)

Your post is a far-reaching offtopic rant, but something you said was kinda funny:

People don't buy something that can't patch, can't save, can't connect to the net without buying upgrades!
What, they don't? No one ever bought a PS2, or PS1 or Gamecube? I couldnt patch, or save, or connect to the net on any of those without buying extra stuff.

Built in harddrives and net connections are relatively new to the console industry bud. Not to mention that the CORE xbox can connect to the internet just fine.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

|Cozmo| (20603) | about 7 years ago | (#20146081)

Well that's the way people working at Microsoft speak of different versions of a product. Get over it.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20147657)

Just shut up about it already. People will use the term SKU in a lot of /. articles about consoles, and I don't want to scroll through this discussion each time. I've seent it about a dozen times in the last month. That's enough. For the rest of the year.

Re:SKU SKU SKU SKU (1)

senatorpjt (709879) | about 7 years ago | (#20150669)

On every goddamn story about consoles, someone starts bitching about people saying "SKU". It's a valid term, get over it.

65nm chips? (3, Insightful)

Belisarivs (526071) | about 7 years ago | (#20142755)

The $50 price drop is nice and all, but I'd be more interested in getting a unit that didn't run a significant risk of dying on me, extended warranty or no. What I want to know is when can I get my hands on the long-rumored 65nm chip version.

Re:65nm chips? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20142843)

I'm betting that the price drop is related to the release of the new chip version. The smaller chips end up costing less to manufacture, and should cut down on the overheating problem the 360 is facing. Or this could just be completely unrelated to 360 hardware.

Re:65nm chips? (4, Informative)

MooseMuffin (799896) | about 7 years ago | (#20142995)

I would bet that they don't plan to tell you. MS has been been putting improved heatsinks in 360s manufactured after march/april and they didn't bother to tell anybody about that. I would assume that the heatsink, and not the process shrink is the solution to the overheating problems. It allows them to own up the the red ring problem, offer the warranty and be able to say the problem has already been fixed. See here [benheck.com] for more discussion of that, and how to tell if you have the new heatsink or not.

Re:65nm chips? (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 7 years ago | (#20144429)

It's too bad. I wanted to wait until the new process with the hopes that the system would be quieter overall. I guess I'll just have to wait for people to discover the rollout and report in the usual places. ;)

Re:65nm chips? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20145531)

According to this thread [xbox.com] over at the xbox live forums, xboxes manufactured in July (or later) have the 65nm chip and the new improved heatsink. (For xbox elite the first lot number with 65nm is reported to be 0728)

Whether or not this is accurate however... No idea.

Re:65nm chips? (1)

FPSRantings.com (1139797) | about 7 years ago | (#20154361)

Amen to the improved heatsinks. These new 65nm chips merely signify the chip's newer fabrication process. This doesn't indicate if the heating problems (and thus, the 33.3% failure rate) would be resolved. Question is, would Microsoft withdraw the three-year warranty once the huge failure rate is resolved? After all, they are dropping the 360's price.

Re:65nm chips? (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | about 7 years ago | (#20162055)

No way they could drop the warranty from the fixed consoles, but they shouldn't need to anyway. If they truly fixed the problem then offering to fix consoles that don't fail shouldn't cost them anything.

Some odditities in the price drops... (2, Insightful)

bomanbot (980297) | about 7 years ago | (#20142789)

Well aside from that annoying habit of attaching that stupid SKU (stop it already. people!), I think those price drops are a bit odd.

Why didnt they drop the price uniformly across the board? With a price drop of $50 the Core version would have been priced directly against the Wii, which I think would have made sense for Microsoft at least from a psychological and marketing standpoint.

And why did the Elite get a price drop that soon? AFAIK it is still pretty new so the people who bought one already could be pretty annoyed (although $30 on formerly $480 is not too deep of a cut).

Oh and one laughable bit from the article:

"The fact that we have been able to keep our launch price longer than any other console while retaining our leadership position demonstrates that consumers believe in the value of Xbox 360," said Mitch Koch

Yeah right and it has nothing to do with the fact that the Xbox 360 was the only next-gen console available for about a year, which makes the leadership thing sorta automatic...

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | about 7 years ago | (#20142971)

Oh and one laughable bit from the article:

"The fact that we have been able to keep our launch price longer than any other console while retaining our leadership position demonstrates that consumers believe in the value of Xbox 360," said Mitch Koch


Yeah right and it has nothing to do with the fact that the Xbox 360 was the only next-gen console available for about a year, which makes the leadership thing sorta automatic...


I laughed as well. They're technically correct in calling themselves the leader, but this isn't a "If you can just hold on a little longer you'll win the race" situation. This is a "The race isn't even half over and our lead is almost gone" situation.

For all their talk about being the leaders, it'll be amusing to see what they say when they drop to 2nd place.

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

CaseM (746707) | about 7 years ago | (#20143507)

So a $250 console with a game that really grabs outsiders (Wii Sports) is going to outpace a $400 traditional console? Color me unsurprised.

I defy you to show me where the Wii sell-through numbers are anything like the 360's, though. I own a Wii but never buy games for it, and I think that's where many Wii owners are at this point. So it made an impression on non-traditional gamers by virtue of Wii Sports. So what? The "masses", by definition, don't buy many games because they don't care a whole lot. 3rd party support on the Wii has been, to date, sketchy at best whereas it's been stellar on the 360.

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 7 years ago | (#20143989)

I defy you to show me where the Wii sell-through numbers are anything like the 360's, though.

It's a bit hard to do as Microsoft keeps its numbers under wraps, but I'll give it a go.

According to Wikipedia's Best Selling Games Page [wikipedia.org] , the Wii has sold:

Total Wii games sold as of June 30, 2007: 44.82 million
Total Virtual Console games sold as of July 11, 2007: over 5.6 million

Assuming that their figures match up by date to the sales figured on the Wikipedia Wii page (9.27m), that gives a sell-through ratio of ~4.83 packaged games per system sold and 0.6 VC games per console sold.

That's definitely not bad, regardless of how the 360 is doing.

Further evidence comes in the form of comparing the top selling games. 3.7m Gears of War to 3.61m for Legend of Zelda. 1.4m for Call of Duty 2 vs. 1.82m for Wario Ware. 1.37m for Lost Planet vs. 1.25m for Super Paper Mario.

Given that the Wii is the younger system, these numbers are quite impressive.

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

dctoastman (995251) | about 7 years ago | (#20145037)

Also consider peripheral attach rate. There was a serious shortage of Wii remotes and nunchucks along with actual consoles as well. And at $60 a set, that's not shabby.

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 7 years ago | (#20145257)

I explicitly excluded WiiPlay from the games comparison because it says a lot more about the peripheral attach rate than the sales of the game itself. With sales topping 4.49 million, it does give an interesting peek into how well Nintendo is selling their accessories. I wouldn't be at all surprised if sales of the Classic Controller are slightly over 1 for every console and Wii Remote sales at 1.5 to 2 per console. :-)

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

dctoastman (995251) | about 7 years ago | (#20145693)

I think the 'average' set up will be something like four remotes, two nunchucks, and two classic controllers. With some people going the extreme and getting four of everything and others being more spartan in their selection.

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 7 years ago | (#20146115)

I think the 'average' set up will be something like four remotes, two nunchucks, and two classic controllers.

I somewhat doubt it's common enough to be the average. I only know one person who has a full 4 remotes, and I don't know anyone outside of Slashdot who has 2 Nunchucks. My setup is 2 remotes (bundled + WiiPlay), 1 Nunchuck, a Classic Controller, and 2 GameCube Controllers. I'd like to get more controllers, but I'm taking my time. I don't need them immediately and they're rather expensive to stock up on. Both my GCN controllers are used, so I suppose that says something about my miserly ways. :-P

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | about 7 years ago | (#20145283)

I defy you to show me where the Wii sell-through numbers are anything like the 360's, though


Really, who cares? The Wii makes a profit with zero sellthrough, and the Xbox requires at least seven game and accessory purchases to break even. So one company is selling lots of stuff at a loss, and the other company is selling a little bit less stuff at a huge profit. Which one is the "winner"?

I'll take the profit any day.

The price drop is smart (1)

qweqwe321 (1097441) | about 7 years ago | (#20143281)

Why didnt they drop the price uniformly across the board? With a price drop of $50 the Core version would have been priced directly against the Wii, which I think would have made sense for Microsoft at least from a psychological and marketing standpoint.
Microsoft just needs to make the Xbox competitive with the Wii in terms of price. Microsoft's console strategy at the moment isn't to knock out the Wii-- it's to take out the PS3. They seem to be doing a decent job of it, since they've outsold Sony by 2:1 so far. [wikipedia.org]

Re:The price drop is smart (1)

senatorpjt (709879) | about 7 years ago | (#20150747)

They were doing a decent job of it before the PS3 came out. The PS3 is now outselling the 360 in all regions.

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (1)

pizzach (1011925) | about 7 years ago | (#20143345)

Why didnt they drop the price uniformly across the board? With a price drop of $50 the Core version would have been priced directly against the Wii, which I think would have made sense for Microsoft at least from a psychological and marketing standpoint.
Maybe it's to trick the uneducated masses into thinking the Xbox Core is more powerful than the Wii by being more expensive? No wait...

Re:Some odditities in the price drops... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143929)

SKU SKU SKU SKU SKU

There's no point in tilting at windmills, the internet doesn't plan on conforming to your /opinion/.

Still, the internet is "serious business".

O Come On (2, Insightful)

Duffy13 (1135411) | about 7 years ago | (#20142821)

Honestly, they could do better then this. The amount is negligible, bump it up to to at least $100 then come talk to me.

Re:O Come On (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 7 years ago | (#20143861)

Honestly, they could do better then this. The amount is negligible, bump it up to to at least $100 then come talk to me.

Wait until christmas then. You should have other bundles available and get off cheaper or have more included for the same money.

Integrated wifi (2, Interesting)

theantipop (803016) | about 7 years ago | (#20142953)

I'll admit there are a few upcoming 360 games that entice me and at $350 the premium system seems like it's in my range. But the lack of an integrated wifi adapter really still kills it for me. At $100 (!!!) to get the console online, it seems especially ridiculous in light of the offerings of its competitors.

Re:Integrated wifi (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | about 7 years ago | (#20143023)

I'd have to agree. It's rather silly when a console $100 cheaper has the feature, which should by no means be anything more than a simple task to include.

I'm fortunate enough to have a 20 meter ethernet cable, which is enough to go from my hub to the 360. However, it does mean there's this long gray wire running past the kitchen and in all sorts of places one might trip.

Re:Integrated wifi (1)

svendsen (1029716) | about 7 years ago | (#20143033)

so dont buy the xbox adapter. Many 3rd party solutions for like 40 bucks.

Re:Integrated wifi (2, Interesting)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 7 years ago | (#20143777)

Personally, I put my wireless router in my entertainment center and wire-in the Xbox and my media server, then use my computers wirelessly. But then I'm strange.

Re:Integrated wifi (1)

theantipop (803016) | about 7 years ago | (#20144185)

I rent and don't have access to the wireless router or cable modem. I have thought about running a bridge, but all the reliable ones seem to be very overpriced. And still, that doesn't excuse the lack of what I would consider to be an essential part of the Xbox platform: easy internet connectivity.

Re:Integrated wifi (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | about 7 years ago | (#20146793)

I rent, aka I can't make too many modifications to my place. I use DSL, which comes into the bedroom via phone jack, and I've got a wireless router hooked up to it. Out in the living room where the 360 is and the TV, there is no internet connection. I can't drill through the wall, and I'd like it if I could go wifi for less than $100. Honestly, 3rd party adapters are $20 or less, there's NO reason MS can't do it for $30 or so, which IMHO would be a decent price. $100 is just gougery.

Re:Integrated wifi (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 7 years ago | (#20147169)

Why not just buy a third-party adapter? As long as it spits out ethernet, you're fine using it. (Although you might need to plug it into a computer to configure it initially.) I know from experience that Belkin ones work just fine on both original Xbox and Xbox 360.

What about canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143137)

Anyone know if anything has been confirmed about canada and by how much for each type?
The premium is $100 more than the United states, so technically $75 more give or take a few dollars based on the exchange rate. So making the US one 50 cheaper is putting an even bigger gap.
Now I heard rumors that canadians can expect a $100 price drop on the premium, has this been confirmed (and if so could I have a link to the source?) Also when could this be expected?

I really want to buy one, but $500 for the premium and $550 for the elite is just too much. I will grab one though if it is dropped to $400.

Re:What about canada? (1)

XiticiX (712612) | about 7 years ago | (#20143513)

Actually, $100US = $105.60Cdn Or rather, $100Cdn = $94.71US So if it's $100 more for the premium in Canada, that actually works out to $94.71 more (in US currency). The $50 price drop should equal to be about $52.78 in Canada. This doesn't mean anything though of course, because prices in Canada are always way higher - it's not a direct exchange rate problem.

Re:What about canada? (1)

RyanJBlack (765865) | about 7 years ago | (#20143631)

The price drop has been confirmed in Canada, it's CDN$100 for the Premium, CDN$100 for the core, and CDN$50 for the Elite. So, it's now CDN$399 for Premium, CDN$299 for Core, and CDN$499 for Elite. Pretty comparable to the US pricing, but as mentioned, we're always a bit higher (not "WAY" higher in most cases). http://www.xbox.com/en-ca/community/news/2007/0806 -consoleprice.htm [xbox.com]

Re:What about canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20143569)

I'd like one too, except I need both HDMI and WiFi, something that right now will cost me a LOT of money to get. I might consider if it's a $100 price drop up here for the elite, but not until then since that's the price of the wifi adapter anyways.

Plus I'm assuming the Premium Elite Edition will be out in about a year including WiFi for the same price as the Elite goes for now.

Halo 3 Special Edition (1)

Floritard (1058660) | about 7 years ago | (#20143769)

So does the Halo 3 Special Edition console actually come with Halo 3? It doesn't say so, but that just seems stupid to me. If you're into Halo so much you need to totally gay out with a Master Chief console, you're most definitely going to buy the game itself. But then they'd have to increase the price of the console to include the game. They're just trying to make the thing seem $60 cheaper, but really, who's going to buy the themed console and not buy the game as well? They're essentially bundling their schtick for Halo mindshare with your console and using it to market the idea further to your friends. And this is just more of Microsoft splitting up essential pieces of it's system and scattering the price tags to hide real cost. Like their DVD dongle for the original XBox (the damn console had the feature built in, you had to pay to unlock it). This is where those convoluted PS3 vs. 360 comparisons come up around here, where they have to include accessories to align the two feature sets. Sony and Nintendo sell accessories to their console as well, buy they don't dick around like this. Microsoft might as well be selling PCs.

Re:Halo 3 Special Edition (1)

Serzen (675979) | about 7 years ago | (#20148591)

The Halo 3 edition console was, last I heard, set to ship in September. Also, last I heard, Halo 3 doesn't ship until November. So, no, I don't think the Special Edition console will come bundled with the game.

Interesting (0)

shoptroll (544006) | about 7 years ago | (#20143957)

The price drop on the core unit almost makes it a good Wii alternative, although you still need to purchase a game and you'll have to do the hard drive upgrade on your own....

I think this is a lot better than Sony's fire sale.

Re:Interesting (1)

Duffy13 (1135411) | about 7 years ago | (#20145993)

If you are okay with only 1/2 the features, then yes it is. I suggest waiting till x-mas and picking up one of the premium or elite bundle packages which are bound to pop up. Should be able to get a decent deal.

Re:Interesting (1)

shoptroll (544006) | about 7 years ago | (#20146045)

Eh... I have a Wii and also my PC needs upgrading in about a year or so. Anything I've wanted for XBox (360) has come out on PC. I'm the patient type with enough of a backlog to keep me entertained for a good while.

Canadians are in for a treat (1)

Rendo (918276) | about 7 years ago | (#20145287)

http://www.xbox.com/en-ca/community/news/2007/0806 -consoleprice.htm [xbox.com]

Xbox 360 will enhance the value of its entire family of consoles beginning on Aug. 8. At a new price of $399.99 (CDN), Xbox 360 offers an unsurpassed experience right out of the box with a 20 GB hard drive, wireless controller, Xbox 360 headset, and more.

For those looking for the ultimate value and the freedom to customize their console as they see fit, Xbox 360 Core System now has an estimated retail price (ERP) of $299.99 (CDN). Xbox 360 Core System provides everything gamers need to hit the ground running while giving consumers the ability to add new features and accessories they want.

Dressed in black and equipped with a 120GB hard drive, Xbox 360 Elite will be priced at an ERP of $499.99 (CDN) for those who want the premium games and entertainment experience.

In anticipation of this year's largest blockbuster game launch, the Xbox 360 Halo® 3 Special Edition Console will hit store shelves in September with an ERP of $449.99 (CDN). Featuring an authentic Spartan green-and-gold finish, this console will include a matching Xbox 360 Wireless Controller, Xbox 360 20GB hard drive, Xbox 360 Headset an Xbox 360 Play and Charge Kit and more.

Good and bad price drops (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about 7 years ago | (#20149963)

Ok first things first.

We have
Core, previous price 300, new price 270
10% price drop on the cheapest item

Premium, previous price 400, new price 350
12.5% price drop on the mid-range item

Elite, previous price 480, new price 450
6.25% price drop on the highest cost item?

(Is it any surprise apparently the Elite is selling well at the moment, cough cough? mm)

On another nother, we've been informed today that Canada's prices are dropping and they are much closer inline with the US price (after conversion).

The real question on everyones lips (besides you American fellows) is what about the rest of us?
Europe, Australia and New Zealand (and others) are more than aware of the typical 'rape'* tax applied to electronic items from the states, we've grown used to it but the consoles have been especially nasty of late
(Example hard disks and CPU's - around 15% more expensive than the states AFTER conversion)
Consoles however... up to 30% more expensive than the states after currency conversion! (ouch!)

Right now the Premium is RRP of 649$ AUD here which is 555$ US a far cry from 400$ US, let alone 350$ US
What I and many others hope for is a price drop in our regions which not only includes the standard reduction in manufacturing costs but also includes the currency changes (obviously they should keep a buffer incase)

I'd personally like to see the US $350 ($409 AUD) 360 Premium become 459 or 499$ AUD at most.
The core is mostly discontinued in Aus (and should never have been damn well created in the first place!)
The Elite is _STILL_ not available in Australia! but the rumours have been strongly looking at 749$ AUD
I'd like to see the new $450 360 Elite ($525 AUD) at $600 AUD or 650$ at most.

If this happens or not, that's another story, many of us have been holding out for a 'reliable edition' console with 65nm parts and better cooling, I know I won't be purchasing one until it's under 600$ and actually reliable.

Re:Good and bad price drops (1)

cafeman (46922) | about 7 years ago | (#20151857)

Europe, Australia and New Zealand (and others) are more than aware of the typical 'rape'* tax applied to electronic items from the states, we've grown used to it but the consoles have been especially nasty of late (Example hard disks and CPU's - around 15% more expensive than the states AFTER conversion)

Don't forget that unlike US prices, Australian pricing has 10% Goods and Service Tax included in the quoted price. I paid AU$530 for my 360 Professional including Forza 2, equivalent to roughly US$450. Subtract the 10% GST we pay, and that's down to US$405 for the Pro version with a decent game. And, more importantly, that was before the announced price cut - from what I can see, I paid US$5 more than retail rates and got Forza 2 for free. I'd be curious to know what competitive US market rates are for the same deal - here in Australia, very few companies have been charging retail for the 360. At least, not the ones actually selling them with any success.

Re:Good and bad price drops (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about 7 years ago | (#20152499)

Yeah I heard these 530$ rumours, when did this happen? I've never seen better than 599$ AUD with PGR3 about 6 months back.

Then again, I shouldn't even inquire :)I just refuse to buy a non 65nm model and I must MUST have black.

Re:Good and bad price drops (1)

cafeman (46922) | about 7 years ago | (#20153445)

Officeworks had a standard retail offer of $580 for the Premium with Forza 2 during their recent sale. However, they also offer 5% off to shareholders and it's fairly easy to get a 10% off for family and friends voucher if you have a look around online and keep your eyes open. I'll admit I got a potentially atypical deal because of the voucher, but most places definitely aren't selling the Premium at retail - they're well under, especially when they bundle a game. But, on the same note, it's not like I'm unique - it's fairly easy to get one at around $530 - $550 if you really want to. I can't think of any competitive retail outlet that's selling it without a game for $650 - a five minute shop-around will get you a 360 with a game for around $590 with minimal effort.

Have a look through here [palgn.com.au] for current deals. The pick of the litter at the moment is probably JB, with the 360 + DoA4 / PGR3 / Forza 2 for $639. Or, you can buy the Pro on its own for $537, equivalent to US$414 after subtracting GST (only US$14 higher than US RRP). Personally, I just think most people aren't aware of the level of discounting available at market prices in Australia - they think RRP is normal.

Re:Good and bad price drops (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about 7 years ago | (#20153671)

Agreed on the RRP thing with Australia but what's interesting is from what I hear, in the US RRP is RRP firm, very few get the consoles for less than 399$ US - there's been one or two deals but not much else.

Whereas we had effectively an 80$+ AUD price drop (depending on your thoughts on PGR3) as much as 6 months ago.

It's still too expensive though :)

Thanks for the info and link.

$50 discount for a faulty console (0, Troll)

Mark Gillespie (866733) | about 7 years ago | (#20157477)

Not a very good deal in my eyes..

Price Drop? They're giving them away for free.. (1)

Brickwall (985910) | about 7 years ago | (#20213999)

A Canadian computer firm, MDG, has been advertising for the last two weeks that any notebook or system purchase beyond their base system will be accompanied by a free (as in beer) X-box.

Since they offer qualifying notebooks for as low as $699, and desktops for $599, (which includes system, monitor, OS, and a software bundle including Corel and MS-Works, etc.), it seems to me that the X-box is being given to MDG pretty darn cheap.

This looks like Barbie-doll marketing to me - give away the doll, and make all the money on the outfits. I don't know what cut MS gets from Xbox game sales, but I'd be expecting them to increase it..

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