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Apple Updates iMac, iLife, .Mac

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the more-goodies dept.

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Apple just announced new iMacs. They are aluminum and come in 20" (two models) and 24". There's a new view called "Events" in iPhoto that should make it easier to deal with large photo libraries. Apple's .Mac service is enhanced with .Mac Web Gallery, which integrates with the new iTunes and also the iPhone. It's a Web 2.0 app now. And iMovie is being replaced by a completely new app of the same name. Steve Jobs claimed that with it you can put together a 5-minute movie in 30 minutes, and he demo'ed that from the stage. iWeb, iDVD, and GarageBand get new features too. And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage. Here is Engadget's blow-by-blow coverage, and Wired's.

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I, for one, welcome our... (-1, Troll)

Will the Chill (78436) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144733)

over-branded fanboy-pleasing crapintosh overlords!

-WtC

*please insert sig*

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (1)

ben0207 (845105) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144761)

So gushingly glad you made the effort to post that.

New iMac looks pretty sweet, though not yet convinced by that keyboard.

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (5, Insightful)

radicalskeptic (644346) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144845)

not yet convinced by that keyboard.

You know, I was thinking the same thing.

A lot of people dislike the MacBook keyboards. They look nice, but the keys don't travel far enough for some people, which messes up the tactile feedback. And these new keyboards look very similar to the MacBook keyboards, plus they're extremely thin, which would also suggest a short travel distance for the keys.

But of course, until I check them out next week at the Apple store, it's all speculation.

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (1)

dal20402 (895630) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145051)

Personally, I think short key travel is more ergonomic, although I'd prefer to see contoured keys (as on MBP and most other laptops) rather than the flat MacBook-style keys. After typing mostly on laptops for the last couple years, the long travel on desktop keyboards makes my hands hurt.

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145055)

They look nice, but...
This seems to be a common phrase wherever Apple products are concerned.

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (2, Informative)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145321)

A lot of people dislike the MacBook keyboards.

Yeah. I have a Macbook pro, almost a $3000 computer; and the keyboard is terrible. As is the one-button trackpad. I love OSX, but I'm afraid the physical design of the Mac keyboards is just pitiful, totally focused on looks and not usability. I've got a full-size Mac keyboard at my desktop on my Mac Mini, that's a much better keyboard — full numeric keypad, better key travel — but it still isn't even close to the best keyboards out there which have positive tactile feedback, illumination (though my MBP has KB illumination, which I appreciate), and ergonomic curves. Hey, but my Mac keyboard is white. [cough].

This is compounded by the OS's taking over all the function keys. For a *nix-based OS, this is a pretty inconvenient and poorly thought-out choice. And it isn't all that easy to get the FKeys to behave properly in a terminal; I'm not sure why, but some keys just don't want to come "unstuck" from the OS.

Oh well. There are some third-party Mac keyboards [deckkeyboards.com] out there already; hopefully this latest back-to-the-chiclet-past effort from Apple will encourage others to make some really good Mac keyboards.

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (3, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145779)

Yeah. I have a Macbook pro, almost a $3000 computer; and the keyboard is terrible.


Funny, I love mine, and previously I was a diehard Model M user.

As is the one-button trackpad.


Switch on right-click support in the System Preferences or use the Ctrl key.

Personally, I use Ctrl for right-click even when I'm using Linux on a system with a 4-button trackball.

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (4, Informative)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145449)

And a lot of people, on the other hand, love laptop keyboards in general for the very reasons you listed. Furthermore, a lot of people spend much of their young life with a laptop as their primary rig, so they're actually more used to it than a traditional keyboard. It's kind of a moot point. Some people will be excited by the keyboards. Some people will hate them. And for many, the keyboard will not have a large net effect on their purchasing decisions.

I do give them props for doing something different (or, if it's been done already, making it standard). I just wish they'd also have an option which brings ergonomics into play, even if it might end up looking like Gaudi made it.

Re:I, for one, welcome our... (2, Interesting)

BluMeNe (1035866) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145809)

honestly the keyboard isn't the seller for me. I'll be ordering my first ever Mac computer tonight when i get home. I've been waiting since about April for them to update the iMac and now i will put my money where my mouth is...i sure hope the Apple tastes sweet.

Down with the Apple monopoly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145181)

I will never understand how FOSSies can think it's evil to charge for Windows (and software in general)... but they spooge all over their 15 year old Lunix machine when they discuss Apple stuff.

Apple is a far more brutal monopoly than Microsoft could ever dream of being. Apple destroyed the Apple-compatible market, they destroyed the Apple reseller market, and they shut down any store which dared to sell Apple stuff. Now if you want anything more than an iPod, you need to buy directly from Apple. And oh wow... iTunes doesn't sync with any MP3 player besides an iPod.

That's a pretty brutal monopoly in my book. And everything they sell is at least 50% more expensive than it's PC-based counterpart.

Re:Down with the Apple monopoly (2, Informative)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145311)

While I don't disagree with you for the most part, they have opened up lately.

Check out Newegg and Microcenter. You can buy Macs at both places. Dunno if there are others, I don't go looking to buy Macs typically.

Re:Down with the Apple monopoly (3, Informative)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145393)

they shut down any store which dared to sell Apple stuff.
Overall, I agree with your post, but there are still a few stores which sell Macs besides Apple stores. There's a store around here, Yes Computers [yescomputers.com] that sells and services Apple systems and accessories. It is true though that they seem to have done a pretty good job of keeping stores from carrying their products (besides the iPod).

Re:Down with the Apple monopoly (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145655)

Fry's Electronics, located all over Dallas and other regions of Texas sells macs and ipods of every type and variety. I believe the agreement here is that they stick with prices which are dictated by apple. No more, no less than exactly what Apple dictates. And I don't believe they can be serviced in the stores PC service department, but do offer the Apple Care program.

Re:Down with the Apple monopoly (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145435)

There is humor in the fact that as I read your post, there is an ad at the top of the page for smalldog.com, a retailer which sells more than just ipods.

Re:Down with the Apple monopoly (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145615)

50% more expensive? It's higher than that $700 for an additional 2GB of RAM (When I specced out the 24" version)? Maybe they need to use 'special' heatsinks like the Mac Pro. Considering this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 2E16820145177 [newegg.com] is only $156, I'm guessing it must be something else.

Re:Down with the Apple monopoly (4, Informative)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145869)

Well, first, Apple isn't a monopoly. They have viable competitors in every market in which they compete, and insofar as that is the case, the behaviors you describe (which are called "vertical integration", or "anti-competitive practices" if and only if you already have a monopoly) aren't "brutal" so much as "a business and design choice".

They destroyed the Mac clone market and reseller market because those things were destroying Apple. At that time (the late 90's), Linux wasn't nearly as mature or widely-adopted as it is today and the destruction of Apple would have, as far as almost everyone could predict, led to a total Microsoft monopoly. Microsoft was already starting to displace commercial UNIX in some segments. Other companies had licenses to manufacture Apple hardware designs with Apple software, including the Apple ROM that (at the time) was necessary for the OS to run. Those license payments weren't enough to allow Apple to continue existing and developing their OS, so Apple refused to extend those licenses to future technology (the CHRP common hardware platform, Mac OS 8) and purchased back the licenses it had already granted.

The real question is whether it's acceptable to sell integrated systems that are capable of working together above and beyond the interoperability offered by open standards. When I look across the fence at the hardware support issues Linux and Windows are struggling with, I'm pretty happy with how green the grass is over here. And if I wasn't, I'm still perfectly able to get a new OS and new hardware. That's the difference between a monopoly and a competitor who offers a significantly different solution.

Why is this here now? (0, Offtopic)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144765)

The event is going on for another hour still. They just added that they're updating iWork too. Damn, talk about jumping the gun.

Re:Why is this here now? (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144993)

Why not? That way we can put updates on for an hour. Sounds like rumors of he Mac Mini's demise were premature. They just announced an update for it.

Re:Why is this here now? (1)

TrentC (11023) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145745)

The Mac Mini is getting Core 2 Duo processors! Sweet! But the store page still says 802.11g, not 802.11n. Is this a "you need our 'enabler' to get 802.11n" thing or are they not going to 802.11n for the Mini?

The answer to this will determine if I snap one up or save a couple of months for an iMac.

Slashdot Updates Story, Adds iWork, Mac Mini, iPod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145123)

From the mysterious future

Apple's website not updated? (1)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144791)

I checked apple.com and haven't seen any updates yet. I think this is the first time in years where a product announcement has been made and their website wasn't updated at the same exact moment. :^)

Re:Apple's website not updated? (2, Insightful)

Rebelgecko (893016) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144823)

They're probably waiting until Steve Jobs is done announcing new products so there are no "spoilers."

Re:Apple's website not updated? (2, Insightful)

0racle (667029) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145019)

The store went offline just before it started, this is exactly how things are usually handled.

Glossy screens OUCH!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145483)

Glossy screens have been scientifically proven to cause eyestrain, headaches and premature need for glasses because the eye keeps trying to focus between the two images.

Steve Jobs says "Customers prefer glossy screens" But this is a in Store poll or results from some sales from the ignorant young of the dangers of glossy screens.

Us OLDER longtime computer and CRT users know glossy screens cause eyestrain. In FACT a MacPoll Survey shows overwhelmingly that people choose MATTE SCREENS OVER GLOSSY.

So is Apple ripe for a lawsuit?

Finally (4, Funny)

Lockejaw (955650) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144843)

And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage.
Yay, now there's enough space to actually put something there!

Re:Finally (2, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145737)

Yay, now there's enough space to actually put something there!

They stillmissed it by an order of magnitude. Maybe next year.

I'll wait for an updated mini (0)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144847)

I'm not really into all-in-ones at present since all I do is plug my screen into my tower, laptop, or mini at present.

HOWever - if Apple did manage to introduce something along the lines of this bit of fan-fic (with OS interface extensions to match), I'd be drooling, barking at the moon and standing in line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxa3zHdRxxA [youtube.com]

Still, it's a nice update.

Re:I'll wait for an updated mini (1)

dal20402 (895630) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145085)

I'm not really into all-in-ones either, but you can plug your screen into an iMac and use both at once (up to 1920x1200).

Re:I'll wait for an updated mini (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145365)

I think the point may be more along the lines of having only one screen.

Ex: he only has the desk space of one monitor taken up, even with 3 computers. (or in my case, four - I wouldn't buy an iMac if I were to buy a Mac, for the same reasons). The fix would be to have teh iMac screen allowed to switch to external input rather than just the mac that it is part of. I.E. use with a KVM.

That time of the year again (4, Funny)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144853)

"On the morning of Steve Jobs's keynote presentation, the online Apple store grinds to a halt as Mac-heads set their browsers to refresh every 15 seconds."

(from the Apple Product Life Cycle) [misterbg.org]

Re:That time of the year again (1)

Bootle (816136) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145489)

Hmm, that explains why they just take it down beforehand with a "We'll be back soon" soon

They've given up

I know I say this every time, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Jethro (14165) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144873)

13" MacBookPro! 13" MacBookPro! 13" MacBookPro!!!!!

Please?

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144979)

D-nyd.

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145053)

And I'll keep asking for it!

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145171)

Like the unpopular kid at the elementary school dance asking for a date.

The key is to keep asking until they feel sorry for you.

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (0, Offtopic)

Jethro (14165) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145215)

Nah. I'm more going "Hey Apple, I have $2000 for you if you make a laptop I want."

So it's more like trying to get a high-class prostitute.

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145309)

So no matter how much cash your throwing at this whore, she is still denying you... I think thats sadder than the kid at the high school dance:P

Just kidding with that bud:)

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145389)

That's just THEIR loss (;

I'm waiting till the next OS X comes out, and then I'll probably get a new laptop. I might end up with a MacBook, but I'm really hoping there'll be a 13.3" MacBookPro. Cause I /hate/ the keyboard on the MacBook.

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145649)

It's really not that bad. I'm using it right now. I like it more than my dell laptop keyboard. The thing I find is people think the keys are that much more spread out and it in turn messes up their typing. The reality is if you look at the very top of the keys on a typical keyboard, even a laptop (though the keys are much shorter profile), the "hat" of the key has as much of a gap as there are on macbook keyboards. The keys are much quieter, and offer me much more feedback than a regular laptop key. They also don't feel like they're going to pop right off like my dell laptop's keys.

Re:I know I say this every time, but... (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145707)

Have you compared them to the keys on a MacBookPro, though? Same keyboard I have on my current PB12. I love this thing's keyboard. Better than any laptop keyboard I've ever had.

Now if only it was ergonomic...

Come to the PC side! (1, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145323)

If you want the same security, stability, and lack of choice in software you had on your Mac, you can run Linux!

But here's the best part...

We don't have to beg for anything! In fact, they beg us to buy their products, because PC manufacturers actually have something called "competition"! What a novel concept!

Re:Come to the PC side! (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145795)

We don't have to beg for anything!

Well, the pretty-pleases to Adobe haven't been working well. And begging is for the lupine pest at my feet.

It's Applications.
Applications.
Applications.

And GIMP does not count.

New iMac keyboard (1)

Rebelgecko (893016) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144885)

The iMac will also come with a new Bluetooth keyboard that will look like this prototype./a [engadget.com]

Re:New iMac keyboard (1)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144941)

Almost. They've announced two keyboards: a small (laptop layout, more or less) BT keyboard, and a full-size wired keyboard that looks like the Engadget photos.

Re:New iMac keyboard (1)

mzs (595629) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145057)

Why can't the BT one have some kind of pointing device built-in? Then it would have been perfect for using from the couch. I guess since the iMac does not have any typical (VGA/DVI/HDMI) video in it is not really intended to be used that way.

Re:New iMac keyboard (2, Funny)

rthille (8526) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145279)

Just switch to emacs. Pointing devices, we have no need of pointing devices...

Geez (4, Funny)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144933)

Can we wait until the press event is over before an article is posted about it? At present isn't there still a product on stage under black cloth? Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?

Re:Geez (1)

Jeek Elemental (976426) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145101)

bet its the stone tablet someone handed to Steve while he was out climbing. sorry, iTablet.

Re:Geez (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145189)

Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?
Windows Vista.

Re:Geez (2, Informative)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145227)

The new iMacs are underneath the black cloth. Steve just covered them up after he showed them off.

Re:Geez (1)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145305)

That's what I would have thought based on the pictures on Engadget, but prior to this article being posted, I caught a report on CNBC where they were talking about the new iMacs and also mentioned that there was an item under a black cloth that had yet to be revealed.

It's possible that CNBC made a mistake though, but I believe they had a correspondant at the press event. In any case, at the time this article was posted the event wasn't over, so it's still a little strange that it got posted.

Re:Geez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145467)

"Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?" Not sure I agree with your logic here.

Software's the name of the game (2, Interesting)

solar_blitz (1088029) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144967)

With their spreadsheet application and upgrade to Pages to include a word processor, it looks like Apple wants to establish an entire office productivity suite. I wonder if it will be a successor to WriteNow in the near future?

Re:Software's the name of the game (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145141)

Allow me to suggest that they improve their graph making software.

It pains me to see a company so concerned with aesthetics put together a graph like the one Engadget has a photo of. I'd think the Apple Corporation could afford a Tufte book.

It's a Web 2.0 app now... (5, Funny)

Biff Stu (654099) | more than 6 years ago | (#20144975)

But is it backwards compatible with Web 1.0?

Some of us Luddites are a bit slow to upgrade.

Re:It's a Web 2.0 app now... (2, Insightful)

RockoTDF (1042780) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145045)

I smell a new meme....

Re:It's a Web 2.0 app now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145187)

"But is it backwards compatible with Web 1.0?"

You mean: Does it "degrade gracefully" -- i.e., still work sort-of -- if you haven't got good JavaScript support?

Anyone's guess. Wait for an example to be posted and visit it with whatever it is you're browsing with. To be frank, there's a lot of AJAX stuff that doesn't work with Safari 2: Apple have been late to this game even if they are leapfrogging ahead now.

iphone update? (1)

venicebeach (702856) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145059)

"Out with your iPhone, we've added "Send to Web Gallery" on your iPhone. Pick one, emails to special address, that photo will show up on your web gallery. Can tell friends about it, View others' web galleries right on your iPhone, great iPhone experience, fully integrated."
Does this mean we're getting an iPhone update?

Re:iphone update? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145185)

Nope the option is already there.. is you are a .mac subscriber. wasn't there during lunch time.

I got a small chuckle from.... (5, Funny)

Schnoogs (1087081) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145105)

...this quote. "There are some people who still want to make DVDs" I guess these's a fringe movement of people who want to cater to the 100 million or so DVD players out there! ;) Someone tell these people that DVD is soooooooooooo last year! Other than that everything looked pretty solid.

Re:I got a small chuckle from.... (1)

Otter Escaping North (945051) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145289)

"There are some people who still want to make DVDs" I guess these's a fringe movement of people who want to cater to the 100 million or so DVD players out there! ;) Someone tell these people that DVD is soooooooooooo last year! Other than that everything looked pretty solid.

Earlier this year I wanted to get an iMovie of the littlest Otter sent to my grandmother...since they thoughtlessly did not include iVHS to their media suite, I was forced to hook it up myself. Thank goodness for the analog hole!

Yeah, I think there'll be a market for iDVD for a while. Hell, there's a market for GarageBand. ;P

Re:I got a small chuckle from.... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145291)

Well, DVD is kind of constraining. If you have a device that you can just plug into any TV, then you don't have to deal with any sort of format limitations. As long as your transport device can play the file and feed it through a suitable video output, you don't need to know what format it's in.

DVD's are just will dealing with the old foggies you know that haven't moved on to ipods or MythTV.

Re:I got a small chuckle from.... (2, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145727)

People still want to make DVDs? Go figure.

I've yet to see a better way to get widescreen standard definition video to my family. If there's one I'm missing, I hope Steve Jobs will enlighten us.

Video Coverage? (2)

bunburyist (664958) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145117)

Anyone got some video of the keynote?

Mac mini refreshed today too (3, Informative)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145129)

In case someone's wondering, the Mac mini will be refreshed today. This was mentioned during their Q & A. But there was no mention of any specs.

Re:Mac mini refreshed today too (5, Informative)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145307)

Specs on Apple's site now:

1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive1

Ships: Within 24 hours
Free Shipping
$599.00

---------

2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
120GB hard drive1

Ships: Within 24 hours
Free Shipping
$799.00

Re:Mac mini refreshed today too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145369)

Strange, I'm not seeing any changes in the spec on http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html [apple.com]

Re:Mac mini refreshed today too (1)

forkazoo (138186) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145491)

Specs on Apple's site now:

1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive1

Ships: Within 24 hours
Free Shipping
$599.00


Ugh. I was really hoping that the Mini would return to $499. Oh well.

Re:Mac mini refreshed today too (1)

strredwolf (532) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145743)

Gha!!! I was going to go out and buy the old origional Core Duo Mini, and now they're bumping the speed, chip, memory, and HD space for the same price!!! AAAAIIIIEEEE don't know what to do on Wednesday...

Wow, does he really talk like that? (4, Funny)

Sax Maniac (88550) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145139)

Talk short. No long sentence. Simple words. Over soon. Screw verbs. Noun adjective. Adjective noun. Noun, noun, noun. And, articles! So, no prepositions. Adverbs bad. Baaaad adverbs, no-no-no. See Dick run. Run, Dick run!

Re:Wow, does he really talk like that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145235)

Yes. Journalists will mis-report anything in a sentence longer than four words.

Re:Wow, does he really talk like that? (3, Informative)

e4g4 (533831) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145559)

Jobs talks fast. Much info to convey, little time. Drop most possible words w/o losing meaning. Called "liveblogging".

Unless, of course, you can read/write stenographer's shorthand. Otherwise, I see no other way of of relaying the Stevenote, given that live audio and video wasn't an option.

"Blow-by-blow" coverage? (1, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145143)

(apologies in advance)

Do we really need that kind of visual, considering fanbois' well-documented oral fixation with everything Apple?

*ducks*

Re:"Blow-by-blow" coverage? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145219)

Do we really need that kind of visual, considering fanbois' well-documented oral fixation with everything Apple?
Oral fixation? What else does one do with an apple other than eat it?

Re:"Blow-by-blow" coverage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145367)

What about eating a peach then?

Re:"Blow-by-blow" coverage? (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145755)

drink the juice.

Aluminum Colour Cases (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145173)

Is it just me or is the whole industrial brushed aluminum appearance of "modern" devices go against the entire concept of aesethics? I would have preferred that Apple keep the white and added black as a colour for the iMacs.

A few thoughts (4, Interesting)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145233)

first quote: "What about AMD chips?"

Steve: "We use Intel chips"

hehehe, sounded a li'l like the intel chip implanted into his head kicked in there.

second, why is the imac so underpowered in the RAM department, I mean the specs in one of the pictures showed the iMacs, all the way up to the biggest $1800 version only has 1gig- with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

Finally, is it just me, or have they slighyl repackaged everything, made no huge advances, like for example, why did they bother to minimize a keyboard, which for someone like me, would just be annoying. iLife? It's had nothing added, they just repackaged every single feature, and when asked why .mac doesn't support HD Jobs goes- Well, we do support HD, well actually slightly less than HD- you know what I call not quite HD- NOT HD! Everything just seemed a little small fry.

Re:A few thoughts (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145339)

with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?


Where are you buying your computers? Even the $6000 gaming system from dell comes with 2GB by default.

Re:A few thoughts (1)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145433)

Take a look at newegg.com and places like it, 2gigabytes isn't that unusual. I'm not saying I'd expect them all to have it, but they are high end machines, they should be high end specs in all respects otherwise you're limiting the other aspects.

Re:A few thoughts (0)

jstomel (985001) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145659)

OSX isn't the memory hog that windows is. You don't need as much RAM

Re:A few thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145733)

These are not Apple's high-end machines. For those you want to see the Mac Pro. I do agree, however, that the 24" model really should come with 2gb. It's not going to add that much to the cost.

Re:A few thoughts (2, Insightful)

sketchydave (924305) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145439)

This launch is a case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Improvements on the iMac with a thinner design and using glass and aluminum. Cool. A few updates to iLife and a new spreadsheet program in iWorks, very cool. The keyboard does bother me. Personally I like a nice heavy keyboard that can withstand blunt force trauma...or inflict it on others. But its a keyboard and easily replaced just as the original mice were when Apple insisted on the one-button approach.

Re:A few thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145621)

>second, why is the imac so underpowered in the RAM department

Buying RAM through Apple is very expensive. Most people go through a third party.

Re:A few thoughts (3, Interesting)

reidconti (219106) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145761)

My 2.66Ghz quad-core Mac Pro only has 1GB RAM. It's not really intentional, I just didn't want to pay $300 for another gig of FB-DIMMs when I bought it last August; figured I'd skip the Apple Tax and buy it third-party.

Then I found out third-party companies were selling it for the same absurd price.

So I told myself I'd wait a few months for the price to drop, since it would inevitably fall like a rock when more companies started shipping the Core 2 Extreme with chipsets requiring FB-DIMMs. Then it was announced that the FB-DIMM wasn't going to be on Intel's future roadmap.. d'oh!

Prices haven't dropped like a rock, but slowly declined instead.. now I can get 4GB for around $300.

But the thing is, the system doesn't really need it. I admit that it's already total overkill for what I use it for, but I was rewarding myself for using my 600Mhz iBook G3 for 5 years, including all thru college, and that maxed out at 640MB. With Tiger, and a bunch of widgets running, yeah, I can feel when it starts swapping -- usually at about the 15th Safari window or so. However, the system is so damn fast -- and I'm running RAID 0 on my main volume -- that the swapping is really just a minor annoyance. I keep finding better things to spend money on than more memory for my already blazing fast computer.

So, to make a long story short, 1GB is plenty for a "desktop" Mac. Most users would be much better served by 2GB, but most users would ALSO be much better served by Apple bundling as little possible so that the buyer can choose whether they want to install the RAM themselves, or have Apple do it.

Brushed metal (2, Interesting)

Arathon (1002016) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145387)

Am I the only one who thinks it's ironic that they've only recently completely done away with brushed metal in their user interfaces, in favor of a more plastic-y, smooth feel, but are now introducing brushed metal iMacs to replace their plastic-y, smooth-looking old ones?

I like the change, but...how? Some auto-negation bug in the intra-office memo software? "!brushed_metal = brushed_metal....SENT"

Re:Brushed metal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145827)

If you look at the Leopard screenshots on the Apple site, the windows look brushed metal enough to jive with brushed metal enclosures.

Can we please kill off "Web X.Y"? (2, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145391)

It's a Web 2.0 app now

No it's not, because there's no such thing as a "version" of the Internet OR the World Wide Web.

Just because O'Reilly and a bunch of bloggers like it, doesn't mean you should use it.

Re:Can we please kill off "Web X.Y"? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145653)

Hopefully your issue will be resolved by the time Web 2.1 is released.

Re:Can we please kill off "Web X.Y"? (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145871)

I don't use the Web. I'm waiting for Web for Workgroups 3.11.

BUMMER! "You can't be to thin ... (1)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145431)

... Or to powerfull."

But your integrated screen can still be to high!

This is what annoys me the most about the iMac and they didn't fix it. I'm using a 20" iMac at my current client and the screen is about 8-10cm to high for my tast. And you can only pivot it on the iMacs, not raise or lower it. I'd've thought they'd've fixed that with this release. Shame they didn't.

Re:BUMMER! "You can't be to thin ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20145473)

Mac users are above all that, I suggest you buy yourself a booster seat!

Not offtopic because of parent's sig (1)

75th Trombone (581309) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145601)

Polite mistake pointing-out: every instance of "to" in your above post should be "too." When you can replace the word with "overly", it has two Os.

Re:BUMMER! "You can't be to thin ... (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145829)

Exactly why I didn't buy an iMac to replace my old "Luxo Jr" iMac.

Would it really be so hard to make the iMac height adjustable?

VESA mount... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145837)

I assume you'll be able to get something like this [smalldog.com] for the new iMacs...

iWork - Numbers! (4, Interesting)

2starr (202647) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145443)

But the more important announcement (IMHO) is iWork which now includes Numbers: http://www.apple.com/iwork/ [apple.com] Finally, I can get rid of Office.

Balloons (1, Funny)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145477)

"Here are photos of girls with balloons. I don't want to throw them away, just hide them."
That is a direct quote of Steve Jobs from the Engadget article. Apparently he accidentally revealed his women popping balloons [slashdot.org] porn on stage, and then tried to hide it.

They could make the iMac more expandable (1, Interesting)

Burz (138833) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145625)

Even laptops have drive bays and PC Card slots ya know, and there's no reason (not even looks) why iMacs couldn't have these features.

iMac and VMWare (3, Interesting)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 6 years ago | (#20145757)

I've been considering a Mac desktop for a while, and now that a new one is out, perhaps I'll buy it.

One thing I need, though, is to be able to run Linux and OpenBSD in virtual machines on my desktop. Does anyone have any experience with how the new VMWare Fusion compares to VMWare Workstation? Is there any difference between the two (aside from the price, and that unity view for Windows, which does not affect me)? I mean, in terms of features and running other OSes?

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