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Ubuntu Dell Now In UK, France, and Germany

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the world-domination dept.

Linux Business 183

mrcgran writes "Dell announced the availability of Ubuntu in Europe and future plans for China. 'I hinted at this before, but today, it's official: Dell announced that consumers in the United Kingdom, France and Germany can order an Inspiron 6400 notebook or an Inspiron 530N desktop with Ubuntu 7.04 pre-installed... In his LinuxWorld keynote, Kevin Kettler announced that Dell and Novell intend to offer SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 factory-installed on select consumer notebooks and desktops in China.'"

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183 comments

God Smack Your Ass !! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151335)

God Smack Your Ass !!

Hopefully (0, Redundant)

jimbug (1119529) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151361)

this will expand to the rest of Europe soon.

Your grammar sucks. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151531)

You cannot use the word "hopefully" that way. Hopefully can only be used as an adverb. A correct usage could be "she waits hopefully." You need to go back to school. You are an illiterate moron. Never substitute "hopefully for "I hope!" Maybe you shouldn't have been looking out the Window during English class.

The CAPTCHA is "athletes."

Re:Your grammar sucks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151605)

Fuck you. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151645)

People who say a language can "evolve" are fucking asshats. A language is like an RFC. It doesn't change. So go fuck yourself! You are just using this to justify not paying attention to your English teacher in high school. I am the same Anonymous Coward that posted above. By the way, I capitalized window in the previous post. Window is not a proper noun. I hope that clears up any confusion.

The CAPTCHA is "knotted."

Re:Fuck you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151739)

Goolly..... I had not' realised that the typing on internet was a toll of such useful that makes people mad. May be that if you cann not read past such errors withput a spike in blood pressure that you mightn't read at'll. Hope my words can be readed by you.

Re:Fuck you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151961)

For someone who is preaching good grammar, you are using some very crude language. Starting a post with the title "Fuck you", calling people "fucking asshats", and using phrases like "go fuck yourself!" is not a very good way to make an intelligent argument.

Re:Fuck you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152077)

My friend with a head that resembles a penis, the mere use of the phrase "asshat" and the existence of what is known as American English proves that language can and will evolve.

Re:Fuck you. (1)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152537)

Interesting. Now, get yourself a time machine and go read that paragraph to Chaucer, and see how much he understands. He spoke English, right...should be exactly the same.

LANGUAGE EVOLUTION ON THE MOVE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152595)

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Re:Fuck you. (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153777)

Ita vero, amice!

Re:Your grammar sucks. (1)

tap (18562) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153735)

You cannot use the word "hopefully" that way. Hopefully can only be used as an adverb. A correct usage could be "she waits hopefully."
Frankly, Anonymous Coward, I don't give a damn.

In case that went over your head, look up disjunct adverbs.

Canada? (5, Interesting)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151367)

Why wouldn't Dell extend this deal into Canada?

Seems like the next logical step since Canada is a very similar market to the U.S.

I don't buy the excuse that they would have to deal with French language regulations, since they're extending their deal to France and to another non-English country, namely, Germany.

Re:Canada? (1)

fosterNutrition (953798) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151467)

Definitely a weird move... While this is obviously not a representative sample of the whole population of Canada, I know of at least two people who were holding off on much-needed laptop purchases in the hopes of Canada making that list. Guess Dell won't be getting their business yet.

Re:Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151687)

Definitely a weird move... While this is obviously not a representative sample of the whole population of Canada, I know of at least two people who were holding off on much-needed laptop purchases in the hopes of Canada making that list. Guess Dell won't be getting their business yet.
So it's a representation of about 20% of Canada?

Re:Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151949)

So it's a representation of about 20% of Canada?
No, because I want one too. So it's 30% of Canada. Pricktits.

Re:Canada? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151499)

Also, Linux does quite well on the i8n front. Installing Mandriva, there was more languages then I could even name. Also, being a Canadian, I don't think that they are required to sell all their products in French. You don't see the book stores selling all the same books in both French and English. Then again, all the video games come with a French manual, even if the entire game is in English.

Re:Canada? (1)

Drakkoon (857582) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152387)

If they want to sell in Québec, then they need to sell in french, it's required by the law here that everything is bilingual, but they already sell most models with french keyboards and french Vista. You can by a 1420 with french Vista, but you can't even by a 1420 with english Ubuntu over here. So I guess french isn't the problem.

Re:Canada? (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152585)

But does Ubuntu have an appropriate French Canadian localization? Selling a French France localization wouldn't work (since the languages are too different) and they can't sell just english either (because of the law) so they would need to do a French Canadian localization for Ubuntu.

Also, I don't believe there are laws in France requiring items to be sold in French.

Re:Canada? (5, Funny)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152955)

Every non-Quebecois I know wishes Quebec would follow through on those threats to secede they make from time to time.

Why don't the other provinces just get together in a preemptive strike and kick Quebec out? If it's not consitutional, you could make it constitutional with only Quebec in opposition. Heck, if they even get wind of it, they'd get up on their high horse and just go ahead and secede and you'd be free of them :)

Then you could have Dells with Ubuntu right now :)

Re:Canada? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153115)

Why don't the other provinces just get together in a preemptive strike and kick Quebec out?

Because Quebec controls the St. Lawrence Seaway, which is a major strategic/economic lifeline for a significant part of the Canadian interior. (Because it connects the Great Lakes to the Atlantic ocean, and gets used to take grain out.)

Perhaps that's not as big an issue as it once was -- I suspect there are many more grain exports to the U.S. and Asia than there are to Europe, now that the Cold War is over and people in Western Europe can get grain from former Eastern Bloc countries -- but I think that's one of the reasons why the rest of Canada will never just 'let go' of the entire eastern third (or so) of their country.

more complicated (-1, Flamebait)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151685)

Marketing a notebook to French-Canadians isn't as simple as selling them to the citizens of France. Native French users typically only use variations of "surrender", while the Canadians are prone to more complex language use.

Ack! No! I was kidding! Put down the butter knife!

Re:Canada? (1)

fireheadca (853580) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151823)

Quebec French language restrictions are probably to blame for this.

For example: France has 'Stop' signs whereas Quebec has 'Arretez'...

It should also be noted that Parisian french and Canadian french are bastard cousins of each other.

---
Dammit, it's my bike shed and it will be green.

Re:Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152331)

> It should also be noted that Parisian french and Canadian french are
> bastard cousins of each other.

No, Canadian French is the bastard cousin of Parisian French. Parisian French is actually beautiful to speak and listen to. Speaking and listening to Canadian French is like having a beaver maul your ears.

Re:Canada? (1)

Benaiah (851593) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151909)

Why wouldn't Dell extend this deal into Canada?
No way... Aus is a more of a bitch of the US then Canada.

We should get Ubuntu dells first!!!

Or Australia? (1)

Travy.b (815549) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152549)


I've contacted Dell on two different occasions asking why I am required to buy a computer with an Operating system I have no intention of using. Both times I received an email stating it had been referred to xyz and they would be in touch soon regarding my enquiry; Needless to say they have neglected to get back to me.

With any luck if the sales continue overseas we will finally see such offerings here. I don't use Ubuntu myself, so it would be wiped in favour of Deb, but at least I wouldn't be contributing to Microsofts coffers.

Re:Canada? (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152839)

All I hear is whining out of people about this topic. If they really want to learn Linux, they should install it themselves. These people really need to know what a bitch it is to find Linux drivers for some devices instead of having it all done for them. Especially new hardware!

Really I see these Ubuntu boxes as nothing more than Windoze boxes only this time the re-load disk is something other than Winblows.

Re:Canada? (1)

Hucko (998827) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153233)

Why so elitist? I only want it pre-installed to encourage more hardware support. Don't like it? Don't buy it. I would love to be able to buy one (I'm an Aussie), as a measure of my support of those supporting linux.

It is a good thing to popularise linux up to the point of critical mass for hardware manufacturers. As you should well know, at that point it becomes reasonable to expect manufacturers develop drivers for it. If that means ~25% of the market, I'd be happy.

LINUX SUCKS!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151373)

Linux sucks! Use Windows instead.

Re:LINUX SUCKS!!! (-1, Troll)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151855)

Windows sucks! Use BSD instead.

errr. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152057)

All operating systems suck! Use whatever you like.

Re:errr. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152459)

Everything sucks! Fuck all y'all!

Re:LINUX SUCKS!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20153381)

"Windows sucks! Use BSD instead."

You mean OS X, right?

Decision point (0, Offtopic)

jihadist (1088389) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151381)

Speaking for myself only, I'd like to see Linux get wider adoption but not become some kind of corporate product. Large corporations tend to take grassroots ideas and turn them into the Same Old Thing by applying the same old metrics to them, in short, in doing what corporations do. Remember how blogs used to be an alternative form of media, and now every newspaper is a blog and every blog links to a newspaper? Hint: it's not the guys in front of the screen, but the guys behind the screen that you must pay attention to.

Re:Decision point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151437)

Hint: it's not the guys in front of the screen, but the guys behind the screen that you must pay attention to.
Is that supposed to mean something? Do bloggers for newspapers use their computers by sticking their head inside their CRTs? If you're trying to make a point, you'd do a lot better by expressing it in a way that makes sense.

Re:Decision point (2, Interesting)

pboyd2004 (860767) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151455)

The way I see it choice is good. Dell or other OEMs selling other OSes than just Windows is good for the customer. Even if they try to make it "into the Same Old Thing" it is still a different choice and that's a good thing.

Re:Decision point (1)

tomshaq (1018286) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151463)

The fact is that when GNU/Linux is being pushed by large companies, the more people start to see it as a serious operating system and viable option, rather than a specialized nerd toy. Any step against the microsoft stranglehold is a good step for all consumers.

Re:Decision point (3, Insightful)

bberens (965711) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151699)

Linux is not a 'grass roots' operating system, and hasn't been for a long time. It's been a very capable server OS which is backed by several large corporations. It's just now making headway into the desktop market. It's sort of the reverse of what Windows did. Linux needs to shake its grass roots image if it wants to make bigger waves in the business world. Please stop referring to it as such because it only strengthens the idea that linux is a toy for hobbyists.

Re:Decision point (3, Informative)

Khyber (864651) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152631)

Linux isn't an operating system, it's a kernel. Ubuntu, Red Hat, Fedora, SUSE, those are operating systems powered by the Linux kernel.

*trying to dispel the Linux is an OS confusion*

I second that (1)

Burz (138833) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153251)

The notion (or assumption) of "the Linux OS" is a very unfortunate and confusing delusion in the world of software. It causes otherwise intelligent techies to start talking about a mythical FOSS operating system "Linux" as if users who are exposed to its various userland environments are having a shared experience. Yet the methods for setting up printers, network shares and applications can be wildly divergent between distros (or... the methods are mostly the same, just ignore the page and-a-half extra shell instructions for distro-X in order to get a supporting subsystem up and running).

Maybe you could say that each distro family like Debian/Ubuntu/Mepis, RedHat/CentOS/Fedora, Mandriva/PCLOS kind of represent an OS. Or perhaps you could say that LSB defines what could be considered an OS (almost).

On the whole, "Linux OS" is a misleading and self-defeating term when used outside of systems-programming environs. It raises expectations about user interface and interoperability standards that just don't exist between the distros.

Re:Decision point (1)

obsolete1349 (969869) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153415)

That's GNU/Linux to you!!!

Hobbyist Image (1)

HerbieStone (64244) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153397)

I kindly disagree.

While Linux (and the other opensource projects surrounding it) isn't just 'grass roots' as it once used to be the community and its individual (sometimes hobbyist) members are very important. It's good that the key developers around Linux are employed at companies where they can program for Linux and be paid for it. But where would Linux be without those many people writing bug-reports, howtos, translations and the like? Gentoo and Ubuntu wouldn't be half as popular if their many wiki entries wouldn't exist.

So while it isn't 'grass-roots' anymore its more like a community in which individuals and companies play their role.

And whats so bad with the hobbyists image? I myself am sick and tired of marketing types promising the moon and the sun and delivering nothing but hot air.

Wow... MS really fractured OSS community... (2, Interesting)

3seas (184403) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151451)

...but apparently its the OSS fractions that's wedging into territory occupied by MS...

tags leading to subscription page??? (0, Offtopic)

Will the Chill (78436) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151461)

Is anyone else being redirected to the /. subscription page when they click on the little arrow to allow entry of new tags for an article?!?

Thanks!
-WtC

*please enter sig*

Is this a win? (2, Insightful)

Mukunda_NZ (1078231) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151471)

I feel this is only a win if Ubuntu and Suse stop embracing proprietary, non-free (as in freedom) drivers. If they don't then the hardware manufacturers will still in in control of your computer, and you'll be at their mercy if there are bugs in the drivers which make the hardware unusable with your selected distro. Only if there is a push for free drivers will this be a win for everyone, rather than just for Ubuntu, Suse and others that happily ship non-free drivers.

Re:Is this a win? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151543)

You're an idiot.

Ubuntu ships with all default drivers being free. It also does not ship with any illegal or patent encumbered codecs - by default.

There are ways to install non-free software on Ubuntu, but having that option does not suddenly mean that free software is going to die a horrible death and everyone will get sick because their computers only run evil Microsoft code. Get a grip, and stop trolling.

Re:Is this a win? (3, Interesting)

bberens (965711) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151779)

I have mixed feelings about proprietary software on a Dell box. On one hand I try to promote the open source movement where I think it belongs (generally speaking any software that 'everyone needs'). On the other hand I can see many people wanting to try this 'open source' thing buying a computer from trusty Dell and going WTF when they can't play a DVD in their DVD drive. Dell, having complete power over what it installs in the box should have no problem choosing only hardware with open drivers. At the same time I wouldn't mind it too badly if they cut a deal a la Linspire so that users could (legally) get DVD playback.

Re:Is this a win? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152075)

On the other hand I can see many people wanting to try this 'open source' thing buying a computer from trusty Dell and going WTF when they can't play a DVD in their DVD drive.


And I see WTF right there, as proprietary drivers are not required to play DVD. You can play DVDs very well with readily available open source drivers. What are you trying to say, bberens? That spreading FUD is fun for you? Are you malicious or just ignorant?

Re:Is this a win? (4, Informative)

pilot1 (610480) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152123)

And I see WTF right there, as proprietary drivers are not required to play DVD. You can play DVDs very well with readily available open source drivers. What are you trying to say, bberens? That spreading FUD is fun for you? Are you malicious or just ignorant?
Proprietary drivers are not required to play DVDs, but this library [wikipedia.org] is.

Re:Is this a win? (2, Informative)

naich (781425) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153475)

No it isn't. That library is required to play DVDs that have been encrypted with CSS. Any other DVD plays fine without it.

Re:Is this a win? (2, Informative)

MooUK (905450) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153681)

That library is also completely open.

Re:Is this a win? (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153789)

Wrong. I have installed Ubuntu on two separate machines, and both times I got non-free drivers installed by default, and the 'restricted' component of the package repository enabled ('multiverse' too, I think).

Re:Is this a win? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151563)

Dell has been pushing ATI/AMD and other vendors for open-source drivers for a while now.

Re:Is this a win? (3, Informative)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151815)

While I agree that Open Sourcing either the drivers would be good, I think I'd rather have the full microcode for the chipsets. That would give several different groups a chance at making drivers. I'm not sure why AMD/ATI and NVidia don't release the assembly code, they may find they would not have to work as hard on drivers and they just might get some free assistance in tracking down bugs in both Windows and any other OS. Having said all that, I'd rather take these baby steps with Dell offering any pre-installed Linux, whether it has open or closed source drivers, than not having any computer with pre-installed Linux. Besides, Dell's Ubuntu laptop offering has Intel graphics and wireless chipsets.

Re:Is this a win? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152025)

I don't care what gets embraced as long as my computer and all its hardware works. I'm not going to sit around waiting for my screen to refresh just so I can have warm fuzzies about the video driver.

Re:Is this a win? (4, Insightful)

grcumb (781340) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152101)

I feel this is only a win if Ubuntu and Suse stop embracing proprietary, non-free (as in freedom) drivers. If they don't then the hardware manufacturers will still in in control of your computer, and you'll be at their mercy if there are bugs in the drivers which make the hardware unusable with your selected distro.

I am inclined to trust Mark Shuttleworth when he makes reasonable compromises to make PCs work today. I feel this way because he does so without relenting in his efforts to ensure that a Free Ubuntu remains available to all. It's obvious to anyone who watches how he spends his money that he really is committed to Software Freedom, and that Ubuntu and Canonical are simply means to achieve that end.

He is also a businessman who understands what is required to achieve acceptance of said Freedom in the real world. It's clear that there are interim steps involved, which involve dirtying one's shoes with proprietary kludges from time to time. It's a necessary step, not because of any innate shortcomings in the FOSS model, but because of limitations in the manufacture and marketing of proprietary hardware and software.

Free Software breeds more Free Software. It's not 'viral', as Microsoft likes to say - it's addictive. The benefits of openness and cooperation are immense in a world where intellectual wealth is infinitely replicable. Shuttleworth knows this. In order to addict a wider part of the population, therefore, it's necessary to ensure that some product (heh) reach them, even if it's been adulterated somewhat.

Re:Is this a win? (1)

utnapistim (931738) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153011)

Free Software breeds more Free Software. It's not 'viral', as Microsoft likes to say - it's addictive.

That's not the same. Free software in itself is not 'viral'. The GNU (and similar licenses) could be viewed as viral though.

In working for a corporation, I've seen the "why not use open source?" question asked a few times, and the answers are the same everytime:

free open source is fine

stay away from GNU

I don't know, let us see the license .

We (for example) use the ACE framework [wustl.edu] with no problems, but the managers and the legal department around here are terrified that if GNU code entered our codebase someone would scream "show us the sourcecode!" for everything.

Because of this, I tend to agree with you that OSS is addictive, but can be viral for corporations if it comes with attached conditions (at least for corporations drawing their profit from closed source).

I don't mean to troll here, but "free with conditions" is not actually free after all (at least not for some).

Re:Is this a win? (3, Informative)

Repossessed (1117929) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152965)

I'd call it that. I've got a fairly intimate knowledge of the Dell systems that can be configured with Ubuntu (I fix Dell's for a living). Dell tends to favor Intel for it's onboard graphics (and Linux users have little reason, to upgrade this). And Intel produces it's own open source* drivers. Sadly, right now it looks like the new Inspiron desktop doesn't have an onboard graphics option**, and the XPS machines never do, so until that changes, a pure open source system will have to be the notebooks.

*GPLv2 for kernel modules, MIT for other parts, which to my understanding is traditional for Linux drivers.

**I'm going to have to take a look at this when I get to work, but iirc, there's an onboard Intel GMA, even if they don't sell that as an option.

Footnote: Selling Ubuntu apparently worked, they've run out of 1505Ns already. Hopefully this will encourage them to widen the options a bit.

Re:Is this a win? (2, Informative)

Repossessed (1117929) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153033)

Addendum. There *is* a Intel GMA something or other on the 530 lineup, but in order to get it, you'll have to pay 50 dollars more, and Ubuntu won't be preinstalled. (Go to Dell.com/open and click on shop for FreeDOS)

It makes no sense to me either.

Another nifty trick? They have an ultra low end (as in celeron) machine with Vista on it, will only cost you 400 dollars and should run Linux great (except the modem, which will be useless).

Okay, so I'm borderline astroturfing at this point. I'm being honest about it though.

KDE? (1, Interesting)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151483)

Is KDE the default on any of these configurations?

Re:KDE? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151601)

It's Gnome for Ubuntu.

Re:KDE? (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151871)

though you can always get Kbuntu, though i find the application management isn't nearly as streamlined as the GNOME one is. then again, i haven't tried kbuntu in a few versions, so it might have improved since then.

Re:KDE? (1)

plaxion (98397) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151613)

If you purchase a Dell system with Ubuntu installed on it you can easily install KDE onto it, either through the graphical Synaptic package manager or by simply typing the following in a terminal:

sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151689)

I was apt-getting while you were still in diapers -- however the original question was about the *default* desktop. A world of difference. Mommy and daddy buying from Dell aren't going to know any better and they certainly aren't going to comprehend the first thing about that bizarre command you so proudly posted above.

Re:KDE? (1)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152129)

I was apt-getting while you were still in diapers

That's interesting, considering Debian is just about the same age as his UID is. Heck, mine's seven years old, I think.

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152403)

*whoosh*

No (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152053)

Both Ubuntu and SUSE-super-enterprise-desktop-10000 default to GNOME.

Re:KDE? (2, Interesting)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153015)

Is KDE the default on any of these configurations?
No. GNOME is the default on all distros that are likely to be pre-installed these days, Ubuntu, SUSE and Red Hat/Fedora.

You can of course very easily install KDE on these systems, a simple apt-get on Ubuntu for example.

The reason, I suspect, is mostly the licensing of Qt and KDE, which is the GPL (and not LGPL, which GTK+ is). This makes it less corporate-friendly, in a way. It probably explains the big shift to GNOME in the major distros, as well as the focus on GNOME in nearly all the new mobile Linux initiatives.

this is great news (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151555)

so you fags busy spreading the aids? i like aids since it kills fags.

waiting for a better deal from dell (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151647)

As I recall, from a few weeks ago, dell's cheapest desktop is $349 and is available with Vista Home only.

The cheapest dell/Ubuntu is $499.

I'd buy a machine right now if the pricing made sense.

Even if they shipped the $349 box with a blank hard drive I'd buy that over the Ubuntu @ $499

And the walmart everex 20 watt machine that was in all the news a couple weeks ago is MIA. I went to the local superstore and they not only did not have any everex desktops, they had no idea what $298 offer I was talking about. Two people told me it sounded bogus. Even the walmart website has a monitor bundled, nothing for $298. The superstore had one small aisle space with desktops, all starting around $600 and all having far more cpu and ram than i need for my low power 24/7 home server project.

A lot of these linux friendly claims are just vapor.

Re:waiting for a better deal from dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20151843)

The cheapest Ubuntu box I could configure was $379 (no monitor). Most likely it has a better video card (128MB NVIDIA GeForce 8300GS) than the $349 Vista box.

Except for a few special coupon offers, the Ubuntu boxes seem to be a better value than Vista boxes in general (even disregarding any negative valuation of Vista).

Re:waiting for a better deal from dell (5, Interesting)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153151)

Another factor in the valuation is the hardware life cycle. For example, at my company you get your choice of a Mac, a Windows machine or installing the BSD or Linux distro of your choice (on pretty much a support-it-yourself basis), and you're eligible for a new machine every three years.

When I was hired in January, I chose a Mac, and they issued me a 15" MacBook Pro, 2 GB RAM/120 GB disk. I'm fairly confident this will still be a highly usable machine in three years. Lots of people have PowerBooks that are between 2 and 3 years old, and while they think a new MBP would be cool, they have no complaints with their current hardware; it's getting the job done and performing well. The people running Linux or BSD are doing OK, too.

But the ones with 3-year old notebooks running XP, they practically have their upgrade eligibility date marked in red on the calendar (some probably really do). Compared to the Mac and Linux and BSD machines of the same age, those 3 year old Windows boxes are just wheezing along. What this means for the purchaser of a Dell Ubuntu box, then, is that if they buy a decently speced-out machine now, the can reasonably expect that in three years it will still be very serviceable. Even if you pay a little more for it, you'll get that money back in the form of longer hardware upgrade cycles. This fact can't be lost on Dell, I wonder if that's a factor in any price differences?

Interestingly, a thing I hear regularly from people waiting for their hardware upgrade cycle is that they plan to get a Mac next time instead of a Windows machine. At least in engineering, Macs have already become the majority platform. I was in a meeting today and looked around the table and counted that 80% of the attendees had Macs.

Regular users still mostly opt for Windows, of course, but both here where I work and at a couple of recent conferences I went to (not Black Hat and Defcon, but security-oriented anyway), there were a lot of people with Macs or PC notebooks minus Windows. A guy a couple rows in front of me was running FreeBSD on his. Everywhere, I hear people who currently have Windows saying they are going to take a serious look at moving to Mac or Linux. Microsoft is losing, or at risk of losing, a great deal of mindshare in the community of programmers, engineers, and other technical fields. One of the things that helped make Microsoft who they are today is great mindshare in that group. If they lose it, that loss can go a long way toward breaking them. Interest in, and acceptance of, Macs and Linux machines in the corporate environment seems to be at an all-time high and going up rapidly.

I'm sure Microsoft is concerned, but I don't believe they fully appreciate the peril, fully appreciate how close the tipping point may be. The next 2 or 3 years, while they work on the successor to Vista while many of their users cling to XP or move to Mac or Linux should be very interesting.

YAY! (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151655)

Maybe with backing from Dell, Ubuntu and especially SuSE, NVIDIA will finally be forced to make a video driver worth the powder to blow it to Hell.

Re:YAY! (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152071)

NVIDIA will finally be forced to make a video driver worth the powder to blow it to Hell.
I would rather any new drivers NOT blow my video card to Hell, thank you very much!

Why does Dell give Ubuntu/Inspiron the slow CPUs? (1)

schwaang (667808) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151719)

In the US the max CPU offered on the Ubuntu-loaded Inspiron 530N is currently the E4300. If you want a faster CPU with Ubuntu, you have to go with the (much more expensive) XPS 410N instead of the Inspiron.

Whereas on Dell's FreeDOS-loaded 530N you can go up to the E6420.

Why does Dell restrict the Ubuntu-loaded Inspiron to low-end CPUs?

Re:Why does Dell give Ubuntu/Inspiron the slow CPU (1)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151759)

Well, they discontinued the 1505N, and my guess is that a full range of the new 1X20 series Inspiron notebooks will be available shortly.

Re:Why does Dell give Ubuntu/Inspiron the slow CPU (1)

schwaang (667808) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151791)

In this case I'm talking about the desktops (Inspiron 530N).
I haven't checked the CPU options on the laptops.

Re:Why does Dell give Ubuntu/Inspiron the slow CPU (1)

jesterpilot (906386) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153407)

Because they don't need to be 'Vista-ready'.

Well done, /. (1)

The Iso (1088207) | more than 6 years ago | (#20151751)

Good job, editors. With all the complaints we see about bad summaries, it's nice to see a summary that's so concise and correct.

Now? Where? (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152011)

I checked both the UK and German dell websites and even if I specifically search for Ubuntu, the only thing I can find is the US Dell Ubuntu site.

Re:Now? Where? (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153331)

I checked both the UK and German dell websites and even if I specifically search for Ubuntu, the only thing I can find is the US Dell Ubuntu site.
And that is all you will see until they start selling them. They only announced that they were going to be selling Linux loaded Dells this side of the pond a few days ago. And if you phone the Dell order line, they will not sell you a system with Ubuntu installed until they start officially selling them either.

dell? (5, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152085)

For all the haters out there, let me just say that I like linux and I like ubuntu. Being community based, they've managed to get popular without getting the illwill that red hat did. And I think this is a good thing in general, but let's be honest: Dell sucks. This would have been great news 5 years ago when Dell was the top dog, but now they're racing to the bottom. HP/Compaq, Gateway, Lenevo, etc are eating their lunch. Apple is where it's at.

I've started a letter writing campaign to Steve Jobs to encourage him to sell Macintosh computers preloaded with Linux. Apple is on the leading edge of personal computing (or at least the journalists and newsmakers seem to think so). If we could encourage them to ship an iMac with ubuntu linux (or maybe kubuntu), that would have a halo effect. Curious people would install ubuntu on their home pcs. Maybe Apple will even open source iWork (Pages/Keynote/Numbers) and we'll finally have a decent word processor and spreadsheet.

Re:dell? (1)

jt2377 (933506) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152241)

there is no difference between Mac and PC on the hardware side. Both platform run Intel and the only difference is Mac come with OS X. it'll be really stupid to buy a Mac to run linux! You do know the difference between Apple and Dell, right? Steve Jobs will laugh at your letter and use it to wipe his ass. It's just plain stupid to sell Mac with Linux. I got an idea. Let's write to Steve and encourage him to sell PC preloaded with Linux.

Re:dell? (1)

lixee (863589) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152245)

Macs preloaded with Linux? You're forcing your luck.

Re:dell? (1)

Aetuneo (1130295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152303)

Linux preloaded on a Mac? You have a whelk's chance in a supernova of getting that. The functionality of the software on a Mac is one of the things that Apple uses to sell them. They are not going to do anything that might, to any degree, impede that selling point. After all, without that, they have nothing that another manufacturer could not mimic, or duplicate.

Re:dell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20152327)

Theres no chance in hell that Apple will ship Macs loaded with anything else but Apple's OS.

why would they? Its like asking MS to offer alternative office software in Windows rather that MS Office. Why would anyone offer to sell a competitors product?!

Re:dell? (1)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152423)

I guess you'll get laughet on return of your request, I guess it is easier to see flying pigs than to ever think of apple selling computers with Linux...

and we'll finally have a decent word processor and spreadsheet
Oh sorry, we already do.

Yawn - more Dell hot air (1)

startling (717697) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152275)

I'm fed up with Dell getting all this free publicity by pretending they offer Ubuntu. Recently, when looking to buy a new laptop, I wasted too much time talking to their sales people asking about Ubuntu and Linux. I ended up buying a Toshiba. Go to Dell's UK site and do a search for Ubuntu. No products offered. But right at the top of the screen: "Dell recommends Windows Vista." Please: no more Dell-might-offer-Linux-machines-in-future stories. Dell are only doing this to crank more out of Mr Baalmer. (Yes, I do know how to spell his name. That's how I prefer to spell it.)

Good job, Dell (5, Interesting)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152531)

I "voted with my cash" as I've seen others mention, and ordered a Dell Ubuntu laptop. Best computing decision I've ever made, easily. If you are even entertaining the slightest thoughts about getting one, do it.

The machine made it through its first major presentation to clients today (not presenting the laptop, but presenting materials to the client) without a hitch. I've installed Kubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Enlightenment, and Fluxbox on it so far. I was really, *really* tempted to run Enlightenment during the presentation today, just because of the slick animations and minimal GUI.

I'm not the most talented Ubuntu apologist, but I think that most of us who should be using it, know who we are.

BTW, my non-techie wife uses this machine every day without problems.

And not Ireland? (1)

cianduffy (742890) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152855)

Which is strange, as the Dell PCs for those markets are -made here-...

Re:And not Ireland? (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153401)

There shouldn't be a problem ordering from the UK site, or depending on the guarantee options, the German site might be cheaper. And you don't even have to convert from Euros to sterling. Although import duty and VAT payments might reduce any savings.

Re:And not Ireland? (1)

bigtomrodney (993427) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153539)

No they won't let you order somthing from the UK site unless you have a UK address. The same offices deal with the UK as Ireland (in fact they are in Ireland) and UK Sales can't ship to addresses outside the UK.

Not yet your can't (4, Informative)

Spad (470073) | more than 6 years ago | (#20152905)

Hidden in the press release and not obvious on the main UK site is a text link to www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu [dell.co.uk]

Following this link takes you to the "Dell with Ubuntu" homepage, but clicking on "Choose Desktop" or "Choose Notebook" results in a 404.

Excellent work there Dell.

Re:Not yet your can't (3, Informative)

lobStar (1103461) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153471)

The corresponding German [dell.de] and French [dell.fr] sites exist too, with the same 404 errors.

Re:Not yet your can't (3, Informative)

Britz (170620) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153781)

As well as www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu www.dell.de/ubuntu also presents an Ubuntu page in German with the same results if you click on the links.

The only option for the Inspiron 6400 in Germany remains Windows Vista for now (going through the normal www.dell.de pages). They don't even have XP any more. I wouldn't touch Vista with a ten foot pole before the first service pack comes out.

Are there notebooks with Ubuntu that have a modem built in? A modem can be your only option on the road sometimes. And I even got my brothers Thinkpad A20 modem to work with Debian.

Sales figures? (1)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153195)

Has anyone seen any sales figures on Ubuntu Dells? It would be very interesting to know, on a model for which Ubuntu, XP, and Vista are all available, how the sales numbers are coming out.

Europe ? (1)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153309)

availability of Ubuntu in Europe [...] consumers in the United Kingdom, France and Germany

Well, geography was not my favourite subject, still, I got fed up with similar moves. Reminds me of iTunes, like how it's available in Europe... right. People complain about globalization, hell, I'd really prefer it, if it would mean services would be global - or at least be available in Europe if they say it's available in Europe. Made me angry about on the same level when I happened to find some good stuff in an online store the other day, only to find out they only accept cards for payment if they were issued in the U.S. Well, keep your stuff and don't let me tell you where to put it to rest.
 

Re:Europe ? (1)

TigerWolf2 (1028898) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153675)

What about Australia? I have been waiting for Ubuntu to be avaliable for a long time. The linux community here is quite big. Maybe soon.

Advert (-1, Troll)

gsslay (807818) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153677)

Is Dell paying slashdot for advertising their every move in the Linux market?

Where are the laptops on their website? (1)

sasserstyl (973208) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153791)

I can't for the life of me find these laptops on the Dell website.

Can anyone else supply links to them (Inspiron 530N and Inspiron 6400)?

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