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Bring Down Internet Explorer In Six Words

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the don't-you-think-she-looks-tired dept.

Bug 239

Marcion writes "Some handy Japanese guy called Hamachiya discovered a bug in Internet Explorer. Under certain conditions, an asterisk when used as a wildcard can crash IE as soon as the user attempts to go to another page." The article claims the "five HTML tags and a CSS declaration" crash IE7 as well as IE6, but I couldn't get IE7 to fail. This page says that as of June, IE6 was at about 37% market share and IE7 under 20%.

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Tear in my eye (5, Insightful)

ceeam (39911) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153843)

I didn't think I'll see the day when browser crashing on something would be a newsworthy item. We - the industry - have made improvements in the last years I guess.

Re:Tear in my eye (2, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153861)

Either that, or /. is going downhill? That's the pessimist's view anyway ;)

How is this fucking useful ?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154185)



How is this fucking useful ?? It's like knowing the temperature of your shit. WHo the fuck cares?

'ho

Re:How is this fucking useful ?? (1, Offtopic)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154211)

When your shit has more than 200HP then it's probably useful to know the temperature

Re:How is this fucking useful ?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154343)

When your shit has been fired by the power of 200 horses, your problems have likely extended beyond a fecal matter. What is there beyond queer? Scratch that: I really don't want to know.

Re:How is this fucking useful ?? (4, Funny)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154455)

200 HP? Is your shit a 20th level Barbarian or something?

Re:How is this fucking useful ?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154533)

No, it's a mage.

Re:How is this fucking useful ?? (0, Offtopic)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154567)

Actually my warrior has closer to 3000HP, but I probably play a different game to you ;)

Re:Tear in my eye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20153989)

I didn't think I'll see the day when browser crashing on something would be a newsworthy item.

WTF? Have you been reading a different slashdot to me?

Anyway, the article is more of note for the doctor who reference at the start.

An amusing piece of nostalgia that segues into the article tickled my fancy anyway...

Re:Tear in my eye (1)

farlukar (225243) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154235)

I didn't think I'll see the day when browser crashing on something would be a newsworthy item.
WTF? Have you been reading a different slashdot to me?

Maybe the total amount of posted browser crash articles is now just enough to make it newsworthy...

Re:Tear in my eye (1, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154609)

Anyway, the article is more of note for the doctor who reference at the start. An amusing piece of nostalgia
You're nostalgic for something that happened in the 2005 Christmas Special?

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...

Re:Tear in my eye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154035)

This will be news when google puts the crafted html on their homepage.

Uh huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20153847)

It would only bring the internet down if they were words we could post anywhere.

The Web 2.0 Apocalypse would be something to behold.

Re:Uh huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20153979)

One would have to hack Google, MySpace, Flickr and YouTube and insert the HTML. Thus web 2.0 will be no more.

If you don't speak Japanese.... (4, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153857)

...then here's a word perfect translation of that article [altavista.com] (courtesy of Babelfish [altavista.com]).

Erm... then again, maybe not.

(If you liked that translation, you might enjoy Babelfish's attempt at Slashdot.jp [altavista.com].)

Re:If you don't speak Japanese.... (4, Funny)

arkhan_jg (618674) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153915)

From slashdot.jp [altavista.com]:

When the policeman of the tie, rule you violate, hello punishment of the kitty?

Heh. I can just imagine a 'tie-inspector' walking round making sure your business attire is up to standard, or else he unleashes an angry cat on you. Or maybe he tortures a cute kitten in front of you, not sure on that point.

Re:If you don't speak Japanese.... (3, Funny)

Gregory Cox (997625) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154175)

Obviously it should read:

When Thai police violate a rule, they get the Hello Kitty punishment.
See? Makes perfect sense.

Re:If you don't speak Japanese.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154225)

Don't be silly. You're taking that quote out of context. It goes on to clarify:

...the tie police threw away the rubbish in road surface, and the like did pink color it is bright it was late vis-a-vis some policeman, as penal regulations with illegal parking and work, "hello it reached the point where armband wearing of the kitty" wind is ordered.

As you can see, the section "'armband wearing of the kitty' wind is ordered" makes it clear that he's not unleashing cats on you, he's dutifully winding them around your arm and tying them there because you illegally parked pink colored things in the road.

Admittedly this is not a familiar punitive mechanism to those of us in much of the English speaking world, but we shouldn't be so quick to judge the customs and traditions of foreign cultures. Remember, this is coming from the same country that introduced us to high quality inexpensive digital watches, cars that would last for more than 60000 miles, Takeshi's Castle, and tentacle porn. So perhaps we shouldn't be so smug in our self-righteous judgement that "of course it's stupid for policemen to wind cats around the arms of people illegally parking pink things in the road." I think we might want to consider the value of this novel form of punishment before we reflexively lurch for the comfort of our own society's "prison industrial complex" as an answer to crime. If you truly care about your country and have a flexible mind still capable of examining the virtues of new ideas, then I urge you to write your city council to enact similar laws today. Soon the Japanese, many with cats wound around their arms, will dominate international industry and finance while our criminals sit and rot in corporate prisons. If you love your county, write you representative today before we fall further behind!

Oh, yes, and IE 5.2 for Mac didn't crash. Remarkably, it also managed not to crash on both the MSN home page and the page that links to the IE crasher.

Re:If you don't speak Japanese.... (1)

hummassa (157160) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154537)

Admittedly this is not a familiar punitive mechanism to those of us in much of the English speaking world, but we shouldn't be so quick to judge the customs and traditions of foreign cultures. Remember, this is coming from the same country that introduced us to high quality inexpensive digital watches, cars that would last for more than 60000 miles, Takeshi's Castle, and tentacle porn.
Oh, I didn't know Thailand had brought the world all those great things.</sarcasm>

Re:If you don't speak Japanese.... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154587)

I'm for replacing the current Slashdot moderation options with hilarious Engrish ones:

  • It becomes +1, References
  • It is +1, Interesting
  • +1, It is strange funny
  • +1, Splendid discernment

Funny, but not "Engrish" (2, Informative)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154659)

I'm for replacing the current Slashdot moderation options with hilarious Engrish ones:
Oh yeah, "It is strange funny".... that was one I loved. (I've been "reading" Slashdot Japan through Babelfish for quite a while now- that's where my sig comes from).

However, it's misleading to call these "Engrish", as that normally refers to the use of bad English (or even pseudo-English) by the Japanese.

By contrast, this is a quaint auto-translation of correctly-written Japanese. Okay, so the "cute" tone is probably down to the differences between Japanese language and culture as well... but it's still not Engrish per se.

Re:If you don't speak Japanese.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154733)

Here's my favorite from reading about a legalization of Hemp discussion [altavista.com]:

I do, how becoming the complete third party, it does not care, that being to think, but, really above being the Japanese citizen mutually, as for shutting off relationship without being possible, the shank. If their productivity goes down, as for quality of the social service which I enjoy if the decrease stripe sushi, they harm health, my medical burden increases.
I'm pretty sure this feller smokes the Maui wowee. The interesting part is when he talks about ending a relationship and using the "shank". I guess this guy has the sword at his belly or something. What I can't figure out is if he's talking about breaking it off with the hemp or some chick...

MOD PARENT +SPLENDID DISCERNMENT! (n/t) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154953)

n/t

Browser Metrics (1)

eplawless (1003102) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153865)

I tend to use http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php [w3counter.com] more than the w3schools stats, they're usually more accurate since w3schools has a very specific audience.

Another site (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154511)

I tend to use http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php [w3counter.com] more than the w3schools stats, they're usually more accurate since w3schools has a very specific audience.
These guys have some interesting statistics:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/default.aspx [hitslink.com]

I won't speculate on the accuracy of these sites but it's interesting to compare the w3 statistics with the hitslink.com statistics. Linux for example gets twice the share on the w3 counter as on the hitslink.com site. Vista gets fewer hits on the w3 counter than on the hitslink.com site, it's currently standing at 5,4%, I thought it would be in more widespread use by now. The older Macs are completely missing from the w3 counter although I know for a fact that loads of people are still using them.

Hmm.. (4, Informative)

wumpus188 (657540) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153867)

It indeed crashes IE here... Windows 2K3, IE7

Is it crashed or not? (3, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153939)

It indeed crashes IE here... Windows 2K3, IE7
I'm using IE7 bog-standard Windows XP with SP2, and it "crashed" in the manner described for me too. Remember that (as the article states) you have to open a new tab.

It takes a few seconds to crash after the new tab is opened; that's enough time to type in an auto-completed URL and have it start loading. Strange thing about this is that even though Windows shows the standard "crashed" dialog box for IE, beneath that I can still see (e.g.) Slashdot continue to load in the background until I dismiss the dialog.

Re:Is it crashed or not? (5, Informative)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154601)

It's not a crash, per se. It's a forced closure due to an illegal operation of one component of the browser with code in mshtml.dll.

An exception was thrown that was not properly caught. The error is caused by improper error trapping. Otherwise, the browser would just render things improperly or claim there was an error on the page because it doesn't properly parse and render the style tag.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Alcoholic Dali (1024937) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154253)

IE7 on Vista = no issues with the link provided.

Could be the fact it's been sandboxed on Vista though...

Re:Hmm.. (3, Funny)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154823)

IE 7 on Vista here did have the crash just as documented. Open a new tab and start typing a URL and it crashed it.

Bring Down A Website In Six Words (4, Funny)

millwall (622730) | more than 6 years ago | (#20153871)

Post
A
Crappy
Article
On
Slashdot

Re:Bring Down A Website In Six Words (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20153893)

Pacaos? That's an interesting acrostic. What does it mean?

Re:Bring Down A Website In Six Words (4, Funny)

Odiumjunkie (926074) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154033)

I discovered a weird IE bug... there are six words that, when included on a webpage, stop IE ever being used on that computer again:

get
firefox
from
mozilla
dot
com

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20153891)

Who uses IE6 anyway? It's either Firefox or IE7.

I know it's real subtle... (2, Informative)

Etherwalk (681268) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154023)

> as of June, IE6 was at about 37% market share

Re:I know it's real subtle... (1)

mtmra70 (964928) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154349)

I don't see the problem. IE6 and XP work just fine, no need to upgraded.

Yea, yea, dont give me the FF crap.

I Install ViSta! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20153955)

I is AC. I install MS VISta. It got IE. It good for look at porn. Problem PORN got Not god virus On it and IE not work. Jhow can you help me? I here this thing called linox solve? How virus not get hit? HATIGN@! computer STD. Me loves MSN +.

Re:I Install ViSta! (1)

frup (998325) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154029)

Let me hear us all say WTF!

Re:I Install ViSta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154383)

??? Those statistics are derived from users who have accessed that website! What relevance does that have?

even that website acknowledges "These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users."

oh... now I see... (search "browser market" on google)

tsk tsk...

Re:I Install ViSta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154369)

O CHO CHO! Very fanni linux zealot! yay@@!

Re:I Install ViSta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154551)

And yes...you love us long time, because you sssooo horrrnyyy

Bring down my system in 13 chars. (5, Funny)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154047)

:(){ :|:& };:

Re:Bring down my system in 13 chars. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154771)

Do you have a windows port, or do I have to install cygwin on my victims' computers first?

What's the chars? (1)

August Lilleaas (1111117) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154053)

Anyone feels like explaining what characters this is all about? Page in article is, liek, down.

Re:What's the chars? (1)

Pinkfud (781828) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154261)

For what it's worth, this is the link [hamachiya.com] to the demo page. If you look at it in Firefox, you can just view source. I didn't try IE on it, so I really don't know whether it works or not.

Bring Down Internet Explorer In Six Words (0, Offtopic)

rvw (755107) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154059)

That's seven words!

Re:Bring Down Internet Explorer In Six Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154679)

Bring Down IE In Six Words

now, much better.

Re:Bring Down Internet Explorer In FOUR Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154719)

It's made by Microsoft.

No. You're kidding. Can't be. (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154081)

You can crash IE? Really? With a webpage? Who would have thought?

Seriously, here's a phone. Call someone who cares. Or at least isn't surprised. Or at least thinks it's newsworthy.

I don't care if I have to wave karma goodbye now, but sensibly, is there an event running today that tries to see how many really uninteresting, uninspired and utterly pointless "news" can make it to the front page on a single day? Yes, it's possible to crash IE. Hey, breaking news, you can even crash it in a way that allows you to execute arbitrary code. Wow. Teh horrorz.

This ain't news. It may be a new hole detected, but could we at least get less lurid subject lines that sound like it's the end of the world? How about "new bug in IE detected"? It would have been at least as accurate and more objective. You might get the same "duh, no kidding" replies, but at least people wouldn't make fun of you for making something trivial as an IE bug sound like it's the end of the internet.

Re:No. You're kidding. Can't be. (1)

unixfan (571579) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154293)

Yes, this is now sounding like the typical clueless US news media where you HAVE to make everything sound as bad as possible to out-do the other fools. Meanwhile those not in that horrid occupation are inundated with useless, bad news. Painted in the worst impossibly bad way.

A dog running into the street and getting hit will be something like Senior Citizens Slaying Dogs Not On Leash! Next will be Internet Discontinued, New Version In Place!

(Don't know how in the world your post could become flamebait, you got to be blind not to see the obvious truth in it!) Though we are of course as off topic as the headline.

Re:No. You're kidding. Can't be. (1)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154999)

You guys are arguing a valid point, but in the completely wrong place. There is absolutely nothing wrong about this headline. It's (for a change) actually very specific to the topic at hand, and does not blow anything out of proportion...It's a very literal description of the article.

Read it again:

"Bring Down Internet Explorer In Six Words"

Note that it does NOT say:

"OMG!!! Dooomsday!!! Internet falls apart at invocation of 6 words!!! News at 6!!!"

Note that it also doesn't say:

"Bug found in IE"

Rather, it perfectly summarizes the article.

Here's a hint for all of you with your panties in a bundle: Headlines exist for a reason...obviously neither of you think this article has any merit based on it's headline. And yet, here you are! Next time, just skip the articles you don't like mmkay? That is what headlines are for after all, to give you an idea of whether a particular article is worth your time or not.

PS: As someone else mentioned, the point of the article is NOT that there is 'yet another bug in IE'. It's the pure simplicity of it. Plain ole HTML and CSS. No javascript, no XSS, no fancy stuff at all.

Re:No. You're kidding. Can't be. (2, Insightful)

apt142 (574425) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154557)

I think what they considered newsworthy about it is the fact that it can be done in 6 words. Not that the bug exists, but rather how simple it is to crash it. They should have put the foot up there for humor if they wanted to get that across IMHO.

That being said, crashing IE is only slightly more difficult that tying my shoes.

Re:No. You're kidding. Can't be. (3, Insightful)

bl8n8r (649187) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154593)

> Seriously, here's a phone. Call someone who cares. Or at least isn't surprised. Or at least thinks it's newsworthy.

Attitudes like this are why computer security is in such a dismal state. Crashing an application from a remote system means that application is not filtering it's input correctly and is subject to a remote compromise. Just because IE goes bu-bye and starts right up again doesn't mean everything is peaches. By the time you've restarted the app or rebooted windows, you may have already been compromised with the software of choice by the remote. This cold be a backdoor, keylogger, trojan whatever - and you won't even know it other than "my computer is slow". People need to wise-up because malware is getting sneakier and more cost effective for the people that write it.

Articles like this are news worthy because it brings light to the fact that something is amiss and needs fixing. Unfortunately, other than negative PR, there's little incentive for proprietary software to fix these things. That's one of the reasons IE has been, and still is, such a security nightmare. Firefox is only about 2/3 better (3 pages vs. 8 pages) judging by number of CVEs*. Still, security is about lessening risk. It's foolish to use IE these days with much better options available.

[*] - https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/html/search [cert.org]

Re:No. You're kidding. Can't be. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154727)

Yes, browser holes are an issue. Especially with malware packages like MPack around. But does it have to sound like something taken out of Fox' news feed? Can we get news again, instead of the hype we got recently?

Also, telling someone here about security issues with IE is preaching the choir. We know that. I doubt anyone here doesn't know that there are still security holes in IE. And, for the record, also in FF (just so nobody thinks I'm out to do some MS bashing). Unlike FF, we can't do jack about security holes in IE. Can you avoid it? No. Can you fix it? No. Like an ex-boss of mine said, if you don't have a solution or at least an idea that the problem is fixable, it's pointless to announce it. There's nothing we can do to avoid being infected (provided we use IE) or to fix the bug. We can switch away from IE, that's true, but first of all that's not an option for everyone (corporate standards force people to use certain software), and second, most people that know about the security issues of IE already switched to FF. Some switch away from FF now again because of the same reason (although, technically you could fix the problem in FF).

So what's left of the announcement? There's yet another security hole in IE, there's yet another security hole in Windows that you cannot fix or avoid. There's yet another reason to switch to another Browser, or OS altogether.

But if the reasons so far didn't convince you, this one won't either.

Re:No. You're kidding. Can't be. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154969)

"Like an ex-boss of mine said, if you don't have a solution or at least an idea that the problem is fixable, it's pointless to announce it."

So you don't have an idea that the problem is fixable? Well, here's an idea...

What about configuring your web proxy to scan incoming CSS files and filter them out if they look corrupt? I'm sure this is do-able (for example) with the squid redirectors. (I assume you're in a business environment since you said "ex-boss" and hence probably have a web proxy).

Whether it's actually worth doing this is another question, but an attitude of "that problem is not fixable" is not helpful.

html source is: (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154147)

<style>* {position:relative}
</style><table><input></table>

Re:html source is: (3, Informative)

derrida (918536) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154201)

And here is a link [nyud.net] to test it.

Re:html source is: (2, Interesting)

nschubach (922175) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154701)

And VS2005 puts the problem somewhere around here...

mshtml.dll! 7dcaac6e() mov eax,dword ptr [ecx+4]

7DCAAC6C nop
7DCAAC6D nop
7DCAAC6E mov eax,dword ptr [ecx+4]
7DCAAC71 test al,1
7DCAAC73 jne 7DCB3229
7DCAAC79 and eax,2
7DCAAC7C ret
7DCAAC7D nop

Not that I have any clue what that means since I never learned assembly :p

Re:html source is: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154243)

Put it into a news item verbatim (i.e. not html-encoded). So that everytime you attempt to open slashdot.org with a broken browser, it closes. Yay.

Dr.Who (3, Funny)

gpmidi (891665) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154229)

Dr.Who: I can bring down your administration in one word. Prime Minister: One word. Even you aren't capable of that. Dr.Who: Okay, six words. Dr.Who (wispers to aid): Don't you think she looks tired?

Re:Dr.Who (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154923)

Not to get off-topic - but I watched that episode and never understood the point of that sequence. What was the significance of saying that to the PM's aid?

Why go to all that trouble? (2, Funny)

annamadrigal (1134821) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154273)

Alt-F4 gets rid of it much more quickly, and doesn't rely on a Japanese website not having been /.ed.

Internet Explorer Haters (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154341)

I'm sure there are bugs in most browsers which can cause them to crash or not work properly. I know that loading up AOL webmail in Firefox will cause it to crash, not sure why though.

The point is, this article has been posted on /. because the poster expects a tirade of "I hate M$" style comments, there is nothing particularly interesting about the news item and I'm sure it will get fixed in due course. Clearly the html required to cause the crash is not prevalent across the web else it would have been discovered sooner.

If this was digg, we could bury this post, and I for one would do so.

Re:Internet Explorer Haters (1)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154689)

To be perfectly fair, Safari also crashes from time to time, but I do not know the specific causes as with this error... The thing that annoys me the most about Safari, though, is that is drinks memory like a sailor drinks beer...

The difference is, though, that you can take my MacBook Pro away from me when you pry it from my dead cold fingers... Expensive or not.. Other than some minor quirks, I am so much more efficient during the day on my MacBook Pro than I ever way on Windows... :-)

BIG DEAL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154371)

Using the Slashdot exploit, we can take down a server with one link!

Stunned into near silence (1)

weinrich (414267) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154393)

The shock of this story has left me nearly speechless. A bug that causes a browser to crash? A story so lame this early in the morning? How can these things be?

Re:Stunned into near silence (1)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154831)

The particular thing about this crash is that it only use a few (perfectly innocent looking) basic HTML tags.

No big deal. (3, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154397)

First please realize I am no MSFT fanboi, I have been extremely critical of that company in my previous postings.

MSFT should try to fix the bug that is crashing IE, because crashes in IE have a tendency to become a remote execution bug later. But still, no point in bashing MSFT on this issue. Browsers crashing on malformed input is well known. Firefox, my fav and only browser, too crashes often on malformed input. There is this thing called fuzzing, sending deliberately malformed input to the browser and see what happens. Firefox used to crash more often than IE under fuzzing. Now they provide fuzzing tools for their testers to strengthen mozilla products.

Some handy Japanese guy called Hamachiya (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154403)

"handy"???

Do I have to be Japanese or American to understand that? Or do you mean a German cellphone?

yea yea (0, Redundant)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154445)

well let us not forget that many things can crash firefox too.. especially in linux.. firefox simply disappears sometimes with no crash analysis or anything.. but regardless, internet explorer users need to trash IE6 right now.. it amazes me that people still use it.. i know for some it is required for development reasons and certain programs need it as well.. but that's no excuse for the rest of people out there too lazy or ignorant to install a stable and more secure newer version of IE.. i personally think IE7 is a freakin' great browser from the perspective of a user who uses both FF2 and IE on a regular basis in a shlew of different OS's..

How to bring down a server (0)

bl8n8r (649187) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154449)

In 48 slashdot comments or less.

Re:How to bring down a server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20154525)

Be nice to the poor server. It suffered the digg effect a few days ago and now it's getting slashdotted. When it was on digg, it was down before there was a single comment.

Common to Trident? (5, Interesting)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154453)

TFA's servers aren't responding at the moment, so this might be included, but has anyone tried this with non-IE programs which use the Trident layout engine?

If it's Trident that's bringing down IE, then you're looking at HTML code that could also bring down Windows Media Player, several versions of Outlook and Outlook Express, MSN Messenger, Steam (from Valve), and other applications which use it to render web pages. I think at least some versions of Winamp used trident as well, but I'm not sure about that.

IE Usage @ w3schools? (5, Informative)

asylumx (881307) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154517)

as of June, IE6 was at about 37% market share and IE7 under 20%

Yeah, but don't you think w3schools would be a bit biased? W3schools is a site full of tutorials and information for developers. Developers tend to prefer FireFox due to its robust plugin system and some of the excellent plugins for that system (Firebug, Web Tools, etc.) so I'm not surprised that FireFox has a higher rate of use on such a site. In fact, I am surprised that it's not higher!

*Six* words? Amateurs. (2, Funny)

cbrichar (819941) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154729)

Six words? Please.

As any pimply-faced 14 year old surfing the web alone in his bedroom could've told you, all it takes is your Mom unexpectedly calling your name from right outside your door to cause IE to be shut down immediately.

So? One can easily crash Firefox too... (3, Informative)

bradbury (33372) | more than 6 years ago | (#20154801)

If the point of this item is to point out bugs in IE it isn't alone. I crashed a large Epiphany session with a segmentation violation a couple of days ago and its relatively easy to crash Firefox if you limit the amount of memory available using ulimit (Firefox doesn't catch "early" C++ memory allocation failures and handle them gracefully). Firefox also has the infamous "window unexpectedly destroyed" bug (#263160) for ~3 years (which will crash the browser if you attempt to close the untitled window).

I suspect all of the Mozilla based browsers will effectively die if one throws enough "heavyweight" pages at them (i.e. those which are activity heavy [because there isn't a Javascript/Active HTML/Animated GIF scheduler]) or run out of swap space (again because memory allocation failures are not handled gracefully).

IMO, developers place too much emphasis on feature enhancements rather than making the existing browsers run reliably (bugs shouldn't linger for 3 years), with a minimal machine footprint (Netscape 4.7x required significantly less memory than Firefox) and effective priority scheduling of the "top" window (user responsiveness).

Old news (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 6 years ago | (#20155001)

A badly formed INPUT tag has been known to take down IE since at least 2003.

Bigger news is why is it still there?
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