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AMD Backs openSUSE with Huge New Infrastructure

CowboyNeal posted more than 6 years ago | from the money-where-mouth-is dept.

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apokryphos writes "AMD has helped sponsor the progress of openSUSE with leading-edge hardware and development expertise. "AMD is helping to ensure that the openSUSE Build Service continues to be an important collaboration and development platform for developers of all distributions," said Terri Hall, AMD vice president of Commercial Systems Marketing. Are these continued announcements of huge support from large OEMs an indication of a new era?"

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microsoft connection? (5, Interesting)

datapharmer (1099455) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178405)

I'm curious about this sudden SUSE push and the recent deals with Novell and Microsoft. I'm curious as to what is going on behind the scenes... is Microsoft working on a linux GUI? Something even more sinister? Or perhaps it is just a coincidence... but then again I don't believe in those.

Re:microsoft connection? (3, Interesting)

swokm (1140623) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178485)

I think everyone has to admit that if Novell plays their cards right, they have a real shot at eventually winning a large portion of the enterprise desktop as well as the back end. IMHO. I like SUSE quite a bit, anyway. And I think AMD sees that a possible low-power platform win over Intel (those'll be harder and harder to come by).

As for MS... they think of Vista as their linux GUI, don't they? ;) If I had that much money, I'd invest in ever competitor too... you never know.

BTW, made account to thank the OP for not linking to their blog about a magazine blurb about TFA. That gets old fast.

--
datapharmer, tragically nice sig.

Re:microsoft connection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178551)

First post and you didn't use any slashdot meme?

In soviet Russia The Fucking ToS reads you!

Re:microsoft connection? (1)

pravuil (975319) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178813)

Novell does have an opportunity but so does Red Hat. They both can actually do good and no one would be the wiser. While Novell has higher stock volume, Red Hat has a strong enough price to compensate for volume.

In terms of increasing competition within the Linux market, it's nothing new. I've read reports/articles of MS trying to divide the community. The community does a fine job doing it itself and for good reason. Everybody believes in their product especially when they do have something that they feel is important enough to be shared with the world (hence forking). It neat to see things work but it's even better to see things work for people who really need the product.

About openSUSE, it's sponsored by Novell but other than that I can't tell Novell's involvement within the community. That should be clarified.

Props to the OP. I hate searching needlessly as well.

Re:microsoft connection? (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179145)

I've moved along the linux trail for some time now, starting out on Red Hat years ago, moving to the noob friendly Mandrake (at the time, then Mandriva), Slackware for a while, Debian more recently, and now SuSE.

For me, SuSE has been the kindest for workstation, notebook & server deployment.

I know SuSE is very similar to RH/Fedora and a few other distros out there, it just seems to be more polished/finished than the others. On top of that, I don't have an issue with Novell - it seems a lot of people here do though.

Re:microsoft connection? (2, Informative)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179735)

The installer and the Yast system were enough for me to stick with Opensuse, I have found both to be invaluable daily. I also like the fact that the X11 and curses versions of Yast are equivalent in functionality, since you can always configure the system easily over SSH or when X11 isn't even installed. In particular I like the partitioner (for its LVM and crypto features), the user, network services, and runlevel configuration panels.

In addition on my laptop with opensuse I was able to fix X11 from a graphical interface when the config file was actually deleted (Sax2), and setup the wlan card for a WPA2 wireless network in runlevel 3, all without editing config files.

I'm really hoping that more distros write systems like Yast or adopt it (its GPL).

Re:microsoft connection? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20180843)

The feedback I got from users test driving the opensuse distro: back to debian ubuntu!

it's MS Linux isn't it? (0, Troll)

wardk (3037) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179179)

so SUSE takes a big share of the market, it's just ms windows box being swapped for a microsoft linux, or am I missing something with the ms-novell thing?

seems to me that novell and suse must end up in a slag heap for linux to "win"

AMD doesn't care who owns linux, I guess they bet MS-Novell will sell lots of linux where everyone else failed

Re:it's MS Linux isn't it? (4, Informative)

houghi (78078) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179297)

so SUSE takes a big share of the market, it's just ms windows box being swapped for a microsoft linux, or am I missing something with the ms-novell thing?


Yes, the fact that the MS-Novell deal was about SLES and interopreability, not about making RPM and DEB packages on a remote machine (because that is what the Build Service is in the end)

AMD doesn't care who owns linux, I guess they bet MS-Novell will sell lots of linux where everyone else failed


Sure AMD does not care. Perhaps they just use it, because for them processors are cheap and that is the cheapest way to get advertisement.

All packages are build on an olmost daily basis (e.g. for Factory, that resulted in the now out Beta 1 for openSUSE 10.3) and that needs a bit of power that Novell did not have.

Perhaps AMD will use it as a way to tell people: You want to switch to Linux? Well, we sponsor Novells Build Service, so we are the best choice.

It is strange to see that Linux is winning and everybody is scared of it. Why? Do you WANT it to be an OS for just geeks?

Re:it's MS Linux isn't it? (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180711)

Some people do, and those people seem to think the linux system could drop all the new users and common folk, and still retain all of its shiny drivers, applications, and well written code. Those people are morons.

Re:it's MS Linux isn't it? (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#20181849)

Perhaps AMD will use it as a way to tell people: You want to switch to Linux? Well, we sponsor Novells Build Service, so we are the best choice.
Unless you want open source drivers. Or working drivers for that matter.

Re:it's MS Linux isn't it? (1)

Isauq (730660) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182911)

It is strange to see that Linux is winning and everybody is scared of it. Why? Do you WANT it to be an OS for just geeks?
More or less.

First off, I can't speak for everyone, but I can't say it's ever been about winning. It's not about "conquering the desktop" or being "ready for the desktop" Nor is it about being "railroaded" into using Windows. This isn't some petty act of rebellion. It's a simple decision based on needs and desires.

As for your other point:
Until Linux loses the perception that any kid that fancies their self an 3l33t h4x0r can have an awesome clone of Windows for free simply by popping in an Ubuntu CD; until these same kids bother to learn anything about what they're using and not bitch because it's not like Windows in some critically flawed way (from wireless to udev- I've seen it all), I'm all about them staying right the hell away.

It's not elitism to expect the newbies to play by the rules- If they don't want to, they're free to continue their MS piracy campaign. They weren't contributing anything to the codebase or the community. I have no time to waste on petulant children.

Re:it's MS Linux isn't it? (0, Troll)

wardk (3037) | more than 6 years ago | (#20183575)

you think an MS Linux being the "leader" is gonna be "linux winning"?

that's hilarious.

linux will be a steaming pile by the time MS is done with it.

I can spell BSD

Re:it's MS Linux isn't it? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182001)

Y'know, I wouldn't care about the MS monopoly if their OS was actually decent! Bring on MS Linux, if that's what it takes to go mainstream (have the majority of full commercial games and apps being ported over), and as long as it's still Open Source. :p

Re:it's MS Linux isn't it? (1)

apokryphos (869208) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182681)

Yes, you are missing an awful lot [opensuse.org] . These type of statements where people say "yeah, but MS owns Novell", "Novell sold out to MS" or SUSE is "MS Linux" are plainly just childish (honestly now) and show a clear ignorance of the functioning of the business world. Novell made a business agreement with Microsoft, and it's turned out great for them. Not some general partnership, just an agreement. It would have turned out better (and, as a consequence, better for Linux in general) if a few people didn't spread emotive but baseless statements about it, all running from merely negative headlines, but hey.

What's nearly as astounding are those that are very annoyed by the thought of Microsoft selling Linux. That mindframe couldn't seem any crazier to me. Think about it. Microsoft having to get off their high-horse and finally submit to what many of their customers have been asking for: Linux. While you're out complaining, Novell is actively pursuing the Linux desktop in the enterprise, and they're doing pretty darn well. Anyway, also:

>AMD doesn't care who owns linux

The whole point of Linux and the free software methodology (i.e. the GPL) is that you cannot "own" Linux. No company can "drive it into the ground", so fears there are at least unwarranted.

Re:microsoft connection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178537)

"Sudden" SUSE push? You don't live in Europe, do you?

Of course, if Novell happened to do something right, it'd *have* to be sinister, wouldn't it? Especially if it involved, oh, I don't know, Novell *marketing* something successfully?

Re:microsoft connection? (1)

pravuil (975319) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178837)

I knew it was popular in Europe, especially Germany where it originated. Not sure to what extent though. That would be nice to have someone clarify.

Re:microsoft connection? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20180225)

I knew it was popular in Europe, especially Germany where it originated. Not sure to what extent though. That would be nice to have someone clarify.
I don't have any marketshare numbers or similar. I can only tell you my personal experience. I'm living in Germany and started using Linux in 1996. I know/knew many people also using Linux (especially in university) and until a few years ago nearly everybody of them used SuSE. It was kind of the standard, the default. I'm not sure I ever used a RedHat system, for example. I'm sure I never installed it. For me, it was kind of exotic. :)

In the last years, though, many people I know moved to Ubuntu (including myself). So if anything, the SuSE dominance has gotten quite a bit weaker in recent years. But that's all just personal, subjective observations, of course.

Re:microsoft connection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20180853)

Actually, being in the UK we support a bunch of platforms, including Solaris, HP-UX (HPPA & Itanium), Tru64 (Alpha!), RHEL and even Fedora for one or two cheap 3rd-world customers of ours..but not a single on of our customers has ever asked us to provide support for SUSE. We have a single VMWare ESX instance with SUSE installed but it's never been used in anger.

This is telecoms software, by the way.

I keep hearing that SUSE is popular in Europe but I've never seen any evidence of it.

Re:microsoft connection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20183155)

Well, I live in Finland and about 50 % of the business installations of Linux I have encountered in my work are SUSE, the rest are Red Hat and Debian.

Re:microsoft connection? (4, Insightful)

apokryphos (869208) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178583)

The Microsoft deal on interoperability and customer patent protection is still ongoing but more in the background these days. The real "new push" is coming from Novell's relationship with IBM (and AMD, like this story; and I'm sure you know about Dell). For example IBM and Novell just launched a Big Green Linux Initiative [zdnet.co.uk] , or how IBM, Novell Team to Tap Open Source App Servers [tmcnet.com] , and the list goes on (see LWE announcements, or Google News). Novell is really trying to push Linux on the server -- and just as importantly -- the desktop into the Enterprise, and they're making major deals with large OEMs (that is, AMD, IBM/Lenovo, Dell) to make it happen.

Re:microsoft connection? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178641)

"Or perhaps it is just a coincidence... but then again I don't believe in those."

Funny, I was just about to say the same thing. Wait a minute! Who are you and how do you read my mind?

Re:microsoft connection? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20179403)

Anything tied to Novell stinks, which includes OpenSUSE. Novell has shown their true colors with their involvement with Microsoft.

This is news how? (0, Offtopic)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178431)

So what? Schools get volume discounts on Dells and HPs. Does that mean there should be a news article on how they sponsor eduction advancements?

Re:This is news how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178663)

No, but a car analogy would be nice.

Re:This is news how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178749)

It's like if Henry Ford decided to build cars by hiring teams of engineers who were educated using strictly negative reinforcement such as beatings and...

I got nothin

Re:This is news how? (1)

pravuil (975319) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178989)

No, but a car analogy would be nice.

Volume Pricing on all makes and models of SuSE. Now with an eduction pipe... Get it while it's open and hot!!!

A hushed and hurried voice is then heard off from a distance: Subject to license agreement and acceptance there of. A portion of the funds and proceeds will be distributed to a third party for improving the quality of education for the masses.

And in other news...

To AMD: (5, Insightful)

pajeromanco (575906) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178433)

Save your hardware infrastructure and give me a god damn free driver.

Signed,

ATI user.

Re:To AMD: (4, Insightful)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178585)

No - I don't even care if its free (F/LOSS free). As long as it fucking works and gives me 3D hardware acceleration under Linux on my laptop, I'll be happy (Radeon xpress 200m)...

Re:To AMD: (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178689)

I'm typing this on an Acer Aspire 5100 with the same graphics and using Compiz-fusion with most of the plugins enabled. Ubuntu 7.04 has a feature to download and install the needed "restricted" files.

Re:To AMD: (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179143)

I'll have to give Ubuntu a go on that machine again then... Would your Acer machine also happen to have an internal Broadcom Airforce (don't remember which exactly) wifi working "out of the box" (or close to out of box) under recent Ubuntu spins? I've gone from Fedora to Debian so far, but somewhat stayed away from Ubuntu because it indescribably feels somehow "dirty" to me...

As an added note, I haven't gotten that ATI graphics to work using either the ATI drivers from the ATI/AMD site or any of the ones I've seen in Fedora or Debian Etch repos (for respective distros). Like I said, so far the video output itself works and I can get a GUI with default installs, but not having hardware acceleration has been kinda a bummer, so it'll be nice if Ubuntu works after trying it again...

Re:To AMD: (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179177)

The wireless works perfectly with <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197 102">this</a> (First link in the thread is the deb). Second option listed there uses ndiswrapper and the closed source driver. I use the first one with out any problems, although I've not done any serious testing for range to compare the two and my laptop is only 10ft away from the access point most of the point. Not quite out of the box support, but it's getting there.

Re:To AMD: (1)

Tteddo (543485) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182067)

I have the same laptop and everything (except for the modem..) worked on the first install of Edgy, and and upgrade to feisty. The wireless just worked, then used EasyUbuntu http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ [freecontrib.org] to get the better ATI drivers among other things. I was able to get WPA working great with Wicd http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] . I don't do anything fancy though.

Re:To AMD: (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178729)

And doesn't package drivers with show stopping bugs for an OS that is listed as supported. Yep I used Suse and I live in the US, don't know if the drivers were available in other countries though, but open source drivers that "worked" were free.

Re:To AMD: (1)

narfbot (515956) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179413)

Good news! The Xpress 200m is supported by the open source r300 driver. Yes, it was reverse engineered with no help from ATI. It can play ET, run googleearth from what I've tried. AND it's stable. That's a far difference from when I tried fglrx with my Xpress 200m.

Re:To AMD: (1)

Solra Bizna (716281) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179827)

It wouldn't even recognize my Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition. I spent $250 on that thing only to get fundamentally broken bus management on OSX and no 3D at all on Linux.

-:sigma.SB

Re:To AMD: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20180021)

Who told you to buy mac?

Re:To AMD: (1)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182943)

How would I go about enabling the r300 driver? Right now I'm still using the "ati" driver in xorg, and it certainly doesn't seem to accelerate anything. I've read about r300, but I can't figure out how to actually use it. Does it only exist in unreleased versions of X?

Re:To AMD: (3, Insightful)

BESTouff (531293) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180277)

No - I don't even care if its free (F/LOSS free)

You already had your non-free driver, it's called frglx. It kind of worked for some cards, but exactely because it's NOT Free, it's never been improved to work on newer kernels, with newer Xorg techniques (compositing, randr, ttm, etc.), or with all kind of cards.

If one day ATI releases another version of their proprietary monster for the card of your choice, you'll have no warranty it'll work the year after. Just because you didn't care.

Re:To AMD: (2, Informative)

SunTzuWarmaster (930093) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180867)

For those of us who have installed, uninstalled, updated, removed, forcibily found, hand-loaded, mod-probed, and editted the dreaded /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for:

it is called fglrx.

Re:To AMD: (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#20184199)

"If one day ATI releases another version of their proprietary monster for the card of your choice, you'll have no warranty it'll work the year after. Just because you didn't care."
I would like good free ATI drivers. I would take good drivers for ATI.
But I have to say your statement is baloney. You have NO warranty that a free driver will work a year or two after. If the person maintaining it decides not to and no picks it up it will die. There are a good number of Linux drivers that have bit rotted over the years from lack of maintenance. Nvidia has done a good job with Linux drivers which is why I use them. Intel has done a good job with Linux drivers and has produced FOSS Linux drivers but they do lack some functionality for DRM reasons. Not that I think that is a very bad thing mind you.
From past history the facts are that every accelerated FOSS video driver was written in large part by the company that has produced the GPU. Intel employees are the lead developer for the Intel FOSS video drivers.
ATI really does need to FOSS their drivers because there closed drivers SUCK!.
 

Re:To AMD: (1, Insightful)

Tovok7 (948510) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180341)

No - I don't even care if its free (F/LOSS free). As long as it fucking works and gives me 3D hardware acceleration under Linux on my laptop, I'll be happy (Radeon xpress 200m)...
You should care because only a free driver really ensures that it "fucking works" now, tomorrow and even in a few years when AMD dropped support for the driver because the card is no longer sold. A free driver has the big advantage that we (you, me, everybody) can fix and improve it and give the improved driver away to the community, so everybody benefits.

Re:To AMD: (1)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182199)

"As long as it fucking works and gives me 3D hardware acceleration under Linux on my laptop, I'll be happy (Radeon xpress 200m)..."

I was happy to see that once AMD bought ATI, one of the first thing they began doing was releasing proprietary closed source Linux drivers. Prior to that ATI just referred you to a link to the open source third party versions. I will be honest, I do not run ATI hardware, so I cannot comment on the quality of the driver, but here [amd.com] it is.

From AMD: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178711)

We fell your pain, and understand.
We will see what we can do. In the meantime, please continue to buy our products. If you have any more gripes, please call marketing @ 815.eat.s*&t.
AMD.

Re:To AMD: (1)

Maelwryth (982896) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179545)

Or at least one where I can have a different resolution on the second monitor. Currently, that has me f****d.

Re:To AMD: (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 6 years ago | (#20181859)

Or at least one where I can have a different resolution on the second monitor. Currently, that has me f****d.
That's because you're not supposed to have two different monitors. Don't you see? Instead of hogging that power-hungry 15" CRT as a second monitor, buy 22" LCDs. In pairs.

Re:To AMD ATI Sucks (1)

canuck57 (662392) | more than 6 years ago | (#20181913)

Save your hardware infrastructure and give me a god damn free driver.

Unfortunately I could not agree with you more. I used to be an ATI fan through and through. But when they changed their policy I could not get proper drivers support for my OSes I switched to its main competitor and haven't looked back. But I also suspect the competitor's driver problems with Vista are related.

Seems like hardware vendors are going to have to align themselves with an OS. Similar problems exist with wireless cards and the like. Take Broadcom's stance on open source drivers.

My purchase policy, even if I buy Windows is simple, it supports open source drivers or your off my buy list. Even if I have to buy a PC/laptop for dumping Vista to load XP for short term reasons, I know sooner or later I am going to run Linux on it and want to know the drivers are there.

AMD inherited a marketing nightmare with ATI...and emailing them is useless. I tried.

How is the build service different from apt (1)

quanticle (843097) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178483)

From the Build Service End User page:

The openSUSE End User Frontend offers distribution users easy access to all software, which has been built in the openSUSE Build Service. You can easily search for software for your distribution. This includes all openSUSE, SUSE Linux Enterprise and foreign distributions (Fedora, Mandriva, Debian, Ubuntu).

How is this different than apt-get, or even just using Google to search for packages?

Re:How is the build service different from apt (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178635)

Apart from having a single repository for packages for many major distros, the BUILD SERVICE actually will BUILD the packages for you if you are a package maintainer. For multiple architectures. Hence it's name - the BUILD SERVICE.

Maybe something about the name wasn't clear? Perhaps you should read about the BUILD SERVICE [opensuse.org] then.

The obvious benefit for end users becomes that regardless of what you use for package management, if the package maintainer opts to use the openSUSE build service, you can point your package management software - ZDM, YaST, apt-get, synaptic, etc - at the repositories on the build service servers and not *have* to search for them.

The obvious benefit for a package maintainer is that they don't have to maintain a compile farm of different architectures to actually build the packages across multiple distributions. The build service has that and does the build for you.

Re:How is the build service different from apt (5, Informative)

spyowl (838397) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178653)

How is this different than apt-get, or even just using Google to search for packages?


You missed the part where it's a build service for developers. If you are a developer and have used or looked at their tools and interface, you'll find it will save you a lot of time, hassle and resources - write your software, upload it, and have it packaged and readily available for multiple distributions on multiple architectures. Your package has dependencies that have been updated by their developers? No problem, the service will automatically trigger to rebuild your package using the updated dependencies. Read more here [opensuse.org] .

Re:How is the build service different from apt (1)

swokm (1140623) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179589)

you'll find it will save you a lot of time, hassle and resources
Exactly! I'm not entirely sure HOW AMD will leverage that, but if all the business world ends up with OLPC type laptops/desktops that have low-power "exotic/embedded" processors, I'm pretty sure this build system will fully exploit features of any chips that come out of AMD. (except, perhaps for ATI chips) ;)

Of course, if those machines also run SUSE, well then logically you might as well use SUSE on the back end. Maybe on AMD... that is how I see business procurement agents thinking, anyway. Novell certainly needs the name exposure it has been seeking if they want to survive, Netware dominance was a looong time ago.

Idealistic, but not unrealistic. Personally, I think it'd be great if we all just got along, used Gentoo, and forgot about Micro... whats-its-name. I'd also like a pony. But why all the Novell hate?

Sigh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20179537)

This is the attitude that prevents Linux from ever being adopted by people who just want to use the damn OS already and get on with life. Apt-get and googling are not as simple as a well-designed frontend would be. Having to type in some stupid command or googling around for stuff is kind of retarded for an operating system you ever want accepted by more than the 12 Linux-fluent people using it.

That's real nice... (4, Insightful)

kilgortrout (674919) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178539)

but if you really want to help give us some open source drivers for ati graphics cards or at least closed source ones that don't totally suck.

Re:That's real nice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20181877)

I really hope someone at AMD reads these posts. That is SO true, ATi closed drivers SUCK and making them better is not enough. We want FREE DRIVERS.

I once even wrote a letter to ATI just to say that I'm going to start buying Nvidia if they don't make free drivers or help the community make them. I told them I loved my Radeon 9200 and the free drivers that I used with it, but I would really love to buy a newer card from them. They answered me, totally ignoring what I asked for, and told me I could download their crappy closed source driver.. So i started buying Nvidia. (and will start buing intel as soon as they make the rumored discrete graphics card - since Nvidia closed drivers suck a litle too)

Leading Edge (5, Funny)

Iam9376 (1096787) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178553)

AMD has helped sponsor the progress of openSUSE with leading-edge hardware and development expertise.


So they donated Intel processors?

Re:Leading Edge (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178579)

mod parent flamebait/troll

Re:Leading Edge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178731)

apparently you cant tell what's a joke

On another note, why? the post is technically accurate..

Re:Leading Edge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20178897)

I know its a joke, but AMDs server hardware actually compares very well to intels.

On the other hand, they were probably just pushing out old stock to make room for Barcelona.

Re:Leading Edge (1)

dubbreak (623656) | more than 6 years ago | (#20183183)

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Excellent Question! (4, Interesting)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178633)

I was just thinking the same thing, the past several days have been very dynamic in the way of licensing/FOSS in big business. We have sun, bittorrent, mysql, amd, proprietary AV systems, a DUI driver wins code, NewYorkCountryLawyer [slashdot.org] , Dell with on-board virtualization, openSuse, and well I'm sure I'm missing something somewhere because /. has had a good story every couple of hours for a few days now. It's almost scary. Ooh, Linux kernel developers coming under fire for not paying enough attention to the desktop, too. Anyone know how Vista is doing these days?

Re:Excellent Question! (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178685)

Oooh, just browsed and found another one. the Red Cross vs Johnson & and Johnson (the baby co.) fighting over a red cross used in trademark. This might be the "year of the linux desktop" scenario where things seem more intense than they are, but I can't deny what I've read lately.

Re:Excellent Question! (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180283)

Anyone know how Vista is doing these days?

Yup, our website stats: 10% and growing constantly.

Re:Excellent Question! (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180403)

I think over the past few months, Linux has been inching toward that magical critical mass that the OSS evangelists have predicted would come some day*...

I mean... all the signs are in place. I've toyed around with linux on and off for years, and have *always* reverted back to Windows or Mac OS after a few months full of small frustrations.

Now I've got Ubuntu on my Mac, and have no intention of switching back. Microsoft's latest operating system is horrible -- and the general public realizes it. Major vendors are shipping linux, and enthusiastically supporting it. We've finally got a highly-usable desktop distribution (Ubuntu), and the small kinks that are present in it are being quickly ironed out.

*And frankly, I didn't really believe that Linux would ever get its act together enough to achieve widespread popularity. I thought that the first viable/wildly popular open-source desktop would be some sort of "dark horse" candidate from way out in left field (perhaps something like openBeOS) that would quickly mature and gather a large audience, sort of in the manner that Firefox did.

Debian GNU/Linux (2)

wikinerd (809585) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178659)

I would very much prefer them to support Debian rather than openSUSE.

Re:Debian GNU/Linux (3, Insightful)

T-Ranger (10520) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178703)

Novell hasn't had the greatest year. I guess if they sell of one of their two or three corporate jets, and Debian picks it up, then Debian may begin to impress the likes of AMD.

Re:Debian GNU/Linux (1)

pugdk (697845) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179341)

Amen to that.

Re:Debian GNU/Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20179419)

Actually checked...Novell doesn't have any corporate jets...and in fact, as someone who has run Linux on a ton of systems, SuSE is a good distro. And I'm getting a little tired of the Novell bashing, since they are actually doing a lot (and have done) for open source and the community despite what people think about the MS/Novell patent agreement. I mean, it's fine to hate the suits that run Novell, but not hate the distro or the devs who make SuSE a good distro, right?

Re:Debian GNU/Linux (1)

Hucko (998827) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180659)

Yes, but they NEED to change package managers and not stuff around with Microsoft... Please Novel?
Yes, I agree it is a good distro, for a noob home user (that would be me, btw). But I have yet to see any package management system sniff apt get's scent. Plus synaptic makes a great gui front end.

That's a problem with linux.. (4, Funny)

brxndxn (461473) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180637)

I would very much prefer them to support Debian rather than openSUSE.

Well I'd rather them support Ubuntu and my friend would rather Redhat. My dog likes Gentoo because he loves compiling.

Every time a company tries 'throwing a bone' to the open source community and chooses a system to support (which will inevitably filter to the other distros), the linux geeks go, "But wait.. I like this distro instead."

Just be happy; it's linux.

Re:Debian GNU/Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20181655)

You know the openSuSE build service generates Debian packages as well, yes?

SUSE (0, Flamebait)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#20178997)

That's a Microsoft product, right? Just checking, that's all.

Re:SUSE (0, Flamebait)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179079)

yeah it looks like AMD is wasting money on a pseudo-Open-source product, shame on them.

Re:SUSE (3, Insightful)

apokryphos (869208) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182799)

Yeah, sure, SUSE is a pseudo open-source project which an incredibly significant percentage of the open-source community is working on. Like who? Developers of probably 70% of the applications (and a higher percentage of software) that you regularly use. Like what, you say? Heard of KDE? Heard of GNOME? Heard of OpenOffice.org, the Linux kernel, GCC, ALSA, Compiz? Yes, it's often hard to not use them. :-)

The tagline of the story is perfectly applicable here: money-where-mouth-is. You really don't want SUSE in the OSS community? Put your money where your mouth is: start ripping out all the contributions that they put in. :)

Anyway, at least be sure that your hate is justified [opensuse.org] , which it most probably isn't.

Re:SUSE (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#20183503)

FTL:

Covenant not to sue each others _customers_ over patents.

That's about as believable as a search engine's "privacy policy". And BitTorrent and MySQL shows just what happens to the community when its contributions become part of big business. And didn't the same thing happen to CDDB? Sorry, the threat is just too large. And as far as I'm concerned, SUSE is a Microsoft product now. As for the link, I want a second opinion. Hopefully we won't need one from a judge.

Re:SUSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20179381)

Microsoft will get bored when they realize SUSE is stable, if they learned anything at all from the whole XP fiasco.

Re:SUSE (0, Offtopic)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180697)

"That's a Microsoft product, right? Just checking, that's all"

Not exactly but you do have to ask billg's permission before working on YOUR own code and can't make any money out of it and YOU don't own it. Apart from that YOU are free to do what you want.

To the arse that modded the previous message 'flamebait', why not sod off and go back to patroling the openSUSE forum.

was: SUSE (Score:0, Flamebait)

Indication (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 6 years ago | (#20179097)

Are these continued announcements of huge support from large OEMs an indication of a new era?
It's an indication that OEMs believe that the open source and free software communities have enough clout to have major impacts on business markets in computer technologies. In most markets, if a proprietary software company angers technology consumers to a sufficient degree, enough members of these communities band together to provide a workable alternative. Mozilla aside, witness the results of MySQL, Apache and the KHTML team. MySQL and Apache have a huge market penetrations, and KHTML is now preinstalled on every Mac, as part of Safari. There are more examples, but those are the most obvious.

openSuSE and the GPL .. (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20180651)

"You may make and distribute unlimited copies of the Software outside Your organization provided that: 1) You receive no consideration; and, 2) you do not bundle or combine the Software with another offering""

"You may not: (1) reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software"

"The Software may contain an automatic disabling mechanism that prevents its use after a certain period of time"

"No title to or ownership of the Software is transferred to You .. You acquire only a license to use the Software"

"This Beta Agreement shall terminate [opensuse.org] upon the earlier of .. written notice of termination by either party, or (v) the date on which You breach any of the terms of this Beta Agreement"

"You may not .. publish or disclose .. the results of any benchmark test of the Software"

What's the whole point of openSUSE again. If the GPL is such an onerous license then why don't Novell strip all GPL licensed code from SUSE Linux, after all, what's only valuable is the kernel, right 'elsewhere' ...

Re:openSuSE and the GPL .. (2, Insightful)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182309)

What's the whole point of openSUSE again. If the GPL is such an onerous license then why don't Novell strip all GPL licensed code from SUSE Linux, after all, what's only valuable is the kernel, right 'elsewhere' ...

You should have read the next paragraph:

The Software is a modular operating system. Most of the components are open source packages, developed independently, and accompanied by separate license terms. Your license rights with respect to individual components accompanied by separate license terms are defined by those terms; nothing in this Agreement (including, for example, the "Other License Terms and Restrictions," below) shall restrict, limit, or otherwise affect any rights or obligations You may have, or conditions to which You may be subject, under such license terms.

The paragraph you quoted only applies to any proprietary Novel code. Novel actually has a good record of releasing anything of value to the opensource community. This is however a beta not a release. Let's see what happens in the full release.

Sold to The Borg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20180743)

Suse is now Novell which is just a member of The Borg collective... Then you can understand why it's that distro which gets most of the support deals, and why there are huge efforts (backed by a lot of The Borg's $$$, see brain damaged software patents deals as money transfer) trying to lock out the other distros (those not yet assimilated by The Borg collective) from mainstream.

openSUSE is dead for me ! (1)

dankh (992599) | more than 6 years ago | (#20181195)

No matter what step Novell takes, till the deal with Microsoft is alive, I'll never touch or recommend this distro. Why AMD, IBM/Lenovo or others push openSUSE they doesn't like Debian's "Social Contract" [debian.org] or The Ubuntu Promise [ubuntu.com] ?

The only good reason... (1)

Boydacus (861607) | more than 6 years ago | (#20181297)

these companies would give a project money is to get something in return. Perhaps an "Optimized for..." labeling for their processor on that distro? Worked for tech n00bs on mp3 players and the like with Microsoft and their "guarantee" sticker on end-user products.

drivers (1)

memnock (466995) | more than 6 years ago | (#20182337)

Are these continued announcements of huge support from large OEMs an indication of a new era?"

only if it means there is finally support for these damn Broadcom wireless chips.
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