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Karl Rove Resigning Aug 31

CmdrTaco posted about 7 years ago | from the start-the-clock-ticking dept.

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tetrahedrassface writes "According to CNN current Bush Administration political advisor Karl Rove will be resigning his post as senior political advisor at the end of August to spend more time with his family. Few if any prior senior political advisors to presidents have been the lightning rods for controversy that Mr. Rove has. Accused of running smear campaigns and celebrated for pioneering district level up campaigns that rely heavily on databases and fake grassroots origins, Mr Rove is one of the chief architects of the Republican Revolution."

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Ever notice? (5, Funny)

UncleWilly (1128141) | about 7 years ago | (#20211775)

Ever notice the smart rats jump first from the burning ship?

Re:Ever notice? (2, Interesting)

Stonent1 (594886) | about 7 years ago | (#20211833)

I'm just looking forward to the next election simply because once Bush is out, I no longer have to hear about people constantly complaining about him. I'm starting not to care who wins, I just don't trust Hillary one bit. I can see it in her eyes and her expressions. I didn't get a good feeling about her even during the 1992 elections.

Re:Ever notice? (5, Funny)

endianx (1006895) | about 7 years ago | (#20211975)

Same here. I am certain nobody will complain about whoever the next president is. I can not wait for the peace and quiet.

Re:Ever notice? (1)

cooley (261024) | about 7 years ago | (#20212121)

You must be new here. :)

Re:Ever notice? (1, Informative)

mooingyak (720677) | about 7 years ago | (#20212123)

I am certain nobody will complain about whoever the next president is.

If there's one thing I can guarantee, it's that this is plain wrong.
It doesn't matter who gets elected, the complaints never stop.

Or did your sarcasm just go completely over my head?

Re:Ever notice? (1)

east coast (590680) | about 7 years ago | (#20212027)

I'm starting not to care who wins, I just don't trust Hillary one bit.

Amen to that. I don't mind that she's a moderate. I'm not even a Democrat myself. But all things considered it makes you wonder:

The Dems were also trying to distance themselves from the Clintons at the end of Bill's terms in office. Distance themselves so much that there was a debate over whether or not Bill should align himself with John Kerry after the first four years of Bush Jr. The idea that Hillary is the current front runner for the Dems doesn't bode well with them is a sign of something being sour.

Aside from potentially pulling some of the female vote the only reason I can think of that Dems are supporting her at this point is that she has the potential to also drum up some real monetary support.

I'm afraid unless someone comes way out of left field at this point 2008 is going to be another year of voting based on the flip of a coin instead of a real candidate with some direction.

I just hope that some people finally put their vote where their mouth is a vote third parties. If for no other reason then to show the public discontent with the meager offerings that the Dems and Reps think should entice us.

Lets vote rationally. (5, Insightful)

cliffski (65094) | about 7 years ago | (#20212095)

you vote for someone based on their eyes and expressions?
Here in the UK, we had a blind home secretary for a while. his eyes went crazy all the time. I guess he would have lost your vote?
I'd be happy never to see a politician, or hear them, so I'm not influenced by such trivialities. What matters is what they propose, what they have done, and what they will do. Looks, Age, voice, style, I couldn't give a damn. the main job of a president or PM is to make the right decisions. You can be a 400 pound ugly son of a bitch who dribbles constantly and sounds like fozzy bear, but if you make the right decisions, I'll vote for you, and I won't care about your race, your gender or your looks.

Re:Lets vote rationally. (2, Funny)

wperry1 (982543) | about 7 years ago | (#20212239)

But the pretty people LOOK so good on the TV.

Re:Ever notice? (5, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | about 7 years ago | (#20212175)

I wouldn't personally worry about Hillary. I don't think that she has a snowballs chance. What with the way that large parts of the country hating her and all.

I for one say good bye and good riddance to Rove. I mean seriously, he has done more to damage this country's political system than just about anybody since the British.

Pushing his radical agenda, which doesn't even reflect genuine conservative values, while making a complete mockery of the entire political process. It genuinely amazes me how so many minority view points have managed to permeate an administration, even after it has lost so much popularity.

The way of campaigning in recent years has been just appalling. The war in Iraq wasn't sufficiently important for congressional attention in '04, but trying to pass a anti-same sex marriage constitutional amendment was worthy of time. I don't get it, why exactly are Republicans so quick to pretend to be conservative? I mean I thought that conservativism had something to do with states rights, keeping the government out of ones business and cutting spending. I haven't seen any progress on any one of those issues in the last 6+ years. Embarrassingly enough, there was more progress on those fronts during the Clinton administration than in GWB's.

And I should probably just mod this down, because this is slashdot, and I'm sure that somebody will do me that favor. I mean, thoughtful posts should never be in the positive, right?

Re:Ever notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211841)

Ever notice the smart rats jump first from the burning ship?
Or maybe they're pushed overboard for being smart, as hinted to in the "resigning to spend more time with the family" reason.

Turd Blossom! (2, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 7 years ago | (#20211895)

Google it. Revealing.

This man says he's leaving "for his family".

Thant's because they have the evidence of his cruising activities with D.C.'s gay hustlers.

Karl Rove: Known in Gay Circles as 'Miss Piggy'
by jo swift at 12:10PM (CET) on November 2, 2006 | Permanent Link | Cosmos

In Washington's more 'discreet' gay bars Karl Rove is well-known as a frequent visitor. Witty gays have given him the nickname 'Miss Piggy, after the character on 'The Muppets'. Whether this refers to his appearance ['the doughboy'] or his sexual preferences is open to speculation.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pRvic62nhFoJ:w ww.radicalleft.net/blog/_archives/2005/8/2/1100109 .html+Rove+Gay&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=fir efox-a [72.14.253.104]

Re:Ever notice? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211977)

So true. Especially when you consider that in premodern societies, including ancient Greece and premodern Japan, anal sex was associated with male-male paederastic relationships. Manuscripts and art from those periods depict anal sex as the main or only sexual activity that occurred in such relationships.

In modern times, particularly in Western cultures, anal sex has been popularly associated with gay and bisexual men. In particular, anal sex has been associated with the spread of HIV, especially in early years of the discovery of the disease. This resulted in gay bathhouses in some American cities being shut down by public-health authorities.

Among gay men who have anal sex, some consistently take the top (insertive) or bottom (receptive) role, but this is not always the case: some men who have anal sex act as both top and bottom at different times. This is known as "versatile" or "switch".

Uh, elections ... (4, Insightful)

AHumbleOpinion (546848) | about 7 years ago | (#20212013)

Ever notice the smart rats jump first from the burning ship?

Uh, no, once Bush won reelection the ship "Bush II" was home free. Perhaps you heard about an upcoming election season? Rove is a political consultant specializing in getting Republicans elected and advancing conservative initiatives. It is simply time from Karl to get involved in the elections and he can't do that from the White House anymore.

Mod Parental Unit Up! (1)

conspirator57 (1123519) | about 7 years ago | (#20212145)

Whichever candidate takes him on is a candidate i'll not vote for in the primary. My guess would be Romney or whichever wins the social conservatives between Huckabee and Brownbeck. Of course, if it's one of those three it's convenient because I would have voted for them in the first place. Now if Giulianni takes him on... the only choice left is Paul.

Re:Mod Parental Unit Up! (1)

conspirator57 (1123519) | about 7 years ago | (#20212283)

Of course, if it's one of those three it's convenient because I would have *NOT* voted for them in the first place.

damn slip-up.

Re:Ever notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212033)

The US government is more powerful than ever before in history, and taking in more revenue than ever before in history. In fact, the US government is now the most powerful and expensive government -- AND world empire, with military bases in some 150 countries around the world -- that has ever existed.

If you're in the business of government, you'd hardly call that a burning ship. In the end, whether they "succeed" or "fail" is just as irrelevant as public opinion; as long as they can maintain their level of revenue and power over the people, they win.

The worst that could happen to the current administration is having to give it all up. You didn't think they'd be punished for their crimes, did you?

Re:Ever notice? (4, Informative)

truthsearch (249536) | about 7 years ago | (#20212075)

He's far from the first to leave the administration.

And how's this ship burning? It doesn't appear anyone is going to be indicted for any more crimes. Impeachment proceedings haven't begun. And it's their second term so no worries over re-election. Bush doesn't care about his lack of popularity as he's already accomplished most of his goals.

Re:Ever notice? (1)

wperry1 (982543) | about 7 years ago | (#20212269)

He can't run a campaign while he is working for the White House. He is probably just preparing to get on-board with one of the Presidential campaigns.

Kudos in advance (5, Funny)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 7 years ago | (#20211777)

I just wanted to take a moment to thank the slashdot community, in advance, for what I am certain will be yet another discussion that will be the picture of decorum and civility. If there is anything I have learned about slashdot over the years, it is its ability to conduct a mature discussion about any topic, devoid of paranoia, rage, or ignorance.

In fact, I believe it would be fair to say that it was slashdot that single-handedly relegated the old connotation of "tinfoil hat" to the dustbin, leaving instead something that could only be termed fashionable, if unique, headwear in its wake. I know of no other web site that could have accomplished this return to such a balance and due consideration of all sides of an issue in its discourse.

Only on slashdot can such a discussion be guaranteed to be free of cynicism that dominates other venues of debate. Here, opposing viewpoints will be examined and considered, and not snuffed out. Nor will the community elevate viewpoints which only serve to reinforce their preconceived notions; indeed, slashdot, especially its comments, is the place to come for an evenly weighted consideration of any issue, especially issues of a political nature.

Neither will commenters fall to the common fallacy of "recentism", believing that a recent event must necessarily be the worst such case of an event in the history of mankind; instead recognizing that the internet can simply deluge us with an increasingly unprecedented level of information about any person or group which may pique our interest, allowing a wide range of ever more specific issues and minutia to be amplified to levels never witnessed in the past.

Moreover, I can tell by the (current) article title - "Politics: Carl Rove Resigning Aug 31" - that this discussion will have the highest regard for accuracy not only in content, but in spelling and grammar, as regular slashdot visitors will no doubt recognize to be the status quo. This level of accuracy can only be achieved by the tireless work of slashdot's editors, who carefully review each submission to the site.

So, bravo, slashdot - not only for what you have accomplished for political discussion in the past, but for the discussion you are about to have. It is exactly this kind of level-headed discussion that keeps people coming back for evenly balanced news and careful interpretation on nearly any topic.

Bravo, indeed!

MOD PARENT UP!!! (0, Offtopic)

darkrowan (976992) | about 7 years ago | (#20211871)

+5, Sarcasm

I am Rowan, and I approve of this and the parent message.

Re:Kudos in advance (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211897)


I just wanted to take a moment to thank the slashdot community, in advance, for what I am certain will be yet another discussion that will be the picture of decorum and civility.

And I'd just like to take a moment to thank you, Dave Schroeder, for doing the same thing. Your objective and nuanced posts about Apple and pretty much everything are such a treat to read I just can't wait for another one.

Re:Kudos in advance (2, Funny)

my sig is bigger tha (682562) | about 7 years ago | (#20211917)

jeez dude, way to intimidate people. who's going to feel up to your sarcasm after that?
(this is nice: Neither will commenters fall to the common fallacy of "recentism", believing that a recent event must necessarily be the worst such case of an event in the history of mankind; instead recognizing that the internet can simply deluge us with an increasingly unprecedented level of information about any person or group which may pique our interest, allowing a wide range of ever more specific issues and minutia to be amplified to levels never witnessed in the past.)

my favorite sentence from TFA: "Rove said the first thing he plans to do after leaving the White House is "go dove hunting..."

Re:Kudos in advance (0)

NickFortune (613926) | about 7 years ago | (#20211923)

Of course, if I was really paranoid, I'd wonder how long you had that typed up so you try to sidetrack the discussion with some first post flamebait about what is and is not a proper for a slashdot post.

So, bravo, slashdot - not only for what you have accomplished for political discussion in the past, but for the discussion you are about to have. It is exactly this kind of level-headed discussion that keeps people coming back for evenly balanced news and careful interpretation on nearly any topic.

Don't feel you have to hang around if we're boring you that badly. You go on ahead; we'll catch you up.

Re:Kudos in advance (1)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 7 years ago | (#20212041)

Of course, if I was really paranoid, I'd wonder how long you had that typed up so you try to sidetrack the discussion with some first post flamebait about what is and is not a proper for a slashdot post.

How long in advance I had it typed up? I'd say about, oh, five minutes or so?

You know, since I'm a subscriber and all. See that little * by my username?

(I always get a kick out of it whenever I'm in the first few posts of a story due to the fact that I'm a subscriber, and someone insinuates that the comment was completely canned and prepared, just waiting for the right time to be posted to slashdot. Sorry to disappoint, but I write my comments after I see the story. If you want to see the stories a bit early, you, too, can become a subscriber.)

And, oh, I'm sure my post will certainly stifle the discussion to follow!

Re:Kudos in advance (1)

NickFortune (613926) | about 7 years ago | (#20212249)

You know, since I'm a subscriber and all. See that little * by my username?

Oh, is that what it it means? Good job I'm not paranoid then :D

And, oh, I'm sure my post will certainly stifle the discussion to follow!

Still, nothing lost by trying, eh?

Re:Kudos in advance (0, Flamebait)

misleb (129952) | about 7 years ago | (#20212401)

And, oh, I'm sure my post will certainly stifle the discussion to follow!


Sarcastic much? For fuck's sake, if discussions here are THAT predictable, boring, uninsightful, or whatever your main complaint is (it is difficult to read through the layers of sarcasm), just leave. Not for me or anyone else, but just for your own well being. And to think, you actually PAY for your membership...

Re:Kudos in advance (3, Insightful)

nagora (177841) | about 7 years ago | (#20212009)

I just wanted to take a moment to thank the slashdot community, in advance, for what I am certain will be yet another discussion that will be the picture of decorum and civility.

Well, if it's a discussion about Rove, decorum and civility would be highly inappropriate.

Re:Kudos in advance (0, Flamebait)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | about 7 years ago | (#20212045)

And I want to thank you for not helping to turn Slashdot into a free advertising program for Apple.

Hey, as long as we're hallucinating, I might as well use the opportunity to compliment you :-)

Re:Kudos in advance (0, Flamebait)

hey! (33014) | about 7 years ago | (#20212089)

Indeed! And only on slashdot could we expect a discussion so free of patronizing sarcasem.

Re:Kudos in advance (0, Troll)

RiotNrrd (35077) | about 7 years ago | (#20212105)

Tits or GTFO.

Re:Kudos in advance (1)

slapout (93640) | about 7 years ago | (#20212233)

Only on slashdot would that post get modded +5, Funny.

On a more serious note, well said.

Re:Kudos in advance (2, Insightful)

o'reor (581921) | about 7 years ago | (#20212345)

I just wanted to take a moment to thank the slashdot community, in advance, for what I am certain will be yet another discussion that will be the picture of decorum and civility. If there is anything I have learned about slashdot over the years, it is its ability to conduct a mature discussion about any topic, devoid of paranoia, rage, or ignorance.
You are absolutely right, and I think that Slashdot is an example of civility that should be taken as a model by LittleGreenFootball, the DailyKos, Alternet and so on.

Wait... forget about that. They already did.

Re:Kudos in advance (5, Insightful)

roystgnr (4015) | about 7 years ago | (#20212397)

...a balance and due consideration of all sides...

Ironically, in the middle of your effort to point out what's wrong with political discussion in the USA, you're encouraging one of the more insidious flaws in mainstream media coverage: the idea that "due consideration" will always be "evenly balanced". Sometimes the right way to "Teach the Controversy" is just to point out the objective facts which make the fringe side of the controversy look stupid, not to fill 50% of your story with flat-earther quotes and title the whole thing "Shape of Earth: Views Differ".

Most online discussion is even worse, since people have ten thousand popular blogs to choose from and so naturally gravitate to the ones that reinforce their pre-existing beliefs - so instead of reading stories that don't challenge our objectively questionable views, we get to read stories that don't challenge any of our views. By this standard, Slashdot's political discussions are actually pretty good - the tech crowd skews more libertarian than average, but because Slashdot is not inherently a political site there's still enough liberals and conservatives and socialists and such in the crowd to make things interesting, most of whom aren't just trolls. The nested comments are lightyears ahead of most sites for encouraging constructive debate, and if you set your threshold to 4 or lower you'll even get to read the most well-written anti-groupthink side of that debate.

"News For Nerds" indeed. (3)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211789)

Apart from the blatent click-whoring of the pointless "Politics" section, why is this on /. at all?

Re:"News For Nerds" indeed. (1)

ArcadeX (866171) | about 7 years ago | (#20211887)

I saw the word 'databases', that count? I do think it's newsworthy though; it could be argueed that he is more responsible than anyone else for Bush not only getting elected, but also re-elected. Like him or not, that's something that effects nerds and muggles alike.

Re:"News For Nerds" indeed. (0, Offtopic)

tygerstripes (832644) | about 7 years ago | (#20211947)

Hear hear. Shame you didn't get First Post.

Editors, what is your job, exactly? Moderators can only moderate what's posted - you're supposed to vet the fucking stories for accuracy and relevance.

Re:"News For Nerds" indeed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212225)

You must be new here.

This is news for nerds and stuff that matters. Any time anything related to Republicans can be presented negatively, it's "stuff that matters".

FRIST PS0T (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211791)

frosty piss!

news for geeks, stuff that matters...? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211807)

Is that false advertisement now? /., a.k.a. neo-digg with articles like this.

i don't get it (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 7 years ago | (#20211817)

yes, the man is a slimeball

and this thread will get about 10,000 cheers for his departure and exclamations of his slimeball status

regardless, neither the comments nor this story has anything remotely to do with slashdot

"news for nerds", right?

yes, this is news, but not slashdot news

Have you ever seen Karl Rove? (4, Funny)

sheldon (2322) | about 7 years ago | (#20211929)

He's most definately a nerd. He's so much of a nerd, even the geeks beat up on him in high school.

Re:i don't get it (0, Flamebait)

everphilski (877346) | about 7 years ago | (#20211955)

pandering to your audience.

pageviews for the ads.

Taco doesn't give a fuck anymore.

Re:i don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211965)

Slashdot is in large part an outlet for the editors' political views these days. Get back to the real news!

Respectfully, I disagree. (4, Insightful)

HerculesMO (693085) | about 7 years ago | (#20212001)

It is news for nerds, when the top advisor of an administration who has supported topics like changing the fight on global warming, letting the FCC let lobbyists write its daily agendas, encouraging telcos to say that the internet is "theirs" and that they can charge a premium to different internet sites around the globe if they want 'increased' bandwith.

It is news for nerds, when an administration is guilty of supporting failing industries like airlines, stopping the path for new airlines to make headway into the arena. It is news for nerds when we remove the advisor who played the "Wizard of Oz" with what should be the most powerful man in the world.

In reality though, it won't change a thing. Rove's departure is too little, too late. My hope is that charges are brought upon him for the firing of the US Attorneys and making it politically motivated, for helping cherry pick intelligence to make a case for a war of choice, for re-writing documents written by climatologists to show that global warming is a hoax, and on and on. The intelligent folks would start the indictment towards the end of Bush's term, and have it run through after he is out of office. No sentence should be passed while George Bush is in office. This way, when faced with SOLID jail time, Karl Rove will show how his underhanded life will play against George Bush and Co when he starts blathering about every bad thing he and his buddies in the White House did during his tenure. And you can bet that it would happen if he did face jail time.

For an administration so bent on war, almost all of them deferred multiple times to stay out of Vietnam, or flew aircraft that were obsolete and had no chance of being used in battle. When they are faced with the violent fact of jail -- you can bet they will try to "defer" yet again.

Oh Please. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212195)

It is really stretching to say that this is news for nerds. Plenty of political news happens every day from both sides, yet the only ones that seem to matter to slashdot is when it only concerns Republicans?

This politics section is a joke. This is not news for nerds. This is raw meat for the digg/kos crowd. Remember when CmdrTaco said they would be fair? It's not even close. Trolls like kdawon and Zonk use this section as their personal soapbox. It's ridiculous when anyone says it's anything but.

Try to get a pro-Republican story past the mods (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212277)

It doesn't happen. I've tried. Even when it's technical/geek related in nature.

Re:Respectfully, I disagree. (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | about 7 years ago | (#20212367)

Karl Rove will show how his underhanded life will play against George Bush and Co when he starts blathering about every bad thing he and his buddies in the White House did during his tenure. And you can bet that it would happen if he did face jail time.

As long as there is a Republican president, Karl Rove will never face jail time.

Besides which, the honor among scoundrels cannot be discounted. Think of the way miscreants like Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy refused to rat out the men that gave them their orders, and their subsequent lionizations.

Re:Respectfully, I disagree. (2, Insightful)

Shajenko42 (627901) | about 7 years ago | (#20212411)

The intelligent folks would start the indictment towards the end of Bush's term, and have it run through after he is out of office. No sentence should be passed while George Bush is in office. This way, when faced with SOLID jail time, Karl Rove will show how his underhanded life will play against George Bush and Co when he starts blathering about every bad thing he and his buddies in the White House did during his tenure. And you can bet that it would happen if he did face jail time.
Bush can pardon Rove even if no sentence has yet been passed. For precedence, see the pardoning of Richard Nixon.

Re:i don't get it (5, Insightful)

PJ1216 (1063738) | about 7 years ago | (#20212003)

If this slashdot post results in that many responses, then obviously this something we'd deem "stuff that matters."

Re:i don't get it (2, Insightful)

linguizic (806996) | about 7 years ago | (#20212015)

I thought what makes someone a nerd is having an odd penchant for publicly stating unwarranted opinions on everything.

Re:i don't get it (3, Insightful)

cybermage (112274) | about 7 years ago | (#20212025)

yes, this is news, but not slashdot news

And that, my friend, is the problem.

Politicians in both parties are ruining this country because people have divorced themselves from the political process. Politicians will continue to take your money and spend it as they see fit, get us into wars, and commit attrocities in your name whether you're involved in the process or not.

Voting is not just a right: It's a responsiblity. Being informed about the issues allows you to take that responsiblity seriously.

I know many nerds who get all the news they want from Slashdot, DZone, etc. I'm glad some of the Slashdot editors occasionally slip in news they need. Whether you care about politics or not, it is "stuff that matters."

It's August (1)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | about 7 years ago | (#20212117)

I thought this was a slow week, too, so I popped over to the fire hose yesterday to see what was going on, and it was exactly jack and shit. It's kind of scary the kinds of worthless junk that people submit: lots of "hey check this outs" with just a link or a copy and-pasted press release from Dell. Say what you will about the editors, they do a pretty good job of putting the best submissions on the front page. The problem is, if we don't go find things quality articles to submit and take the time to write a summary, they won't have anything else to post but the Dell adverts.

Besides, August is always slow.

Re:i don't get it (1)

no-body (127863) | about 7 years ago | (#20212303)

and this thread will get about 10,000 cheers for his departure and exclamations of his slimeball status


and again get fooled as so many other's...

How long is this guy pulling the strings very successfully? Anyone thinking the can stop?

That he just steps out of the bright light and does what he always did from the "underground", not so visible is a very possible chance. This country is changing in a big way, unthinkable things get pulled off and what happens? Absolutely nothing!


yes, this is news, but not slashdot news


Right, but says who? It got posted.

Re:i don't get it (2, Funny)

Bemopolis (698691) | about 7 years ago | (#20212355)

Of course it's relevant to Slashdot — he uses an iPhone. Which just goes to show how great a product it is; I mean, who knew it could handle that level of fire and brimstone?

Re:i don't get it (1)

thejeffer (864748) | about 7 years ago | (#20212421)

Wait, so nerds can't care about politics? When did that happen? Dang, guess I'll have to stop voting now.

Rove Responds (5, Funny)

Himring (646324) | about 7 years ago | (#20211825)

According to CNN current Bush Administration political advisor Karl Rove will be resigning his post as senior political advisor at the end of August [CC] to spend more time with his family.

"When asked for comment Mr. Rove stated, 'I believe we will be settling down in this place called The Shire. I understand great opportunity exists there to squash more insurgency....'"

Naturally, you'd have to have read the actual LoTR to get that and not just seen the movies....

Actually... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | about 7 years ago | (#20212131)

The movie version serves perfectly fine for your analogy :)

I've only read "the Hobbit" and was terribly bored by the end of it -- the movies are a lot better and explain what the Shire is perfectly well :)

Re:Actually... (2, Informative)

Himring (646324) | about 7 years ago | (#20212265)

The movies did not cover "The Scouring of The Shire," so, no, you don't get it....

Maybe this will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouring_of_the_Shire [wikipedia.org]

WARNING!!! SPOILER!!!

Re:Actually... (2, Funny)

HerculesMO (693085) | about 7 years ago | (#20212327)

Inference is best -- hobbits live in the Shire... it was enough for me to chuckle :)

Re:Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212383)

And you're still not getting it. At the end of the books the Shire was decimated. That's the whole point of the joke--saying that Rove is going to go and destroy the Shire. Saying "I know what the Shire" has nothing to do with actually "getting" the joke.

Re:Actually... (0, Flamebait)

megaditto (982598) | about 7 years ago | (#20212435)

OK, OK, we get it now that we don't get it. You can get off your prancing pony already.

Re:Rove Responds (1)

Obiwan Kenobi (32807) | about 7 years ago | (#20212273)

Naturally, you'd have to have read the actual LoTR to get that and not just seen the movies....
Oh man, you actually have to read the books to get that joke?

It's too bad you're posting this on Slashdot. Nobody has ever read those books here.

Re:Rove Responds (1)

Himring (646324) | about 7 years ago | (#20212371)

You musta missed #20212131....

Absolute (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211837)

"Absolute power corrupts absolutly."

Captain Kirk quoting Santayana.

Stardate 2305.4

Re:Absolute (2, Funny)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | about 7 years ago | (#20212137)

Power corrupts. Powerpoint corrupts absolutely.

Actually 1st Baron Acton, and a misquote (1)

Flying pig (925874) | about 7 years ago | (#20212295)

"All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

More enlightening.

spend more time with what? (1, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 years ago | (#20211839)

satan HAS a family?

seriously, that's the most transparent excuse in modern politics. when you are disgraced, you leave and tell the world 'its time to spend more time with my family.'

bollocks.

but at any rate, the damage has already been done. who knows how long we'll be 'paying' for the effect this bastard left on the world. yes, the world - he affect way more than just the US, of course.

what an evil evil man. one of the worst of the last 50 years, if I may be so bold.

Rove known in gay circles as "Miss Piggy"! (-1, Troll)

SimHacker (180785) | about 7 years ago | (#20211863)

Karl Rove: Known in Gay Circles as 'Miss Piggy' [radicalleft.net]

In Washington's more 'discreet' gay bars Karl Rove is well-known as a frequent visitor. Witty gays have given him the nickname 'Miss Piggy, after the character on 'The Muppets'. Whether this refers to his appearance ['the doughboy'] or his sexual preferences is open to speculation.

KARL ROVE & THE GAY REPUBLICAN MAFIA

The Gay Republican Mafia is evidently in control of the Party, even as they spin hard to avoid the obvious questions. How did so many closeted "conservative" gay men wind up in the upper echelons of the GOP? Should the GOP be called the Gay Old Party now?

With gay RNC chairman Ken Mehlman and the latest outing of fake reporter Jeff Gannon, a GOPUSA/ Talon News shill, the issue of Karl Rove has come out as well, so to speak.

"The thing I never understood about Karl Rove," writes Al Martin, author of The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider, "is that he's not married, and I used to know this guy in the mid-1980s.

He doesn't look all that much different now than he did 20 years ago. But here's a guy that looks like a cross between Humpty Dumpty and the Pillsbury Doughboy. I never saw him with a woman. He was never friendly with any women and never seemed to have any girlfriends or go out on a date or anything.

Martin continues his recollections -- "Karl would always hang around at the Rooftop Bar at the Mayflower, which is directly across the street from the White House where all the DOJ pretty boys, as they used to call them, would go after work for a drink.

And that's always where Karl was...It's odd that this guy has never married. He's a bachelor. Usually in Bushonian circles, particularly when you're close to the religious right, which Karl is and raises money from them, it's almost obligatory that you be married and have kids.

In his column called "The Fairy Godmother Rules: Karl Rove and the Gay Republican Mafia," political analyst Al Martin examines the confluence of high ranking gay Republicans and their control of the Republican Party, especially when the Religious Right must be aware of this irony, as they continue to support the Bush-Cheney Regime.

"Fake journalist Jeff Gannon was outed last week," Martin writes. "'Jeff Gannon' is not his real name, yet he was able to get inside the White house press pool. How's that for 'security'? Being a fake Bushonian journalist shill means never having to say you're sorry.

"And so we have another story of another gay Republican so-called journalist, just like Armstrong Williams. Gannon, who real name is J.D. Guckert, finally admitted that Gannon wasn't his real name and that Talon News Service was nothing more than a shill for another Bush front called GOPUSA."

What's important about all this is that it was nothing more than a shill organization for GeorgeBush.com, which is financed from a Texas-based Republican Christian group associated with Karl Rove.

We are finally learning how extensive this is now. He said that there are hundreds of bogus news services and bogus newsletters that have been organized around GeorgeBush.com.

In fact, he also noted how well coordinated Karl Rove (now the new Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove) has gotten it so there is now an entire industry to subvert news and to spin it.

The story gets even more intriguing when it becomes clear that "the White House credentialized fake news reporter Jeff Gannon from fake news agency Talon News and this was cited by the Washington Post as having the only access to the internal CIA memo that names Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a covert agent. Gannon referred to the memo, to which no other news outlet had access, according to the Post."

Supposedly Gannon has also been subpoenaed by the Federal Grand Jury looking into the Plame outing, though Gannon himself denies it.

Will there be a special investigation of Karl Rove and "Jeff Gannon" regarding the "outing" of CIA agent Valerie Plame? [Radio Left]

ROVE MAKES A PASS AT ME

I'm in the hallway at Madison Square Garden leading out from Radio Row through the filing center to the escalator which leads into the convention. Karl Rove just passed me. He looked down on me smiling.

It was the friendly smile of a man trying to make contact, not so disimilar from the men who used to promise me things when I was a stripper ten years ago in Chicago. The Jons would say things like, "What do you want to do? Are you an actor? I can help you. I know an agent."

That's the way they were, always making promises they had no intention of keeping, anything to get their fingers dirty. "Come over," they would say. "I have a limosine out front. I'll send the maid home." Then they would stuff a dollar bill in your underwear as if they were big spenders.

Anyway, that's how Karl Rove looked at me and when I looked up the second time and he was still looking at me he said, "I like your Mac." He said.

"That's a nice computer." He didn't nod, just smiled, his head didn't so much turn as swivel. It was just like that. He was being sincere.

He was trying to connect. There was a large contingency following behind him and he slowed down just enough, never losing that sanguine smile, and then whammo, he was off.

You can say what you want about truth and speculation and you can interpret your own meaning from the things that happen inside Madison Square Garden this week. But what I'm saying is true. There were witnesses.

Intent, like predicting the weather, is open for debate. But I saw what I saw. It's been twelve years since I pulled on a g-string and danced on a lit box in one of the clubs on Clark Street, but I've still got it. And I know exactly what Rove was trying to do. [The Believer]

Re:Rove known in gay circles as "Miss Piggy"! (1)

kevin_conaway (585204) | about 7 years ago | (#20212305)

"The thing I never understood about Karl Rove," writes Al Martin, author of The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider, "is that he's not married, and I used to know this guy in the mid-1980s. He doesn't look all that much different now than he did 20 years ago. But here's a guy that looks like a cross between Humpty Dumpty and the Pillsbury Doughboy. I never saw him with a woman. He was never friendly with any women and never seemed to have any girlfriends or go out on a date or anything.

Except that he has been married since 1986 and has a son. [wikipedia.org]

Rove gone == good or bad? (2, Interesting)

amigabill (146897) | about 7 years ago | (#20211877)

I'm not sure if I should rejoice or freak out. I'm glad to see him out of there, as I'd like to see the whole administration gone. But at the same time, while I'm not a mega-tinfoil-hat kind of guy, I do wonder if he's leaving because he's now completed whatever he wanted to do there, and how afraid should I be of whatever that might be.

Trade off (5, Insightful)

DarkAudit (975261) | about 7 years ago | (#20211879)

Yes, he's leaving the White House, but that in no way means he's done working *with* the White House and the Republican Party. All it really means is that he'll be free of the restrictions on doing political work out of a government office.

Then again, if or when it hits the fan, any work he may have done after that date would not have the protection of his White house job or "Executive Privilege".

In any event, expect the dirty tricks to continue as usual.

Re:Trade off (1)

clem (5683) | about 7 years ago | (#20212437)

My first thought when I read the headline was, "I wonder who's campaign he's running now?"

Farewell, Turd Blossom. (-1, Troll)

bellers (254327) | about 7 years ago | (#20211883)

I hope you get hit by a fucking bus.

That is all.

Re:Farewell, Turd Blossom. (-1, Offtopic)

theolein (316044) | about 7 years ago | (#20212417)

I'm sorry you got modded down, because your post has a certain poetic elegance to it.

How much do you want to bet (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 7 years ago | (#20211885)

Bush awards him a "Presidential medal of Freedom" or some other insanely high accolade that he is undeserving of as a final parting shot before he leaves in 2009? I mean come on, if Brownie is doing a "heck of job", just imagine what Bush must think of Turd Blossom.

I think... (1)

ZonkerWilliam (953437) | about 7 years ago | (#20211905)

Like so many people who've seen "discussions" such as the one's on the popular humph, Digg, I think the author was just wanting an intellectual debate and discussion without it degrading into what at best could be "group think" at it's worst. I can't blame him, the slashdot community has always been more mature in it's discussions, even if an article was made lite of.

He's not resigning, he's jumping ship (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20211909)

The election is coming, just like 2006 when he 'resigned' to go help the GOP dirty tricks campaigns, he's 'resigning' to help one of the candidates smear the others during the primaries.

I am sure many others have noticed this... (4, Insightful)

Noryungi (70322) | about 7 years ago | (#20211919)

But what is it with Republicans (and also Democrats) quitting "to spend more time with their families"?

I mean, this simple sentence has practically become equivalent with "I need to resign in a hurry, to organize my legal defense", for Pete's sake!

So, let's start the rumor mill: why is Karl Rove really resigning?
  • Because he wants to go work for one of the Republican candidates, like Giuliani.
  • Because he has been offered a nice cushy position at a Republican think-tank, like the American Enterprise Institute.
  • Because he has heard some MSM journalist has finally done his/her job and was about to blow the whistle on (insert nefarious activity here).
  • Because it's time to cash in his Halliburton/Carlyle Group options and retire.
  • Because Congress is, slowly but surely, getting closer and closer to him in a gazillion different scandals.
  • Because he has found his true calling: ministering to the lost souls at Slashdot and other "liberal" blogs to bring them back to Jesus.


Any ideas?

Re:I am sure many others have noticed this... (1)

furball (2853) | about 7 years ago | (#20212023)

But what is it with Republicans (and also Democrats) quitting "to spend more time with their families"?


You're young. I can tell this from the fact that you don't get it. Or at the very least, I hope you're young. If you're older and have a family of your own and don't understand why this happens, I feel really bad for you.

But let me try to explain it to you. All human beings have a need to be loved and wanted. The people that will always love you and want you regardless of what you've done will be your family first and foremost. Most people fall into the following pattern:

  • Build a family.
  • Recognize that family is important.
  • Desire time to spend time with family.
  • Recognize that the ability to spend time with family doesn't exist because of obligations to build a secure future of self and the family.
  • Create a career. Spend a shit ton of hours working to secure financial future.
  • Fast forward 20 years or so.
  • Recognize that by creating a family, you've successfully lost sight of the reason you wanted a career in the first place: to spend time with the family.
  • Walk away from the career to spend time with the family.

Re:I am sure many others have noticed this... (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 7 years ago | (#20212257)

You, furball, completely missed the point. The point isn't about spending time with ones family, the OP was questioning why that phrase is always used.

For the OP, "spending time with their families" is a generic, catch-all phrased used in political circles when one wants out but doesn't want to reveal the real reason behind ones departure.

In Rove's case, Congressional inquiries are (finally) getting around to having Rove deposed and under oath. The White House doesn't want that and so Rove, last year, decided before things got too hot, to jump ship with Bushs' blessing.

Rove will still be working with GOP so this phrase does not apply him in the literal sense. Guaranteed if you look at who he goes to work for next, his days will be just as long as they are now.

Which will pretty much confirm the lie behind "spending time with my family".

Re:I am sure many others have noticed this... (1)

furball (2853) | about 7 years ago | (#20212313)

No, you completely missed my point.

Family is the last place you go to. When someone goes to family, it means they've run out of reasons. It is not a generic catch-all phrase used in political circles. It says a lot about what's going. You just don't get it because you've never gone back to family before so you never understand why it's used. To you, it's still an excuse.

Go back to your family.

Re:I am sure many others have noticed this... (4, Funny)

rbanffy (584143) | about 7 years ago | (#20212043)

Obviously he regards his lawyers as family.

That's not surprising at all.

the line (1)

cosmocain (1060326) | about 7 years ago | (#20211927)

to spend more time with his family translated:

he fucked up completely but we're not mad enough (at him and/or otherwise it would cost our own ass) to let the shit hit the public fan. so wave goodbye in a friendly matter and hopefully everybody forgets about it real soon.

Re:the line (1)

yipper (159272) | about 7 years ago | (#20212101)


Being a political consultant and advisor it was his job to help someone
get elected.

That part he did very well.

implications for boths sides (5, Insightful)

jaldot (997119) | about 7 years ago | (#20211951)

One of the best political campaign advisers in the history of politics, has been released into the wild to prepare for next year's elections. In other words, this story has implications for both sides of the political aisle and it's not simply a 'ding dong witch is dead' deal.

Re:implications for boths sides (1)

linguizic (806996) | about 7 years ago | (#20212235)

Exactly, this guy is still trying to advance a permanent Republican domination over the American political scene. He probably won't be working for a specific candidate publicly, but you can bet your your ass that he will be there behind the scenes. It will be obvious who he's working for soon though, as we can expect one or more Republican primary candidates to get swiftboated sometime soon. My guess is that the first to get it will be Giuliani, or possibly Romney.

Re:implications for boths sides (1)

hercubus (755805) | about 7 years ago | (#20212315)

Too true, Mr. Rove is not going to retire to farming nor is he going to perp-walk off to prison.

And I wonder, can he be beaten? Is America going to have another Republican president?

The terrorists are still out there you know, and you're not going to trust some sissy Democrat or even, horrors, a _woman_ to keep you safe, are you? Why heck, did you know that Osama, err, that Obama guy even went to a Muslim school?

Get your funky SPIN on MC Rove!

Tag for the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212037)

I said "happyhappyjoyjoy" ;-)

Personally..... (1)

Stanislav_J (947290) | about 7 years ago | (#20212049)

I would rather have seen him dragged out of the White House in chains and prison stripes. But I'll accept this...

BTW, when is someone going to come up with a more original exit excuse than the standard "to spend more time with my family?"

Well here goes (3, Informative)

phoenixwade (997892) | about 7 years ago | (#20212083)

To start - I'm a libertarian, I'm very opposed to the current administrations handiling of a number of items, not the least of which is the impinging of my right to privacy, the handling of the "War on Terror", and getting us into a war in Iraq that I still fail to see how it benefits the US citizen. I have taken a bit of criticism from my friends by asking that question, but my response is and has been "When you spend US solders lives and Billions of US dollars, it seems to me that there should be an answer to the 'What did we purchase?' question."

That said, Karl Rove's handling of the 2000 presidential election was excellent, but the 2004 presidential election was masterful. Granted, the democrats helped some (and appear to be helping again now, for that matter), but there is no way Bush would have been re-elected without his help. In any normal situation the incompetency of any of those three items would have cost Bush the 2004 elections. I'm kind of sorry to see him go, regardless of my opinion of the administrations polices, Karl Rove is a master of politics and for good or for badad, I think he should have stuck around to see it though, there is only another 18 months in the administration, after all, and I'm sure he's on the short list of blanket pardons that Bush is going to write as he exits his term in office.

Besides that, who is left for the media to target? Dick? He is already a target, and doesn't care. He has so much "clout" in Washington that he can, and does, ignore everyone and do his own thing.

we didn't get any oil? SAY IT AIN'T SO! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212241)

"When you spend US solders lives and Billions of US dollars, it seems to me that there should be an answer to the 'What did we purchase?' question."
Haven't you been reading slashdot? It was a war for oil! Wait, we didn't get any oil you say? We aren't occupying Irag and stealing oil from its citizens? .... Then what are all these people talking about?

All crackpots you say? ... oh. Well someone should tell them. Mod this man +1!

Re:Well here goes (2, Insightful)

Tony (765) | about 7 years ago | (#20212297)

That said, Karl Rove's handling of the 2000 presidential election was excellent...

If Rove's tactics are considered "excellent," no wonder the political scene in the US is so fucked up. Rove successfully manipulated public opinion, yes, but he did so with innuendo, lies, and manipulation. I'm not saying Presidential campaigns are known for their insightful debate and mutual respect, but Rove brought it all to a whole new level.

His handling of the 2004 election might've been "masterful," in the same way that a monkey with particularly accurate aim is masterful at shit-flinging.

Come to think of it, that's a rather apt analogy.

Rove Resigns (1)

bigdaddyhame (623739) | about 7 years ago | (#20212159)

Mission Accomplished.

Gunslinger Karl (0, Troll)

spankey51 (804888) | about 7 years ago | (#20212171)

"Rove said the first thing he plans to do after leaving the White House is "go dove hunting in West Texas with family and friends..."

Oooh cool! If he brings along Cheney, they could shoot his friends AND family in the face!!!

Seriously though... Who the hell shoots doves??? Isn't that like drowning babies?

Re:Gunslinger Karl (4, Funny)

Sesticulus (544932) | about 7 years ago | (#20212293)

Obviously you've never tasted dove. It's delicious, tastes almost like kitten.

This is just to provide a buffer (1)

acvh (120205) | about 7 years ago | (#20212245)

He'll be back, as the campaign manager for whoever is annointed as the Bush/Cheney successor. Resigning now just lets him rest up and put some theoretical distance between him and the administration.

My take (4, Insightful)

Orange Crush (934731) | about 7 years ago | (#20212267)

1.) K, it's not exactly tech news, but I still think it's very relevant to us news-reading nerds. Love or hate, discussions about this administration fueled a great deal of the web 2.0/blog explosion. Granted, that would've happened regardless of who was in the white house, but U.S. politics has had its nose in lots of issues directly related to technology. It's also correctly filed under "politics" so I don't have a problem with it.

2.) Love him or hate him, Rove is a brilliant and cunning political strategist. His president cannot be re-elected and is effectively a lame duck. Bush will wane in the public mind, take lots of vacations, and shoo away congressional investigations like irritating flies for his remaining term--he really doesn't need Rove anymore and would prefer he go off and do what he's proven himself so good at--campaigning for the Republican party in what will doubtlessly be a very difficult upcoming election. I doubt Rove will jump in head first as an official political advisor to anyone anytime soon, but I also doubt he'll be able to resist helping out in an unofficial capacity--it's what he does best.

3.) The "Miss Piggy / Gay bar" bit is just silly. Even if he was gay (which I doubt) he's far too clever to fall into a trap remotely like that. Let me know when there's a vaguely credible source for that goofy rumor and maybe I'll bother to give it more thought.

Voter Caging (2, Interesting)

Kirgin (983046) | about 7 years ago | (#20212279)

I haven't heard much on the voter caging scandal. If anything is an abuse of data mining its the 3 million or so registered voters denied their rights. The Attorney Generals, the resignation of his assistant and now his resignation are probably all smokescreens for the continued practice of challenging minority votes.

An observation (1)

thanksforthecrabs (1037698) | about 7 years ago | (#20212343)

/. people seem very lonely...and paranoid.

Nobody should ever have that much power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20212425)

Why do we continue to allow individual persons to have such extreme power over millions (or arguably billions) of people?

Why do we insist on thinking that we need to have a handful of people making all the decisions for everyone?

That's the way all animals have always done it, but... we have computers now. And the internet. We are now free to govern ourselves:
http://www.metagovernment.org/ [metagovernment.org]

Please stop bowing down to people like Karl Rove and start acting like a responsible human being!
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