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Olympic Committee Chooses XP Over Vista

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the if-it's-not-as-broken dept.

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Vinit writes "The popularity of Windows XP is still making things difficult for Vista. Now Vista has again suffered a major setback, with Lenovo (Olympic 2008' official sponsor) installing XP on it's machines to run the Olympic Games' vital PC-related tasks. Vista will only be used in internet lounges set up for athletes to use during the games."

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283 comments

Hmm (4, Insightful)

okinawa_hdr (1062664) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234735)

At what point does an OS mature enough that it becomes "enough for general use"? Maybe XP is that mark.

Re:Hmm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234745)

A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I
had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-American
football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths.
I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he
washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and
married - and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with
him.

                As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated,
hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still
warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the
shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left
behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It
apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat,
stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd
- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.

                I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and
wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd
always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little
clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass
and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of
devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done
it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound
turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy
and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's
handsomest young stud.

                Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both
hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled
like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the
consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit
without the benefit of a digestive tract?

                I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it
smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.

                I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into
my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock,
beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and
bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet
flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had
chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed
I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I
soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd
passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily,
sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My
only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down
with his piss.

                I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the
cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more
delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with
the rich bitterness of shit.

                Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But
then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There
was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished
them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my
briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the
shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever
unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an
unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

                I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using
them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my
mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit
trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six
orgasms in the process.

                I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out
of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could,
and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

congratulations (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235117)

After almost 2 years of browsing at -1, you have single handedly managed to get me to raise my threshold to 0.

Congratulations.

Re:Hmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235143)

Hey - you insensitive clod - that was my shit!

Re:Hmm (2, Interesting)

an.echte.trilingue (1063180) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234779)

I don't see this as a particular setback. It's just a good business decision: stable and tested over flashy and new. If they were going to go with Linux, they would probably choose etch over lenny.

Don't worry, Vista will supplant XP over time.

Re:Hmm (2, Informative)

GiMP (10923) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234821)

Linux, they would probably choose etch over lenny.


Except even Etch isn't that old. Infact, as a "stable release" it is *very new*. I only upgraded a box from Woody (to etch) only... yesterday.

Re:Hmm (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234901)

I'd rather have a woody.

Re:Hmm (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235541)

I don't see this as a particular setback. It's just a good business decision: stable and tested over flashy and new. If they were going to go with Linux, they would probably choose etch over lenny.

Don't worry, Vista will supplant XP over time.

Except using WinXP is more like using Woody (if you consider XP to be a 2001 OS), or at most Sarge (if you consider XP SP2 to be a 2005 OS).

Re:Hmm (4, Funny)

MrMr (219533) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234837)

When it's ready for the desktop.

Re:Hmm (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234979)

Either way, MSFT gets paid. They have plenty of time to sort out Vista.

F1r57 p057 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234737)

Daddy would you like some sausage?

Re:F1r57 p057 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234749)

EPIC FAILURE

Not surprising (0, Troll)

therufus (677843) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234741)

No point retraining the support people on Vista when I'm sure all the officials and athletes are still using XP.

And.... First post!

Re:Not surprising (0, Offtopic)

okinawa_hdr (1062664) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234777)

This is off-topic, but what I find amazing is that we BOTH posted the first post at exactly: Wednesday August 15, @07:56AM

We have no life, but we can embrace this together!

Re:Not surprising (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234915)

Yes, you two reloaded and reloaded and had just sixty seconds to get the first post in during the same minute. Truly, an amazing achievement.

Your parents must be very proud.

Re:Not surprising (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234987)

What, the poor troll who also posted in that minute doesn't get a mention?
Won't somebody thing of the trolls?!

Re:Not surprising (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234801)

I like your signature:

You moved your mouse. Please restart Windows for changes to take effect.

I might make mine:

You moved your mouse. Please recompile your Linux kernel and modules for changes to take effect.

Re:Not surprising (-1, Troll)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235017)

"You moved your mouse. Accept or Deny?"

Re:Not surprising (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235149)

And couple that with vista being a full crock o' crap...

It is a natural decision. (4, Informative)

rolfc (842110) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234755)

My employer took the decision to migrate from win2k to XP, and we will roll it out this fall. Vista was proposed but we do not consider it ready for use.

Re:It is a natural decision. (2, Interesting)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235237)

I just started a new job and they gave me an HP laptop, which, when opened, had a nice shiny Vista logo on it. Horrified, I turned it on, only to see the reassuring opening stating I was running XP Professional. I breathed a very heavy sigh of relief. Vista is not making it into general use because companies have spent years getting all their systems converted to XP and now want to get some mileage out of it before they switch. Besides, no one wants to risk their IT department on it until they've seen what it does -- they'd rather have someone else take the risk and stand back and watch.

Re:It is a natural decision. (1, Insightful)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235409)

Vista is plenty ready for use. It's your employer that apparently isn't ready for it.

Just because you don't know what's different in Vista, what changes you need to make, etc, doesn't mean it's the operating systems' fault.

If you spent 4 hours with it, you'd say "This is actually better for our corporate systems. Let's move to Vista instead."

I don't love Microsoft of Windows any more then the next guy, but c'mon, Vista isn't as major of a change as people make it out to be. Maybe they changed all this crap under the hood? Who cares. Most of that doesn't affect anything. It's not like switching from Windows 2000 to Linux or something.

It's Probably Just (5, Insightful)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234769)

THe specialist software that it runs not yet being rewritten for vista- I'm sure it'd work on vista, but in an international event like this you really don't want to get things misbehaving or acting just slightly differently. Of course in 4 years time vista will be standard and they'll be no question of using anything else- or possibly using the next version of Windows.

Re:It's Probably Just (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234905)

But the /. spin is that Vista is horrible and that even the Olympics isn't using it. The logical reasoning of the software they are using just not having a Vista version makes too much d@mn sense and doesn't bash MS.

And let's put it this way to the person who posted this story, you do realize that the largest sporting committee in the world choses Windows over Linux.

Doesn't that just make you steam, eh?

Re:It's Probably Just (3, Insightful)

dattaway (3088) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235087)

you do realize that the largest sporting committee in the world choses Windows over Linux.

The Olympics is all about product placement and sponsorship. It is a place where the elite can toot their money horn of supremacy.

Linux will NEVER be in the Olympics, unless it can pass the physical and drug tests. Even then, I'm sure the sponsors will find a way to disqualify it. Nothing personal, just business.

Re:It's Probably Just (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235505)

"Of course in 4 years time" is irrevelant as the olympics is a year away

Indeed (2, Insightful)

jayminer (692836) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234771)

Smart choice indeed. I for myself would have chosen Windows XP over Vista, because even though my personal choice is Linux, I will not force anyone on using it, whatsoever. My new laptop (issued by the new company I work) comes with Vista, and making my life a hell. I am going to install Linux on it if it won't hurt any company policy, as all I do is to develop Java applicatons and run some office work.

Re:Indeed (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235115)

Oh brother, another "Vista is horrible" liar.

So what is making Vista "hell" for you? Can you make up something fast.

And I love the "Im gonna install Linux when I get home" BS you tack on at the end. Anything to get those vote totals up, eh?

Re:Indeed (2, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235341)

Oh brother, another "Vista is horrible" liar.

Don't cry, my Microsoft loving friend.

Vista will have a chance to shine in an event [apparelyzed.com] more suited to its capabilities.

Re:Indeed (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235361)

So what is making Vista "hell" for you? Can you make up something fast.
He doesn't have to make up something. Have you ever used a corporate laptop? Oftentimes, companies who need to buy a lot of laptops buy them with as little system memory as possible. It's not at all unusual to come across a brand-new company laptop with only 512 MB or even 256 MB installed in it these days.

Vista has very high memory requirements, even if you aren't using Aero. On a machine with low memory, Vista will crawl, much worse than XP or 2000.

In addition the whole 'Allow' or 'Cancel' thing is a real pain.

Re:Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235385)

I for myself would have chosen Windows XP over Vista, because even though my personal choice is Linux, I will not force anyone on using it, whatsoever.

How is having an employee or client use Linux "force"? Do you not force them to use BIOS, XP, the x86 instruction set? Why not have your hairless-ape clients design and code the system from the boot process?

Xp is ubiquitous.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234773)

I still haven't seen anybody using Vista, I haven't even seen it in real life or used it...

Re:Xp is ubiquitous.. (1)

rolfc (842110) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234941)

I have been using it for almost a year, and in my opinion it's not ready yet.

Not ready for prime time. (3, Informative)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234783)

The popularity of Windows XP is still making things difficult for Vista.

I wouldn't blame the popularity of XP as much as I would blame the god-awfulness of Vista. At our organization, there are so many problems we've identified with Vista on our enterprise that we've declared a moratorium on its rollout...probably until SP1 is released (which, considering how late Vista was to begin with, could take a while).

In the meantime, I now get to blow Vista off all the new systems we purchase and replace it with XP. As if I didn't have enough work to keep me busy...

Re:Not ready for prime time. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234841)

I know you are totally making that whole story up, but indulge us anyway on these "problems" that you've found.

The funny thing is that, assuming that your story is even remotely true, that you've paid MS twice. Once for Vista and again for XP, all the while you're typing this as if you've really stuck to MS by not using Vista.

Re:Not ready for prime time. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234903)

I know you are totally making that whole story up, but indulge us anyway on these "problems" that you've found.

The funny thing is that, assuming that your story is even remotely true, that you've paid MS twice. Once for Vista and again for XP, all the while you're typing this as if you've really stuck to MS by not using Vista.


You haven't the first clue what you're talking about. You can use a license of Vista and install XP without any additional cost, since XP is an older version. You can do the same thing with Office.

Upgrading a large organization costs a bunch of money. Good companies cost benefit these types of things. We did ours and the benefits just weren't there to pay for the massive hardware upgrades we would have to do.

Re:Not ready for prime time. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235051)

Can anyone confirm or deny this? I used to deal with the departmental software licensing, and I know that some licenses specifically allow this. However, there were a few that explicitly disallowed this in their terms. That is, once you upgraded a license, the old one was null and void and you were no longer allowed to legally install the older versions (you were supposed to have destroyed the physical media). What is the official MS stance on this issue? I'm asking in a legalistic "this is strictly what the license says" sense, not what you guys think you can get away with.

Re:Not ready for prime time. (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235177)

I know this is true -- for the longest time I had a license for XP, but ran 2000. All legal... or should I say "all license agreement compliant".

Re:Not ready for prime time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235369)

I'm asking in a legalistic "this is strictly what the license says" sense, not what you guys think you can get away with.

It is what is stated in the MS EULA but that often makes little difference as EULAs are not legally binding (in the UK at least). They have not yet been tested in court (and established British law mostly says EULAs arent valid).

Re:Not ready for prime time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235493)

Really? This is taken directly from the EULAs posted on the MS site. This applies for both the various Home editions, as well as the Business editions of Vista:

13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.

Can you explain how this says exactly the opposite of what you're saying it says?

Re:Not ready for prime time. (1)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235069)

I know you are totally making that whole story up,
And how exactly do you "know" this? I'm interested, since you obviously don't "know" what you think you know.

but indulge us anyway on these "problems" that you've found.
Since you asked so nicely, I'll "indulge" you with two examples.

One: Our Cisco VPN currently has a problem with Kerberos preauthentication. Kerberos preauthentication must be shut off in the domain accounts' properties to allow the domain accounts to authenticate successfully to the Cisco VPN. But Vista requires Kerberos preauthentication to successfully log on to the domain.

Two: We have a home-brewed customer database here that Vista does not play well with. We're trying to use this difficulty to justify spending the money for a real customer database solution, but anyone who's been to those sorts of meetings know how fun that is.

So...enough "indulgement" for you?

The funny thing is that, assuming that your story is even remotely true, that you've paid MS twice. Once for Vista and again for XP, all the while you're typing this as if you've really stuck to MS by not using Vista.
Again, despite your disrespectful tone, I'll respond.

I'm fully aware that we're currently paying for Vista licenses we're not using, and I've made the IT director aware of this as well. If he's not worried about it, neither am I. My responsibility is the smooth running of my location...I'm not involved in the financial aspects.

Re:Not ready for prime time. (3, Funny)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235325)

As if I didn't have enough work to keep me busy...

Apparently not. You still have time to sit around and post on Slashdot... Not that I have any room to talk, I'm just saying...

Re:Not ready for prime time. (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235497)

I now get to blow Vista off all the new systems we purchase and replace it with XP
Eh? Couldn't you order with XP installed?

It Isn't The Popularity of XP (4, Insightful)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234785)

That is making things difficult for Vista. Vista is making things difficult for Vista.

Just about every day there are stories of how it can't do something important, or has some kind of security flaw, or won't work with this or that hardware, or needs even more system resources to even run.

What is making XP "popular" is that it doesn't have the problems Vista does. It is no advantage to XP. It's that Vista has so many faults. This isn't unlike the Microsoft even versions of DOS that sucked too.

MS fighting this (2, Insightful)

high_rolla (1068540) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234787)

And I wonder how hard MS will be trying to persuade them to reconsider. Wouldn't surprise me if in a few weeks time there is another article about how MS gave them a rather nice deal and they decided to reconsider their OS of choice.

Re:MS fighting this (2, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235097)

Why would MS care? They're using Vista on all of the public-facing machines, so it's not like they don't get the publicity.

ha! (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234859)

Vista = pwnd! And for good reason too. I'm sure the next time the Olympic Games roll around, Vista will have had all the bugs worked-out of it. So pwnd for the time being...

Either way, Linux loses (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235557)

Suprised I haven't seen this pointed out yet, while everyone is so happy to see Vista not picked for the job, neither was Linux. So Microsoft wins anyways.

Learn to spell "its". (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234877)

Spelling matters.

Its not so difficult (0, Offtopic)

orzetto (545509) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234893)

... installing XP on it's machines...

Why is it so difficult to get?

  • It's: the apostrophe indicates something is missing: he's (he is), she's (she is), it's (it is).
  • Its: this is the possessive, since possessive do not have apostrophes: his, her(s), its.

Really, I have never lived in an English-speaking country, but I am amazed at how bad supposedly native people spell. An orthographic reform will never be too early, IMHO.

Yeah, yeah, you can mod down the grammar Nazi now.

Re:Its not so difficult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234967)

Because 'it' is a weird exception. For pretty much everything else the possessive DOES have an apostrophe.

Bob's computer.
Eve's bicycle.
The dog's bone.
The cat chased its tail.

Re:Its not so difficult (3, Interesting)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235209)

'fraid not.

If you look at old maps and the like you can see the origin of the possessive form of nouns.

For example, off the South East coast of Ireland is an area called St George's Channel (named presumably by the English after their lightweight pseudo-saint) - but if you look at older maps you will see it marked as 'St George his Channel' meaning the channel of Saint George. Shorten that and you end up with St George's Channel.

Likewise Bob his computer. The dog its bone etc. Obviously there's a problem with Eve - but I presume this is because she wouldn't have been entitled to own anything at the time this ended up in the language.

So I think the GP is correct - though I'm sure some grammar super-Nazi will pull me up on this.

Re:Its not so difficult (1)

Elliot_Lin (972399) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235473)

Why is George a 'lightweight pseudo-saint' now?

Re:Its not so difficult (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235307)

...except the other possessive pronouns.

His computer.
Her bicycle.
Its bone.

Not "hi's computer". Do you ever see that mistake?

So yes, it is a bit weird (especially because it's the only such pronoun with just an 's' tacked onto the non-possessive form, and "it's" is a valid word), but not quite as weird as you portray.

Re:Its not so difficult (0)

Chaos Whistler (1142971) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235015)

I've been reading Slashdot about 4 years, and I've never felt the need to post until now. I just thought you should know that this is not a spelling problem, it's a grammar problem. It's true that many people have some problems with written language, but nobody is quite perfect, as you've shown.

Re:Its not so difficult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235207)

After reading (and re-reading) your initial post I would like to welcome you to the forum. Having gotten *that* out of the way, I would request that you please refrain from posting and go back to lurking; you clearly have nothing of value to contribute. I wish you the best of luck in your future endevours. Jack hole.

Re:Its not so difficult (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235055)

Why is this thread title named "Its not so difficult" instead of "It's not so difficult"?

It really isn't that difficult. Don't have a go at other people for something you can't get right yourself, and as someone said before, it's not a spelling problem but a grammar problem.

Re:Its not so difficult (2, Insightful)

StressedEd (308123) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235131)

Why is this thread title named "Its not so difficult" instead of "It's not so difficult"?

I'd love to moderate this up as "Funny", but I can't.

Re:Its not so difficult (4, Funny)

mixnblend (1002943) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235075)

Yeah, yeah, you may mod down the grammar Nazi now.
fixed.

Re:Its not so difficult (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235099)

Why is it so difficult to get?

I ask the same thing: why is it so difficult to get, they just don't care.

Maybe the right question is: if they fixed it, would it bring more banner impressions.

Re:Its not so difficult (0, Offtopic)

pev (2186) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235255)

I think there's a critical observation to note - these days there's a clear separation between "American English" and "English English". In American English it's a kind of lazier language with many more complicated rules dropped and things shortened or slackened. That doesn't necessarily make it wrong, just a different parallel evolution. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely dropped the apostrophe completely one day as it would be easier. At the end of the day, people know what you mean with or without it so why use it in the first place?

Still that still doesn't excuse American flight attendants use of the word "de-plane". Really, who thought of such a ridiculous and superfluous word?!

~Pev

Poor language is simply poor education (1)

cyber.sammy (1008285) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235477)

Arrrr.. Rubbish.

"American English" does not exist as you describe. It is not some type of evolution of the language. This is simply a lack of education about the language. There is no excuse.

(Of course an an Australian, I really detest of lot the American changes to the language; for instance 'Customize' instead of 'Customise'. So I am not exactly a neutral party)

~cs

Re:Its not so difficult (0)

jkrise (535370) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235267)

Why is it so difficult to get?
It's: the apostrophe indicates something is missing: he's (he is), she's (she is), it's (it is).
Its: this is the possessive, since possessive do not have apostrophes: his, her(s), its.


I call bullshit. The first use of the apostrophe is the possessive case. Ex:
John's ball
Joe's socks
Olympic committee's machines
Microsoft's lousy Vista

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_a post.html [purdue.edu]

In the latter 2 examples, when "It" is used to refer to the Olympic Committee or Microsoft, then "It's" becomes the possessive case.
Ex: The Olympic Committee is looking fot relaible computers. It's choice is the Lenoveo brand.
Microsft makes lousy operating systems. It's recent Vista bombed at most customer locations.

It's perfectly okay to use "it's" to signal possession.

Mod parent down... (was Re:Its not so difficult) (2, Informative)

Angstroem (692547) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235419)

"http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_ a post.html"
In the latter 2 examples, when "It" is used to refer to the Olympic Committee or Microsoft, then "It's" becomes the possessive case.

You obviously didn't scroll down to the part of the page where it clearly says:

Don't use apostrophes for possessive pronouns or for noun plurals.

It's perfectly okay to use "it's" to signal possession.

No, it's not. Just read the very page you liked to refer. Or just ask your English Grammar teacher if there's a money-back-guarantee regarding his (no, not his') or her (no, also not her's) lessons.

Re:Its not so difficult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235431)

It's perfectly okay to use "it's" to signal possession.

Dude, what the hell are you smoking? The web site YOU referenced says it's not OK on the 6th line:

Apostrophes are NOT used for possessive pronouns or for noun plurals, including acronyms.

Re:Its not so difficult (1)

beanyk (230597) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235435)


I call bullshit. The first use of the apostrophe is the possessive case. ...

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_a [purdue.edu] post.html ...

It's perfectly okay to use "it's" to signal possession.


Did you even read the article you linked to? They specifically say that nouns (like Microsoft and committee) use an apostrophe for possession, and pronouns (like it) don't. "It's" means exactly one thing: "it is".

Re:Its not so difficult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235447)

It's perfectly okay to use "it's" to signal possession.


Apologies for the anonymous post, but no it bloody well isn't perfectly okay. Your first use of 'It's' in that statement is the correct usage. Reread the link you posted, it tells you quite clearly there what the difference between 'it's' and 'its' is.

Re:Its not so difficult (1)

dctoastman (995251) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235527)

It's perfectly okay to use "it's" to signal possession.

Not according to the link you posted.

Re:Its not so difficult (2, Informative)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235549)

Hey, your link makes it look like you know what you're talking about. If you've got a Purdue English page backing you up, you must be right.

Except...what's this?

Don't use apostrophes for possessive pronouns or for noun plurals.

Apostrophes should not be used with possessive pronouns because possessive pronouns already show possession -- they don't need an apostrophe. His, her, its, my, yours, ours are all possessive pronouns.
Next time try reading your own links.

It's funny (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20234907)

Yes, funny how all those anti-Vista stories on Slashdot now portray Windows XP as a popular OS that's loved by everyone. Before Vista, it was portrayed as pretty much the most hated system on the planet.

Re:It's funny (3, Insightful)

Skater (41976) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234933)

No, people hate XP, too. They just hate it less than they hate Vista, and given only those two options, they would rather use XP.

Shades of gray, not black and white.

Also, different people posting means different opinions, etc. There are over a million accounts here now.

Did XP suck this bad? (2, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235315)

I don't remember the transition from 2000 to XP being this difficult. There were a few bumps, the usual driver follies but nothing like the problems plaguing Vista. I don't remember companies going with 2000 because XP caused so many problems.

If memory serves the transition from 2K to XP was actually pleasant...at least by comparison.

Having said that I don't doubt MSFT will get Vista straightened out. My beef with MSFT products is not with the quality (although some of you could argue that quite compellingly). To me it's always been about value. Not whether it works but if it's worth the money you're paying. Right now, for Vista, that answer is "no" for a lot of people.

Re:Did XP suck this bad? (3, Insightful)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235571)

I don't remember the transition from 2000 to XP being this difficult. There were a few bumps, the usual driver follies but nothing like the problems plaguing Vista. I don't remember companies going with 2000 because XP caused so many problems.

Most individuals and smaller companies went directly from Windows 98 or ME to Windows XP.

Re:It's funny (1)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234939)

It's the lesser of all devils.

Re:It's funny (1)

tacet (1142479) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234989)

it would be a little mess, training all those people to use linux.
and think what if some of them fail using it in the event.

and if choice is XP or Vista... i prefer XP. /excuse my english

Doesn't make a difference (2, Interesting)

mrjb (547783) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234943)

The truth is that in the end it is still a choice between MS and MS.

The same happens with detergents- that's why Unilever and Proctor&Gamble produce a multitude of detergents. If a sufficiently large group of people have a choice between 3 detergents of the same price & quality, and 2 are Unilever, it is likely that around 2/3 of the sold detergent will be Unilever.

In this case, anything non-MS was out of the picture, so why would they complain?

Is anybody surprised? (5, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234951)

Lenevo is choosing to go with an older, well-established OS that's tried and tested for the "mission critical" stuff rather than a newer, less tested one. So what?

Is anybody surprised at that? Would you do things differently?

When you have to look after everything from press accreditation to publishing results, from scheduling to putting up the correct names of competitors, and doing it all in a multitude of languages and to the tightest of schedules, what would Windows Vista bring to the party that Windows XP wouldn't?

To use a car analogy, Windows XP has been around the block, been put through its paces, had its engine tuned and is humming nicely, whilst Windows Vista has barely had more than its tyres kicked in the dealer's forecourt. If you were taking a 5,000 mile road trip across a continent, which would you go with?

Why anybody would be surprised at this decision, or even see it as a failing of Windows Vista, is beyond me. If you're going to go with a Microsoft OS, then common sense makes Windows XP the obvious choice.

Re:Is anybody surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235129)

"To use a car analogy, Windows XP has been around the block, been put through its paces, had its engine tuned and is humming nicely, whilst Windows Vista has barely had more than its tyres kicked in the dealer's forecourt. If you were taking a 5,000 mile road trip across a continent, which would you go with?"

What color is the car?

In somewhat related news... (4, Informative)

Idaho (12907) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234961)

The dutch equivalent of "the consumerist" (de consumentenbond) recently started a program where consumers can send in their Vista-related problems, which they are going to urge Microsoft to fix or ask for money back (or perhaps, to give free copies of XP instead). To quote de consumentenbond [www.nu.nl] (article in dutch, relevant part translated here):

"A power user will be able to solve most of the problems that Vista confronts him with, however the average consumer will run into serious trouble. The [operating] system contains so many mistakes that we want to investigate this in detail."

Furthermore, the article notes that "The consumentenbond dislikes the fact that new computers are delivered with the Vista operating system by default".

Yup, Vista seems to be doing great...

Is the choice for control reasons? (1)

MadRat (774297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20234997)

China has a much better handle on machines running XP than Vista. Perhaps their computer programmers are up to snuff yet on the Vista and cannot hardly get their snoop kits functioning on time for the games. China is one of those countries where every possible control on free speech is in place for when the wrong type of things get said. Its not that China censors all speech, its that as a society in general they cannot allow dissident speech.

Nothing new... (2, Insightful)

TofuMatt (1105351) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235007)

Vista's price, system requirements, and youth make it a less-than-optimal choice for deployment in almost any business setting. What does Vista do for, say, everyone in my office that XP can't? Most people here on PCs run MS Office (we just upgraded to 2003), WordPerfect (and the rest of that suite... gross, but it's still our Government standard), IE, and FileMaker Pro. We already have images setup for XP (just load it onto the HD and we're done), and it means that the computers that aren't so great here can still be useful to people who are just using it for standard office work. It's a new OS, and it's received a bunch of notoriety for being a pain to use and upgrade from. I'm not a crazy Vista hater (there *are* lots of problems with it, and some aren't just bugs -- they're serious OS flaws), but I doubt I could think of five reasons for most people to upgrade to Vista. I upgraded my PC Laptop to Vista Ultimate and about two months later went back to XP Pro. I didn't hate it, per se, but I just didn't feel like I had gained anything by having it (and it hogging over 400MB of RAM at idle). And I certainly lost the ability to use a handful of apps I like. I'm sure we'll see Vista adoption, but at least not until SP1 arrives. There just aren't real reasons to upgrade yet.

My 1st BSOD (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235021)

While upgrading my Catalyst driver from 7.7 to 7.8 I had my first BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death) on Windows Vista Ultimate Eng OEM (64-bit), so yes i understand their worries.

Re:My 1st BSOD (1)

bazorg (911295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235073)

and was your reaction: "Wow!"?

Re:My 1st BSOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235535)

So how is this Vista's fault that you driver didnt work?

It's amazing that people that pretend to know so much about computers would blame the OS when their driver caused the problems.

Is this the normal thinking on /.?

its not it's (0, Offtopic)

BadERA (107121) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235029)

its not it's

its not it is

get it?

got it?

goooooooooood.

Reality check time for Linux fans. (2, Interesting)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235041)

If a company with that much cash at hand and a willingness to break rules and fight a no holds barred battle finds it this difficult to dislodge XP from the desktop, Linux fans, we have a much more formidable task ahead. When people are asking, "Will 2009 be the Year of Vista?", it is difficult to take the talk about "the year of Linux Desktop" seriously.

I don't know what would be a reasonable expectation for Linux market share at consumer level in the year 2010. 3%? 6%? 12%?

Don't forget... (1)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235077)

It's not the winning but the taking part that counts.

Well done Vista - good effort.

Re:Don't forget... (1)

Goffee71 (628501) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235167)

I think Dick Pound (best name ever) and the World Anti-Doping Agency were against letting Vista into the Olympics after hearing you needed a PC on steroids to run it.

But who does use it...? (1)

Renaissance 2K (773059) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235095)

Just out of curiosity, does Microsoft even use Windows Vista at their offices? I have yet to hear of any place that made the upgrade. Or survived the upgrade, at least.

Actually, what the hell am I saying? They probably use Linux in Redmond. Or they just bought a bunch of iMacs.

vista can still get into the olympics... (3, Funny)

ArcadeX (866171) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235145)

the special olympics...

It makes sence (1)

excelsior_gr (969383) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235173)

Use XP where hardware compatibility and "out of the box" reliability is needed.
Use Vista where a nifty & shiny GUI will make a good impression.

Major setback (4, Insightful)

Reckless Visionary (323969) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235185)

"a major setback"

Come on, really? Complete sensationalist bullshit. Why don't we keep it up and refer to these meaningless events as "the final nail in the coffin" or ones that "spell doom" or "darken the horizon" for Vista. In case you hadn't noticed, the money's all going to the same place.

kinda lame (2, Interesting)

wwmedia (950346) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235201)

kinda lame this makes fronpage news when more pressing issues in china like pollution during olympic games, human rights abuse and censorship by chineese takes back seat

link is to a parasitic blog instead of the source (4, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235229)

TFSummary links to TFA:
http://www.pclaunches.com/software/olympic_committ ee_chooses_xp_over_vista.php [pclaunches.com]

which just regurgitates the story from
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/080807-vista -wireless-kept-off-core.html [networkworld.com]

Why not link directly to the source instead of some blogger collecting Adsense? Network World has got advertising too, of course, but at least they earned it by doing the work and researching a story instead of just plagiarising it like a Picquepaille.

And for fuck's sake "installing XP on it's machine".
"It's" == "It is". Possessive is "Its".

Not News (1)

daskinil (991205) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235231)

This in today- People wanting a secure server use Ubuntu Dapper Drake instead of Fiesty Fawn. This isn't news, we hear stories of people using XP everyday on slashdot. I used Fiesty Fawn when it came out- it was still buggy as hell, wait for a few service packs, and maybe people will use it (referring to vista not Fiesty Fawn of course) . Just because another OS is better for mission critical apps, doesn't mean its more fun for the user. Otherwise I wouldn't be running KDE4 when it comes out. Which is sure to have at least a few bugs in minor apps for at least a year.

I would add ... (1)

rdrd (1142449) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235357)

... that "XP" is much a better name than "Vista".

For me, vista just rings the bell with the Terminator and stuff ...

setback? (2, Insightful)

Snarkhunter (1056150) | more than 6 years ago | (#20235379)

I fail to see how this is a setback for Microsoft. They still get their license fees from XP (though this is China, you never know). More importantly, any time you see an athlete using a computer, or anyone using a private terminal, won't they be using Vista? I betcha any sponsorship the games get from Microsoft will be branded "sponsored by Microsoft Vista," not "sponsored by Microsoft Vista (but jokes on you guys we're really using XP for our back end stuff here at the games)"

Not again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20235515)

The fan boy stuff is so old already. Wow, they had to chose between 2 products. Both were made by Microsoft. Rough day for MS? I doubt it.
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